Even though some pro tithers having seen the fallacy of the tithing doctrine, they now resort to other forms of scriptural manipulation by asserting that tithes was before the law and they give the example of Abraham's one off voluntary tithes from war booty[not income] and Jacob's conditional promise to tithe. The question is is that any instruction in the bible to tithe based on Abraham's one off act or by Jacob's unfufilled conditional promise? But the ruth is that tithing in churches today is preached based on Malachi 3:8-10 which is based on the law and was compulsary. Now we know as christians we are not under obligation to up hold the obsolete jewish laws[which weren't directed us at us gentiles in the first instance]. The truth is that apart from the fact that we are not under obligation to keep the law it is actually very dangerous to attemp it as you would be placing your self under a curse by so doing;
Galatians 3:10-11:
10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.”11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”

The bile also makes it clear that you are cutting yourself off the grace of christ by trying to be right with God through keeping of the law. Christ as fufilled the purpose of the law and fatih in him means no longer keeping faith in the law. If you keep your faith in the law then you don't have faith in christ's grace and you are cut off from him:
Galatians 5:4:
4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

The purpose of the law
Galatians 3:21-26:
21 Is there a conflict, then, between God’s law and God’s promises? Absolutely not! If the law could give us new life, we could be made right with God by obeying it. 22 But the Scriptures declare that we are all prisoners of sin, so we receive God’s promise of freedom only by believing in Jesus Christ.23 Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed.24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. 25 And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. 26 For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

I just though i'd post the above passage to help us understand the pupose of the law better and why it is now obsolete becos God as revealed a better way[ faith in christ] to be put right with him. The above scriptures makes it clear that if we are trying to keep the law [which includes mandatory tithing] we do not have faith in the grace of christ. As christians faith in christ is central to our faith and if we don't have this faith we are simply not christians. What does this mean?? Your salvation could be be in jeopardy just becos you are trying to be right with God by upholding the obsolete tithing law which was never a part of the christianity handed down to us by the apostles. It is note worthy to remember that the apsotles also warned that false teachers would come and introduce false doctrines[like compulsary tithing] which they never taught for the sole purpose of making money from them.

Why am i preaching this truth about the false and heretic doctrine of tithes? Because the bible demands it:

Titus 1:11:
11 They must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it only for money.
When more and more people know the truth about the fallacy of tithing and other false teachings pastors would think twice before twisting gospel for the sake of making money.

Colossians 2:8:
8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.

Today many christians have been captured with empty philosophies and high sounding nonsense such as tithes which comes from human greed rather than the grace of christ.
Titus 1:14:
14 They must stop listening to Jewish myths and the commands of people who have turned away from the truth.

A very good example of jewish myth is tithes and the elusive blessings that is supoosed to come from it.

I get the message but whats the point of your topic title, that theres compulsory tithing and  also there exist compulsory tithing.?

babaearly:

I get the message but whats the point of your topic title, that theres compulsory tithing and also there exist compulsory tithing.?

I used the term compulsary tithing beos that is what is preached in most churches that promote the twisted doctrine. they preach from malachi 3:10 based on the jewish law which makes it compulsary for jews and twist the scripture to mis-apply it to christianity.

Another reason why compulsary tithing is dangerous is that it gives people a false sense that they have fufilled their christian obligation to give and they ignore the true essence of chrisitian giving which is to give to the poor and needy. The passage below deatails how christ recommended that we give to him. Please note that church giving talkless of tithes is glaringly absent.

Matthew 25:31-40:
The Final Judgment
31 “But when the Son of Man[a] comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations[b] will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[c] you were doing it to me!’


Moral of the story: Giving to the poor and needy is a christian obligation and is giving to God. Jesus never recommended we give to hime through our chuches/ pastors.

Bump!

I know this thread would give false teachers on NL a headache but I decided to resuscitate it all the same.

^^^

[size=15pt]I changed my mind.......I am now for tithe, no more anti-tithe teacher. You want to debate me? Try me if you can...... [/size]

Goshen360: ^^^

[size=15pt]I changed my mind.......I am now for tithe, no more anti-tithe teacher. You want to debate me? Try me if you can...... [/size]

James 1:8 - A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

JIL:

James 1:8 - A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

I don't understand what you're talking about......what is the essence of having a mind when it cannot be changed. . Do you want to debate me also?

Goshen360: ^^^

[size=15pt]I changed my mind.......I am now for tithe, no more anti-tithe teacher. You want to debate me? Try me if you can...... [/size]

My brother...wetin happen??u wan collect tithe??....:-)

Goshen360: ^^^

[size=15pt]I changed my mind.......I am now for tithe, no more anti-tithe teacher. You want to debate me? Try me if you can...... [/size]

I won't debate you if you promise to make me treasurer in your church when you start your own ministry.

Goshen360:

I don't understand what you're talking about......what is the essence of having a mind when it cannot be changed. . Do you want to debate me also?

Proverbs 17:27 - He who restrains his words has knowledge, And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.

Proverbs 29:20 - Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Goshen360: ^^^

[size=15pt]I changed my mind.......I am now for tithe, no more anti-tithe teacher. You want to debate me? Try me if you can...... [/size]

JIL:

James 1:8 - A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

lol

Me I want to read gist...Goshen why did you change your mind? And what exactly do you now believe about tithing?

JeSoul: lol

Me I want to read gist...Goshen why did you change your mind? And what exactly do you now believe about tithing?

He probably wants to open his open church business and start collecting tithes

ijawkid:

My brother...wetin happen??u wan collect tithe??....:-)

My brother, not only do I want to start collecting tithe......it is the "kingdom privilege and biblical rights" for ministers of the Gospel in which I am......Abi you sef wan debate me ni?

Pastor Kun:

I won't debate you if you promise to make me treasurer in your church when you start your own ministry.

So I don't promise you a treasurer in my ministry......will you debate me?

JIL:

Proverbs 17:27 - He who restrains his words has knowledge, And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.

Proverbs 29:20 - Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

What are you talking about still.....you are only quoting scriptures.....as if you are speaking in tongues of angels, kindly speak in tongues of men so I understand you bro. You wan debate me ni?

JeSoul: lol

Me I want to read gist...Goshen why did you change your mind? And what exactly do you now believe about tithing?

Thank you jare my sister.....you have asked wisely. I changed my mind because I just realized (from the word of God) I have been missing out on my "kingdom privilege and biblical rights" as a minister of the Gospel. Hence, I changed my mind so I can have my full rights and privilege. What I now believe about tithing is that, it valid as mentioned in NT. Abi you sef wan debate mi ni Am very sure you even dare me

Pastor Kun:

He probably wants to open his open church business and start collecting tithes

Nooooooooooo, don't jump to conclusion so fast. I have stated my reasons in my post above, kindly read it......You wan debate mi

Goshen360:

My brother, not only do I want to start collecting tithe......it is the "kingdom privilege and biblical rights" for ministers of the Gospel in which I am......Abi you sef wan debate me ni?

Lmao......

If u call am tithe I no dey o.....

I no go debate if only u go give me my cut...lol

ijawkid:

Lmao......

If u call am tithe I no dey o.....

I no go debate if only u go give me my cut...lol

Why y'all want your "cut". You think everything is all about "cut, cut"? Huh So will you debate me if I don't give you your "cut"? Seems it looks like everyone is fighting for their own cut now.......Well, there is MORE THAN ENOUGH to go round in the kingdom of God

I see frosbel viewing this topic and one unknown guest hiding in disguise......you wan debate me?

Viewing this topic: frosbel(m), Goshen360(m) and 1 guest(s)

@Goshen
Seems you are eager for a debate and you want to play the devil's advocate. I feel like some entertainment so I would accept your challenge to debate the topic

My first query would refer you to deut 14:22-29. That passage tells me clearly that if I choose to tithe, I can spend my tithe money on any food I like and even on strong drinks . This is my own biblical understanding of tithes. Using clear and un twisted
Scripture, kindly tell me how the bible defines tithes and how it is supposed to be practised.

Goshen360:

Why y'all want your "cut". You think everything is all about "cut, cut"? Huh So will you debate me if I don't give you your "cut"? Seems it looks like everyone is fighting for their own cut now.......Well, there is MORE THAN ENOUGH to go round in the kingdom of God

Lol...

Ok my comrade...

Start showing up the verses after Jesus's death that supports tithing...

Let's open d floor......

Still having weekend fun with this tungba....I will brb.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NP2YcCkFAY?version=3&hl=en

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBGHuhSMTns?version=3&hl=en

This weekend na Gospel tungba extra ......

This is awesome.....after this awesome praise and worship, I will proceed to minister the word and we will bless God with our TITHE and worship God with our substance. Glory to God


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Oo1HB2PYA?version=3&hl=en

Pay attention to the words/lyrics.....so inspiring


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXZQb3P3wQ?version=3&hl=en

Pastor Kun: @Goshen
Seems you are eager for a debate and you want to play the devil's advocate. I feel like some entertainment so I would accept your challenge to debate the topic

My first query would refer you to deut 14:22-29. That passage tells me clearly that if I choose to tithe, I can spend my tithe money on any food I like and even on strong drinks . This is my own biblical understanding of tithes. Using clear and un twisted
Scripture, kindly tell me how the bible defines tithes and how it is supposed to be practised.

There are three kinds of tithing - your reference above is related to one of those three tithing. How about the other two?

The words/lyrics of this video I love the most....Glory to God!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezyUo2l5cHs?version=3&hl=en

Goshen360:

There are three kinds of tithing - your reference above is related to one of those three tithing. How about the other two?

Tithe na tithe, why can't I opt for the type of tithing I prefer to practise as long as it is biblical?