chinese8107:

there is a saying in china
civil defence 城管are the most elite troops。
all that they can do is to beat some pedders.

052D class DDG: at least 12 are expected to be commissioned by 2020


052C class DDG: the Navy’s first aegis-type AAW DDG, six built and in service


052B class DDG: two built, two in service

051 class DDG: seventeen constructed, only five remain in service and are likely to be retired in the near future


054A class FFG: 22 in service, with a total of at least 24 expected by 2020

Comparing an 056 with an 054A in length


Comparing an 056 with an 054A in beam


056 features a small but modern CIC

MikeCZA:
There are different versions of the ARHLAC.

The military version is named Mwari.

Missiles, bombs (dumb and smart), radar (most COIN planes don't carry one), cannon etc.

Wish Denel A-Darter missile or any missile in that class to be intergrated on the plane. Giving it anti-helicopter capabilities.

Take several seats with your Mwari! There's no way a slow single engined low payload would be used for anything but poaching/border watch ops!! Chinese8107,hold your peace,please.

there are many similiar aircrafts like Pucara to chose from .

lets take the example of Pucara
what you can do is after buying the productions rights aka blue prints etc is
1.make use of composites and other high strength light weight alloys to replace the suitable parts of the fuselage etc. this will help you to set up national base in the areas of composites and aerospace metallurgy.
2.go for a glass cockpit with modern multifunction MFDS together with the related subsystems like digital processors etc required to run them. u can either develop them in house or u can bring them from abroad and then integrate them . system integration is a difficult thing to master , and if done properly gives you the leverage to expand to other platforms be it aerospace, naval or land systems.
3.u can then go for integrating weapons of your choice on the Pucara by undertaking flight evaluation , testing , certifications of the said weapons. this again is a complex task and if done successfully will allow you to gain proficiency to under take similar weapon qualification tests on other aerial platforms.
5.u can also go for installation of optonics etc , most of the optronics are now days drop and install type , but again system integration skills will allow you to exploit the optronics for ur specific needs all by urself or to get the vendor to make necessary changes to suit your specifications.u will build necessary skills for trouble shooting any problems be it be related to identification , isolation fault analysis and then rectification. it will help to develop hardware in the loop (HIL) stimulation, Software in the Loop (SIL) stimulation , wind tunnel testing , Computational fluid dynamics (CFD) and their analysis relating to clean weapon separation/weapons carriage etc, other stimulation and testing techniques in house for future use.

etc etc . grin

advantages of the above suggestions of mine
1.u get a better , more powerful aircraft tailor made to ur needs inhouse.
2.u develop R and D base to exploit what u learnt from doing the above for future exploitation
3.u save foreign exchange , bring employment to ur country
4.u get sovereignty over the said platform
5.u can keep on improving the aircraft to suit ur needs with time and changing threat perceptions
6.u get national pride and inspire similar projects

Nemesis2u,as I thought you're the only one who could attempt what I'm looking for. If its not too much trouble could you attempt a ball park figure for this redesigned Pucara with the new parameters? Thanks.

kikuyu1:


Take several seats with your Mwari! There's no way a slow single engined low payload would be used for anything but poaching/border watch ops!! Chinese8107,hold your peace,please.

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It's performance is competitive with aircraft within it's class like Brazilian Super Tucano.

Both are powered by a single Pratt & Whitney Canada turboprop engine. The Pucara is powered two less powerful engines. Planned upgrades includes using P & W engines.

Regarding payload the Argentine aircraft is only rated at + 6G. The other two aircraft have 5-6 hard points.

The Mwari and the Super Tucano will have better sensor systems, EW suites, weapons etc

Remember the Rhodesian Lynx aircraft?

It is similar(To the Mwari) in design with twin tail booms. Used effectively in light strikes, counter insurgency, airborne communications relay, over watch etc. Armed with rockets, bombs (napalm, cluster etc), Twin 7,7mm machine guns etc. The small arms danger is reduced by the aircraft's capability to carry missiles and smart bombs with a bit of stand off range(4km+).

MikeCZA:
It's performance is competitive with aircraft within it's class like Brazilian Super Tucano.

Both are powered by a single Pratt & Whitney Canada turboprop engine. The Pucara is powered two less powerful engines. Planned upgrades includes using P & W engines.

Regarding payload the Argentine aircraft is only rated at + 6G. The other two aircraft have 5-6 hard points.

The Mwari and the Super Tucano will have better sensor systems, EW suites, weapons etc

Remember the Rhodesian Lynx aircraft?

It is similar(To the Mwari) in design with twin tail booms. Used effectively in light strikes, counter insurgency, airborne communications relay, over watch etc. Armed with rockets, bombs (napalm, cluster etc), Twin 7,7mm machine guns etc. The small arms danger is reduced by the aircraft's capability to carry missiles and smart bombs with a bit of stand off range(4km+).

I think the hardest thing is the price, having smart muniton or not is an option, but with $ USD 5-7.5 mn price range and 3 tons payload,very little country can make this. Antonov An-2 An-3,Chinese Y-5 is cheap but payload not enough ,needs to upgrade to use composite material add some contermeasures against MANPADS. the same as Pucara.

It won't be easy,as new plane needs lot of tests,adding to the cost.it's like re-design a plane

The Austria Diamond DART450 is good trainer but payload not enough for COIN.This company has good experience making civilian air craft but not many expericence making military plane.it does not have to as civilian plane is their biggest market.if they want to enter militray plane field,they have to find partner..

chinese8107:


I think the hardest thing is the price, having smart muniton or not is an option, but with $ USD 5-7.5 mn price range and 3 tons payload,very little country can make this. Antonov An-2 An-3,Chinese Y-5 is cheap but payload not enough ,needs to upgrade to use composite material add some contermeasures against MANPADS. the same as Pucara.

It won't be easy,as new plane needs lot of tests,adding to the cost.

Not pitching anything not sales person.

MikeCZA:
Not pitching anything not sales person.

I am an observer only

North Korea An-2
an acient antique still in service firing rockets ,machine guns,barrel bombs.or deliver special forces troops behind enemy lines for sabotage

not including harbin Y-5 at least 18000 units built,probably the most built in history.

DARPA has successfully demonstrated a robotic co-pilot

JF-17 block 3 AESA rader KLJ-7A

chinese8107:
JF-17 block 3 AESA rader KLJ-7A

Can this radar be installed in block 2 versions?

Henry240:


Can this radar be installed in block 2 versions?

I don'n know,at least this is for dual seater version.but i guess NAF will get dual seater block 3 in future.

Henry240:


Can this radar be installed in block 2 versions?

Obviously It should.
What do you think about this Z10? Moreover, how much does the Mi35 cost?

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pls anybody dat comes across d J20 demo video abeg share

when south africa deployed its Gripen jets in uganda during the CAR incident,how could they south african's known if chads had also deployed its MIG-29's near its border with CAR

africaken254:
when south africa deployed its Gripen jets in uganda during the CAR incident,how could they south african's known if chads had also deployed its MIG-29's near its border with CAR

SANDF Gripen jets were deployed after they had be completely routed by the rebels in the CAR. There was also no way for Chad to have deployed any jets to it's border.


The Tchadians had internal insurrections to deal with.

"what your telling us is nigeria can't acquire this plane
costing $80 million and with a operating cost of $2,000 per
hour"


What Patchesagain is saying is, Nigeria has other requirements to deal with, spending $80 million on a plane that is not needed is borderline madness, when troops require basic requirements.



@Africaken254

africaken254:
when south africa deployed its Gripen jets in uganda during the CAR incident,how could they south african's known if chads had also deployed its MIG-29's near its border with CAR

We wouldn't have known. However, Chad wasn't gonna get involved in the conflict directly. Remember this, Chadian SF were disguised as normal Seleka militia for obvious reasons.


Having your valuable the Mig 29s (only 3 in total) going against the 4 Gripens is risky at all levels.

tdayof:
Obviously It should.
What do you think about this Z10? Moreover, how much does the Mi35 cost?

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MI-35M which we are getting 12 examples of, cost $12 million a unit. It is also a proven and an advanced platform.


The Z-10 on the other hand is an Unknown platform, modern but unknown.

Henry240:
"what your telling us is nigeria can't acquire this plane
costing $80 million and with a operating cost of $2,000 per
hour"


What Patchesagain is saying is, Nigeria has other requirements to deal with, spending $80 million on a plane that is not needed is borderline madness, when troops require basic requirements.



@Africaken254

so you dont have any other requirement that the $ 550 millions being used to purchase those satellite could be used for,dont tell me they are necessary.you could easily lease services from other satellite providers for a cheaper price

africaken254:
so you dont have any other requirement that the $ 550 millions being used to purchase those satellite could be used for,dont tell me they are necessary.you could easily lease services from other satellite providers for a cheaper price

We are buying those satellites because Nigeria requires those satellites for growth. Have you seen the economy of Lagos? The country requires these systems for those areas Main one and Glo1 fiber optic cables cannot reach.

We cannot sacrifice economic growth for weapons, it makes no sense. Neither can we use leased satellites to transfer classified data.


I don't see how an AWACS is a requirement for any country in SSA, the enemy is on the ground, not in the air.

ActivateKruger:


We wouldn't have known. However, Chad wasn't gonna get involved in the conflict directly. Remember this, Chadian SF were disguised as normal Seleka militia for obvious reasons.


Having your valuable the Mig 29s (only 3 in total) going against the 4 Gripens is risky at all levels.

the Chadians would have used their own radars stations across the border to guild their Migs-29,who would have warned your gripens jet while on bombing run against seleka that some Migs were hunting them or you want to tell me that the limited gripen radar coverage of 4 gripens would have being sufficient !

africaken254:
so you dont have any other requirement that the $ 550 millions being used to purchase those satellite could be used for,dont tell me they are necessary.you could easily lease services from other satellite providers for a cheaper price

hmm.using leased satellites to transfer sensitive informations on national security, national emergency action plan, identities of officials in the foreign service and secret service. Hmm I think it is a good idea, For Kenyans.Here in Nigeria we ve seen what it means to be compromised. In 1984 members of the Nigerian secret service along with agents from the Isreali MOSSAD undertook an operation in British soil. The target was Umaru Dikko a total Scum Bag. The operation failed and it was time for the Nigerian government and the Israeli government to deny their assets in the hands of the British Government. Isreal denied their MOSSAD agents in the field and requested that they be repatriated on grounds that they were Israeli citizens bit Nigeria couldn't deny anybody because the person they called secret service had their information's in the British interagency fact book as Nigerian government officials. Never again would that happen.

overhypedsteve:
hmm.using leased satellites to transfer sensitive informations on national security, national emergency action plan, identities of officials in the foreign service and secret service. Hmm I think it is a good idea, For Kenyans.

are you making/building those satellites your about to launch,dont you think they are going to have back doors!

overhypedsteve:
hmm.using leased satellites to transfer sensitive informations on national security, national emergency action plan, identities of officials in the foreign service and secret service. Hmm I think it is a good idea, For Kenyans.

are you making/building those satellites your about to launch,dont you think they are going to have back doors!if america is scared of using china made micro chips because they could have back doors,which the chinese would use to eavesdrop their communications,what about you !

africaken254:
the Chadians would have used their own radars stations across the border to guild their Migs-29,who would have warned your gripens jet while on bombing run against seleka that some Migs were hunting them or you want to tell me that the limited gripen radar coverage of 4 gripens would have being sufficient !

The MiG 29 is a limited platform that's why Hungary ditched it for the Gripen.

If the two had to go head-on, the Gripen has a smaller radar signature so the radars on the MiGs wouldn't have detected it until halfway. That means the Gripen would know about the MiGs way before the MiGs knew about the Gripen.... So it would have been on the SAAF command to engage first or avoid.

If it was to engage, the Gripen comes with EW, modern radar jammers in comparison to the MiGs so all their missiles would be jammed without counter measures and that would have been the end of the the MiGs.

lionel4power:

well am sure you wont be thrilled if your enemy comes to bomb you with their new ground attack plane just because your country has loop holes in their radar coverage.
or if an enemy comes with a hijacked airplane to crash ontop ur commander in chief office because they sneaked in through the mountains.

Buying a few AWACS isn't going to fill any loop holes in your radar coverage!!

AWACS are offensive weapons deployed in active combat situations and not intended to defend your entire country's airspace........That's what fixed grounded based Radars are for and to some extent mobile ground based radars. Excluding the wide array of Ground Based Radars operated by SAAF, its also supplemented by all of our international and national airport radars(which we have over550 of) as well as 12 state of the art doppler radars operated by the SA weather service....All of these radar systems are also LinkZA compatible.........If so much as a drop of water enters our airspace we would know about it!!

Yes AWACS would definitely help fight Boko Harm, but much cheaper mobile ground based radar would be just as effective!

Henry240:


SANDF Gripen jets were deployed after they had completely routed the rebels in CAR. There was also no way for Chad to have deployed any jets to it's border.


The Tchadians had internal insurrections to deal with.

FIXED

jln115:
FIXED

Lol, you still hold on to your own fairy-tale, wow.

africaken254:
so you dont have any other requirement that the $ 550 millions being used to purchase those satellite could be used for,dont tell me they are necessary.you could easily lease services from other satellite providers for a cheaper price

As much as I restrain myself I just gotta ask..is asking dull questions a hobby or ur default setting

we don't need it simple!!..if Kenya wants..let them get