@IMAGE123 ALL THIS RUBBISH U WROTE UP THERE AND U STILL DIDNT MAKE ANY SENSE IF U CANT PROVIDE PROOF THAT JESUS CHRIST DID EXISTED WHY DO U WORSHIP HIM? IS THE SAME REASON A BUDDIST WONT WORSHIP HIM EITHER CAUSE NO PROOF MEANING U ONLY BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIRT THROUGH FAITH AND THAT MEAN U ARE LIVING IN DENIAL U KNOW HE DOESNT EXIST BUT U STILL WORSHIP HIM THATS WHAT FAITH SIMPLY MEANS LIVING IN A LIE

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There're plenty of legitimate reasons to dismiss Christianity as pure nonsense... We do not need to twist facts to accomplish that. The story of his life might not have went down as portrayed in the Bible (of course, not!), but to say he NEVER existed is, to me, quite desperate.

KingEtienneSky:
There're plenty of legitimate reasons to dismiss Christianity as pure nonsense... We do not need to twist facts to accomplish that. The story of his life might not have went down as portrayed in the Bible (of course, not!), but to say he NEVER existed is, to me, quite desperate.

Notice i changed the topic from jesus to jesus christ??

Lilbrown007:
@IMAGE123 ALL THIS RUBBISH U WROTE UP THERE AND U STILL DIDNT MAKE ANY SENSE IF U CANT PROVIDE PROOF THAT JESUS CHRIST DID EXISTED WHY DO U WORSHIP HIM? IS THE SAME REASON A BUDDIST WONT WORSHIP HIM EITHER CAUSE NO PROOF MEANING U ONLY BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIRT THROUGH FAITH AND THAT MEAN U ARE LIVING IN DENIAL U KNOW HE DOESNT EXIST BUT U STILL WORSHIP HIM THATS WHAT FAITH SIMPLY MEANS LIVING IN A LIE

The onus lies on you little fellow. You brought up a thread stating that Jesus never existed. The reasonable thing is for you to tell us why you think so. How do you come to the conclusion that Paul existed, or that this nameless fellow who you seem to have his record existed?

Image123:


The onus lies on you little fellow. You brought up a thread stating that Jesus never existed. The reasonable thing is for you to tell us why you think so. How do you come to the conclusion that Paul existed, or that this nameless fellow who you seem to have his record existed?

Yes, there is historical evidence that Paul was a real person. He is the author of 1 and 2 Corinthians, 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, Romans, etc. As far as I know, no reputable scholar denies the reality of the person Paul. He is credited by historians for being the chief architect of the spread of Christianity to the Greeks in the Roman Empire. Even hard line skeptics such as Robert Price and Bart Ehrman agree that Paul was a real person and that he wrote at least some of the books of the New Testament.

And Yes I Just Did My Research And Found Out That Jesus Did Exist But His Name Was Yeshua And Not Jesus!! If U Noticed I Changed The Title Of The Topic To "Jesus Christ"

A Jewish man sends his son to Israel to live there for a while. Eventually he returns home and he is now a Christian. The man finds this to be odd and mentions it to his friend.

The friend listens, thinks for a moment and says, "That's odd. I sent my son to Israel as a Jew and he returned as a Christian."
So the two of them went to see the Rabbi.

They told the Rabbi the story of how they had both sent their sons to Israel as Jews, and how both sons had returned as Christians. The Rabbi listened, thought for a minute and then said "That's odd. I also sent my son to Israel as a Jew and he returned as a Christian."

So the three of them decide to go to Israel to find out what's going on over there. The arrive and go straight to the Western Wall to pray. They explain to God all about how they sent their sons to Israel as Jews and how the all returned as Christians."
There is a long silence, and then God begins to speak saying, "That's odd........ "

Lilbrown007:
Yes, there is historical evidence that Paul was a real person. He is the author of 1 and 2 Corinthians, 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, Romans, etc. As far as I know, no reputable scholar denies the reality of the person Paul. He is credited by historians for being the chief architect of the spread of Christianity to the Greeks in the Roman Empire. Even hard line skeptics such as Robert Price and Bart Ehrman agree that Paul was a real person and that he wrote at least some of the books of the New Testament.

So, you believe that Paul existed because some people said so? Okay.

Lilbrown007:
And Yes I Just Did My Research And Found Out That Jesus Did Exist But His Name Was Yeshua And Not Jesus!! If U Noticed I Changed The Title Of The Topic To "Jesus Christ"

Bla bla bla, next time do proper research before coming to confuse the gullible like you. It is common knowledge that Jesus is Jesu in yoruba, and Yeshua/Joshua meaning SAVIOUR in Hebrew. God the Father is also the same One referred to as Jehovah or Yahweh or YHWH.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
http://bible.com/1/1co.1.18.KJV

Image123:


Bla bla bla, next time do proper research before coming to confuse the gullible like you. It is common knowledge that Jesus is Jesu in yoruba, and Yeshua/Joshua meaning SAVIOUR in Hebrew. God the Father is also the same One referred to as Jehovah or Yahweh or YHWH.

YEAH And My Research Also State That The Account Of Him In The Gospel Are Also Wrong Some Other Place I Read He Married Mary Magdalene

Image123:


So, you believe that Paul existed because some people said so? Okay.

Stop Trying To Play On My Inteligence Bro If U Cant Read Then Go And Learn How To Read

Lilbrown007:
Yes, there is historical evidence that Paul was a real person. He is the author of 1 and 2 Corinthians, 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, Romans, etc. As far as I know, no reputable scholar denies the reality of the person Paul. He is credited by historians for being the chief architect of the spread of Christianity to the Greeks in the Roman Empire. Even hard line skeptics such as Robert Price and Bart Ehrman agree that Paul was a real person and that he wrote at least some of the books of the New Testament.

U know Bart Ehrman wrote a book a few years ago arguing against Robert Price, Richard carrier, etc view that Jesus didn't exist.

The fool says in his heart there is no God...

Here's a clip where Bart Ehrman talks about historical jesus :

http://zinkhd.com/video/o4q3WlM9rCI/did-the-historical-jesus-exist-bart-ehrman

Or if u prefer YouTube :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4q3WlM9rCI

This kind of unbelievers' stuffs should have a special section called "Atheists' section".

Richirich713:


U know Bart Ehrman wrote a book a few years ago arguing against Robert Price, Richard carrier, etc view that Jesus didn't exist.

Which Of His Book Cause Right Now Am Reading How Jesuse Became God by Bart Ehrman

Raphael81:
The fool says in his heart there is no God...

THE Wise Don't Say It In His Heart/Mind The Wise Says It Out Loud

orunto27:
This kind of unbelievers' stuffs should have a special section called "Atheists' section".

Lol Y Don't U Create It?? Or Do U Want Seun To Do The Atheist Section Like The Muslim Section That U Will Have To Convert Ur Faith To Atheist B4 U Can View The Section?? It Will Be Written In Ur profile I Am A Proud Atheist

Cozystuff:
One major attribute of an atheist;
They claim there is no God but still make all post about God,follow all the post about God, comment on all the post about God in anger to claim there is God in an effort to assure themselves that they are right cos they know deep down they might be fooling themselves.

Disbelief in 'Jesus' does not make one an atheist. Surely you realise this.

DMLords:


Who cares if Jesus existed or not? How is this argument going to be beneficial to the ordinary Nigerian youth that is struggling to get by?

If you are so intelligent, write an expose on how to end poverty and stop worrying yourself about Jesus, God and Religion.

If you have seen any person of faith, whether they believe in Jesus or the turtle around their necks, you will know that no amount of words can deter them.

So bros, write on ending poverty, hunger and disease and leave Jesus, God and their followers to rest.

Atheism is supposed to enlighten one so that he can control the chaos inside him, around him and beyond and not to argue why Jesus never existed and why God is a myth.

You are becoming more like the religious people you write about by trying to convert everyone to atheism. Live and let Live or even better, Live and teach others to Live like boss Ymodulus!

Funny how people like you keep silent when christians evangelize up and down with reckless abandon, only to grow all loud and sensible when someone comes up challenging their nonsense.

Lilbrown007:

Which Of His Book Cause Right Now Am Reading How Jesuse Became God by Bart Ehrman

"Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth"

Rossikki:


Funny how people like you keep silent when Christians evangelize up and down with reckless abandon, only to grow all loud and sensible when someone comes up challenging their nonsense.

You made conclusions like you know me. Sad! But amma let it pass cause this is just an online forum.

Let me make this point again: I am not an atheist and I can never be one but I am a free thinker believing solely in myself to dictate roles of people and happenstances in my life as much as I can.

Do I listen to christian or Muslim evangelists? No! Will I listen to an atheist evangelist? Hell No!

Why?

Because I believe that everyone is free to seek his own answers and not be coerced or pressured into it.

To be specific, we need forums for christian Muslim atheist and free thinkers and if an individual begins to search for the path of enlightenment, he should seek out those forums himself, ask his questions and make his mind up. Totally his business.

What we need is to get people out of the suffering they dwell in. I just happened to bury a sickle cell kid who died from malaria because his momma didn't have 1500 naira to buy emal( an anti malaria injection for celebral malaria)

So tell me is the woman's primary problems Jesus Mohammed Buddha or "God doesn't exist" that all you atheist and your religious counterparts go preaching about? Not at all!

I careless what you believe as long as we can create a better world together dude.

This year, I intend going from nothing to something. Join me as we walk the part of becoming Gods ourselves then we can finally prove to the world that the gods exists and We are They!

Congratulations on your enlightenment!

CBC Lilbrown007, cloudgoddess et al

Richirich713:

"Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth"

I Think I Have It

Rossikki:


Funny how people like you keep silent when christians evangelize up and down with reckless abandon, only to grow all loud and sensible when someone comes up challenging their nonsense.

Here is my argument from another angle:

Atheism becomes bigotry when it makes prejudicial statements about religious people. Prejudice is prejudice and intolerance is intolerance, and both are irrational regardless of who commits it. Despite its scientific pretensions and its pronouncements of love for reason, many atheists offer arguments laden with logical fallacies of hasty generalization, strawman arguments, and most of all ad homenim attacks. They are, in fact, fundamentally no different in all of this from the islamic or other religious fundamentalists.

The arguments of Dawkins and Hitchens, et al. are, in their structure, no different than the arguments of bigots like Osama Bin Laden, James Dobson and Gary Bauer. The atheist will say “but I don’t condemn people to hell.” Yes, but only because you don’t believe in hell. What is important is the condemnation itself, not what you think should happen to those you condemn.

Read more https://www.nairaland.com/3203415/bigotry-atheism

Free thinkers on the other hand do not condemn people nor participate in bigotry nor try to convince anyone to join them. Naaa! That is for the religious and atheist fundamentalist.

We accept people, focus more on their humanities than their spirituality or belief system

I hope you have seen the light?

cc Lilbrown007
cloudgoddess

DMLords:


Here is my argument from another angle:

Atheism becomes bigotry when it makes prejudicial statements about religious people. Prejudice is prejudice and intolerance is intolerance, and both are irrational regardless of who commits it. Despite its scientific pretensions and its pronouncements of love for reason, many atheists offer arguments laden with logical fallacies of hasty generalization, strawman arguments, and most of all ad homenim attacks. They are, in fact, fundamentally no different in all of this from the islamic or other religious fundamentalists.

The arguments of Dawkins and Hitchens, et al. are, in their structure, no different than the arguments of bigots like Osama Bin Laden, James Dobson and Gary Bauer. The atheist will say “but I don’t condemn people to hell.” Yes, but only because you don’t believe in hell. What is important is the condemnation itself, not what you think should happen to those you condemn.

Read more https://www.nairaland.com/3203415/bigotry-atheism

Free thinkers on the other hand do not condemn people nor participate in bigotry nor try to convince anyone to join them. Naaa! That is for the religious and atheist fundamentalist.

We accept people, focus more on their humanities than their spirituality or belief system

I hope you have seen the light?

cc Lilbrown007

Free Thinkers Are Also Atheist But Answer Me This If U Ain't In Any Of The Religious Group Aren't U An Atheist?? I Guess U Don't Know What Atheist Mean Then...I Saw U Had A Philosophy On "We Are All God" What Does That Mean?? Without Supernatural Power?? Isn't That An Atheist Part Too?

Now Ur Argument On Bigotry Atheist Yes Atheist Can Be Intolerant "WE Are In The Age Of Knowing The Age Of Belief Are Over" But I Do Agree With Ur Reasons Sha

Lilbrown007:

I Think I Have It

Here's a ebook(350 kB epub file) of it:

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=E7A62DDB8BBF91A2B593A7976493B7F1

Richirich713:

Here's a ebook(350 kB epub file) of it:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=E7A62DDB8BBF91A2B593A7976493B7F1

This Guy Is So Good

Lilbrown007:
THE Wise Don't Say It In His Heart/Mind The Wise Says It Out Loud

What made you to drift into the wonderful path of atheism

Lilbrown007:

This Guy Is So Good

U should read it, Bart agrees with what I said earlier about pagan parallels to Jesus being made up.

Raphael81:

What made you to drift into the wonderful path of atheism

We Were All Atheist Bro