Faith-healing couple who prayed and rubbed oil on the head of their sickly newborn instead of calling 911 WILL go to prison for letting him die

Dale and Shannon Hickman were found guilty of manslaughter in 2011
They were members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon
Their son David was born two months premature in 2009
He died hours after a home birth when couple refused to go to hospital
Their conviction was upheld last week by the state's Supreme Court
They will serve six years each in prison

An Oregon couple who prayed and rubbed olive on their dying son following a home birth rather than call 911 and seek help will continue to serve six years in prison each after a judge upheld their manslaughter conviction.

Dale and Shannon Hickman, both 30, were both convicted in 2011 of second-degree manslaughter for the death of their son, David, who died nine hours after his home birth in 2009.

David was born two months early at his grandmother's home with undeveloped lungs, and died after having trouble breathing and turning blue.
The Hickman's - members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon - had appealed their conviction, on the grounds that the prosecution had the burden to prove the couple knew their religious beliefs would cause the death of their child, The New York Daily News reported.
But the plea was rejected by the Oregon Supreme Court last week.

Last week a judge rejected an appeal made by the couple and reiterated that they could have done more to try and save their son.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html#ixzz4AM0g0x00

During the 2011 trial, a doctor had testified that David would have had a '99 percent chance' of surviving had the couple called 911.

The baby officially died of staphylococcus pneumonia, which could have been treated.

'As the evidence unfolded and the witnesses testified, it became evident to me and certainly to the jury … that this death just simply did not need to occur,' Judge Robert Herndon said.

Prosecutors explained during the trial that David was born with a bacterial infection and underdeveloped lungs.

Mr Hickman said he didn't call 911 because he was praying. The couple never considered taking the baby to the hospital, prosecutors said.

Shannon Hickman said that she must defer to her husband because of church rules.

'I think it's God's will whatever happens,' she testified.

The baby boy died quickly and there was no evidence that medical care would have saved him, Mark Cogan, defending, told the court.

The Followers of Christ Church has a history of rejecting medical care for children and relying on as prayer and anointing the sick with oils.

Five other church members have been convicted in Clackamas County for crimes related to the rejection of medical care for their children.

The Hickmans' conviction on second-degree manslaughter charges typically requires a mandatory minimum sentence of six years in prison.

But many feared that, because of a religious exemption in state law at time of the crime, they might have received just 18 months in prison and a $250,000 fine.

In response to deaths among Followers of Christ members, state lawmakers removed the religious defences from criminal laws this year.

Those exemptions had made it tougher to convict parents shunning a child's medical care for religious reasons instead of neglect.

The change will allow prosecutors to seek stiffer manslaughter or murder charges in faith-healing cases.

On Monday, Prosecutor Mike Regan said a message needed to be sent to the church that child abuse for any motive is still child abuse.

He said: 'These generally are good, decent, law-abiding folks, except in this one narrow area of their lives. One (area) where they have told us stubbornly – and arrogantly, if I may – that 'We are not going to change.'
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The law of civil society demands that they change. It demands that we sent a message to all of them that whether you believe this or not in Oregon, you cannot act upon that belief.'
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wo other parents from the church were convicted earlier this year for failing to seek medical care for their infant daughter.
She had a growth that could have left her blind in one eye - and they were sentenced to three months in jail.

Picture of the poor innocent baby.

If ya faith no fit carry you through abeg go seek the faith and wisdom of your medical doctor to carry you through

A couple months ago, a video was posted here of how a dead child was raised by a renounced pastor. Did you post that? or you simply labelled it as false, unverifiable information?? Yes!,while there are few cases like this, our Lord Jesus has proved and is still proving himself with diverse signs, wonders and miracles all around the globe.

Good for them

Amberon11:
A couple months ago, a video was posted here of how a dead child was raised by a renounced pastor. Did you post that? or you simply labelled it as false, unverifiable information?? Yes!,while there are few cases like this, our Lord Jesus has proved and is still proving himself with diverse signs, wonders and miracles all around the globe.

Also there are many cases doctors gave up on which got turn around by faith healing . Such were not given publicity

Amberon11:
A couple months ago, a video was posted here of how a dead child was raised by a renounced pastor. Did you post that? or you simply labelled it as false, unverifiable information?? Yes!,while there are few cases like this, our Lord Jesus has proved and is still proving himself with diverse signs, wonders and miracles all around the globe.

Lol. There is no proof that was even true. Why didn't god replicate that feat on the 21,000 children that die everyday due to hunger and disease?

Today, around 21,000 children died around the world

Some 21,000 children die every day around the world.

That is equivalent to:

1 child dying every 4 seconds
14 children dying every minute
A 2011 Libya conflict-scale death toll every day
A 2010 Haiti earthquake occurring every 10 days
A 2004 Asian Tsunami occurring every 11 days
An Iraq-scale death toll every 19–46 days
Just under 7.6 million children dying every year
Some 92 million children dying between 2000 and 2010
The silent killers are poverty, hunger, easily preventable diseases and illnesses, and other related causes. Despite the scale of this daily/ongoing catastrophe, it rarely manages to achieve, much less sustain, prime-time, headline coverage.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world

About 29,000 children under the age of five – 21 each minute – die every day, mainly from preventable causes.
More than 70 per cent of almost 11 million child deaths every year are attributable to six causes: diarrhoea, malaria, neonatal infection, pneumonia, preterm delivery, or lack of oxygen at birth.
These deaths occur mainly in the developing world. An Ethiopian child is 30 times more likely to die by his or her fifth birthday than a child in Western Europe. Among deaths in children, South-central Asia has the highest number of neonatal deaths, while sub-Saharan Africa has the highest rates. Two-thirds of deaths occur in just 10 countries.
And the majority are preventable. Some of the deaths occur from illnesses like measles, malaria or tetanus. Others result indirectly from marginalization, conflict and HIV/AIDS. Malnutrition and the lack of safe water and sanitation contribute to half of all these children’s deaths.

http://www.unicef.org/mdg/childmortality.html

What is the almighty god doing about this?

Joagbaje:

Also there are many cases doctors gave up on which got turn around by faith healing . Such were not given publicity

Please give proof.

Let the irresponsible deluded parents of the unfortunate innocent baby (who is a sad victim of the insanity of faith and sheepish belief) Pray themselves out of Jail with a tank of Oil

hahn:


Please give proof.

A woman I know . Give birth . Medically they said it's still birth . Baby was born dead . The nurses slapped the baby to cry multiple times but no response . She asked about the baby and when she was told she wouldn't take it . She took the. Baby and shouted COME ALIVE IN JESUS NAME . The baby cried and came alive she's about . 12 years old now.

There had been cases where doctors said a child was not well positioned and the woman must go through operation and a man of God stretch hand and baby comes out instantly .

Joagbaje:


A woman I know . Give birth . Medically they said it's still birth . Baby was born dead . The nurses slapped the baby to cry multiple times but no response . She asked about the baby and when she was told she wouldn't take it . She took the. Baby and shouted COME ALIVE IN JESUS NAME . The baby cried and came alive she's about . 12 years old now.

There had been cases where doctors said a child was not well positioned and the woman must go through operation and a man of God stretch hand and baby comes out instantly .

Hmm interesting. That is inspiring.

The only problem with religious claims is that no one else is ever there to verify and ALL religions have similar testimonies.

Every single one of the 4,000 different religions have claims of miracles. Do we say ALL the gods are powerful or that people simply attribute these instances to their own god.

Still, why isn't god doing anything about all the 21,000 children that die around the world. Check the post where I mentioned you and kindly share your opinion.

hahn:


Hmm interesting. That is inspiring.

The only problem with religious claims is that no one else is ever there to verify and ALL religions have similar testimonies.

Some were documented. I watched this live on a live television few years ago. Watched the miracle 1min 22seconds



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX43lBn3dEA

Joagbaje:


Some were documented. I watched this live on a live television few years ago. Watched the miracle 1min 22seconds



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX43lBn3dEA

My other questions nko?

hahn:


Still, why isn't god doing anything about all the 21,000 children that die around the world. Check the post where I mentioned you and kindly share your opinion.

The works is not in Gods hand . He's not the one running the show. Actually the bible calls Satan the god of this world system. God has made provision for us to live beyond the world system through his word. It's now our personal responsibility to apply the principles . Every evil is from Satan and we have the power to counter his works.

Joagbaje:


The works is not in Gods hand . He's not the one running the show. Actually the bible calls Satan the god of this world system. God has made provision for us to live beyond the world system through his word. It's now our personal responsibility to apply the principles . Every evil is from Satan and we have the power to counter his works.

Satan. The perfect excuse for god's incompetence.

What was god thinking when it created Satan? Didn't it know he would ruin the earth? If it knew why did it go ahead to create it? If it didn't know, why did bother to create us when it knew we would come to a world where what it created would subject us to suffering and hardship?

This god sounds confused

Every evil is from Satan and we have the power to counter his works.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Your god is responsible for evil. It said so itself in it's "holy" book

hahn:

Satan. The perfect excuse for god's incompetence.
What was god thinking when it created Satan? Didn't it know he would ruin the earth?

He gave will power. He didn't create robots. You have right to exercise your will power . He wants those who love him ,obey him or serve him to do it by their will.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Your god is responsible for evil. It said so itself in it's "holy" book

It's a law. Good for good men ,evil for evil men . You decide which way to go.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Joagbaje:


He gave will power. He didn't create robots. You have right to exercise your will power . He wants those who love him ,obey him or serve him to do it by their will.

It gave will power but everything that happens is it's will?

It's a law. Good for good men ,evil for evil men . You decide which way to go.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

A loving god will create only good. A psychopathic god will create evil then create humans in evil and then send them to hell for indulging in what it created

They deserve prison... cc Lalasticlala

hahn:


It gave will power but everything that happens is it's will?

not at all . the will of God is not automatic. you allow it by choice.

A loving god will create only good.

you're right. has what he did. He is light and he is a good God.

1john 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

A psychopathic god will create evil then create humans in evil and then send them to hell for indulging in what it created

he created only good until satan rebelled. so by justice, consequences were result of rebellion.

Joagbaje:




he created only good until satan rebelled. so by justice, consequences were result of rebellion.

If god is all knowing, why did it bother creating satan when it knew satan would eventually rebel?

If god is all forgiving, why didn't it just simply forgive satan instead of keeping malice for more than 5 billion years?

If god can perform miracles, why didn't it just touch satan's heart and let him become good?

hahn:


If god is all knowing, why did it bother creating satan when it knew satan would eventually rebel?

If god is all forgiving, why didn't it just simply forgive satan instead of keeping malice for more than 5 billion years?

If god can perform miracles, why didn't it just touch satan's heart and let him become good?

God defendants won't be able to answer this questions cos it will breed rational thinking.

UncleSnr:
God defendants won't be able to answer this questions cos it will breed rational thinking.

That is the intent

hahn:


If god is all knowing, why did it bother creating satan when it knew satan would eventually rebel?

He gave man free will. Just as some of you exercise your free will to insult him on Nairaland . He is a just God .

If god is all forgiving, why didn't it just simply forgive satan instead of keeping malice for more than 5 billion years?

He forgives those who ask for it. Question ,has Satan asked to be forgiven he rather is still busy mobilizing more people against God.

If god can perform miracles, why didn't it just touch satan's heart and let him become good?

It will be cheating and unfair it's drugging a lady to sleep with her without her consent . He is a just God. He doesn't want robot . He want meant to serve of worship him by his own free will.

Joagbaje:


He gave man free will. Just as some of you exercise your free will to insult him on Nairaland . He is a just God .



He forgives those who ask for it. Question ,has Satan asked to be forgiven he rather is still busy mobilizing more people against God.



It will be cheating and unfair it's drugging a lady to sleep with her without her consent . He is a just God. He doesn't want robot . He want meant to serve of worship him by his own free will.

So why punish people for exercising their freewill? Giving people freewill and telling them how to use it is not really freewill now is it?

Ranchhoddas:
So why punish people for exercising their freewill? Giving people freewill and telling them how to use it is not really freewill now is it?

The devil became a rebel and his sentence was destruction. God made a way of escape for everyone so as not to be destroyed . They have the right to choose which way to go. If they want the other way they made a choice . If they are ok with the choice , why should anyone complain

Joagbaje:


The devil became a rebel and his sentence was destruction. God made a way of escape for everyone so as not to be destroyed . They have the right to choose which way to go. If they want the other way they made a choice . If they are ok with the choice , why should anyone complain

It's not a choice if there's something attached, in this case heaven and hell.

Ranchhoddas:
It's not a choice if there's something attached, in this case heaven and hell.

It's rather a rescure from destruction .it like in a case of an epidermic and government made provision for immunization. Those who do it made a choice those who don't made a choice .

Joagbaje:


It's rather a rescure from destruction .it like in a case of an epidermic and government made provision for immunization. Those who do it made a choice those who don't made a choice .

The government is not omniscient. God is.

Joagbaje:


He gave man free will. Just as some of you exercise your free will to insult him on Nairaland . He is a just God .

What is the point of giving us free will if everything is it's will? That means me insulting it is part of it's "divine" will and not necessarily of my free will

He forgives those who ask for it. Question ,has Satan asked to be forgiven he rather is still busy mobilizing more people against God.

An ALL-FORGIVING entity doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness. Besides, it also claims to have UNCONDITIONAL love. In that case it doesn't need any condition, asking for forgiveness on satan's part or worshiping it on the part of humans, to forgive or love.

Check the meaning of UNCONDITIONAL @ www.dictionary.com before you answer that.

It will be cheating and unfair it's drugging a lady to sleep with her without her consent . He is a just God. He doesn't want robot . He want meant to serve of worship him by his own free will.

Proverbs 16:9

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

This verse obviously states that we DO NOT have free will because everything that happens is god's will.

hahn:


What is the point of giving us free will if everything is it's will? That means me insulting it is part of it's "divine" will and not necessarily of my free will

he already teaches us against curses . so it can't be his will. thats why he gave us his law and his word to learn and do.

An ALL-FORGIVING entity doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness. Besides, it also claims to have UNCONDITIONAL love. In that case it doesn't need any condition, asking for forgiveness on satan's part or worshiping it on the part of humans, to forgive or love.

if you discipline your child is that hatred or love.

Proverbs 16:9

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

This verse obviously states that we DO NOT have free will because everything that happens is god's will.

what it means is that when you make right decisions he establishes it.

Joagbaje:


he already teaches us against curses . so it can't be his will. thats why he gave us his law and his word to learn and do.

Really? The same god that ordered the Israelis to murder and loot other neighboring states is the same god who feels it has a moral standing against insults? Gerrahere mehn

if you discipline your child is that hatred or love.

It is out of love. But when you decide to burn your child and subject him/her to torture and suffering for ETERNITY, THAT is MADNESS and NOT love

what it means is that when you make right decisions he establishes it.

The verse isn't specific. It means WHATEVER one plans, god establishes. Unless you just want to interpret out of context