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South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by LRNZH(m): 2:30pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBmsRZd1Iw Courtesy: BBC News There were euphoric scenes when South Sudan gained independence from Sudan on 9 July 2011 following years of war. But independence has not been everything that the South Sudanese had wished for. See transcript below: 5 years of South Sudan Is another wave of independence the solution for Africans? Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36744700 cc: Seun, Lalasticlala, Mynd44 |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by SeverusSnape(m): 2:37pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by yanshDoctor: 2:45pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
and it has getting to 5 years this fast. |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by attackgat: 2:46pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
At least they are free. South Sudan is an example to the "one Nigeria or we all die!" Crazies out there that no union is permanent |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by chaloner(m): 2:50pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
By 2020 it will be 4years of united of biafra independence. |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by LRNZH(m): 2:59pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
attackgat: I don't think you understand the history of South Sudan. If there is one country that should deserve independence, it is South Sudan. More than Erithrea, Somaliland, Namibia, Northern Mali, Biafra or Western Sahara. The South Sudanese had nothing in common with the over 70% Arab population in present day Sudan, hence were heavily marginalized. They got independence 5 years ago, after 20 years of warfare only to be held hostage by power struggle between 2 men. Just 2 Men. President and former VP. This is my fear for a lot of other African breakaway regions that want independence. In a big country like Nigeria, 2 people cannot hold the entire population to their whims. But if we splinter, then this becomes a reality in Biafra, Oodua Republic, Arewa federation etc. We should think deep about what we wish for ourselves. |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by Victorvexz(m): 3:00pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
chaloner:Keep dreaming |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by chaloner(m): 3:03pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
LRNZH:u didnt make sense. Even abacha hold Nigeria hostage only remove by divine power. Cal me back any time u get wat to say. Imagine.. 1 Like |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by chaloner(m): 3:04pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
Victorvexz:its good |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by sanandreas(m): 3:04pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
The north reeeks oppression any where in the world. No wonder the Bible says fear North. Liberation is not far away. |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by LRNZH(m): 3:09pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
chaloner: The "apple" wey Abacha chop na God come down from heaven give am? There are too many diverse interests in Nigeria to try an "Abacha", "Babangida" or "Third-Term" and you will not be forced-out in due time. Or are you saying God doesn't like the other smaller African countries like Equatorial Guinea, Cameroun, Angola, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Chad, etc that their leaders are still holding them hostage for over 20 years? Stop shallow-minded thinking my friend. Lalasticlala, come spread small sense abeg |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by chaloner(m): 4:28pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
LRNZH:now i knw u re stil a child. Apple? U among d folks d bliv in tales? Cnt discus wit u Na |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by LRNZH(m): 4:33pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
LRNZH: chaloner: If you are ready to have a serious and meaningful debate, you need to read and comprehend well. Even if I remove the word "apple" in that comment, the import of the message there is very clear. Do not use the shortcomings of your comprehension ability to assume that everyone else is just as dumb. |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by attackgat: 7:09pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
LRNZH: I get where you are coming from. Igbos have no historical connection whatsoever with Hausa/Fulani and Yoruba people but you hear a Yoruba and Hausa man talking about 'one Nigeria' as if that term means anything. When the Igbos declared their independence under the great Ojukwu, those two groups came down to the East to start a war and kill 3 million people because Lord Lugard told them we are one. At the end of the day, freedom and independence is a right, not a privilege. That's why those who agitate for Biafra will always morally better than those who want 'one Nigeria'. |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by LRNZH(m): 7:31pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
attackgat: [b]First, I appreciate your mature response. Thank you. However, I disagree with you on the difference between Hausa, igbos and Yorubas. There are very few homogenous African countries in terms of tribe and culture (due to colonialism of course). We are not peculiar. The Igbo people are not suffering any peculiar discrimination that other tribes in Nigeria are not facing. If they were they would have clamoured for secession under GEJ. It smacks of hypocrisy that once GEJ lost the 2015 elections, all of a sudden the secession cockroaches came out of the woodwork. Secondly secession has not conferred any advantage to a single African country. The history is clear for all to see. None of Eritrea, South Sudan, Namibia are doing better than Ethiopia, Sudan or South Africa where they broke away from. Meanwhile we are enjoying a lot of advantages that we would lose if we splinter. For a big country like Nigeria, we get some advantage from our size. Big economy, big market, stronger military, we can easily be self sufficient in different type of agricultural products, diverse geography, the list is endless. If the various parts of Nigeria secede today all those advantages will be lost for no other advantage. We have to use our reasoning and remove emotional reactions. Do you (secessionists) realise that presidential power will still return to the South in the future? And when it does you have set another precedent for the rest of the country to raise up all sorts of storm make the country ungovernable? This game your likes are playing is very short-termist, not thinking about the implications of your actions when power returns to your axis. Had Biafra succeeded in 1967, it is very likely that Ojukwu (by his nature) would have been president until his death a few years ago. Biafra would easily have been like all those smaller African countries where they have a serving president for life. [/b] Lalasticlala, you dey so? |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by attackgat: 8:08pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
LRNZH: You completely missed the point. There has been a clamour for secession all along. MASSOB was there long before GEJ ever came to power. It does not matter if any of the ethnic nationalities in Nigeria such as Igbos want to secede because Buhari came to power or because it didn't rain in Madagascar yesterday, their right to leave superceeds anything else. Even if your wife or girlfriend decides to end the relationship because she doesn't like colour of your socks, you have no choice in the matter. If Igbios want to go, they have the right to go. When and why is not as important as their right to go. Nigeria is a creation of the White man, none of the indigenous ethnic nationalities ever formaly agreed to be part of it. You talked about advantage of Nigeria being a big nation. Nobody is interested in size when it counts for nothing. Nigeria is a country of 170 million people but has close a 70% porverty rate. Belgium is just about 10 million people but is richer than Nigeria. It is far better to be smaller and more effective than bigger but useless. The secessionist are not interested in the presidency of Nigeria. The presidency has not helped those that have held it before. Ask Yorubas what they gained from OBJ or as Ijaws what they gained from GEJ, nothing. Bottomline is that Nigeria has never worked as a nation and never will and no amount of grandstanding is going to change that. The sooner everone admits it, the better. Oil, water and milk do not mix and if anyone firces a mixture of all three, something nasty will be the end result 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by Nobody: 8:13pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
LRNZH: You made so much sense. |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by LRNZH(m): 8:21pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
attackgat: The United Nations under its Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People provided citizens of member states with the right to self-determination. This right empowers every citizen to agitate for the separation of his or her region from a recognized or sovereign nation that it belongs to. However, that right is not absolute as it comes with some conditions. One of those conditions is that any region that wants to enforce the provisions of the declaration must be able to prove that it is a victim of continuous persecution and established discrimination by the present state. Tell me which discrimination the Igbos have peculiarly undergone that is enough to warrant this right of secession. I am waiting..... |
Re: South Sudan's 5 Year Independence Anniversary - BBC News by attackgat: 4:52pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
LRNZH: First, it important to note that Lord Lugard did not go the United Nations when he was creating Nigeria. He just came to West Africa and forced everyone together and this makes the Union of Nigeria since ethnic nationalties never agreed to it in first place. When it comes to persecution, the Igbos can argue a long train of massacres since the creation of Nigeria such as: The 1945 Jos riots The 1953 Kano massacre The 1966 massacre where 50,000 Igbos were massacred The civil war that claimed over 3 million lives. Igbos can argue that they have lost millions of lives because Lord Lugard put them in Nigeria. When you talk about the right of secession, take Britain for example. Britain are our colonial masters yet the same Britain respected the right of the Scottish people to secede and granted them a referendum. Nigeria should respect the right of any of the indigenous people that were forced into the Union of Nigeria by Lord Lugard to ask for the return of their sovereignty and to exit Nigeria if they so wish 1 Like |
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