Tonye-t:

[font=trebuchet ms][color=#000099]Ttalks,

Are you trying to accuse me?, if i was same as gentle me, the best you wouldhave done was to quote the comment and atleast it would have had same format as Tonye's own with Gentle me's Id

Its so simple a logic, false accusation is a crime you know?

my man stop blabbing ,the mere fact at the apostles never practised tithing show that it is not relevent,The apostles commented  on marriage and other parts of the mosaic law that were incorporated into the new covenant.

There is no where in the epistles of the apostles that they commanded tithing or anything in the bible to show they practised it.Rather church collections were voluntary and even at that were used in taking care of the poor.

Paul for instance earned  his living from building tenths and not from tithe ,in his epistle to the thesalonians he  boasted ,that he had never received anythin wihout payin for it,he said he was setting an example for us to follow.

why on earth don't toay's pastors want to follow his example ?

Tithing was never practised for thr fist 500 years of christianity until it's introduction at the council of macon in 580 CE

@bobby
Go and read the passage and stop blabbing, I would have posted it here and highted the relevant verses but I am not with my laptop I am using my phone to post this. Special emphasis on verse 5,12 &18 when you read it.

Tonye-t:

Ttalks,

are you hungry, he posted and i did too, you saw mine as his and then come up to say i was him, aint that disorder?

hmmm, i aint gat time to answer you bro, or could you be trying to create some form of thread/topic diversion as its the customs of some peeps here? such arguments to me are simply but baseless and lack no attention. You saw someone putting on a face cap and then told another you saw a helmet, isnt that childish? *shakes head*

You have no proof. Recall that the true worshipers were being suppressed by the Roman church. You seem to have forgotten what your organization did to suppress truth. A lot of people are not aware that the truths of history went in obscurity. Revelation 12 describes that God's true church the woman was lead into the wilderness for 1260 years, which means that she was in hiding, while the false church prevailed.

Incidentally how come you are not the least concerned about all that property that is bequeathed to the RCC, and how rotten rich it has become off the sweat and blood of its members. Notice how richly clad the priests are? Notice how the instruments of communion are all gold laden?

How come you're so dead silent on such atrocities?

@bobby
If you read it and understood it then you would know that tithing is antichristian.

t is either that u are amazingly stupid or astonishly uneducated

like i said b4 I won't discuss issues other than tithes here,

Why on earth do u think apostle paul was fending for himself when he could have helped himself with tithes ?

why don't u provide a single bible quotation where christians practised tithing ?

how come biblical tithing frequency was increased from once in three years to the now monthly,weekly and daily tithing of today ?

Bobbyaf:

He fended for himself because that was how he chose to do it. Its that simple. He gave no command for pastors to fend for themselves. As usual you use one irrelevant topic to strengthen your opinion. Learn to make the distinction between an opinion and fact.

stillwater:

Na wa o. Ordinary 10% is making people vexed, lol. I will readily give mine.

1Co 11:1
(1) Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Php 3:17-19
(17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
(18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
(19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

These look like some serious expectations from Paul from us Christians.

And this is what Christ said to his apostles of which Paul is one of them:

Luk 10:16
(16) He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

pretty serious stuff, aight?!

Bobbyaf:

Its serious stuff alright, but Paul's personal opinion, which he gave in other situations, must not be made into a requirement. Must we forbid marriage as the Catholic priests have and use Paul's advice as a standard, or should we see it as just a recommendation? I hope not!

The point I am making Ttalks is that not everything that is placed under the Mosaic system automatically makes it bad, or legalistic. There were all types of laws that served different purposes back then that if were applied today would make much practical sense. There were financial laws, agricultural laws, quarantine and hygiene laws,
personal Laws etc.

Hence the tithing just happens to be one of those principles that is worth continuing. There is nothing in the NT that says it is a sin to tithe.

OLAADEGBU:

Written for Our Learning
October 1, 2009

"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." (Romans 15:4)

Let no modern Christian ever think that he can ignore the Old Testament and base all his faith and practice on just the twenty-seven books of the New Testament, as vital as they are. Even the apostle Paul, who wrote more of the New Testament than anyone else, depended heavily on the Old Testament Scriptures for his exposition of the New Testament doctrines he had received "by the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:12).

For example, in the longest and most doctrinal of all his epistles--that is, Romans--he actually quoted from the Old Testament no less than sixty times, even though the epistle had been specifically addressed to Gentiles (Romans 11:13).

In his letter to the Gentiles at Corinth, after an extensive discussion of the Old Testament account of the experience of the Israelites in the wilderness, he said: "Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come" (1 Corinthians 10:11).

In this passage, the word translated "examples" is the Greek tupos, from which we derive our word "types." Thus the experiences of the Israelites were actually revealed by God to be "types" of Christ and our relation to Him. Therefore, in addition to the many explicit prophecies about Christ in the Old Testament, many other Scriptures can be profitably expounded as "types" of Christ. Indeed, in all the Old Testament Scriptures, as Christ Himself taught, are "things concerning himself" (Luke 24:27). HMM

2Th 3:6-10
(6)  Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
(7)  For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
(  Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
(9)  Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
(10)  For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

This is not Paul's personal opinion.
This is what they expected of every Christian.

Mmmmh, people would always perish from lack of knowledge, I wonder why anyone would want to be living under a curse when grace is available.
@bobby
And is tithing one of the financil laws? Cause as far as the bible is concerned tithes should from agricultural produce and not money some crooks have twisted it to mean.

Bobbyaf:

Paul no doubt addressed missionary work. He speaks of personal experiences in terms of how he approached such work, and being the type of strong-willed person he was should we be surprised of such remarks? That was the typical Paul.  

In other sections of the Pauline writings he says, " those who preach the gospel should live by the gospel" In this day and age if there isn't a plan of systematic giving to support God's church, and its ministry it will fail.

Those who preach the gospel should live by the gospel is true.
But living by the gospel is what Paul declined to do and expected that others too should do so.

But fine, those who determine to live by it should live off the free will donations and offerings made by the people.If they can't survive on that, they have a problem.
The gospel is supported by what the people can and want to give and not by any tithes.

Paul's ministry throughout the bible was supported by the freewill donations and offerings of believers and never tithes.

Anybody reading tithes into any of those examples of giving is a liar.

Bobbyaf:

So, why didn't Paul make mention of so important a matter of not tithing, or tithing, as much as he addressed circumcision? You cannot impose Paul's approach to missionary work on Christians generally.

Paul spoke on issues based on context. He spoke out against circumcision, yet he circumcised Timothy.

Bobbyaf:

Its the same issue of why some Christians keep Sunday rather than the true Lord's day, isn't it? Is it the same misinterpretation of the Pauline writings that have led to such spiritual confusion?

People use the so-called abolishing of the law as an argument for not keeping the 7th-Day Sabbath, when in truth and in fact Paul kept the sabbath the way it should have been kept without having to emphasize it, and that is because it was already a given. Everybody kept it.

The same applies to the tithes. What the NT doesn't isolate as legalistic, or an act that insults God's grace, let it be. Its not like its posing a problem to any organization that practises it.

Tithers do not have a problem, so do not create one for us.

The issue of the sabbath is an issue for another day.

The thing here is those who tithe are of two groups:
- those who tithe according to the law; who expect blessings for it according to the law and believe that others who don't tithe are wrong and are robbing God.

- those who out of love for God and his creation, decide of their own volition to give 10% of their income to meeting needs of the people and that is all the motivation behind their giving of the tithe.

Bobbyaf:


I am not here to judge, but to promote. True tithers have reaped God's blessings, and can testify to that. Besides, Its God who has said that those who don't tithe are robbers, not me.

I believe in the bible not just the NT.  "All scripture is given by inspiration and is, "

bobby!!bobby!!

open your eyes ,stop wasting your money on criminals who call themselves men of God.

If Paul could succeed on his missionary activities without tithing I wonder who won't.

The fear that christianity will fail without tithing is misplaced,if It survived for more than

500 years without tithing ,it will always survive.


People should be encouraged to donate to the church of their own freewill,it is only

criminals who are in the church for pecuniary reasons will insist on tithing.

If JESUS ,while phyically here on earth did not receive tithes I wonder why he would

ask anyone to receive tithes on his behalf now that he is in heaven

There is no instruction left by Jesus for anyone to receive tithes on his behalf either in

the bible or by way of oral tradition,it is a heresy strauight from the pit of hell

Bobbyaf:

So what you're saying is that Jesus encouraged criminals when He encouraged them to contend with both the weightier as well as the lighter aspect of what is and was required.

Stop using Paul as an example because he is not my example, nor is he my guide. The eccentric Paul was his own individual, and often times expressed idealisms about how stuff should be done.

Its strange how Peter doesn't come into the picture.

Talk to them, they are so hallucinated. Greedy folks , i just dey get my increase dey go, while dem de here dey vex. God may you open there eyes to understand this spiritual thing called TITHE. In Jesus name! Amen! , I will be back to explain more when am done with my blog, so that they wont say i didnt warn them on the last day