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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 7:07pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: Then by what spirit were you convicted to become born again? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Kay17: 7:25pm On May 14, 2016 |
I think Olaadegbu's point on objective morals is that they are as objective as God's Will. Since Divine Will is an objective though hardly ascertained fact, a reflection of it is as well objective. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 8:13pm On May 14, 2016 |
PastorAIO: lol. I wonder the kind of pastor your moniker claims you to be if you don't know the drill. well, lemme iterate. After you must have been convicted of your sins, evidenced by a session of wrenching tears, then you say with your mouth and believe with your heart(of course not head). Then your version of the Holy Spirit is released onto you. Thereafter, you understand the deep things of the Bible. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Kay17: 9:49pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: Then after you return to your sinner ways. Lying deceiving and etc |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 5:56am On May 15, 2016 |
Kay17:Well, there's a little tweak at this stage... Some Big Daddy Yahweh is ready to take responsibility now.... However, you must always remember to inform him of your sins in time... |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 12:58pm On May 15, 2016 |
Kay17: His point is a lot more than that o! He says that they are objective and he knows them. They happen to tally with his own personal prejudices (how lucky for him). The will of an omnipotent god cannot be thwarted therefore nothing can happen against his/her will. Or as Kuyuk Khan put it: And when you say: "I am a Christian. I pray to God. I arraign and despise others," how do you know who is pleasing to God and to whom He allots His grace? How can you know it, that you speak such words? Thanks to the power of the Eternal Heaven, all lands have been given to us from sunrise to sunset. How could anyone act other than in accordance with the commands of Heaven? That is what we have to tell you. If you fail to act in accordance therewith, how can we forsee what will happen to you? Heaven alone knows. The proof of any knowledge is prognosis. If you say you know the will of god then go to war and predict the outcome. If you are too chicken to go to war at least you can stick your neck out in faith in some way or the other. If you know then your prognosis will be correct. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:00pm On May 18, 2016 |
Brigance: Are you saying that you are able to create life? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 6:33am On May 23, 2016 |
Beautiful writeup. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 6:53am On May 23, 2016 |
finofaya: I laugh at your ingnorance. so if we are to depend on human moral values. what we will get is transgender,arbortion,Legal Sucide,gayism,same sex miarriage,mass killing,Religeous killing, Nudity .becos human moral is subjective. Since every human being has his or her own view of what is moral and what is not. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 6:56am On May 23, 2016 |
PastorAIO: He created us with the ability to make a Choice. Of what use having the knowledge of good and bad is.when you cannot do good by your own capacity? i hope you known that man's knowledge of good and bad is the problem we have in this world today. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 7:05am On May 23, 2016 |
EZEIGBO1OFIMO: Which Universe resonates on free will?. if the Universe resonates on free will .then why do we have gravity and other laws of nature? are they not their for our benefit? Same with God's moral values contained in his ten Commandments. their is no part of that law that we (Human's) have not benefitted from it. no one wants to be killed or lied to. no one wants his spouse to commit adultery. e.t.c the list is endless |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 7:09am On May 23, 2016 |
KAG: Which Children? all those Children were lost to idol worship. they were possessed by Demons. Do you know that liberals and atheist are the main advocate for abortion and de-population agenda ? so why contracdict yourself. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by finofaya: 7:24am On May 23, 2016 |
blueAgent: I laugh at your indoctrination. Explain why all the things you listed, except killing, are wrong. Then explain why every of your God's moral views should be correct. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 9:48pm On May 23, 2016 |
finofaya: I should ask you which of those things do you want to be done to you or you are invouled in? I guess you accept been lied to, you accept infiedelity or killing of your loved ones. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by finofaya: 10:55pm On May 23, 2016 |
blueAgent: Where is the explanation you're supposed to give? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 9:17am On May 24, 2016 |
finofaya: All human's have different view of what moral values should be. years back same sex marriage was frowned upon. today it is common .changing cultures and value systems have lead to moral decandence. Eg in US. their is debate of , weather to allow Male transgenders to use the same restroom facility with females. But God's moral values are constant they do not differ from time to time. or change with culture and they are independent of Human view. Like i said before show me one God's moral value that you do not agree to or is Globally unacceptable. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by finofaya: 10:00am On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: Wrong answer. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 10:04am On May 24, 2016 |
finofaya:So Explain to me. the source of moral values. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 10:41am On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: Where did you hear that? I put to you that you are wrong!! |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 10:48am On May 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Disprove it. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 10:48am On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: No, I don't even know what you mean when you say that man's knowledge of good and bad is the problem we have in this world today. I presume that you are referring to the story in the bible. In that case I'm sure that I have a different understanding of the story from what you have. Is it really the knowledge of good and evil that is the problem? Or is the the expulsion from the garden? Or maybe just the act of disobedience? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 10:49am On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: Bring the moral values that you claim are God's. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 10:53am On May 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO:You know the ten Commandments. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 11:00am On May 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Man's disobedience lead to the Knowledge.which is the problem. without Man's disobedience. man could not have known wat Lust,greed,or Murder is.he could not have found himself in a position to struggle between two choices. good and bad.which in most cases the bad one wins. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:19am On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: So the man is to be absolved for his disobedience because at that time he couldn't have know that disobedience was a sin. How did he face the choice whether to eat the fruit or not when before he ate the fruit 'he could not have found himself in a position to struggle between two choices.'? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 11:32am On May 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: God gave him instruction not to eat the forbidden fruit. that is freewill. Man had over a thousand other trees to eat from. except one. The event in the gardern of Eden was not just about man's loyalty to God. but about God's right to rule the Universe as the creator. which was been questioned and contested by the devil. millions of years even before God made man . the event at the gardern of Eden was watched by all the created beings .(Angels and demons) also by God and the devil. it was a major defining moment in the history of the Universe. Let me ask you .if you are told by an electrician not to touch only one live electric wire out of thousands other wires, for your own sake. would you not Obliege? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:48am On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: A. I don't accept your claim that the ten commandments are God's moral laws. But, B. I'll proceed as though I accept just for the sake of the argument. The ten commandments 1) 2) Numbers 21:8-9 3) 4) Acts 20:7 5)Luke 14:26 6)1Sam 15:3 7)Hosea 3:1 Proverbs 6:30 9) 10) This one na joke in light of the entire story of the entry into canaan. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:52am On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: Instruction is instruction. Freewill is Freewill. Please don't confuse me, you know I don't have the superior holy spirit intellect that you guys have. My question was very simple: When the man was disobeying, did he know it was wrong or not? Yes or no. Was he making a choice or not? Yes or no. Everything else na irrelevant sermon. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 12:01pm On May 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: He knew he was making a wrong Choice. definetaly he was making a Choice. U are trying to confuse yourself. Freewill does not prevent the act of been instructed or been advised. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 12:07pm On May 24, 2016 |
blueAgent: He knew his choice was wrong, so therefore he was aware of Good and evil already. Plus he was making a choice so you were wrong when you said: blueAgent: |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 12:10pm On May 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: How does this disprove God's moral laws. One of the biggest lie in christanity is the lie that the death of Jesus did away with the ten commandments. You can go through my profile to see my posts on the same arguement. i don't have much time to do that now. www.the-ten-commandments.org/were-the-ten-commandments-abolished.html www. the-ten-commandments.org/galatians_ceremoniallaw.html www. http://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/law-and-grace/jesus-vs-paul/ |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 12:28pm On May 24, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Not wrong in the sense of knowing what sin is. like having the knowledge, of lust , murder, greed,decit,envy. If Eve and Adam knew the conquences of their Choice . they would not have made that choice. that's why the Bible said they were Decieved. Adam and eve knew they did wrong by disobeying God. and that's while they hid themselves after the ate the forbidden fruit. To show you that they did not know knoweldge of good and bad.before they ate the fruit they were naked but were not ashamed of each other. but after they ate the fruit. their eyes were open(lustful eyes) they became ashmed of each other. Eg 8yrs old baby has no knowledge of lust ,greed,murder,envy. but does it stop them from making Small choices. at that age. if they been exposed or someone influencing them to make that choice for them could lead to life of struggle in Future. |
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