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With the rhetoric about global trade deficits heating up on the campaign trail, it might appropriate to momentarily shift our focus away from the asymmetric threats of the Taliban and ISIS and look at the world of conventional warfare.

Here’s how the world’s three most powerful militaries stack up in 4 major categories:

1. Stealth fighters

While America holds the current stealth jet lead with the only fielded fifth-generation fighter, Russia and China are both gunning for it.

There are only 187 F-22s, and the F-35 that is supposed to be joining them is running into all sorts of problems in the test phase, including the hi-tech helmet that is supposed to put all kinds of info in the pilot’s visor that doesn’t work right yet. Meanwhile, China is developing four stealth fighters.

The J-31 debuted in air shows in 2014 and is the most advanced current threat, and the J-20, which may have just entered full-scale production, is probably a match for the F-35 if not the F-22.

The two newest designs, the J-23 and J-25, are mostly rumors and Chinese propaganda right now.[img]https://static.businessinsider.com/image/50b81198eab8ea087f00000f-1200-780/sukhoi_t-50_in_2011_(4)-edit-14.jpg[/img] Russia is developing only one stealth fighter but it has capabilities that some put on par with the F-22.

The T-50 will likely enter service in late 2016 or early 2017. Also known as the PAK FA, it’s less stealthy than the Raptor but more maneuverable. The F-22 would likely get a jump on the Russians in a war, but would be in serious trouble if it was spotted first.

Likely winner: As long as the other planes are still more hypothetical than real, the F-22 remains the clear victor.

Still, Raptor drivers can’t rest easy knowing that multiple aircraft are being developed with the primary mission of bringing them down, and those planes are being developed with engineers who have the F-22’s schematics.

2. Tanks
The US Army fielded the first M-1 Abrams in 1980.

But the tank has undergone so many upgrades, including those to the armor, drivetrain, and weapons systems, that everything but the shell is new.

It has a 120mm main gun, great electronics, remote-operated weapon stations, and an armor configuration that incorporates uranium, Kevlar, reactive, and Chobham armor layers. Russia is developing the prototype T-14 on the Armata platform, but right now it relies on the T-90A, which is still an awesome tank.

One even survived a direct hit from a TOW missile in Syria. Originally fielded in 2004, the T-90A features an autoloader, reactive armor, a remotely-operated machine gun, and a 125mm cannon. The crew can fire anti-tank guided missiles from the main gun.


Like Russia, China fields a few varieties of tanks and has new ones in development. It’s go-to for tank-on-tank engagements is the Type 99. It features a 125mm smoothbore gun with auto-loader that can also fire missiles.

The tank has been upgraded with reactive armor and is thought to be nearly as survivable in combat as Western or Russian tanks.

Likely winner: Strictly looking at the gear in a one-on-one fight, it’s a draw. But America has more top-tier tanks and a better history of training crews, plus (Ukraine notwithstanding) US forces have more recent combat experience than their rivals.



3. Surface ships


With the largest Navy in the world, America has any surface fight in the bag if it happens in the middle of the ocean.

The crown jewels are the Navy’s 10 full-sized aircraft carriers and 9 landing helicopter docks. But the Navy’s technological advantages and sheer size might not be enough to overcome China’s missiles or Russia’s diesel subs if it had to fight in enemy waters.

Russia navy krivak

Russia still struggles with force projection, but the launch of Kalibr cruise missiles at ground targets in Syria proved that Russia has found a way to give even their small ships some serious bite.

An anti-ship version of the missile is thought to be just as capable and, if fired in a large enough salvo, may be able to overcome US ship defenses like the Phalanx. Russia also fields the Club-K missile system, a land-attack and anti-ship cruise missile system that can be hidden in shipping containers.

China is pushing for a maritime revolution in both its Coast Guard and the People’s Liberation Army Navy. The Coast Guard is used to establish sovereignty in contested waters and is getting the world’s largest and most heavily armed Coast Guard ships. The Navy features hundreds of surface ships with advanced missiles and other weapons in addition to great sensors.

Likely winner: The US Navy is still the undisputed champ across the world but it would take heavy losses if it fought China or Russia at home. A full-scale invasion might even fail if planners aren’t careful.

4. Submarines



The US Navy has a staggering 14 ballistic missile submarines with a combined 280 nuclear missiles that can each wipe out an enemy city, four guided missile submarines with 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles each, and 54 nuclear attack submarines. They’re technologically advanced, heavily armed, and stealthy.

Russia has only 60 submarines but those are very capable. Russia’s nuclear subs are at or near par with their Western counterparts for stealth while their diesel boats are some of the quietest in the world.

Russia is also working on new submarine weapons including a 100-megaton, city-killing nuclear torpedo. To top it all off, their crews were already good but are getting better.


China has only five nuclear attack submarines, 53 diesel attack submarines, and four nuclear ballistic missile submarines, but they’re working on more. China’s subs are easy to track, but the US and its Pacific allies are deploying sophisticated listening devices to keep track of them anyway.

Likely winner: The US submarine fleet wins for both power projection onto land and sub-on-sub combat, but the gap is narrowing. Chinese and Russian innovations and the rapid construction in new shipyards will make the ocean a more dangerous place for American submariners.


http://www.businessinsider.com/who-would-win-if-russia-china-and-america-all-went-to-war-right-now-2016-3

one min pls

While China and Russia are aggressively pushing their military with new technology,they are still few steps behind the American Military.

The United States has the largest and most sophisticated military in the world.No matter how much Russia and China play catch up,America will still beat them at their own game cause the United States has more money to pump into military research and develop new weapons and systems that would can counter new weapons threat from China and Russia.

While China and Russia develop and unveil new technology,America is already prepared to study and develop counter weapons.

April fool.
America no fit win Russia.... leave America's with their propaganda

CC: Appleyard, Nairaminted, Scully95, Cyprus000, Fineguy11, Tkester1.

Guys - OP is hosting a huge April Fool's comedy show

ValerianSteel:

While China and Russia develop and unveil new technology,America is already prepared to study and develop counter weapons.

you showed so much trust in America, what if America has over spend themselves and other countries ( Russia and China) are taking up the challenge.

ValerianSteel:


While China and Russia develop and unveil new technology,America is already prepared to study and develop counter weapons.

Pray tell, what is Amerika's counter-measures against the Russian Topol-M & R-36M(SS-18 Satan) ?

The award for Basketmouth of the year goes to the OP.

He stated that America has the largest ship in the world but he did not tell us that Russia has the largest submarine in the world (submarines are meant to sink ships).

Also, Russia's Air force haven't fought a single war since 1991 until September 2015 when a small compartment was sent to Syria to fight Daesh and guess what? What the US Air force couldn't achieve in 4 years, the Russian Air force achieved in 5 months (so the OP's claim that the US has the most recent combat experience which gives advantage to the US is a lie).

Talking of fighter jets, does the US has an ECM as good as the Russian Khibiny? How do you strike an enemy you can't see? The US MIC has been spending billions since 2013 to decode the Khibiny but they haven't succeeded so how do they fight Russian jets armed with it?

By trying to give the impression that America will defeat Russia and China in war shows that the OP knows nothing about war. America and Russia cannot defeat one another in a war, they will nuke themselves and everyone else to Armageddon.

Zoharariel:


Pray tell, what is Amerika's counter-measures against the Russian Topol-M & R-36M(SS-18 Satan) ?

Topol M and ss-18? lolzz. I am so dissapointed that this is coming from you!!!! Tell me what Topol M ans SS-18 can do and Minuteman or UGM-133 Trident III Missile cannot do. Just name it

NaijaTalkTown:
The award for Basketmouth of the year goes to the OP.

He stated that America has the largest ship in the world but he did not tell us that Russia has the largest submarine in the world (submarines are meant to sink ships).

Also, Russia's Air force haven't fought a single war since 1991 until September 2015 when a small compartment was send to Syria to fight Daesh and guess what? What the US Air force couldn't achieve in 4 years, the Russian Air force achieved in 5 months (so the OP's claim that the US has the most recent combat experience which gives advantage to the US is a lie).

Talking of fighter jets, does the US has an ECM as good as the Russian Khibiny? How do you strike an enemy you can't see? The US MIC has been spending billions since 2013 to decode the Khibiny but they haven't succeeded so how do they fight Russian jets armed with it?

By trying to give the impression that America will defeat Russia and China in war shows that the OP knows nothing about war. America and Russia cannot defeat one another in a war, they will nuke themselves and everyone else to Armageddon.

I never stated anything. The article was complied by some experts in Business insider org and not me (Mazeltov). scroll up and see the source please. THANKS ALOT

NaijaTalkTown:
The award for Basketmouth of the year goes to the OP.

He stated that America has the largest ship in the world but he did not tell us that Russia has the largest submarine in the world (submarines are meant to sink ships).

Also, Russia's Air force haven't fought a single war since 1991 until September 2015 when a small compartment was send to Syria to fight Daesh and guess what? What the US Air force couldn't achieve in 4 years, the Russian Air force achieved in 5 months (so the OP's claim that the US has the most recent combat experience which gives advantage to the US is a lie).

Talking of fighter jets, does the US has an ECM as good as the Russian Khibiny? How do you strike an enemy you can't see? The US MIC has been spending billions since 2013 to decode the Khibiny but they haven't succeeded so how do they fight Russian jets armed with it?

By trying to give the impression that America will defeat Russia and China in war shows that the OP knows nothing about war. America and Russia cannot defeat one another in a war, they will nuke themselves and everyone else to Armageddon.

How will the "largest subs" get close to a carrier that is protected but a sub killer, frigates and destroyers? They would have to defeat an entire carrier group which is not an easy feat

There is a difference between an air support/ bombing campaign and a air war. The VKS did not fight any air combat, they were roaming free over Syria. The only air skirmish they had ended badly.

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that the US MIC has been trying to "decode" Khibiny? Laughable lie

mazeltov:

With the rhetoric about global trade deficits heating up on the campaign trail, it might appropriate to momentarily shift our focus away from the asymmetric threats of the Taliban and ISIS and look at the world of conventional warfare.

Here’s how the world’s three most powerful militaries stack up in 4 major categories:

1. Stealth fighters

While America holds the current stealth jet lead with the only fielded fifth-generation fighter, Russia and China are both gunning for it.

There are only 187 F-22s, and the F-35 that is supposed to be joining them is running into all sorts of problems in the test phase, including the hi-tech helmet that is supposed to put all kinds of info in the pilot’s visor that doesn’t work right yet. Meanwhile, China is developing four stealth fighters.

You see this is one thing I always like to counter.. F-22.. Build it, make it go loud just to sell and keep the fiat regime believing in junks.. Again I have said this before but I won't repeat is again. SU 34 has just made its debut in Syria and everyone saw how it's a super kill for the deash/isis crooks.. Don't forget here this is a real life threat fo SU 34. Compared to the Daesh/ISIS/Moderate army that anglozionist are backing. Again this confirms how they use massive lies and propaganda to sell junks.

Build it, creat an artificial war to test it and sell it to zombies or puppet states. Again this confirms 100% F-22 that flown few times in Syria. There is even massive disadvantage of F-22. It can't fly in a low flameable war zone, it will explode. F-35 and T-50 should even out of it until both are out and ready but trust how Russia build their Egines..

I have said this again, once they immediately notice a threat to them, they quickly build an asymetric measure to counter that threat. This is how Russia builds it Military gear. So expect T-50 to be delayed until Russia sees that threat.. As for F-35. It just a peace of testing new technologies. It's junk of all the fighter jets. Even F-15 is better than F-35 at this stage.

So forget it for now.
Lets focus on the current ones they have. If war breaks out in Europe for example. NATO will lose because the chuck of its military has more f-15s and SU 34 is particularly built to take on all the F-15s and this is why Turkey will never ever try what it did in the past to shoot down SU 24 bombers.. Because you have SU34 providing back up.

mazeltov:

The J-31 debuted in air shows in 2014 and is the most advanced current threat, and the J-20, which may have just entered full-scale production, is probably a match for the F-35 if not the F-22.

I can really say anything about the Js becaus it has not face any real military threat or tested in any combat zone but don't ever underestimate the power behind Chinese people. They go gentely and they say those who are very genttle are the most dangerious. I am not saying Chinese ppl are.. but in reality Chinese techs rock and I would even like that Nigeria buys more Chinese version cosit's the only country that does not do what the Russians and U.S do. That is sell the less advance one to other countries and retain the higher or more state of heart weapon. U.S and Russia does that and it the reason u will hear Turkish f-15s, Saudi Arabia F-15s. What that is telling you is cuztomize and less to their own original version.

The two newest designs, the J-23 and J-25, are mostly rumors and Chinese propaganda right now.[img]https://static.businessinsider.com/image/50b81198eab8ea087f00000f-1200-780/sukhoi_t-50_in_2011_(4)-edit-14.jpg[/img] Russia is developing only one stealth fighter but it has capabilities that some put on par with the F-22.

mazeltov:

The T-50 will likely enter service in late 2016 or early 2017. Also known as the PAK FA, it’s less stealthy than the Raptor but more maneuverable. The F-22 would likely get a jump on the Russians in a war, but would be in serious trouble if it was spotted first. Likely winner: As long as the other planes are still more hypothetical than real, the F-22 remains the clear victor.

I can't speak of F-22 because it has only been tested in an Enemy zone that is loyal or on the advatage of the Empire So pls count it out in a real or proper warfare. And again who sees who first is another stupid propaganda.. Didnt the Frigate that went to Crimean Black sea saw the SU first and what happened ?? SU is being armed with powerful counter measures and im sure may even deflect missiles.. We have seen this technology on T-90 Tanks deflecting TOW missiles in Syria. Pls forget anything stealth. Stealth does not exist when it comes to S-400.. S-400 missiles and its different multiple radars that can fire missiles at 4-14 times the speed of Sound.. That is a fact so forget those crap about stealth. It will be shut down. The only thing that can happen is if Raptor manages to fire a missile and it in any event tries to pass S-400 on moibile. You have a more super powerful pastir demon backing S-400 instalations and during mobility.. That is if S-400 is on the road, it can't move alone without Panstir.

mazeltov:

2. Tanks
The US Army fielded the first M-1 Abrams in 1980.

But the tank has undergone so many upgrades, including those to the armor, drivetrain, and weapons systems, that everything but the shell is new.

It has a 120mm main gun, great electronics, remote-operated weapon stations, and an armor configuration that incorporates uranium, Kevlar, reactive, and Chobham armor layers. Russia is developing the prototype T-14 on the Armata platform, but right now it relies on the T-90A, which is still an awesome tank.

One even survived a direct hit from a TOW missile in Syria. Originally fielded in 2004, the T-90A features an autoloader, reactive armor, a remotely-operated machine gun, and a 125mm cannon. The crew can fire anti-tank guided missiles from the main gun. Like Russia, China fields a few varieties of tanks and has new ones in development. It’s go-to for tank-on-tank engagements is the Type 99. It features a 125mm smoothbore gun with auto-loader that can also fire missiles.

The tank has been upgraded with reactive armor and is thought to be nearly as survivable in combat as Western or Russian tanks.

Likely winner: Strictly looking at the gear in a one-on-one fight, it’s a draw. But America has more top-tier tanks and a better history of training crews, plus (Ukraine notwithstanding) US forces have more recent combat experience than their rivals.

When it comes to tanks.. Hands down, give it up to T90s for now. Again I can't speak of T-14s or Armata but forget that one too. WHat Armata is the first tank ever Built that the turret can be controled by the crew guys automatically. That feature alone is powerful. But again not in any combat zone so I can't speak much for it.. Except the ones I have seen The almighty T-90. This is a confirmed deflecting of TWO missiles.. That capability the generation of all the Abraham taks do not have.. Againa T-90 is small and manuverable compared to Big for nothing manual loaded M-1..
Even your western war mongering media carried it here that T-14 is 20 years ahead anything.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3121195/20-years-ahead-West-WON-T-blow-like-predecessor-Brains-Russia-s-new-robotic-tank-reveals-secrets-machine-forefront-country-s-250BILLION-military-modernisation.html

Again in a proper warfare in Europe, the Germany Tanks will struggle over the most feared T-90. T-14 Armata =and t90 have a very strong APS (active protection system) both Eye and Infrared. For Russia to decide to sell T-90 abroad, it means it has decided to make T-14 Armata its main battle tank.

Forget it Armata has more powerful APS that javelin missiles may not penetrate because it explodes the Infrared lock on taget, deflects TWO missiles. Again I can't speak much for Armata because it has not been tested in any battle field but specs is something for the west to embark on a tank race. Plus it is Russian 5th generation main battle.

mazeltov:

3. Surface ships


With the largest Navy in the world, America has any surface fight in the bag if it happens in the middle of the ocean.

The crown jewels are the Navy’s 10 full-sized aircraft carriers and 9 landing helicopter docks. But the Navy’s technological advantages and sheer size might not be enough to overcome China’s missiles or Russia’s diesel subs if it had to fight in enemy waters.

Russia navy krivak

Russia still struggles with force projection, but the launch of Kalibr cruise missiles at ground targets in Syria proved that Russia has found a way to give even their small ships some serious bite.

An anti-ship version of the missile is thought to be just as capable and, if fired in a large enough salvo, may be able to overcome US ship defenses like the Phalanx. Russia also fields the Club-K missile system, a land-attack and anti-ship cruise missile system that can be hidden in shipping containers.

Building Massive pretty expensive Battle Ships is just old warfare Bully game that can work for may be against African countries or a few in Asia. When it comes to Navy. Russia showed to the world it now has Clubs missiles of 4000KM range. What this means is that any Ship within range is a sure dead suya so forget it. The whole of Middle east here is covered by those club missiles.

Those Big rubbish is just what it is. Junk.. And again no one mentioned Russian warship Moskva epuiped with S-400 misssiles. Russian warship Moskva packed in Lagos is enough to shoot down anything flying into NIgeria from the Occean. This is a highly defensive Russian warship.

Again if you go to China. CHina has supersonic cruise missiles but has never used it so I can't say anything about it.. Also something for the empire to be worried about.

mazeltov:
Topol M and ss-18? lolzz. I am so dissapointed that this is coming from you!!!! Tell me what Topol M ans SS-18 can do and Minuteman or UGM-133 Trident III Missile cannot do. Just name it

Trust RUssia to be always one step ahead..

One of the most powerful feature of the Satan is that... The only thing that can get near it after boost stage is within 500KM..A Trident equiped with Atomic missiles exploded 500km near a Satan on a mission will never explode satan..

That is is the one step ahead.. Super feature of Satan missiles.. Ability to withstand a detonated Nuk atmosphare..

And anothering thing is the super manuvering trajectory.. It can choose to fly around the world to hit target.

Zoharariel:


Pray tell, what is Amerika's counter-measures against the Russian Topol-M & R-36M(SS-18 Satan) ?

Is that supposed to be a real question?

You need to be reminded of Minuteman3

Zoharariel:


Pray tell, what is Amerika's counter-measures against the Russian Topol-M & R-36M(SS-18 Satan) ?

don't tell me that Russia is planning to defend its territory with S-400 or S-500 against Trident missile

scully95:


Trust RUssia to be always one step ahead..

One of the most powerful feature of the Satan is that... The only thing that can get near it after boost stage is within 500KM..A Trident equiped with Atomic missiles exploded 500km near a Satan on a mission will never explode satan..

That is is the one step ahead.. Super feature of Satan missiles.. Ability to withstand a detonated Nuk atmosphare..

And anothering thing is the super manuvering trajectory.. It can choose to fly around the world to hit target.

and you think that TRIDENT cannot do that? lolzzz

mazeltov:
and you think that TRIDENT cannot do that? lolzzz

Trident may be able to do it.. I am not saying it cant do it or be fired to Russia..

I'm saying Satan on a mission is unstopable. The best thing is not to allow it to happen..

OK.. The last time there was something of a similar reverse. That is Russia responded to the Arming of jets patroling the baltics with Nuk capabale on board.. Russia said, it will arm its Islander missiles with Nukes to shoot them down..

What Russia is telling you here is that anything fired in the whole of Europe against Russia can be shut down within minutes via that method alone..
Don't forget.. The Fearest Russian missile is Islander and this is because it's unseen by all the Nato Radars combined..


If Tridentis fired from U.S... It's more dangerious and could also hit target in Russia.. it's a lot easier to shoot it down at first boost stage. But once it enters the atmospher stage.. It's more dangerous..

Now the question is.. WHo can survive first and second strike... U think u will hit Russia first and Russia will just stand and say thank you ?

We speak of space or landmass.. Russia as it is today is still 2.7 times bigger than U.S..

If it comes to surviving a first nuclear strike.. Pls use your brain.. Russia will mostly survive it.. By the way only moscow has Anti-Nuclear missiles regiment on standby.

mazeltov:

don't tell me that Russia is planning to defend its territory with S-400 or S-500 against Trident missile

To shoot down a Trident fired into Russia.. It depends on what stage.. If you are talking you should try to analyze is very well.
To shoot down a Trident at boost stage is a lot easier.

To shoot it down at the last stage is the most dangerous. A trident fired at Russia is picked up within minutes it's fired. And To shoot it down, you will need to send multiple missiles at super sonic speeds not only that but also all the biggest jammers to the atmospher of Nukes..

Here you are not tagething the Trident .. You are tagething the Atmsphere and Neutrlizing the atmophere..

This is what this drill in the video bellow practiced..

Send mutiple missile to the atmophere of Nuks.. Note this is not just missiles.. All the electronic jammers is traveling with it..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71eF8HdZb8

Guyy your knowledge is limited.

US can have 2000 F22 but a hundred s400 & s300 is enough to bring them down. For tanks, Abram tanks might be as par with T-90 but what of Armata tank. What of ka-50 helicopter, I haven't talked of submarines cause Russia has more subs that US. Their are lot of things you didn't put into consideration.

You said other only work on what US have already but their are lot of things in Russian military that have no equally in US military. Even when we talk of electronic warfare US is nowhere close. Russian radar technology have no equal in US military and many other things.

NATO as a whole is not scared of Russia for nothing, it's simply because of what they are capable of doing.

Very flawed analysis from the OP.RUSSIA,US and CHINA can never go to war@the same time,if they do that wld be the end of human civiliazation...as for USstealth fighters ...lol...(im very sorry),.i was distracted by the thought of the 112million dollars F-117 'stealth' fighter,that was shot down by a russian S-125 system developed in the 60's...
As for tanks,T-90 has survived severe hits from US ToW missiles in syria,the same cant be said about the Saudi abrams M2 tanks which has been damaged several times by RPG-7 fired by HOUTHIS rebels in yemen..
When it comes to ICBM's,russia has the longest range/deadliest ICBM in the world..the R-36M with a range of 16,000km is the longest and heaviest icbm in the world..http://www.army-technology.com/features/feature-the-10-longest-range-intercontinental-ballistic-missiles-icbm/

Zoharariel:


Pray tell, what is Amerika's counter-measures against the Russian Topol-M & R-36M(SS-18 Satan) ?

Hilarious Clinton is the counter measure.

scully95:


Trident may be able to do it.. I am not saying it cant do it or be fired to Russia..

I'm saying Satan on a mission is unstopable. The best thing is not to allow it to happen..

OK.. The last time there was something of a similar reverse. That is Russia responded to the Arming of jets patroling the baltics with Nuk capabale on board.. Russia said, it will arm its Islander missiles with Nukes to shoot them down..

What Russia is telling you here is that anything fired in the whole of Europe against Russia can be shut down within minutes via that method alone..
Don't forget.. The Fearest Russian missile is Islander and this is because it's unseen by all the Nato Radars combined..


If Tridentis fired from U.S... It's more dangerious and could also hit target in Russia.. it's a lot easier to shoot it down at first boost stage. But once it enters the atmospher stage.. It's more dangerous..

Now the question is.. WHo can survive first and second strike... U think u will hit Russia first and Russia will just stand and say thank you ?

We speak of space or landmass.. Russia as it is today is still 2.7 times bigger than U.S..

If it comes to surviving a first nuclear strike.. Pls use your brain.. Russia will mostly survive it.. By the way only moscow has Anti-Nuclear missiles regiment on standby.

The regiment was created as a five divisions response to NATO's encroachment on the Western fronts of Russia.That is not Russias anti-nukes command,they are spread across strategic locations in Russia and can give emergency responses when nukes are bound for Russian airspace.

NaijaTalkTown:
The award for Basketmouth of the year goes to the OP.

He stated that America has the largest ship in the world but he did not tell us that Russia has the largest submarine in the world (submarines are meant to sink ships).

Also, Russia's Air force haven't fought a single war since 1991 until September 2015 when a small compartment was send to Syria to fight Daesh and guess what? What the US Air force couldn't achieve in 4 years, the Russian Air force achieved in 5 months (so the OP's claim that the US has the most recent combat experience which gives advantage to the US is a lie).

Talking of fighter jets, does the US has an ECM as good as the Russian Khibiny? How do you strike an enemy you can't see? The US MIC has been spending billions since 2013 to decode the Khibiny but they haven't succeeded so how do they fight Russian jets armed with it?

By trying to give the impression that America will defeat Russia and China in war shows that the OP knows nothing about war. America and Russia cannot defeat one another in a war, they will nuke themselves and everyone else to Armageddon.

Your sense is right there in your head, mind and eyes! There can never be any conventional war between Russia and the US to begin with. From the word go, the ''happy sound of flying nuclear pins'' would be the ''sad lyrics'' that will paint the skies and reechoe across the horizon, enroute to their destination of doom! Even Mazeltov, in a previous thread, has attested to this reality. I wonder why he is now creating a thread to the contrary.

They say, ''if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.'' This mush is true when we see analysis from both side of the divide narrowing the possible escalation of the historically tense friction between the world most capable militaries, down to an avalanche of ''conventionalism.'' That's a good thought to revere in. But unfortunately, the sad reality is that, when it comes down to Rus and the modern day Babylon, there are no wishful horses to ride. THERE CAN NEVER BE ANY CONVENTIONAL WAR BETWEEN THE TWO. The word ''conventional'' doesn't exist in the strategic book of their military planners! It would be Satan's Bombs from the very first shot.

On this ground, i always finds it difficult to engage in such discussions. And come to think of it: weapons, allies, and even money to a great extent, are not the best that determines who wins a war, especially of such magnitude as the one being envisaged. Even the best of strategy or the best laid plans do fail, and blow back like an Adrian Pirlo's rebounding freekick from the crossbar. Believe me! Aside Will Power, any war of this magnitude would primarily be determine by the chief determinator; the Cosmic Order. Have you ever wondered why the First World War ended in the ''Eleventh Hour, Eleventh Day, of the Eleventh Month? Well, that's it! The Cosmic Orderliness of Events. Brother, the Spiritual determines the Physical; depending on which ever way they might want the pendullum to swing. Once they get involvf, it will not matter your size or stature. They always hold the aces!

Missy89:



How will the "largest subs" get close to a carrier that is protected but a sub killer, frigates and destroyers? They would have to defeat an entire carrier group which is not an easy feat

My senorita, don't believe everything you read. Most are propaganda.

It is generally written and known that ''when the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, let alone on mission proper, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed. At least a dozen warships, like you rightly implied, provides a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the ''world's only military superpower'' offers an ''invisible shield'' to ''detect and deter'' any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory, which presupposes that a US Carrier group is invincible and cannot be reach, abi?.
But do you know they got the shocker of their lives when a Chinese Song Class submarine (modelled after the Russian Kilo class sub) in 2007, suddenly surfaced like a ghos, undetected, and dangerously close to the US Carrier, Kitty Hawk, passing all the accompanying ships, virtually obsoleting the so-called ''shield and detector,'' right in the midst of a US live navy excercise, that left the sailors an Pentagon boiling in anger? What does that tell you? Well, your guess is as good as mine.

But like i said earlier: it is impracticable to compare conventional might, because, they won't be the number one option when hostilities commence. We both know it is nuclear for sure.


Here is the link to that factual awakening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html


I don't think we should tow that conventional line anymore. It's just a fleething illusion.

Remain bless!

Like I said earlier the United States is overwhelmingly prepared to counter technological advancements from either China or Russia.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/new-us-defense-budget-18-billion-for-third-offset-strategy/

scully95:


Trust RUssia to be always one step ahead..

One of the most powerful feature of the Satan is that... The only thing that can get near it after boost stage is within 500KM..A Trident equiped with Atomic missiles exploded 500km near a Satan on a mission will never explode satan..

That is is the one step ahead.. Super feature of Satan missiles.. Ability to withstand a detonated Nuk atmosphare..

And anothering thing is the super manuvering trajectory.. It can choose to fly around the world to hit target.

Well said, man. One thing alot of people have failed to realize is that, warfare of the modern era, has gradually shifted from ''gigantic equipments'' to more mobile and portable capabilities. And when it comes to rocket technology, the sons of Rus are the knights that roams the Sherwood's Forest. Only God can save us in due time.

iblawi:
Guyy your knowledge is limited.

US can have 2000 F22 but a hundred s400 & s300 is enough to bring them down. For tanks, Abram tanks might be as par with T-90 but what of Armata tank. What of ka-50 helicopter, I haven't talked of submarines cause Russia has more subs that US. Their are lot of things you didn't put into consideration.

You said other only work on what US have already but their are lot of things in Russian military that have no equally in US military. Even when we talk of electronic warfare US is nowhere close. Russian radar technology have no equal in US military and many other things.

NATO as a whole is not scared of Russia for nothing, it's simply because of what they are capable of doing.

Exellent! The NATO part you mentioned should really be helping some people to see things they way they are. Some folks thinks that NATO still exist just for the fun of it. If only they understand what real politiks is all about, they would have known why the west is still keeping a body like that - the reality being Russia, but they chose to believe in propaganda.

Hypothetical scenarios about what country can outgun what country. An "argument" that is pointless, hence my refusal to even engage in such a "discourse".
By the way, what side do we really expect a Western news media would swing it to? So why bother?

One thing you we should all ask though is based on precedence and history, what country has seen wars through to the end, what country has shown the grit to stomach losses and hunker down no matter how bad the consequences were? And what country has displayed clear cut strategic goals, entry and withdrawal strategies? What country more than other has been bugged down by mission creep and endless wars and has failed woefully and consistently to win the "hearts and minds" of the "conquered" people?

So before we start talking of aircraft carriers, TOPOL-Ms, S-400s, stealth aircraft and what not, we gotta ask what country has wielded the military - and diplomatic - stick the best.

End of story.

NairaMinted:
Hypothetical scenarios about what country can outgun what country. An "argument" that is pointless, hence my refusal to even engage in such a "discourse".
By the way, what side do we really expect a Western news media would swing it to? So why bother?

One thing you we should all ask though is based on precedence and history, what country has seen wars through to the end, what country has shown the grit to stomach losses and hunker down no matter how bad the consequences were? And what country has displayed clear cut strategic goals, entry and withdrawal strategies? What country more than other has been bugged down by mission creep and endless wars and has failed woefully and consistently to win the "hearts and minds" of the "conquered" people?

So before we start talking of aircraft carriers, TOPOL-Ms, S-400s, stealth aircraft and what not, we gotta ask what country has wielded the military - and diplomatic - stick the best.

End of story.

I concur. If not that i was summoned by a fellow soulja, i just don't see my self comparing weapons here and there. It's plain childish and almost irrelevant, as the main damage would have been done before anything conventional can say ''jack robinson.''

so, you are very correct!

Appleyard:
Exellent! The NATO part you mentioned should really be helping some people to see things they way they are. Some folks thinks that NATO still exist just for the fun of it. If only they understand what real politiks is all about, they would have known why the west is still keeping a body like that - the reality being Russia, but they chose to believe in propaganda.

Yes, the only threat to NATO still remains Russian. if there is no Russia , there will be no NATO. Russian is what the entire Europe and America is scared of. China is not yet in that class but they are fast approaching.

Missy89:



How will the "largest subs" get close to a carrier that is protected but a sub killer, frigates and destroyers? They would have to defeat an entire carrier group which is not an easy feat

There is a difference between an air support/ bombing campaign and a air war. The VKS did not fight any air combat, they were roaming free over Syria. The only air skirmish they had ended badly.

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that the US MIC has been trying to "decode" Khibiny? Laughable lie

Please stop coming here to pollute this beautiful thread, you smelly FA.GGOT!