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Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Ezemust: 5:34pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
ethnicity. watching the match in the northern part of Nigeria was an unforgettable experience. the northerners complained of mergnalisation.they said Siasia should be sacked for fielding only three Hausa players. they don't care about team performance. Siasia is Wise enough not to field a BIAFRAN TEAM |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by DeanSim: 5:39pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
chrisooblog: Your thought is rich |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Goke7: 5:42pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
safarigirl:You are just being emotional like most Nigerians, if siasia had won, this is not what we will be hearing. Our coaches keep getting the boot despite their bravery in circumstances. I will pick siasia anytime over a chicken livered oliseh. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Goke7: 5:47pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
TaiKuun: Let the bashing of our coaches go on cos that's the way we move on in Nigeria. Kudos. Waiting for the magical coach of Nigerian football |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 5:52pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: Tough decisions create stability for the long run. Sadly most people like quick fixes. Please google Edmundo of Brazil and report back to me. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:54pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
I'm sorry Sir. I'm no errand boy. My points are well placed. If you're not satisfied then let it be.... Ciao. jayriginal: |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by AikayDaWrapper(m): 5:54pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
I agree with almost everything here but please don't say Nigeria have more talent than England. None of our keepers are up to Hart or butland Our defence doesn't compare to clyne, smelling, stones, Shaw, jagielka, or Cahill No one in our team will hold midfield like Dier, or are as creative as Barkley, alli, Wilshire, None of our attackers are as good as sturridge, Kane, Sterling, or vardy. So please be realistic. There's talent in this team but guys like Iwobi and Ihenacho are not yet ready to carry the hopes of a nation. And our midfield and defense are wack. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 6:00pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Forget the EPL.... England's true worth will be seen at the Euros in France. And yes, we have more and better talents than England. The gap Is too wide sef..... If not, why do they poach away our players? Why do they drag Nigerian players with Nigeria? England more talented?? Taaa!!!! That's a huge fallacy. AikayDaWrapper: |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 6:01pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: As you wish. Far be it from me to pull you out from where you wallow. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 6:02pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
safarigirl: And you sitting at home know better? Captain Hindsight. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Raziii(m): 6:07pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
With the players we have now and those coming up... We should be entering into a new golden generation in football like Belgium are in right now, like spain did some years back. My worry is, do we have the right coaches and administrators to make that happen Your guess is as good as mine! |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 6:16pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
@Bolded... Now this, I endorse.... #smiles Gosh!! I'm really tired of talking. chrisooblog: |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Kgdavid(m): 6:25pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Safarigirl, it is crystal clear that Nigeria lacks We have defenders who cannot play an offside trap and look frighteningly bad each time our opponents have a corner or free kick. I shudder at times when i watch the national team play. Yes it is not easy but please it is also not that hard. A british pundit once said that working with international players is very easy because whereas with domestic players (worldwide) you will need to tell them what to do and them show them how to do it, with international players all you have to do is tell them what to do and they know how to execute it. In the Super Eagles of today what i see is a team chock full of footballers who do not really know their right from their left. It was quite shameful during the 2014 world cup (at the confederations cup maybe) when some tv channel conducted an interview and their journalist was asking our payers if they were going to work on their ball control as one of the areas needed for improvement. Let's face the facts... even the player that most Nigerians would readily point to as the star man of the midfield, Ogenyi Onazi, is in real terms a mere hardman-type player on the european stage, with no real technical skills at all. Just look at a player like Ogenekaro Etebo as a case study: Physicality: Grade A Long passing: Zero Short Passing: average Shooting: abbysmal Dribbling: little to non existent How can such a player with only physicality as his exceptional trait, even be in the Nigerian national team?? Sorry for those this rant will offend, i don't mean to rubbish our boys but hey truth be told these guys are not very good. At all. 1 Like |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by petkoffdrake2(m): 6:39pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
safarigirl: OMG! .... Babe u just post EXACTLY what's in my mind I swear! I wish ur here with me... Could've given u kiss of life... As in we'll break d world record of " The most Longest kiss" Lol |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by fiftynaira(m): 8:03pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
No the problem is that we had 3 moses Victor moses Simon moses ahmed (musa) moses Egypt only know but one moses. I think is high time we need to scout for players like judas who's less busy! |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by safarigirl(f): 8:27pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
jayriginal:it is foolhardy to assume that people at home do not know better because they are at home. Call me whenever NFF are willing to hire a 21-year old, female undergraduate to coach the National team. I already expressed intention to get a Coaching certificate, in a matter of years, I may not be sitting at home like you have so ignorantly stated like the shallow person you must be. Never despise the days of little beginning, even the Siasia you glorify and applaud was once sitting at home. 1 Like |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by safarigirl(f): 8:30pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
AikayDaWrapper:we have better upcoming talent. I'm talking of guys that will be playing when Butland and Hart have retired. Cahill and co don't even fall under that list. I maintain, we have better talent than England, quote me wherever |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by safarigirl(f): 8:33pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Goke7:when has Siasia ever won? Failed twice and you still rate him. So that he'll fully be instated and fail fully, then you'll come here and forget your allegiance in a long epistle. Been there done that, refuse to go down that lane with naija coaches again. Ain't rooting for none of em |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by dijon: 9:44pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Am highly impress with this discus, but I think the local coaches have lost the plot...They are good I must confess because I saw new super eagle in the last two matches handled by Sia1 and his colleagues, but can local coaches relieve themselves from nepotism and favouritism? Sia1 and his colleagues team selection was a disaster... can't believe a coach would sit down for a whole 45 mins and be blind to what non coaches sees in his team ( no creativity in the final third half of the Egyptians) no shot at goal for a team looking for a win and not do the needful. The bottom line is Amaju and his executive members should resign and Nigeria employ a very intelligent and experience foreign coach who will be devoid of sentiment in team selection, tactically sound and above parochial sentiment that is part of the norm of our local coaches. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 10:01pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
safarigirl:It's even more foolhardy to assume that that is my position. The question was and is, you at home, do you know better? I'd actually hire you if you demonstrated competence, your gender or age notwithstanding. Don't assume. I'm glad to hear that and I encourage you to go for it. I hope you will save or bookmark this thread for posterity. Perhaps we can talk about this in the future when you would have done some actual coaching.
The shallow person here is you. You can't even control your emotions but you want to manage people. You were one of those to cuss Oliseh out for the way he treated Enyeama. You must first get a hold of yourself before you can command respect from others. That's what leadership is about. I did not ignorantly state that you are sitting at home, even your response bears me witness. You're calling me shallow like that means anything to me. Leadership is not easy. Whether political, religious, sports etc. Managing real human beings with egos isn't beans. It's not the FIFA / Championship manager that you're playing (let me assume like you too ). Siasia is a gold medalist, same as Keshi, and Oliseh. What have you won? Leadership involves tough decisions. Why did Fergie sell Jaap Stam. Why did he sell Beckham? Ruud? For each of those decisions, ManU were affected adversely but they bounced back each time. Sometimes it took more than a season to recover. I was explaining to one young un on this thread that players are played or benched for a variety of reasons. I even asked him to look up Edmundo of Brazil but he refused. If you don't understand the human factor, it's probably because you've never been in a position of leadership before. Anyone who has been there can translate his/her experience to other field. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by safarigirl(f): 10:05pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
jayriginal:you who said we have no talent? I may not know much, but I surely know more than you. Just noticed the moniker, have a good night 1 Like |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by Mayor101010(m): 10:16pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
A player like Mikel Obi should no longer be in the starting 11... As a footballer and as a no 10 He is too limited. A player who can dictate play and can transit the ball from deep to d attackers with a faster tempo should be intrgrated (e.g Kelechi Nwakali). This team lacks a creative mind in the midfield. We also need a combative and energetic box--box player that can join the attack when necessary, help out in defence and also capable of chiping in some few goals( Where Is Sunday Mba?). |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 10:28pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
safarigirl: Depends on what you define as talent. It's a relative thing and if you don't know that, then you definitely know less than you think you do. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Good night too. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 10:40pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Children who know nothing about football will be talking of talent . LMAO! The old guard that opened the doors to Europe are the ones they want to pour scorn on. Nigerian players were playing in the best leagues in the world and getting first shirt. Many of these kids can't tell which country Aisec Mimosa is based in without recourse to google. They probably don't even know Ahl Ahly. If you ask them to tell you the meaning of 3SC they will be moping. Ask them of BCC lions of Gboko, they don't know. But they are here doing arm chair coach and criticizing their superiors when they have never even been class monitors before. Think it's easy to lead human beings? How many Nigerian professionals are playing in top leagues, for top teams and getting regular first team opportunities? When you can answer that, we can talk about talent. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:14pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
#smiles Sir, I'm afraid you assume way too much. But you're right about this.... I'm a youngster. #smiles I didn't want to go down the "Edmundo line" because I saw no direct correlation of "that" to what we were discussing. Then you "assumed" I don't know who Edmundo is. Hahahaha.... #smiles I started following soccer as a 7 year old in 1999 but you'll be surprised at how much a younsgter born in the 90s can know about soccer from as far back as 1954. #smiles Tell you what, you sound like a "legend" of the game, you could register your presence on trending national team threads in the Sports section. Will be kinda fun. #smiles And uhmm... All those Clubsides in "bold", I know them all (from Asec Mimosas of Cote d'ivoire to Al-Ahly of Egypt all the way to BCC Lions, Leventis Utd led by John Mastouroudes, Stationery Stores and the likes....... Not forgetting Zamalek of Egypt-Al-Ahly's eternal rivals, and even TP Mazembe and all). #smiles The first question in bold is a rhetoric..... Of course it's not easy. I'm many things right now going by my rising profile (unknown to many here and for good reasons) and I've been privileged and I'm still privileged to lead individuals even older than I am. I'm currently in my 20s (did my 24th birthday couple of days back). Most times, I try to hide away from leadership but it keeps coming my way and I know I have to do things right and seek advice where I'm limited. For the fact that leadership isn't easy or that I'm a youngster (as with other youngsters here) trying to make a point about our "Heroes of Nigerian football" or because I'm no ex-international is no excuse for anyone to go on and fail and then turn around and stop me from saying, "but you could have done better". Look Sir, it's true a lot of people on NL and other platforms don't know "jack" about soccer and it's history in Nigeria, Africa and the world and it's true some of us dropping comments are "young' uns"...... #smiles .........But you do not do well to place us all into "one box" Some of us are very very knowledgeable and super passionate (not hooligans) about the game of football despite our different backgrounds and central fields of interests on planet earth. I personally have done a lot of history digging, studies and researches on soccer and some other sports. So please, don't see our young age as reasons to shut us up or look down on us. It's not fair. It's dangerous to use the general stereotype of many to also judge a few. It's so not cool classifying all youngsters as clueless. @last bolded question: I did that to show that I saw the question. But I think I've said enough for one night. Maybe some other time.... #smiles Goodnight Sir. jayriginal: |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by forgiveness: 11:40pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
jayriginal: So, what are you saying? Stick with local coaches or get a foreign coach? |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by daveP(m): 12:17am On Mar 31, 2016 |
Dunno where to even begin, but lemme start with tactics... These players need more lessons on ball control, Swift turning, blind passing, positional availability by running into pocket of spaces(iwobi is very good at this), one-two passing, SET PIECES!!! The last is one of our weaknesses in two decades. Fear of disappointing is evident in their play that night in Alexandria. nobody wants to be a scapegoat to 170million fans. Pirlo, Ronaldo, Sanchez, (direct free kick takers) Ozil, Iniesta, Gotze(indirect) all these guys practiced an average of 3hours just to have something to make their teams have an edge anyday. Sacrifice I would pick a good free kick taker who barely offers much during play over one who can pass and run but can't frighten defenses, goalies with free kicks! 2 Likes |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 1:27am On Mar 31, 2016 |
forgiveness: Either. I want the best for the team but if we are getting a foreign coach then at least get a good one. We keep getting unknowns and paying them much bigger salaries than we pay our own coaches only for them to fumble in the end. We need a long term plan of development. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jotey(m): 1:39am On Mar 31, 2016 |
AikayDaWrapper:alli and Barkley are they not Nigerians? |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by jayriginal: 1:48am On Mar 31, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: Congratulations on your birthday. Yes, criticism is allowed as long as its fair and constructive. Even World Cup winning teams are criticised. After a while of tiki taka some people started calling Barcas play boring. Now Edmundo is relevant because he was a terrific player and even with all that Brazilian talent, he merited a spot in the squad. However he wasn't even selected because of his erratic behavior. The coach was vilified but ended up winning the World Cup. Who knows what they might have said if they didn't win. You're a manager and you have a star player who is always flouting camp rules. How do you discipline him? You could fine him, but he could continue perhaps he might not even pay. Meanwhile he is affecting team morale as other players feel they can follow suit or start grumbling about preferential treatment. How do you handle the situation? Mourinho was able to handle just about every player he ran into until he met Super Mario. In my opinion Wenger doesn't handle his players properly and that's why Arsenal is the way they are. Moyes was advised to leave Fergie back room staff in place but he preferred to bring in his own. My friend thinks that's a mistake and maybe it was but I think otherwise. He wanted to be his own man and he took a decision. That's what this is about, taking decisions. Then back to the talent thing, seriously my last question refers. All said and done, you're quite mature for your age and I commend you for keeping the discussion civil. Perhaps I might have been harsh earlier, even to the lady and I apologize for that. It's certainly not my intention to offend either of you, just to get my points across. |
Re: The True Problem With The National Team by forgiveness: 7:24am On Mar 31, 2016 |
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Re: The True Problem With The National Team by forgiveness: 7:25am On Mar 31, 2016 |
jayriginal: Which local coach or foreign coach do you recommend? |
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