Curtisaxel7:


I was smiling all the way till I saw Onuachu at the top. This line up is like a beautiful ultra modern duplex with a thatched roof on top of it.

There is nothing wrong with onauchu on that line up Abeg

andrewbaba44:


We are talking about footballing wise but they keep on mentioning money but they are quick to attack kome when he said championship teams are better due to their financial power

Hope you know as of now west ham is richer than ac millan and Sevilla ,so does that make them a better team than Milan and Sevilla ?

U keep repeating the money aspect but ignore the other 2 I mentioned; fanbase and trophies..


You are joyously twisting everything to look like premier league fans don't know football works ..

U said Atletico is an upgrade on arsenal,I asked you in terms of what? U are now talking about 10 years

if we are comparing both teams based especially on the last 10 years then yes Atletico Madrid is bigger. They have won a league title, a domestic cup and also won european titles. The gunners only have fa cups to her name in this past decade

elyte89:


Abeg help me ask am o

Is it in terms of brand wise?
Trophy wise?
D caliber of players in each team from inception?
Or what?

Danielnino00:

U keep repeating the money aspect but ignore the other 2 I mentioned; fanbase and trophies..


You are joyously twisting everything to look like premier league fans don't know football works ..

U said Atletico is an upgrade on arsenal,I asked you in terms of what? U are now talking about 10 years

I think form over ten years is the best way to reckon a clubs status.

Danielnino00:

U keep repeating the money aspect but ignore the other 2 I mentioned; fanbase and trophies..


You are joyously twisting everything to look like premier league fans don't know football works ..

U said Atletico is an upgrade on arsenal,I asked you in terms of what? U are now talking about 10 years

Oga you know what I am talking about

Atm is better than arsenal as of now ,simple

It terms of performance everywhere they are better than arsenal

If you disagree then ac Milan is better than your club because they have more european glory than you guys

And atm has achieved more in Europe than arsenal so what are you saying ?

Your team didn’t win epl for 30 years ,even arsenal fans self Dey talk say dem better pass you because of that one

chrisooblog:
if we are comparing both teams based especially on the last 10 years then yes Atletico Madrid is bigger. They have won a league title, a domestic cup and also won european titles. The gunners only have fa cups to her name in this past decade

Yes..u might b right..but since inception wise..I dont think ATM is bigger Dan arsenal

tbaba1234:
Okoye
Ebuehi
Zaidu
Ekong
Akpoguma
Agu
Onyeka
Iwobi
Kalu
Chukwueze
Onuachu

That's my starting line up.

Your line up has one glaring problem. Kalu and Chukwueze are inverted wingers. Inverted wingers do not do well at whipping crosses since they would have to do that with their weaker foot. Onuachu can only thrive in a formation that guarantees slower build up and plenty quality high crosses into the box. Those wingers can't give him that.

Kalu and Chukwueze are made for fast counterattacking football with plenty of short passes and freedom to make individual darting runs. We saw that against Ukraine. Starting them alongside a slow clumsy Onuachu will be a clear and comedic mismatch. Like wearing a suit and tie over traditional wrapper.

JohnBullMySon:
I think form over ten years is the best way to reckon a clubs status.

Leave am

We for kuku go rate Aston Villa wey get 2 champions league title say dem better pass arsenal and Chelsea

Curtisaxel7:


Your line up has one glaring problem. Kalu and Chukwueze are inverted wingers. Inverted wingers do not do well at whipping crosses since they would have to do that with their weaker foot. Onuachu can only thrive in a formation that guarantees slower build up and plenty quality high crosses into the box. Those wingers can't give him that.

Kalu and Chukwueze are made for fast counterattacking football with plenty of short passes and freedom to make individual darting runs. We saw that against Ukraine. Starting them alongside a slow clumsy Onuachu will be a clear and comedic mismatch. Like wearing a suit and tie over traditional wrapper.

U self know that the only player that will fit well in that lineup as a 9 is Iheanacho or Deseers .

Why not allow Iheanacho start this one

andrewbaba44:


Leave am

We for kuku go rate Aston Villa wey get 2 champions league title say dem better pass arsenal and Chelsea

Curtisaxel7:


Your line up has one glaring problem. Kalu and Chukwueze are inverted wingers. Inverted wingers do not do well at whipping crosses since they would have to do that with their weaker foot. Onuachu can only thrive in a formation that guarantees slower build up and plenty quality high crosses into the box. Those wingers can't give him that.

Kalu and Chukwueze are made for fast counterattacking football with plenty of short passes and freedom to make individual darting runs. We saw that against Ukraine. Starting them alongside a slow clumsy Onuachu will be a clear and comedic mismatch. Like wearing a suit and tie over traditional wrapper.

I agree with you

andrewbaba44:


Oga you know what I am talking about

Atm is better than arsenal as of now ,simple

It terms of performance everywhere they are better than arsenal

If you disagree then ac Milan is better than your club because they have more european glory than you guys

And atm has achieved more in Europe than arsenal so what are you saying ?

Your team didn’t win epl for 30 years ,even arsenal fans self Dey talk say dem better pass you because of that one

You keep saying AC Milan has more trophies than Liverpool...how is that possible?
AC Milan-48
Liverpool -65

What's your point exactly?

I want all players invited used in these 2 friendlies

I need at least 45 mins each from them


Waiting eagerly.

andrewbaba44:


Leave am

We for kuku go rate Aston Villa wey get 2 champions league title say dem better pass arsenal and Chelsea

You are still confused..
At first you accused me of using trophies to judge,now you are limiting it to champions league

I already gave you specific criterias to support my argument.
1) Trophies won
2) Fanbase
3) Value and net worth
4) Caliber of ex players to have played for both club..

What's your own criteria?
Is it champions league trophies or the last 10 years performance?

Curtisaxel7:


Your line up has one glaring problem. Kalu and Chukwueze are inverted wingers. Inverted wingers do not do well at whipping crosses since they would have to do that with their weaker foot. Onuachu can only thrive in a formation that guarantees slower build up and plenty quality high crosses into the box. Those wingers can't give him that.

Kalu and Chukwueze are made for fast counterattacking football with plenty of short passes and freedom to make individual darting runs. We saw that against Ukraine. Starting them alongside a slow clumsy Onuachu will be a clear and comedic mismatch. Like wearing a suit and tie over traditional wrapper.

Just one question, por favor. Do you watch him at Genk?

Danielnino00:


You keep saying AC Milan has more trophies than Liverpool...how is that possible?
AC Milan-48
Liverpool -65

What's your point exactly?

You are not playing in the same league

In Europe where you both played together they have more champions league than you so they are better oga

Arsenal is better than Atm And ac Millan is better than Liverpool

Since no be by who perform for the past 10 years nah

Danielnino00:


You are still confused..
At first you accused me of using trophies to judge,now you are limiting it to champions league

I already gave you specific criterias to support my argument.
1) Trophies won
2) Fanbase
3) Value and net worth
4) Caliber of ex players to have played for both club..

What's your own criteria?
Is it champions league trophies or the last 10 years performance?

No bro you are the confuse one here

You think fan base is only by the people you se in naija beer parlour ?

But better legends has played for ac Milan more than Liverpool yet they aren’t better than you

Remove money when you argue about football

andrewbaba44:


No bro you are the confuse one here

You think fan base is only by the people you se in naija beer parlour ?

But better legends has played for ac Milan more than Liverpool yet they aren’t better than you

Remove money when you argue about football

andrewbaba44:


You are not playing in the same league

In Europe where you both played together they have more champions league than you so they are better oga

Arsenal is better than Atm And ac Millan is better than Liverpool

Since no be by who perform for the past 10 years nah

I will repeat my question;

What criteria are you using to arrive at these conclusions of which club is bigger than which?

Danielnino00:




I will repeat my question;

What criteria are you using to arrive at these conclusions of which club is bigger than which?

Who is doing well at the moment and who won important trophies at the moment

Performance wise and not past glories

Atm is better than arsenal

Simple

andrewbaba44:


Who is doing well at the moment and who won important trophies at the moment

Performance wise and not past glories

Atm is better than arsenal

Simple

You have just been derailing unnecessarily...
Pele...

Danielnino00:


You have just been derailing unnecessarily...
Pele...

And you have been arguing blindly

Kpele too

andrewbaba44:


Koke plays for ATM bro and is Better then Saul and partey ,but partey is better than Saul

Thomas partey is not even earning 50k weekly at atm so what are you saying ?

He should be earning 80 to 100k now at arsenal ,I will check sha

he will earn 260k

Curtisaxel7:


Your line up has one glaring problem. Kalu and Chukwueze are inverted wingers. Inverted wingers do not do well at whipping crosses since they would have to do that with their weaker foot. Onuachu can only thrive in a formation that guarantees slower build up and plenty quality high crosses into the box. Those wingers can't give him that.

Kalu and Chukwueze are made for fast counterattacking football with plenty of short passes and freedom to make individual darting runs. We saw that against Ukraine. Starting them alongside a slow clumsy Onuachu will be a clear and comedic mismatch. Like wearing a suit and tie over traditional wrapper.

Exactly, Onuachu would stifle the team's flow. That's my only grouse with the line up even though I agree with his choice in other positions.

mostob:
he will earn 260k

Okay bro got ya

Was just guesting jare

I suggested 100k because arsenal no Dey pay like Chelsea or man city

JohnBullMySon:
Judging from your logic, ac milan is better than man city and Liverpool. Also inter is better than Chelsea.

The context isn’t better but bigger

Currently PSG is better than Chelsea but can you say they are bigger than Chelsea, hell NO

junnyjake:



Exactly, Onuachu would stifle the team's flow. That's my only grouse with the line up even though I agree with his choice in other positions.

How do you know onauchu will still the team flow ?

How many eagles match have you watch him play ?

Another player might stiff the team play but you guys will always make onauchu your scape goat

Neobulletzz:

The context isn’t better but bigger

Currently PSG is better than Chelsea but can you say they are bigger than Chelsea, hell NO

Okay maybe I should have said better concerning arsenal and atm right ?

But Chelsea is a new club nah ,no be 2004 una begin win trophies ?

This is exactly the argument that was next in line after Partey joined Arsenal. With the number of Arsenal fans on this thread, it was inevitable that the Partey-Ndidi comparison was gonna arise again.

But I was ready. And I kept enough receipts for an attempt at a balanced analysis.


Number 1: A Fallacy - Partey is a better player than Ndidi.

I am sorry, Partey is not a better player than Ndidi. And the Stats ratings shown below (apart from how long I have watched and seen both players) from whoscored for the past four seasons support this stance.

Partey is majorly a CM with much versatile qualities but that doesn't make him better. He is a CM afterall. And his passing accuracy is expectedly meant to be higher than that of DM in Ndidi (unless the DM in question is a Regista/DLP).

Ndidi is a DM. Also referred as a CDM (central defensive midfielder) whose role is basically to sit at the Midfield's base as the team's midfield Anchorman. Partey's role is a little different. He is a CM with the licence and abilities to get forward as he wills like a Box-to-box kind.

If there is anyone in the Super Eagles fold to compare partey directly to it would be Joe Aribo. Both are very similar kind of players and can play DM, CM and AM but are basically CMs with box-to-box qualities.

In their roles, both are World class performers but I can tell you for free that while Partey has been quite rated for a while due to his constant appearance in the UCL with Atletico Madrid, it is Ndidi who has been showing better improvements in the past two seasons compared to Partey (My next fallacy point will address one of the improvement areas - Passing).

Also, in Defensive actions alone, Partey has very decent numbers but he is no where close to the monstrosity of Ndidi's numbers in defensive actions. Ndidi led the whole of Europe (or was in top2/top3 on a few) in several defensive action stats and some others from Tackling, to interceptions per 90, to blocks, to counter pressures, to counter pressures turned immediately into an attack and more. So the comment that Partey does all that Ndidi does and more is fallacious. Partey only does it to a certain percentage but Ndidi does it at World class levels. That is the big difference. Partey only passes more, is more forward playing and that is it. He is a Bloody CM Naa.


Now on this point, the summary is this...VERSATILITY DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN BETTER. Afterall, if it is otherwise and Versatility always mean better then Etebo can also be said to be much better than both Partey and Ndidi. Etebo also gives prpgressive passes forward and his numbers at Gala are already racking up strongly. At the WC, Etebo has more take ons in one game against the WC finalists, Croatia than any other midfielder. Can Partey dream of such? Etebo's tackles rate is also up there... His interceptions game is also good and none of these two guys touch him on take-ons. Does that make him better? Versatility doesn't always mean better my good folks.

Bonus: Even as controversial as EA sports ratings can be sometimes, Ndidi has caught up with Partey as both players are now given the same Overall rating with 84 each.

In FIFA 19, Partey was 82. Ndidi was 81. In FIFA 20, partey was 84. Ndidi came up to 84 also. In FIFA 21, both remain on 84 with Ndidi having a potential cap of 88. Partey's 87.







Number 2: The passing stats. Partey or Ndidi. Who passes better?

On the overall, like I stated above, Partey is expected to having the better passing stats. And the whoscored ratings below prove that Partey has been the better ball passer in terms of Passing accuracy.

Even when I break the passing stats further down using Squawka stats matrix, you will find that Partey still edges it overall. Partey is definitely the more progressive passer of the two. No debates on that one.

But I have to point out something. Partey have always beaten Ndidi when it comes to Passing accuracy and for me, that is no surprise seeing as both are slightly different breeds of midfielders with actually different roles BUT JUST LAST SEASON, NDIDI HAD THE BETTER PASSING ACCURACY compared to Partey. Now that is shocking and true.

This again supports my statement that between the two, Ndidi is the one who has shown better improvements geometrically. "Out-passing" a ball-playing CM while still in your DM role (and you are no bloody Regista) mehn, that is something to take note of and keep a serious eye on. Ndidi's passing game has definitely made a quantum leap under Rodgers at Leicester in the past one year plus and the argument of Partey being a better passer will only hold now based on their previous seasons before 2019/2020.

With that said, Partey still made more passes in the Opposition half last season (770 in all) compared to Ndidi's 692.
In their own half, Ndidi made more (729) compared to Partey's 600.
Last season also, Partey delivered more throughballs (6) into the final third compared to Ndidi's 2.


So yes, Partey is the more progressive passer of the two but Ndidi has shown improvements in those progressing passing stats too as his numbers tell.

But when it comes to overall passing accuracy, Ndidi edged Partey for the first time, last season. That shows Ndidi really made crazy improvement in his passing game.




Number 3: The final point. Ndidi's Worth and Partey's Worth

You guys should be honest. If Ndidi had a release clause set at maybe 50M pounds, do you think some big club would not have come asking strong questions about the Midfield Anchorman?

But as it stands, there is no release clause on Ndidi so he could cost even higher. He has "a little arguably" been the Best DM in the EPL for the past three seasons and since his debut in the 2016/2017 campaign (from January 2017 even) he has been racking up numbers that only scream World class in that DM role. Numbers that absolutely define that DM role. So how much do you think he is gonna cost? Remember he is not coming from another league... He has been racking up those numbers in England. So that makes him even more valuable on the market for EPL clubs.


Partey had a release clause and to be honest, has Arsenal gotten Hossem Aouar, they won't have bothered with Partey this window. That is the truth. Arsenal fans in the house know this is true. Arsenal only went to activate Partey's clause that late b'cos they finally saw that they won't be getting Aouar this window. So they went for the guy they always considered their next midfield priority after Aouar.

If Arsenal wanted Partey that badly, why didn't they activate the clause a little sooner? Why wait till deadline day? It is b'cos Aouar was their top priority and not Partey. And 45M for Partey to make up on missing out on Aouar was a fair price to pay for the board to make to appease Arsenal fans and to make Mikel Arteta much happier with his current squad going forward.

If Andrewbaba44 can recall, I made a prediction on Leicester's next transfer big money sale some time ago before 2019/2020 season began or so... I mentioned Ben Chillwell, Maddison and Ndidi as the next guys that will bring in Huge cash for Leicester in the coming seasons.

So far so good, Chillwell has brought in 50M pounds for Leicester. Just like I predicted and we all know Ndidi will cost a little more than Chillwell. I understand Chillwell is English and has that "English factor" going for him hence his price tag but Ndidi has been the man in the EPL with crazy DM numbers and the whole of England knows that. So there is absolutely no way he won't go for more than his Transfermrkt.com value price currently put at 45M euros.

Ndidi will easily cost more than Partey. He is younger. And also a world class performer. So that is it.


In conclusion, Arsenal got a really fine player in Partey. And I say Congratulations... But I won't accept the fallacy that he is a much better player than Ndidi when Whoscored and even Sofascore say otherwise three times out of the past four seasons.

Good day to you all.

andrewbaba44:


True facts

Some people self go argue that Chelsea own

Chelsea try sha

You shall no like Chelsea

andrewbaba44:


There is no much selection headche at the defence bro

If all step up... There's gonna be o.

Neobulletzz:

You shall no like Chelsea

Baba forget me I Dey sabi talk true

You say I no like Chelsea but if una play man you I go support una

Bia be careful there

TheSuperNerd:
This is exactly the argument was next in line after Partey joined Arsenal. With the number of Arsenal fans on this thread, it was inevitable that the Partey-Ndidi comparison was gonna arise again.

But I was ready. And I kept enough receipts for an attempt at a balanced analysis.


Number 1: A Fallacy - Partey is a better player than Ndidi.

I am sorry, Partey is not a better player than Ndidi. And the Stats ratings shown below (apart from how long I have watched and seen both players) from whoscored for the past four seasons support this stance.

Partey is majorly a CM with much versatile qualities but that doesn't make him better. He is a CM afterall. And his passing accuracy is expectedly meant to be higher than that of DM in Ndidi (unless the DM in question is a Regista/DLP).

Ndidi is a DM. Also referred as a CDM (central defensive midfielder) whose role is basically to sit at the Midfield's base as the team's midfield Anchorman. Partey's role is a little different. He is a CM with the licence and abilities to get forward as he wills like a Box-to-box kind.

If there is anyone in the Super Eagles fold to compare partey directly to it would be Joe Aribo. Both are very similar kind of players and can play DM, CM and AM but are basically CMs with box-to-box qualities.

In their roles, both are World class performers but I can tell you for free that while Partey has been quite rated for a while due to his constant appearance in the UCL with Atletico Madrid, it is Ndidi who has been showing better improvements in the past two seasons compared to Partey (My next fallacy point will address one of the improvement areas - Passing).

Also, in Defensive actions alone, Partey has very decent numbers but he is no where close to the monstrosity of Ndidi's numbers in defensive actions. Ndidi led the whole of Europe (or was in top2/top3 on a few) in several defensive action stats and some others from Tackling, to interceptions per 90, to blocks, to counter pressures, to counter pressures turned immediately into an attack and more. So the comment that Partey does all that Ndidi does and more is fallacious. Partey only does it to a certain percentage but Ndidi does it at World class levels. That is the big difference. Partey only passes more, is more forward playing and that is it. He is a Bloody CM Naa.


Now on this point, the summary is this...VERSATILITY DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN BETTER. Afterall, if it is otherwise and Versatility always mean better then Etebo can also be said to be much better than both Partey and Ndidi. Etebo also gives prpgressive passes forward and his numbers at Gala are already racking up strongly. At the WC, Etebo has more take ons in one game against the WC finalists, Croatia than any other midfielder. Can Partey dream of such? Etebo's tackles rate is also up there... His interceptions game is also good and none of these two guys touch him on take-ons. Does that make him better? Versatility doesn't always mean better my good folks.

Bonus: Even as controversial as EA sports ratings can be sometimes, Ndidi has caught up with Partey as both players are now given the same Overall rating with 84 each.

In FIFA 19, Partey was 82. Ndidi was 81. In FIFA 20, partey was 84. Ndidi came up to 84 also. In FIFA 21, both remain on 84 with Ndidi having a potential cap of 88. Partey's 87.







Number 2: The passing stats. Partey or Ndidi. Who passes better?

On the overall, like I stated above, Partey is expected to having the better passing stats. And the whoscored ratings below prove that Partey has been the better ball passer in terms of Passing accuracy.

Even when I break the passing stats further down using Squawka stats matrix, you will find that Partey still edges it overall. Partey is definitely the more progressive passer of the two. No debates on that one.

But I have to point out something. Partey have always beaten Ndidi when it comes to Passing accuracy and for me, that is no surprise seeing as both are slightly different breeds of midfielders with actually different roles BUT JUST LAST SEASON, NDIDI HAD THE BETTER PASSING ACCURACY compared to Partey. Now that is shocking and true.

This again supports my statement that between the two, Ndidi is the one who has shown better improvements geometrically. "Out-passing" a ball-playing CM while still in your DM role (and you are no bloody Regista) mehn, that is something to take note of and keep a serious eye on. Ndidi's passing game has definitely made a quantum leap under Rodgers at Leicester in the past one year plus and the argument of Partey being a better passer will only hold now based on their previous seasons before 2019/2020.

With that said, Partey still made more passes in the Opposition half last season (770 in all) compared to Ndidi's 692.
In their own half, Ndidi made more (729) compared to Partey's 600.
Last season also, Partey delivered more throughballs (6) into the final third compared to Ndidi's 2.


So yes, Partey is the more progressive passer of the two but Ndidi has shown improvements in those progressing passing stats too as his numbers tell.

But when it comes to overall passing accuracy, Ndidi edged Partey for the first time, last season. That shows Ndidi really made crazy improvement in his passing game.




Number 3: The final point. Ndidi's Worth and Partey's Worth

You guys should be honest. If Ndidi had a release clause set at maybe 50M pounds, do you think some big club would not have come asking strong questions about the Midfield Anchorman?

But as it stands, there is no release clause on Ndidi so he could cost even higher. He has "a little arguably" been the Best DM in the EPL for the past three seasons and since his debut in the 2016/2017 campaign (from January 2017 even) he has been racking up numbers that only scream World class in that DM role. Numbers that absolutely define that DM role. So how much do you think he is gonna cost? Remember he is not coming from another league... He has been racking up those numbers in England. So that makes him even more valuable on the market for EPL clubs.


Partey had a release clause and to be honest, has Arsenal gotten Hossem Aouar, they won't have bothered with Partey this window. That is the truth. Arsenal fans in the house know this is true. Arsenal only went to activate Partey's clause that late b'cos they finally saw that they won't be getting Aouar this window. So they went for the guy they always considered their next midfield priority after Aouar.

If Arsenal wanted Partey that badly, why didn't they activate the clause a little sooner? Why wait till deadline day? It is b'cos Aouar was their top priority and not Partey. And 45M for Partey to make up on missing out on Aouar was a fair price to pay for the board to make to appease Arsenal fans and to make Mikel Arteta much happier with his current squad going forward.

If Andrewbaba44 can recall, I made a prediction on Leicester's next transfer big money sale some time ago before 2019/2020 season began or so... I mentioned Ben Chillwell, Maddison and Ndidi as the next guys that will bring in Huge cash for Leicester in the coming seasons.

So far so good, Chillwell has brought in 50M pounds for Leicester. Just like I predicted and we all know Ndidi will cost a little more than Chillwell. I understand Chillwell is English and has that "English factor" going for him hence his price tag but Ndidi has been the man in the EPL with crazy DM numbers and the whole of England knows that. So there is absolutely no way he won't go for more than his Transfermrkt.com value price currently put at 45M euros.

Ndidi will easily cost more than Partey. He is younger. And also a world class performer. So that is it.


In conclusion, Arsenal got a really fine player in Partey. And I say Congratulations... But I won't accept the fallacy that he is a much better player than Ndidi when Whoscored and even Sofascore say otherwise three times out of the past four seasons.

Good day to you all.

Nerdy I can recall as it was just like yesterday

Chai this your post long sha ,will go through it later