Somguy:
LMAO @





By all indications, Somalis will have outperformed the AA's within 1 generation just like every other group has done in the past. We have a higher rate of entrepreneurship, control our own wealth and are not preyed upon by outsiders who extract money out of our community. In Columbus alone we have established 400+ small businesses, including malls, we have our own banking /money transferring system, etc.. We've achieved that much in the span of 10-15 years. We have our own grocery shops, butchers, clothing shops etc.. Meanwhile, you guys rely on Arabs, Koreans, Indians etc to provide you with the most basic necessities. These people are literally sucking money out of your neighborhoods and ensuring that you never get ahead in life.

From 2002 to 2007, the number of black-owned businesses increased by 60.5 percent to 1.9 million, more than triple the national rate of 18.0 percent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's Survey of Business Owners. Over the same period, receipts generated by black-owned businesses increased 55.1 percent to $137.5 billion.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/business_ownership/cb11-24.html

And please, do tell how many somali-owned FDIC chartered banks are there in the US, because after scouring the internet I can't seem to find one. Whereas there are a total 21 African-american owned FDIC chartered banks.
https://hbcumoney.com/2013/03/01/2013s-african-american-owned-bank-directory/

And just for shits and giggles. This one private equity investor has more in assets than your entire nations gdp.

Funny thing is that immigrants tend to perform better than natives across the board, not just with black people, and not even just in America, but in other "western nations" like the UK, Canada, and Australia. So I really don't understand where all of the hoopla about "zomg teh emmigrents R dooing bettur than tah black-muricans!!! hur dur" is coming from, as if this phenomenon isn't universal.
https://www.rt.com/news/immigrants-jobs-native-brits-049/
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7723

[img]http://www.somalispot.com/attachments/350px-higher_education_in_the_us_by_race-svg-png.3538/[/img]

Lol seems like I struck a nerve. Nice essay. How dumb does one have to be to compare Khat abuse to the crack epidemic that's plaguing inner city neighbourhoods all over America.

Khat:

The plant’s effects have been compared to strong coffee, a less addictive cocaine, and (of course) green tea; “mild euphoria and excitement” are the desired outcomes. Generally, khat is consumed fresh because the strongest chemical – cathinone, a schedule I drug in the U.S. as of 1993 – breaks down within 48 hours, leaving only the milder cathine behind. It is, however, sometimes dried and served as tea.


http://modernfarmer.com/2014/07/everything-need-know-khat/

As for crack:

http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/crackcocaine/effects-of-crack-cocaine.html

Needless to say, people don't prostitute themselves or sell their pre-teen daughters for Khat. There is no comparison dude and you know it.

Like I said, Somalis are a very recent refugee group in the West. The very fact that we are even in the same discussion says a lot more about your people than mine. What have you achieved in your 400+ years in America? You're over-represented in crime statistics, HIV prevalence, prostitution and drug abuse are rampant, you don't even control your own wealth etc.. You've failed on every level of society except when it comes to entertaining these white folks as glorified clowns and court jesters. You've had 400+ years to make something of yourselves yet every single immigrant community manages to surpass within 1 generation - all the indications are there that even the Somalis will surpass you in the very near future. For one, we control our own wealth and are good at community building. We do not rely on Arabs, Koreans and Indians to supply us with the most basic necessities. If a group of recently arrived refugees, most of whom are illiterate, can compete with you in your own home, then the future looks very bleak for you, my friend.

Now let's address some of your claims:

The US-Somalis in America: A Horror Story of Crime, Violence, and Now Terrorism
http://newobserveronline.com/somalis-in-america-a-horror-story-of-crime-violence-and-now-terrorism/

This is from a far-right extremist website. That alone is enough to discredit its validity. Here is what the same site says about your people:

http://newobserveronline.com/all-failing-schools-in-alabama-are-black/
http://newobserveronline.com/new-orleans-black-criminals-overrun-public-defenders/
http://newobserveronline.com/blackest-schools-have-worst-academics-new-official-us-statistics-show/

As for HIV, none of the reports that you quoted even mention Somalia or Somalis, you deceptive little freak. Let's look at the numbers for your community:


"Blacks/African Americansa have the most severe burden of HIV of all racial/ethnic groups in the United States. Compared with other races and ethnicities, African Americans account for a higher proportion of new HIV diagnoses, those living with HIV, and those ever diagnosed with AIDS.

In 2014, 44% (19,540) of estimated new HIV diagnoses in the United States were among African Americans, who comprise 12% of the US population.

In 2014, an estimated 48% (10,045) of those diagnosed with AIDS in the United States were African Americans. By the end of 2014, 42% (504,354) of those ever diagnosed with AIDS were African Americans.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/racialethnic/africanamericans/

Meanwhile in Somalia, the prevalence rate is not even 1%. It's closer to 0,5% on average. That's about the same as countries like Argentina and Belgium. Somalia has one of the lowest prevalence rates anywhere in the world.

"The recent round of HIV estimates approximates the number of people living with HIV in 2014 at
approximately 35,000 and increasing with an HIV prevalence (15-49 years) of 0.55%. In 2014,
the population of adult PLHIV in Somaliland is estimated at 9,531, while in South Central at
16,363 and Puntland at 3,832. (Table 1). The HIV Prevalence (15-49) in 2014 is estimated at
0.78% in Somaliland, 0.59% in Puntland and 0.38% in South Central."

http://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/country/documents/SOM_narrative_report_2015.pdf

Again, you picked the wrong battle here. We all know that HIV is way more prevalent in your community due to promiscuity, drug abuse etc.. Somalis come from a conservative culture, and thank God for that.

As for the stories from Europe, most of those links belong to Islamophobic/anti-immigrations organisations. You need to be a bit more critical about the sources that you use. You're so desperate to score some cheap points that you are willing to quote from sources that regard you and your people as subhuman creatures. That's just pitiful.

With that said, Somalis only came to Europe in large numbers since the mid to late 90's. Despite a lot of stigma and many challenges, we've managed to progress as a community. I keep coming back to the fact that we have vibrant, strong communities where we control our own wealth. Many of us are the children of illiterate people yet we've managed to get high level education and substantially improve our situation within 1 generation. My own family is a good example. My mother never went to school, even though she was an established businesswoman back home. She did the best she could and now 4 of her children have University degrees and the 5th is a carpenter. This is a giant leap even though we're still technically still the 1st generation. I know of many such stories. Of course the media will naturally tend to be drawn to the negative stories, but the positives clearly outweigh the negatives.

I am willing to wager that even if you look at the worst statistics on Somalis and compare them to those of the AA's, we will still come out on top. Again, the fact that we are even in the same conversation despite you people being natives of these western countries says way more about you than us.

As for crime rates, you guys make up about 13% of the US population yet account for 40% of all incarcerations. Nobody got you beat in that department.

As for FGM, then it's prevalent all over Africa, including your ancestral homelands. Worry about the prostitution and child-molestation epidemics (along with a plethora of other epidemics) that plague your community.

Supper:
Funny thing is that immigrants tend to perform better than natives across the board, not just with black people, and not even just in America, but in other "western nations" like the UK, Canada, and Australia. So I really don't understand where all of the hoopla about "zomg teh emmigrents R dooing bettur than tah black-muricans!!! hur dur" is coming from, as if this phenomenon isn't universal.
https://www.rt.com/news/immigrants-jobs-native-brits-049/
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7723

[img]http://www.somalispot.com/attachments/350px-higher_education_in_the_us_by_race-svg-png.3538/[/img]

Somalis are not immigrants. They're refugees. Big difference. If US Somalis had been immigrants, i.e. people who specifically came for work and/or education, there wouldn't even have been a discussion.

Keep being "proud" of these token celebrities/outliers when we all know that your community at large is pure trash. Facts.

After 400+ years in the land of the free, the home of the brave:

http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/impact-of-hunger/african-american-hunger/african-american-hunger-fact-sheet.html?referrer=https://www.google.dk/

African Americans are disproportionately affected by poverty, food insecurity, and unemployment. They are also more likely to receive charitable food assistance than their Latino and white, non-Hispanic peers.

These are the people whom you should be competing with, not recent arrivals from a war torn country. The very fact that we are even in the same discussion says a lot about you.

But--but---we betta dan deeez somalians yo.. dey ain't got it as gud az us.. nahmean.. Dey iz beneaf us yo.

Somali owned businesses in Africa:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1300633

The rise of Somali capital in Kenya:

http://chimurengachronic.co.za/the-rise-of-somali-capital-2/
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d4979b30-bf98-11e1-bb88-00144feabdc0.html#axzz4Bnf2MRV4

Somali entrepreneurs in the Gulf:

DUBAI - The Somali community has been making their presence felt in the UAE over the last five years in the backdrop of the rapid growth of their businesses in the country, in general, and Dubai in particular. In Dubai, Somalis operate more than 30 gold and textile shops, hotels, computer businesses, money exchanges and livestock imports.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/general/somalis-make-their-mark-in-the-uae

http://afrikansarvi.fi/issue8/85-matkakertomus/234-somali-business-in-dubai

We're known as an entrepreneurial people bruh. We've been doing this for thousands of years. 20-30 years of civil war do not define us. We're an ancient seafaring people who used to trade far and wide.

You want to talk about banks? We have established an entire banking/money transferring system which runs parallel to the regular banking system. Look up the word "Hawala". We're Muslim, we don't deal in interests.

You guys have the "advantage" of being able to borrow money from normal banks, you speak the language, know the culture, have been here for 400+ years, you don't have to worry about sending money back home to feed the relatives etc. yet you're still at the bottom of society.

We shouldn't even be in the same conversation. You should be competing with Asians, Latinos, Whites.. Heck, the Nigerians who came as recently as the 60's have become the most succesful minorities in the US.

But please, tell me some more about how Beyoncé is so influential for shaking her booty on a stage.. lol

You got mad at Enlightened for refusing to date AA men yet a significant portion of your own women refuse to date you lot. Why are you mad at a non-AA woman for refusing to date AA men when AA women don't even want to date AA men??

Fix the self-hate in your community that has black men and black women despising one another and worshipping white people.

One last thing that I'd like to add is that the Somali community in the West continues to be replenished with fresh arrivals every year which is why some of the statistics on Somalis are pretty useless. They do not account for these fresh arrivals when it comes to rate of unemployment, literacy etc. We're basically a mixed bag of that first wave that came in the mid to late 90s (established) and the thousands that have come in the 00s and 10s (less established).

Somguy:
You got mad at Enlightened for refusing to date AA men yet a significant portion of your own women refuse to date you lot. Why are you mad at a non-AA woman for refusing to date AA men when AA women don't even want to date AA men??

Fix the self-hate in your community that has black men and black women despising one another and worshipping white people.

What happened to zen? You gotta leave people to their thoughts, however flawed. Let it be.

EnlightenedSoul:


What happened to zen? You gotta leave people to their thoughts, however flawed. Let it be.

Yeah I guess you're right. Shaqo la'aan baa igu dhacday.

This guy has a severe cuqdad. What does your Somaliness have to do with the views that you've expressed in this thread? You were speaking as an individual, not on behalf of all Somalis.

Somguy:


Yeah I guess you're right. Shaqo la'aan baa igu dhacday.

This guy has a severe cuqdad. What does your Somaliness have to do with the views that you've expressed in this thread? You were speaking as an individual, not on behalf of all Somalis.

Lol @ shaqo la'aan.

IDK, man, people are interesting. There was no point in offense. Well, you took the bait as it were, and here now are the beginnings of a race war of the type they & our resident troll would illicit. Cue next: crack babies and gangbangers vs drought babies and Al-shabab.

EnlightenedSoul:


Lol @ shaqo la'aan.

IDK, man, people are interesting. There was no point in offense. Well, you took the bait, and here now are the beginnings of a race war, of the type our resident troll would illicit. Cue next: crack babies and gangbangers vs drought babies and Alshabab.

Nah I won't stoop that low. I'm out of this thread. Said everything that I needed to say.

Somguy:


Nah I won't stoop that low. I'm out of this thread. Said everything that I needed to say.

That's good.

It's hard, but don't let your ego take hold. You should be aware this same dude's been at it with the troll before, same links and everything. Where "shaqo la'aan" is concerned, you are more than surpassed.

onila:
she said black men got big diccks!

which will make me uncomfortable and experience extreme pain during sex

she told me how her sister runs away from her husband when its time for sex because of his big sugercane

she said once she got her American visa, she dumped him and now happily married to a white man

I am someone who hates physical pain
and I am beginning consider white men for marriage

I love your English. Go ahead, marry, you'll get what you want. I'll be waiting for your cries soon.

By the way, I don't actually think any sane black would marry a girl like you. You know we prefer sensible folks.

Nazaretha:

I love your English. Go ahead, marry, you'll get what you want. I'll be waiting for your cries soon.

By the way, I don't actually think any sane black would marry a girl like you. You know we prefer sensible folks.

screw off

Allah Yafumo! kai kai!! Dunia labari! I don't know how this conversation went from some African women worshipping the ground that white guys walk on went to bashing each others respective cultures.

Fulaman198:
Allah Yafumo! kai kai!! Dunia labari! I don't know how this conversation went from some African women worshipping the ground that white guys walk on went to bashing each others respective cultures.

Oh puh-lease, Fula. Don't you tire?

As if you haven't seen this a million times before. When I myself smelled it leagues away, holding back your desperately sought "reasons". I can understand Somguy's surprise, but you, you are either next level clueless or feigning cluelessness, and who's to say which is worse, really. But for pete's sake, would you stop it with the farce already? Don't you tire, you don't?

EnlightenedSoul:


Oh puh-lease, Fula. Don't you tire?

As if you haven't seen this a million times before. When I myself smelled it leagues away, holding back your desperately sought "reasons". I can understand Somguy's surprise, but you, you are either next level clueless or feigning cluelessness, and who's to say which is worse, really. But for pete's sake, would you stop it with the farce already? Don't you tire, you don't?

Well I do tire from time to time but I try to keep my strength and stamina up by going to the gym

Well, you are here to rectify my "clulessness" after all. I don't know what you mean by it being a farce? I'm not pretending.

Somguy:
Lol seems like I struck a nerve. Nice essay. How dumb does one have to be to compare Khat abuse to the[b] crack epidemic that's plaguing inner city neighbourhoods all over America.[/b]

Crack epidemic?? Dude, the 80s called: They want their talking points back. Countless studies have shown that white people use drugs at the same rate as African-Americans and sell drugs at an even higher rate EVEN DURING THE 80s, but African-Americans are and have been historically arrested for it at a higher rate.

The study, which was published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry, controlled for variables like socioeconomic status because rates of severe drug problems tend to be greater amongst the poor. Despite this, Native American youth fared worst, with 15% having a substance use disorder, compared to 9.2% for people of mixed racial heritage, 9.0% for whites, 7.7% for Hispanics, 5% for African Americans and 3.5% for Asians and Pacific Islanders.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

Whites were about 45 percent more likely than blacks to sell drugs in 1980, according to an analysis of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth by economist Robert Fairlie. This was consistent with a 1989 survey of youth in Boston. My own analysis of data from the 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows that 6.6 percent of white adolescents and young adults (aged 12 to 25) sold drugs, compared to just 5.0 percent of blacks (a 32 percent difference).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/

Whereas according to the previously posted study.

The percentage of those who never tried khat never exceeds 30% in the different age groups in H, while the same in M ranges between 57.68% (20-30) and 87.62% (under 20).


Thus there are WAAYYY more somali khat junkies proportionally than African-American crack(or any drug) addicts.

And while their are some conflicting opinions on the effects of its use, MOST credible sources of information on it report that it does have significant direct adverse effects on health, particularly orally. Here's a scholarly peer-reviewed research paper published in an actual academic journal on the subject.

"These groups(Somalis/Yemenis) typically have high levels of male unemployment, poverty and low educational standards, and it is within these community groups where oral cancer incidence is most prevalent. No studies of oral cancer incidence in these ethnic populations in the UK has been undertaken to date.

http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v206/n1/full/sj.bdj.2008.1122.html

Penniless, starving and at the mercy of marauding armed gangs: Appalling fate of Yemen and Somalia's khat addicts revealed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2799063/penniless-starving-mercy-marauding-armed-gangs-appalling-fate-yemen-somalia-s-khat-addicts-revealed.html

And just to reiterate, proportionally there's way more somali khat junkies than African-American crack(or any drug) addicts.

Oh "but wEer nut lik dos gaalo madow beoble. Wii weel only sell r dotters for de purfekly safe tasty leaves like qat aftur we mutilate der genitals with a rusty blade, my furiend. But never teh crack like dos immoral madows"

“What is happening is that vehicles that ferry miraa (khat) to Somalia are also used to ferry young girls and women for the purpose of trade. Businessmen and women traffic these young girls to brothel houses in Nairobi and other countries,” she said.

http://english.alshahid.net/archives/2948

Somguy:

Needless to say, people don't prostitute themselves or sell their pre-teen daughters for Khat. There is no comparison dude and you know it.

You're right, there's no comparison. See above link.

But of course I can't leave out the all of somali pedophile grooming/trafficking gangs that routinely get busted in West as well.

29 Somali Muslim Gang Members Indicted for Kidnapping, Raping and Selling Underage Girls (Video)
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/29-somali-muslim-gang-members-indicted-for-kidnapping-raping-and-selling-underage-girls/

Chilling moment member of 13-strong Somali prostitution gang checks in to a Premier Inn hotel before raping 13-year-old girl in a room with another man

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851680/13-Somali-men-convicted-running-inner-city-prostitution-ring-British-teenagers-abused-raped.html

Ahh rich somalian culture- The gift that just keeps on giving.

Somguy:
Like I said, Somalis are a very recent refugee group in the West. The very fact that we are even in the same discussion says a lot more about your people than mine. What have you achieved in your 400+ years in America? You're over-represented in crime statistics, HIV prevalence, prostitution and drug abuse are rampant, you don't even control your own wealth etc.. You've failed on every level of society except when it comes to entertaining these white folks as glorified clowns and court jesters. You've had 400+ years to make something of yourselves yet every single immigrant community manages to surpass within 1 generation - all the indications are there that even the Somalis will surpass you in the very near future. For one, we control our own wealth and are good at community building. We do not rely on Arabs, Koreans and Indians to supply us with the most basic necessities. If a group of recently arrived refugees, most of whom are illiterate, can compete with you in your own home, then the future looks very bleak for you, my friend.

This whole diatribe in has been preemptively addressed, discredited, and refuted, thoroughly I might add, in my first post. I went as far as to lay out three premises leading to an inference as to how African-Americans are expected to perform based on the what we as a relatively young people have been through, and went even further to give you the opportunity to provide ONE example of Afro or Indigenous(including Native Americans) descendants in the Americas that have an HDI equal to that of whites or immigrant groups in the respective countries they live, as a retort. You conveniently & cowardly skirted the question. To which the only response you had was only "nice essay" which considering that somalis are by and large a semi-literate "beoble" who dread the mere idea of having to read something that isn't a food stamps application, I guess shouldn't be surprised. And you further reinforce the notion that somalians lack basic arithmetic skills with the erroneous 400+ years figure you seem to pull out of your anus. The US didn't even exist 400 years ago, as the declaration of independence of the original 13th colonies from britain didn't occur until 1776 exactly 240 years ago- ya know, 4th of July, maybe you've heard of it. And the emancipation of slaves didn't have happen until 1865, 151 years ago, until which AAs were chattel enslaved property of others deliberately prohibited from basic forms of education, like reading, BY LAW and weren't even considered fully human, let alone citizens of the US! And this isn't even taking into consideration the blatant racial disenfranchisement of African-Americans under the post-emancipations legal black codes or jim crow era laws(but 51 years ago). See, this is why you shouldn't have skipped math and history class to chew khat underneath the stairwell. But, again do feel free to find me ONE single example of an Afro TST or Indigenous descedant people in the Americas that have an HDI more or less equal to that of whites or the even better on average performing immigrant communities in their respective countries. Though, I wont hold my breath on that one. You'll most likely continue to do the bobble head somalian-shuffle all around that one.

Now with all that said: While you may continue to regurgitate the same inaccurate cookie cutter talking point about other races owning business in African-American neighborhoods(in actuality African-American owned businesses are the fastest growing segment of businesses in the country according to the US census). That still isn't anywhere near as shameful as having a fractured country where the only real central government control lies in a city that has routine terrorist attacks on hotels. Everywhere else is under the military protection of neighboring Kenya, Ethiopia and other AU states, being built from the ground up by turks and chinese firms, and reliant on UN food rations to feed the people. Leaving you in effect you guys are as stateless as we are.

Your people reside on the most resource rich continent(Africa), in a country that hands down has the most strategic location for commerce, industry fishing, and tourism with borders on both the gulf of aden and the red sea and all you have to show for it is piracy, terrorism on hotels, illiteracy, famine, malnutrition, the highest infant mortality rate in the world, and abject poverty?

This coming from a people who've existed for thousands of years in the same region of the world, has lived through and witnessed countless periods of human advancement, from the iron age, to the islamic golden age, to the european enlightenment, and has never, as you guys love to put "bin inslaived", still hasn't manage make ONE notable contribution in any field of math, science, technology, or the arts. Nothing but a multi-millennium long history of constant rampant inbreeding, savage inter-clan fighting, genital mutilation, and aimless nomadic wandering about the horn of africa. Yet the American "adoon" you love to hate who's only existed as free people for a mere 151 years, as a nationless minority, has a plethora of notable contributions in every thing from:

-Science, such as revolutionizing the entire agricultural industry, which literally saved the economy of the post civil war south.
http://porterbriggs.com/how-peanuts-saved-the-south/

-Math, such as John von Neumann Theory Prize(the nobel prize of operations research) winning mathematician, David Blackwell who came up with the Rao-Blackwell Theorum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blackwell

-Techology, such as designing the Industry Standard Architecture for used in all modern cpu chips to interface with motherboards.
http://www.biography.com/people/mark-dean-604036

-Arts, such as well basically directly inventing or influencing or just about every form of popular music around the world that's existed, from the 19th century starting with ragtime, onward.

What have somalis in their sad, pathetic, 1000s years existence EVER contributed to the world in ANY time period? Hell, at least the Arabs and Iranians have the names of many scientist and mathematicians from the islamic golden age they can point to & even your habesha neighbors with the Abyssinian civilization(s) creating one of the only indigenous alphabet scripts and the ONLY written music notation in Sub-Saharan Africa, to look back to for evidence of the genius and impact of their people. Plus, plenty, too many to name, examples of West African contributions to the fields of math and science such as Fulani al-Kishnawi from Northern Nigeria who published a manuscript in cairo egypt on fractal geometry called "magic squares" in 1732. While your people were probably inbreeding, fighting/enslaving other clans, and then crying about being perpetual refugees who can't ever seem to find "beace" in their own nation due to fleeing from their own savagery .

Do you know how many world leaders would love carpet bomb the hell out of somalia to displace your apparently useless population just to have your prime real estate and generate trillions off your land. In fact, there were a couple of attempts by other nations doing just that weren't there? Hell, even your dumb Arab overlords in countries like Kuwait, who were the subjects of invasion by the saddams iraq which totally destroyed the country, yet they quickly rebuilt and managed to squeeze billion dollar lemonade off of tourism, natural resources, and foreign investments alone. So, your current condition says a lot about your worth as a people. Not about civil wars or refugees in general as there have been many, more recent wars, and more significant refugee crises occurring either at the same time or more recently than your peoples. Such as(as far as the US)Former Soviet Union - 380,000 ppl, Vietnam - 182,000 ppl, Former Yugoslavia - 169,000 ppl, 4. Iraq - 106,000 ppl, 5. Myanmar - 104,000 ppl- All larger the the Somali refugee intake, yet ALL of those groups have not only managed to restore peace in their home countries(save for Iraq) handily outperform Somalis in America(who have the highest unemployment rate, lowest college graduation rate, and lowest household income. And that, the US, is your MOST successful western diaspora) and elsewhere(where your people do even worse).

Somguy:
This is from a far-right extremist website. That alone is enough to discredit its validity. Here is what the same site says about your people

They used real stories to back up their points, not just about a bunch of empty rhetoric. But, okay well here's non-partisan an unbiased source.

-Minnesota is home to America’s largest Somali community, 33,000 people. The unemployment rate for Somali Minnesotans in 2015 was triple the state average, 21 percent. As of 2014, about 5,950 of the state’s Somali population received cash assistance; 17,000 receive food assistance as of 2014.


Keep in mind the unemployment rate for african-americans is %8.8
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/05/465748249/african-americans-face-uncertain-reality-despite-low-unemployment-rate

A close study of Somali refugees by the government of Maine (home to the nation’s second-largest Somali community) found that fewer than half of the working-age population had worked at any time in the five years from 2001 through 2006.

The U.S. unemployment rate of 20+ percent still represents a huge improvement over rates in Europe. Only about 40 percent of working-age Somali men in Norway are employed. In the Swedish city of Malmo, home to one of the largest Somali communities in Europe, only 20 percent work.

Somalis have so much difficulty finding work in the developed world because their skills badly mismatch local labor needs. Only about 18 percent of boys and 15 percent of girls attend even primary school in Somalia. UNICEF has given up trying to measure literacy rates. Much of the U.S. refugee population is descended from people held as slaves in Somalia, who accordingly lack any family tradition of education. Their children then flounder in Western schools, baffled by the norms and expectations they encounter there. In the U.K., Somali students pass the standard age 16 high school exams at a rate less than half that of Nigerian immigrant students.

Struggling with the transition from semi-nomadic-herder society to postindustrial urban life, young Somalis in the West are tempted by criminal activity. Danish Somalis are 10 times more likely to be committed of a serious offense than native-born Danes. At least 29 young Canadian Somalis were murdered in drug-trafficking-related deaths between 2005 and 2010. In July 2012, Richard Stanek, sheriff of the county that encompasses Minneapolis-St. Paul, testified to Congress about the rising danger of American Somali gangs.
http://www.steynonline.com/7366/welfare-for-the-world

Somguy:
As for HIV, none of the reports that you quoted even mention Somalia or Somalis, you deceptive little freak. Let's look at the numbers for your community:

Look, I know that you come from statistically the most illiterate group in the world, but at least try read the bold face title of article before you start going off about what is and what isn't mentioned.


And the article clearly states verbatim that in "2013, 2,691 new cases were reported in south central Somalia alone"

Thus....


19079/45003665 > 0.00042 x 100 = 0.042 percent of African-American were newly infected with HIV

2691/3100000 > 0.00086 x 100 = 0.086 percent of people in South Central Zoomalia were newly infected with HIV

Furthermore Djibouti a country, mainly populated by somalis ranks 39 in countries with the highest hiv infection rate. That's at the top one quarter of the 169 countries from where data was gathered and more than the vast majority of even West African countries. With %1.2 of the population being infected.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=so&v=32

But, as stated before you like most somalians clearly lack the basic arithmetic skills to even conduct such a comparison, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

Somguy:

"Blacks/African Americansa have the most severe burden of HIV of all racial/ethnic groups in the United States. Compared with other races and ethnicities, African Americans account for a higher proportion of new HIV diagnoses, those living with HIV, and those ever diagnosed with AIDS.

In 2014, 44% (19,540) of estimated new HIV diagnoses in the United States were among African Americans, who comprise 12% of the US population.

In 2014, an estimated 48% (10,045) of those diagnosed with AIDS in the United States were African Americans. By the end of 2014, 42% (504,354) of those ever diagnosed with AIDS were African Americans.

The figures on the published articles always use Estimated numbers resulting from statistical adjustment that accounted for reporting delays and missing transmission category. Only later are the actual numbers tallied in whole. Which tally up at 19,079.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/statistics_2012_HIV_Surveillance_Report_vol_24.pdf#Page=26

But, even if we went with your number the figures would still look like this.

19540/45003665 > 0.00042 x 100 = 0.044 percent of African-American were newly infected with HIV(one thousandth of a percent higher)

2691/3100000 > 0.00086 x 100 = 0.086 percent of people in South Central Somalia were newly infected with HIV

Furthermore many studies have shown that the so called "African-American" hiv infection rate in America is artificially inflated, because of African immigrants being agglomerated under the category "African-Americans" on a national level, and in most states but a few. So the actual ethnic AA hiv rate is projected to be lower.

In 2009, the Utah HIV/AIDS Surveillance
Report profile included country of birth for the first time. As noted in
the report, from 2008–2009, there was a 33 percent increase in HIV
diagnoses in African-born persons. HIV prevalence is more than six
times higher among African-born blacks than U.S.-born blacks.
African-born blacks made up 0.25 percent of Utah’s total population,
but accounted for 7.9 percent of all HIV/AIDS cases
http://scholarworks.umb.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1353&context=trotter_review


Finally, a report in the Boston Herald (4/
20/02) also reports high levels of HIV/
AIDS stigma in Boston African immigrant
populations, which that city has also been
unable to estimate. The estimated
number given for the state, however, is
100,000, with the largest populations
from Cape Verde, Nigeria, Ghana, and
Uganda. It was stated that the HIV
prevalence in these populations is
probably greater than in blacks generally
in the state (estimated to be ~1.2%).
http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/communicable/hiv/~/media/health/publichealth/documents/hiv/African_Immigrant_Project.ashx

African-Americans. Kerani et al. (2008) reclassified cases of HIV/AIDS among African-Americans, separating African-born from African-Americans in eight regions and states, and found that African-born persons accounted for between 3 and 50% of all diagnoses among African-Americans in these areas. Failure by states and regions to separate African-American data from African born data may hide important epidemiologic trends and artificially inflate the rate of HIV/AIDS among African-Americans.
http://cogentoa.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/2331205X.2016.1175402

And lastly from Minnesota(little Mogadishu)

Minnesota is one of only a few states that separate HIV/AIDS statistics of African-Americans from African born. Between 2008 and 2012, African immigrants represented the largest group of immigrants living in the state of Minnesota with over half coming from eastern Africa (Gambino, Trevelyan, & Fitzwater, 2014).1 Eastern Africa is unique in that it is the second most affected region by HIV/AIDS in the world (United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime, 2013). In Minnesota, African-born immigrants experience the highest rate of HIV infection among any racial/ethnic group reported (56.2 per 100,000; Minnesota Department of Health, 2012). The epidemic of HIV/AIDS in Minnesota reflects national trends in transmission and progression. Although men who have sex with men continue to comprise the majority of people in Minnesota and the nation living with HIV/AIDS, other subpopulations including African-born residents, are observing a rise in their infection rates (Minnesota Department of Health, 2012).
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/2331205X.2016.1175402

Somguy:
As for FGM, then it's prevalent all over Africa, including your ancestral homelands. Worry about the prostitution and child-molestation epidemics (along with a plethora of other epidemics) that plague your community.

Bottom line is that disgusting pedophilic practice of yours isn't at all relevant to the African-American experience. Never has been. So, naturally it's shocking to hear of a nation where it's performed on %98 of young girls.

The US states with the highest forcible rape rates per 100,000 people are as followed.....

Alaska - 73.4

South Dakota - 59.9

New Mexico - 53.9
http://leg.state.nv.us/Interim/76th2011/Committee/StatCom/AdminJustice/Other/24-April-2012//2008 and 2009 Crime Rates By State.pdf

Alaska has an even more disproportionate rate of child rape at six times to national average.
http://www.adn.com/commentary/article/why-alaska-rape-capital-us-because-we-allow-it/2013/04/08/

All states with the least population of African-Americans in the US.

Whereas it takes a real special kind of savage to immigrate to a one peace and relatively rape free country, like sweden along with arabs and pakis, and turn it into the rape capital of Europe in less than a decade.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Hell, just less than two of months ago, 5 somali punks(who are of course just practicing their culture) gang raped this woman in minneapolis
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/04/20/group-sexual-assault-south-mpls/

Or how about at the beginning of the year(2016) when a group of somalians decided to celebrate eid mubarak by gang raping a 16 year old girl in the UK.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423246/Three-Somali-men-gang-raped-white-16-year-old-girl-bathroom-hotel-stayed-celebrate-Eid-jailed-30-years.html

Or how about Somalia's hidden epidemic of raping women and girls in refugee camps where women describe rape as being "normal".
http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2011/10/26/living-hell-somalias-hidden-rape-epidemic


Or how about the 14 year old girl that was stoned to death after being raped in 2008 in Somaila.

Or how about the time a good Samaritan African-American man was jumped and beaten with baseball bats by 5 somali punks for defending a female gas station clerk from being harassed by the third world savages in St Paul, MN.
http://www.twincities.com/2010/06/02/st-paul-police-release-photos-of-bat-attack-on-good-samaritan/

Furthermore continuing on with the theme of disease infestation.

22 Percent of Resettled Refugees in Minnesota Test Positive for Tuberculosis & 26 percent of all foreign born cases of tuberculosis in Minnesota were from people born in Somalia.- Now causes more deaths than hiv.
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/refugee/rhq/rhqapr16.pdf

Khat-chewing "contributes to rise in Burao Tuberculosis patients"
http://www.irinnews.org/report/90564/somalia-khat-chewing-contributes-rise-burao-tb-patients

Abdijibar Mohamed Abdi, a director of the TB unit at hospital, told IRIN. "One of the reasons for the high rate of infection among men is the chewing of khat, which is done in poorly ventilated rooms for many hours. Such men are also at greater risk due to hunger and sleeplessness as the chewing takes place mostly at night."

So much for qat being "burfectly" harmless, eh.

I am from the Bahamas. I would like you to find one example or photograph of a shantytown in the Bahamas please. The closest thing is communities of illegal immigrants from Haiti who have come to the Bahamas to enjoy our very high standard of living. Please inform yourself before you present yourself as an expert on places you do not know.

Supper:
Only requires boilerplate responses.

You'd be harder pressed to find a link between a civil war(which your hair trigger psychotic people started on their own) and a categorically backwards tradition like FGM(you people have been doing that WAYYY before your civil war) than you would historically oppression and modern marginalization in a variety of areas, especially of a minority group, with poverty and violence which btw is well attested to by just about any sociologist worth their weight in salt.

But, just as a thought experiment. Let's establish some historical facts and put things in their proper context and then make a simple inference.

-That the transatlantic slave trade and genocide of indigenous people didn't just happen in the US, but across the Western Hemisphere.

- The descents of those Africans and Natives still live in every single one of those countries today.

- It's no coincidence that all of said descendants just so happen to be the most economically disenfranchised people and live in communities plagued with issues like violence and drug addiction whether your talking about the Lakota or Navajo reservations in the US, the favelas of Brazil, the Barrios of Columbia, the First Nation rezs in Canada, or the Shanty towns of Jamaica and the Bahamas or the ghettos of the US etc etc. Therefor as Afro-diasporan TST descendants(not African immigrants) our condition is entirely in line with those of every other Afro-America or Indigenous group in the Americas.

Evidence would lend credence to the hypothesis that long term historical oppression of a group of people is positively correlated with long term effects such as economic disenfranchisement, broken homes, and violence. Unless of course you can find me a historically oppressed group on the level of genocide and/or chattel enslavement (preferably in the Americas) whos HDI is more or less equal to whites or even the immigrant communities in the respective countries. Until then, the point stands that African-American are performing no worse, maybe better, than is to be expected of a group that went through what we went through. Your people on the other hand in your thousands of years of existence, have been able to remain relatively isolated from overwhelming threats and suffering people like mine of faced for most of our mere hundreds of years existence(most of which we weren't even afforded our own personal autonomy aka chattel slavery) and are still being clearly outpaced in terms of accomplishments.

momoyama:
I am from the Bahamas. I would like you to find one example or photograph of a shantytown in the Bahamas please. The closest thing is communities of illegal immigrants from Haiti who have come to the Bahamas to enjoy our very high standard of living. Please inform yourself before you present yourself as an expert on places you do not know.

Shanty Town Report Details Terrible Conditions Faced By Residents
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/jul/04/shanty-town-report-details-terrible-conditions-fac/

And it's a fact that the bahamas had a higher murder rate than both Detroit(& New Orleans) in 2015.
http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/01/articles/caribbean-islands/more-per-capita-murder-than-detroit-nassau-continues-with-mayhem-in-2016/

Though The Bahamas has a higher average income($21,280 vs $14,721) than Detroit. As I'm sure there are some wealthy communities on the islands especially in the capital of Nassau. Still, evidence would suggest that there issues in regards to poverty and violence there, just as in any community of Afro-Diasporans or Indigenous peoples of the Americas(including African-Americans). And that's the point I was making.


And there's upscale outlier African-American communities in America as well

The wealthiest Majority African American neighborhoods based on average incomes.

A)Windsor Hills CA-$159,582
B) Baldwin Hills CA-$157,033
C)Ladera Heights CA-$132,824
D)Mitcheville MD-$118,112
E)Fort Washington MD-$114,230
F)Kettering MD-$107,008
G)Woodmore MD-$103,438
H)Friendly MD-$82,827
I) HIllcrest NY-$76,960
J)Uniondale NY-$76,530

You obviously did not read the article. This is a HAITIAN shantytown, OCCUPIED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM HAITI. Incidentally, it was demolished in 2014! Bahamians are fed up with the thousands of immigrants coming here and living illegally.

The Bahamas has a population of 350,000 and there are an estimated 40,000 illegal immigrants from Haiti and other countries. Our standard of living is so high that it attracts migrants looking to better their lives. Jamaicans, Cubans, Peruvians, Nigerians, Colombians and people from many, many other countries immigrate to the Bahamas and try to get the right to live and work here, where the wages are higher than any country in the Americas other than the US and Canada (and we do not have income tax).

On the other hand, Bahamians DO NOT require VISAS to travel to the USA, Canada, Europe, Japan or any first world country. Why? Because we are a destination, rather than an origin of migration.

So I am personally VERY happy that my African ancestors were kidnapped and taken to the Bahamas. If not, I would be living with a FAR lower standard of living somewhere in West Africa.

Supper:


Shanty Town Report Details Terrible Conditions Faced By Residents
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/jul/04/shanty-town-report-details-terrible-conditions-fac/

And it's a fact that the bahamas had a higher murder rate than both Detroit(& New Orleans) in 2015.
http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/01/articles/caribbean-islands/more-per-capita-murder-than-detroit-nassau-continues-with-mayhem-in-2016/

Though The Bahamas has a higher average income($21,280 vs $14,721) than Detroit. As I'm sure there is some wealthy communities on the island especially in the capital of Nassau. Still, evidence would suggest that there issues in regards to poverty and violence there, just as in any community of Afro-Diasporans or Indigenous peoples of the Americas(including African-Americans). And that the point I was making.


And there's upscale outlier African-American communities in America as well

The wealthiest Majority African American neighborhoods based on average incomes.

A)Windsor Hills CA-$159,582
B) Baldwin Hills CA-$157,033
C)Ladera Heights CA-$132,824
D)Mitcheville MD-$118,112
E)Fort Washington MD-$114,230
F)Kettering MD-$107,008
G)Woodmore MD-$103,438
H)Friendly MD-$82,827
I) HIllcrest NY-$76,960
J)Uniondale NY-$76,530

Fulaman198:


Well I do tire from time to time but I try to keep my strength and stamina up by going to the gym

Well, you are here to rectify my "clulessness" after all. I don't know what you mean by it being a farce? I'm not pretending.

Alrighty, Fulaman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5WNUkNQV80

My friend, there is poverty everywhere. In the Bahamas it is MUCH lower than in most countries, black and white (around 9 percent, pushed up to 12 percent by the recent recession). Also, a 'poor' Bahamian is better off than a middle class person in most developing countries. The AVERAGE person in the Bahamas is very far from poor. The average hourly wage is $14 dollars and the minimum hourly wage is more than $5.

As for violence, we have far too much. But this is related to socialization issues among urban youths and has NOTHING to do with the white man and EVERYTHING to do with bad government policy in the early days (not enough direct social intervention). It is also a reflection of the influence of black American culture as promoted by television and other media.

Bahamians are lucky to be born Bahamians and almost all of us know that. We black have to get past this victimhood syndrome, where no responsibility is taken for our own outcomes and everything is blamed on the white man. This, sadly, seems to be the misguided essence of your commentary.

Supper:


Shanty Town Report Details Terrible Conditions Faced By Residents
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/jul/04/shanty-town-report-details-terrible-conditions-fac/

And it's a fact that the bahamas had a higher murder rate than both Detroit(& New Orleans) in 2015.
http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/01/articles/caribbean-islands/more-per-capita-murder-than-detroit-nassau-continues-with-mayhem-in-2016/

Though The Bahamas has a higher average income($21,280 vs $14,721) than Detroit. As I'm sure there are some wealthy communities on the islands especially in the capital of Nassau. Still, evidence would suggest that there issues in regards to poverty and violence there, just as in any community of Afro-Diasporans or Indigenous peoples of the Americas(including African-Americans). And that's the point I was making.


And there's upscale outlier African-American communities in America as well

The wealthiest Majority African American neighborhoods based on average incomes.

A)Windsor Hills CA-$159,582
B) Baldwin Hills CA-$157,033
C)Ladera Heights CA-$132,824
D)Mitcheville MD-$118,112
E)Fort Washington MD-$114,230
F)Kettering MD-$107,008
G)Woodmore MD-$103,438
H)Friendly MD-$82,827
I) HIllcrest NY-$76,960
J)Uniondale NY-$76,530

EnlightenedSoul:


Alrighty, Fulaman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5WNUkNQV80

Are you saying you want to dance with me to this song? I'll be more than happy to after Ramadan and Eid when I have fully replenished my strength. I'll show you how much of a great dancer a Fulani man can be. Although, I'm not used to dancing to great musicians like Michael Jackson.

@SomeGuy Wow. Guess I shouldn't even be surprised at this point.

What have you achieved in your 400+ years in America?

Surprisingly more than Somalia has in it's whole existence.
Where's your equivalent to the AA philosophers such as Martin Luther King or Malcom x who are renowned the world over? What about your president of the entire free world? Where's all the scientists, teachers, or doctors with such amazing feats such as Ben Carson? When has there ever been an astronaut from Somalia who's been to the moon. What about your inventors?


Bro I could go on & on of the achievements that have nothing to do with sports, although I find it funny you think Lebron's skills which led to championship & his networth of $267,000,000 isn't an achievement. On what planet?

(this is the part where you whine & make excuses about AAs having the advantage of living in a first world country)<- funny how that works

You can downplay our domination of sports or music as being "court jesters" for whites if you want but fact of the matter is it's us making it to those positions while you are not. I actually find quite ironic coming from the same people who go on black forums in order to brag about their kind's "eurocentric" features.

Just imagine if it were Somalis who came to the U.S. and got the positions of professional athletes or got acting roles over AAs. No doubt you would take pride in that, just as I've seen your people take pride in horn Africans getting modeling positions over black women. (And yes I'm treating you as a monolith. The same way you're doing to us )

You've had 400+ years to make something of yourselves yet every single immigrant community manages to surpass within 1 generation - all the indications are there that even the Somalis will surpass you in the very near future.

Pfft. A whole 400 years?
Wow, I guess slavery & the years of discrimination that followed was never a thing.

(From Wikipedia) - Generally, the remaining Jim Crow laws were overruled by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, but years of action and court challenges were needed to unravel numerous means of institutional discrimination.

Your people don't share the same history of having a crack epidemic which plagued our communities, but it seems you stick with your backwards practices from your homeland such as FGM, selling young girls into prostitution , etc
The culture you see of many AAs isn't exactly one they created, but more of something that was forced on them as a result of poverty - Many Somalis succumbing to it. See Malitia MaliMob & Mo-g for examples. There was recently a documentary done on Somali gangs in Canada.

Also worth mentioning, something strange I found out is alot of Somalis seemed excited at the recognition Mo-g received during his little feud with rapper Drake -- Even some of the same people that normally hated on AAs.
Kinda makes ya think maybe they're just jealous that AAs have such a notable presence all while their reputation is starvation & pirates?
Could that also be the reason why so many Somalis are imitating them? Or trolling our forums to get our attention? Hmm... seems as if they desperately want to change people's (already bad) opinions of them.

Needless to say, people don't prostitute themselves or sell their pre-teen daughters for Khat. There is no comparison dude and you know it.

Arranged marriage in islamic/somali culture aint a thing now? Let's be honest bro, your religion is all sorts of messed up.
Hell, even with your oppressive *cough* I mean "conservative" religion, your people still manage to get involved in prostitution rings, clan warfare, high crime & rape in Sweden (which ironically you tried playing off as being from racist websites, all while embracing everything negative about AAs)

White female store clerk manhandles two Somali males:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNXU5bw0aU
Black guy speaking on the crime/degeneracy from Somalis in Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs61ZLt5rVQ

As for the HIV rate, you fail to mention two things:
1. It's highest among the gay people (over 80%)
2. African immigration actually drives that number up (as well as a manner of other "black/AA" demographic statistics)

I will get back to you later

First off, this is a counterproductive and childish topic based on advice on advice a five year old has common sense to doubt on dating a white guy. This is why we as Africans can't progress and we're playing checkers while our enemy plays chess. For any African whom wants to ascribe to this backwards thinking good riddens and don't let the door hit you on your way out. Enjoy your superficial fantasy of a mixed race baby with straighter hair and lighter skin your dreams can now be realized. Clearly that individual chooses to neglect the current events in the world and that history always repeats itself. If call yourself an adult and don't know whom your enemy is by now I don't feel sorry for you as I know you're a willing participant in your own genocide.

My question for anyone whom wants to live in reality is what happened after the Europeans colonized African countries and why did they need to be "colonized" in the first place? Is it a coincidence that in every single country in the world those with closest skin color to white have more power while those further away are relegated to bottom dwellers of the society? But of course, this was the natural order of things and the media only tells us the truth! Regardless of the individual everyone of European decent practices white supremacy as they benefit from it whether they admit it or not, now that it's no longer a crime with interracial dating these lost sheep are running to the front of the line. As far as I'm concerned a slave master will always be a slave master and they're never to be confused with a hero or some sort of savior, or that they now have made amends for what their ancestors left for them at all of our expense.

Why advocate one to do such a thing to a group of people that have done nothing but torment your ancestors and made you believe as people that you were nothing but slaves and accomplished nothing. For one to consider this argument whether male or female is plain ignorant and that individual isn't educated enough to understand the racism and how it affects the globe. The ladies whom defend such a toileted concept are now happy to name call/insult their brothers/sisters all for the sake of their white master whom they've been trained to be docile towards yet aggressive towards their own people. Of course there's nothing wrong with this This is why we can never progress and why we will continue to be a laughing stock and seen as "third world' by those whom we allowed to put ourselves in our current mess.

doubleak80:
First off, this is a counterproductive and childish topic based on advice on advice a five year old has common sense to doubt on dating a white guy. This is why we as Africans can't progress and we're playing checkers while our enemy plays chess. For any African whom wants to ascribe to this backwards thinking good riddens and don't let the door hit you on your way out. Enjoy your superficial fantasy of a mixed race baby with straighter hair and lighter skin your dreams can now be realized. Clearly that individual chooses to neglect the current events in the world and that history always repeats itself. If call yourself an adult and don't know whom your enemy is by now I don't feel sorry for you as I know you're a willing participant in your own genocide.

My question for anyone whom wants to live in reality is what happened after the Europeans colonized African countries and why did they need to be "colonized" in the first place? Is it a coincidence that in every single country in the world those with closest skin color to white have more power while those further away are relegated to bottom dwellers of the society? But of course, this was the natural order of things and the media only tells us the truth! Regardless of the individual everyone of European decent practices white supremacy as they benefit from it whether they admit it or not, now that it's no longer a crime with interracial dating these lost sheep are running to the front of the line. As far as I'm concerned a slave master will always be a slave master and they're never to be confused with a hero or some sort of savior, or that they now have made amends for what their ancestors left for them at all of our expense.

Why advocate one to do such a thing to a group of people that have done nothing but torment your ancestors and made you believe as people that you were nothing but slaves and accomplished nothing. For one to consider this argument whether male or female is plain ignorant and that individual isn't educated enough to understand the racism and how it affects the globe. The ladies whom defend such a toileted concept are now happy to name call/insult their brothers/sisters all for the sake of their white master whom they've been trained to be docile towards yet aggressive towards their own people. Of course there's nothing wrong with this This is why we can never progress and why we will continue to be a laughing stock and seen as "third world' by those whom we allowed to put ourselves in our current mess.

Chai, it's still being done today in the present. Well said.

Calling the Nigerian Knight Horus to this thread.

Lmao, these AA's got mad.

Somalia has thousands of years worth of history. I will trade the history of my people for hip-hop music and a few notable figures who don't even represent your community any day of the week.

I'll take our ancient trade centres, seafaring people and empires. Heck, the Ajuraan empire alone should be enough to shut you up lol. So you can keep the nay-nay, the Quan etc..

20 years of civil war in the South does not define us as a people no more than the two world wars define Europeans as a people. Peace will eventually come in the south, but you people will still remain an oppressed minority in the US after all these years.

Akata, the fact that you're in the same conversation as a relatively small group of refugees who arrived in the late 90's and still continue to arrive, after you've had hundreds of years in "the wealthiest country on earth" says a lot lol. Who will you compete against next? The Nepalese community?

Meanwhile the Latinos are laughing at your ass. Stop worrying about Somalis and worry about not getting murdered by the popo as you drive home from work. Don't let these trolls fool you, most of us actually empathize with you. I know I did until I saw all this hate you guys have towards us. You're hiding behind these trolls as an excuse but the truth is your pathetic ego won't accept a cocky African "booty scratcher" who thinks that he is better than you so you got this strong urge to "put us in our place".

You can't say anything about the Nigerians who bash you in these very forums so you vent your anger out on Somalis instead.

Somalis will most likely have outpaced you within the next decade or so just like every other group has done in the past. Worry about educating your people instead of what a group of obscure people from from a war-torn country thinks of you. It shouldn't matter.

What's funny is that everything that you say about Somalis can be said about your people X 10.

PS. Somalis aren't the only Africans who have an unfavorable opinion of you guys. Search this forum and other African forums. Ask your Ethiopian friends why some of them refer to your people as "Bariah". The only difference is that we got these loud ass trolls who have nothing better to do than wind y'all up and you idiots take the bait every time and go off on Somalis as if these trolls represent us.