TheGoodJoe:


What makes him more complete than Clichy? Does he defend better? No. Does he dribble better? No. Is Trippier faster? No. Does he cross better? No. So what is the complete player?

TheGoodJoe:


Gabriel Jesus is keeping Firmino, a regular forward for Liverpool on the bench in the Brazilian National team. Alli is having an easy ride. Let Nacho keep working hard. Game time will come.

poshemmanuel:


compare nacho under pellegrini and nacho under guardiola, you will see the difference.Guardiola is not improving nacho I really expected much from guardiola to upgrade nacho especially taking on players with ease ,young and agile players like nacho should be doing that
that's the reason his not getting game time because you know nacho does not need many chances to score a goal.if nacho can upgrade on that he will explode like a bomb!

goldfish80:


I see you always make this point about Jesus being ahead of Firmino for Brazil.

Truth is that it has nothing to do with Jesus being better than Firmino but it's just a matter of perception. Brazilians don't consider Firmino high profile enough being that he was not a household name while he played in Brazil.
It has nothing to do with abilities of both players.

I forsee Firmino leading the Brazilian charge in Russia next year ahead of Jesus. Firmino is the better all round player in my opinion.

BascoVanVeli:


Clichy can't get up and down the flanks like he used to. We all know he was a top player but right now he has lost a step or two. Trippier's only problem is that he plays behind Walker but he is a top player, today the coach kept him on with Walker on the field. He has more assists in way less matches than Clichy. Right now i rate him higher.

TheGoodJoe:


Nacho is having difficulty getting playing time. That can not be used as a not improving reason for Nacho.

There are factors against Nacho but there are two most important reasons why Nacho is not playing regularly.

1. Competition of players ahead of Nacho. Aguero who is a Super player and the Brazilian No. 9 player, Gabriel Jesus.

2. Guardiola insisting on a one striker system. Pellegrini played a two strikers system. That was why Iheanacho got chances. That does not mean not improving.

do4luv14:


wait have choose to observe comment since, hav jst been particular about urs , including arguments, one thing i do notice, is that you are always in defence of jst one club, its coach and players,


further more i need you to clarify on KELECHI, is he a STRIKER or an AMF, or SS

TheSuperNerd:
Danny Murphy Backs Victor Moses – He Didn’t Dive, He Was Clever




English Premier League legend Danny Murphy has backed Chelsea wingback Victor Moses following criticism that the Nigerian dived to win a penalty for Chelsea in their 4-2 win over Tottenham Hotspur in the FA Cup semi-final decided at Wembley.

Moses has been roundly criticised by some fans on social media, who are of the opinion that the Nigerian made a meal out of a none existent tackle from Spurs Heung Min Son to win to win the spot kick which put Chelsea 2-1 up.

However former Spurs midfielder who now works as a commentator for the BBC insist that the 26 year old was clever and took advantage of Son’s naivety in sliding into a tackle in his own box.

Murphy called the decision to award the Nigerian a penalty a good call by the referee and even at a time during the game named the Nigerian as his man of the match.

However shortly after the game, he somehow had a change in mind as he gave his man of the match award to Moses’s teammate David Luiz, and also praised two goal hero Willian for his role in the win.


**Michael James

Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/04/22/danny-murphy-backs-victor-moses-he-didnt-dive-he-was-clever/

TheGoodJoe:


I think the best term is a modern day forward. Not striker in the traditional way. The modern day forwards do more than just strike. A good example is Aguero. He plays as a striker but does more for the team than strike. Another is Alexis Sanchez when he is playing as the top man for Arsenal.

TheGoodJoe:

You have not watched Clichy lately. He flies up ad down the flanks with ease.

You rate him higher but that does not mean he is a better player. I listed attributes that makes Clichy better than Trippier. There is no comparison.

TheGoodJoe:


Poor judgment by Danny Murphy. There is absolutely nothing like Moses was clever. It was an awful call. There is no way in this World that dive would have stood if it was video replay technology.


Victor Moses was on his way down before Son contacted him. That was a clear dive.

TheGoodJoe:


That is your problem. Playing better is scoring too goals. It is not. It is more about creating good chances. Some times the goals enters. Some times it does not. We played better in both games. The question is, can you watch the match and judge which team is playing better.

Here is an excerpt of Delph.


“We were the better team by far – by a country mile,” said Delph. “But goals win games and we have not managed to score more than them. We’ve got great attacking players and they have been great all season but we fell short. I’m sure the next games they will be more clinical."

It was after that game that I was raving about how impressive Fabian Delph was. Even though we lost and missed chances, I was impressed with our brilliant play.

TheGoodJoe:


From what I have seen so far, if you want a player who does more for the team when it comes to dropping deep to help build up plays and also help win balls, Gabriel Jesus is ahead.

Although they are similar in style, we can not deny the fluidity of Gabriel Jesus and his ability to interchange passes in midfield.

That is why I see him ahead of Firmino in the National team and he has not done badly.

L iverpool midfielder Roberto Firmino is battling to win over fans back home in Brazil.
Firmino proved the matchwinner at West Brom on Saturday. But he's not as well thought of in his homeland.
South American football expert Tim Vickery told the
BBC's World Football Phone-in : "He's got a problem with the Brazilian public which is that he didn't play for a high-profile, glamourous club before he moved to Europe - he's made his career in Germany.
"Because of the injury to Gabriel Jesus he played for Brazil in the two recent two World Cup qualifiers.
"I think he did very well. He slotted in at centre-forward, was mobile, linked very well with his Liverpool team-mate Philippe Coutinho .
"He's getting some stick from some of the Brazilian pundits.
"I think that is purely and simply because he's not seen as a glamour player.
"He's mobile, he's intelligent, he's got that ability to swivel and play in 360 degrees - but not a high-profile player over here.
"It's someone who needs to keep on doing the business for Liverpool to raise his profile with his home public."

TheGoodJoe:


Gabriel Jesus is keeping Firmino, a regular forward for Liverpool on the bench in the Brazilian National team. Alli is having an easy ride. Let Nacho keep working hard. Game time will come.

jihday:
Don't know why you like mentioning this average player called Firmino like he's one fine striker

goldfish80:


I haven't watched Jesus play for an entire season but from what I saw of him from last year, I don't really think he should be ahead of Firmino.
Firmino's natural position is the no8 or second striker. He did so well in this position at Hoffeinhiem.He even played as am attacking midfielder at times. I wonder how Jesus would be better than him dropping deep given his development at Hoffeinhiem.
Brazilians are very sentimental about their football. That seems to be Firmino's problem.

goldfish80:


I haven't watched Jesus play for an entire season but from what I saw of him from last year, I don't really think he should be ahead of Firmino.
Firmino's natural position is the no8 or second striker. He did so well in this position at Hoffeinhiem.He even played as am attacking midfielder at times. I wonder how Jesus would be better than him dropping deep given his development at Hoffeinhiem.
Brazilians are very sentimental about their football. That seems to be Firmino's problem.

BascoVanVeli:


When u leave ur feet anything can happen. Pure penalty.

TheGoodJoe:


It was from Firmino I used to understand the importance of playing in a fluid pattern. It makes him difficult to mark. If you watch Gabriel Jesus game, you notice he operates in a deeper position than Firmino.

Based on rep, Firmino is ahead but when it comes to fluidity Gabriel Jesus does it better.

Also, Gabriel Jesus can play the Support striking role too.

BascoVanVeli:


Flying where? Out of everything u listed i would agree to only dribbling. Trippier is on the bench because he is behind Walker while Clichy is a starter by default. Will Clichy be a starter for Man city next season?

tbaba1234:


Lionel Messi?

goldfish80:


I see you always make this point about Jesus being ahead of Firmino for Brazil.

Truth is that it has nothing to do with Jesus being better than Firmino but it's just a matter of perception. Brazilians don't consider Firmino high profile enough being that he was not a household name while he played in Brazil.
It has nothing to do with abilities of both players.

I forsee Firmino leading the Brazilian charge in Russia next year ahead of Jesus. Firmino is the better all round player in my opinion.

TheGoodJoe:


The article also pointed about the mobility and link up play of Firmino. That does not need debate. The question is, is Firmino more fluid and does he link up better than Gabriel Jesus. I disagree.

Xzbit91:


Not gonna happen, it's just like saying Defoe will lead the lines ahead of Harry Kane in Russia.

I accept your earlier assertion that Gabriel is chosen ahead of Firmino because he is not high profile enough. But Firmino is not your classic Brazilian no9 plus he is older than Jesus, all this things work against him.

goldfish80:




You can't be mobile and good at link up play without being fluid. Firmino used to play as SS/ATM. You can't play such position without having fluidity in your game.
Jesus is a better box player but Firmino is better outside the box. That's how I judge them

goldfish80:




You can't be mobile and good at link up play without being fluid. Firmino used to play as SS/ATM. You can't play such position without having fluidity in your game.
Jesus is a better box player but Firmino is better outside the box. That's how I judge them

goldfish80:


Firmino is just 25 yrs old. He is no Metusela. The Defoe comparism is way off the mark.

He will be 26 next year. That is the perfect age to lead a charge at the world cup.

goldfish80:




You can't be mobile and good at link up play without being fluid. Firmino used to play as SS/ATM. You can't play such position without having fluidity in your game.
Jesus is a better box player but Firmino is better outside the box. That's how I judge them

Okay guys.... Iheanacho speaks.... and from what I see... He and theGoodJoe are on the same pages exactly.... He is only on one page with me.... and that is working hard and learning But on playing time? well....

Kelechi Iheanacho is struggling to make Manchester City's first team this season

All I need to do is to keep working, keep doing well and keep improving every day -Kelechi Iheanacho
Nigeria and Manchester City striker