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Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by alfarouq(m): 11:24am On Jun 13, 2022
advocatejare:

That is a lie you have been told for many years but it has been exposed. Right from the time of Muhammad we saw how people made claim of inspiring Muhammad to reveal the Quran.
Umar did and the blind man even corrected Allah

Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

The blind man who knew better than Allah !
Sahih al-Bukhari 4990
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers
who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95) The Prophet said, "Call Zaid
for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)." Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit.", and at that time "Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet. He said, Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home)
except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the causeof Allah.' (4.95)

Aisha also edited the Quran and wrote what she desired
Sunan Abi Dawud 410
Abu Yunus, the freed slave of 'Aishah said:
'Aishah commanded me to write for her come passage from the Qur'an. She also added: When you reach the following verse, inform me: "Be guardian of your prayers and of the midmost prayer" (2:238). When I reached it, I informed her. She asked me to write:"Be guardians of your prayers, and of the midmost prayer, and of the 'Asr prayer, and stand up with devotion of Allah" (2:238). 'Aishah then said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah


You just repeated what I highlighted to you. The Quran verses you posted above shows that Muhammad was not given any signs as the sign was said to be with Allah. But the same Quran reported that Jesus was given signs/miracles


The same Allah that could not protect the Quran from being eaten by an ordinary sheep? Be deceiving yourself!
Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”


If it does, then show us where Muhammad was said to have performed miracles in the Quran, at least we saw the miracles of Moses and Jesus, how come we can’t find any miracle of Muhammad in the Quran?



The lie that Muhammad could not read or write has been busted!

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)


Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise.
- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)



If that is the case, how come the life and miracles of Jesus are recorded in the Quran and that of Muhammad isn’t?



All those lies have been refuted.


Muhammad plagiarized the Bible, it’s not a hidden fact. Have you read about Jabr?


Foolish embryology in the Quran
The foolish embryology in the Quran that only talks about sperm and not a single mention of the female egg.

Quran says that sperm develops in to a clot, that is foolishness, a sperm that has not fertilized any egg will die and not develop into a baby,

Try your god and put your sperm into a woman who has reached menopause and see it it will turn into a clot.

Allah is ignorant of embryology!

Semen in the womb for 40 days

Allah that was even ignorant that sperms are produced in the testes but exposed his ignorance by saying that sperms are produced from the between the backbone and the ribs

On the case of Umar inspiring the prophet, the chapter 22 starting with the verse below
“Allah has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee concerning her husband and carries her complaint (in prayer) to Allah: and Allah (always) hears the arguments between both sides among you: for Allah hears and sees (all things).” Qur 22 v1. The above was revealed because of a woman that complained about an action of her husnband to the prohet PBUH.
There was another verse that was revealed due to Abu Bakr being in the cave with the Prophet during emigration to Madinah. There was another verse revealed to prove that a boy spoke the truth about his stepfather’s hypocrisy. Inshort there are many more cases of verses being revealed to address an issue at hand and the issue had something to do with someone.
I’m not sure why Omar is being singled out. No doubt Umar ‘Farooq is person one who can distinguish between right and wrong. His rank amongst the muslims is great. He was astute and had great insight of course by the leave of Allah. Allah reveals the different chapters and verses of the Quran to the prophet on an as needed phase. There are instances where Umar advises against some decisions that the prophet wanted to make and the prophet still went ahead and do them until Allah reveals verses that the advice of Umar is actually correct and the prophet reveals it to the compansios that Allah said the advise of Umar is correct. This tells more about the sincerity and truth of the prophet than the fact that Allah clarifies that Umar’s advice is the correct action to take. If the prophet was in it for his own selfish reason, he wont have acknowldege that Umar was correct after already taking a decision contrary to it
. Let me give you another instance. I am sure you will add it to your arsenal with which you will still try to ridicule Islam and Muslims later in the future but it does not matter. Because guidance is from Allah alone and He guides whom he wills. Ours is to deliver his message and enlighten people to thebest of our ability.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 1966
It was narrated that 'Umar bin Al-Khattab said:
"When 'Abdullah bin Ubayy bin Soul died, the Messenger of Allah was called upon to offer the funeral prayer for him. When the Messenger of Allah stood up (to offer the prayer), I got up quickly and said: 'O Messenger of Allah Are you going to pray for Ibn Ubayy when he said such-and-such an occasion?' And I started to list all the things that he had said. The Messenger of Allah smiled and said: 'Leave me alone, O 'Umar.' When I spoke too much he said: 'I have been given the choice and I have chosen (to offer the prayer for him). If I knew that he could be forgiven by asking Allah's forgiveness more than seventy times, I would have done so.' The Messenger of Allah offered the funeral prayer for him, and then left. A short while later, the two Verses form surah Bara were revealed: 'And never pray (funeral prayer) for any of them (hypocrites) who dies, nor stand at his grave. Certainly they disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger, and died while they were rebellious.' Later I was astonished by my audacity toward the Messenger of Allah on that day. And Allah and His Messenger know best."

One of the lessons from the whole thing is that the prophet did not formulate the Quran to make himself special or make others treat him special.
Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by alfarouq(m): 11:30am On Jun 13, 2022
advocatejare:

I can see that you were dumbfounded with all the facts I gave you on how Umar, the blind man, Aisha all inspired the Quran.

You also saw how Allah failed his promise of protecting the Quran from corruption when the same Allah couldn’t even stop an ordinary sheep from eating your Quran


Liar. Keith Moore never became a muslim.


There is no scientist that believe in your stupid Quran embryology that sperm will change to clot in a woman’s womb.

Your Allah forgot to mention that sperm has to fertilize a woman’s egg first before an embryo can be formed. This is basic biology that we all did in secondary school but Allah didn’t even know that a woman’s egg exists.


Show me where Keith Moore agree with that nonsense that a sperm without fertilizing a woman’s egg will turn into a clot that will then develop into a baby


https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dr._Keith_Moore

On the issue of Keith Moore embracing Islam, I was mislead by an article I came across online. I have come across a video where he was asked if he is a muslim and even though he said he believed in God and believe Muhammad PBUH and Jesus are messengers of God and that He believed what is recorded in the Quran is accurate according to the curent knowledge but says he did not convert to Islam. So I take full responsibility for the error and reatract my statement.
Attached is the link to the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObOzMAQ3hI


In the same attached video, he said that there were other things he was asked about the Quran that he answered he does not understand. For the things he understand he accepts, for those he does not understand he said he does not. Obviously there is no shame in acknowledging that there are somethings you don’t understand. No one knows it all.

On the Issue of God mentioning sperm without mentioning egg during baby formation description

I guess you are so bitter that the Quran which you guys like to falsely claim was copied from the bible talked about a topic your bible did not. That is why you are so eager to call it foolish. Whether you like it or not, the truth is the truth and you can not change that. I believe your education level is post secondary hence, you must have one time or the other come across the topic Sets. So if I say AdvocateJare wrote mathematics in Jamb. Does that mean he did not write English? But when I say only, then you have an argument.

The Quran did not say that man is created from sperm only. It says man is created from sperm because while the egg is an important partner and component in the formation of babies, its role is not as significant as that of the sperm. The sperm does all the hard work and it is the sperm that also determines the gender of the baby. Eggs have only X X chromosomes while the sperm has X and Y. If the X part of the sperm fertilize the egg you get a baby girl and if the Y chromosome does, you get a baby boy. It might interest you to know that there are early experiments that suggest that it may be possible in the future to make babies without using eggs. They have succeeded in creating healthy baby mice by tricking sperm into believing they were fertilizing normal eggs. The findings in Nature communications, could, in the distance future mean women can be removed from the baby making process, say the researchers.

Kindly use the link below if you care to learn more about it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-37337215

Now imagine if the Quran revealed by God The All Knower The All wise make it a point or establish that the eggs must be part of child reproduction and science later discovers that eggs can actually be taken out of the equation, People like you will be the first to shout that how can God not know that later female eggs can be eliminated from child bearing.
Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by alfarouq(m): 11:33am On Jun 13, 2022
advocatejare:

That is a lie you have been told for many years but it has been exposed. Right from the time of Muhammad we saw how people made claim of inspiring Muhammad to reveal the Quran.
Umar did and the blind man even corrected Allah

Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

The blind man who knew better than Allah !
Sahih al-Bukhari 4990
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers
who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95) The Prophet said, "Call Zaid
for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)." Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit.", and at that time "Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet. He said, Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home)
except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the causeof Allah.' (4.95)

Aisha also edited the Quran and wrote what she desired
Sunan Abi Dawud 410
Abu Yunus, the freed slave of 'Aishah said:
'Aishah commanded me to write for her come passage from the Qur'an. She also added: When you reach the following verse, inform me: "Be guardian of your prayers and of the midmost prayer" (2:238). When I reached it, I informed her. She asked me to write:"Be guardians of your prayers, and of the midmost prayer, and of the 'Asr prayer, and stand up with devotion of Allah" (2:238). 'Aishah then said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah


You just repeated what I highlighted to you. The Quran verses you posted above shows that Muhammad was not given any signs as the sign was said to be with Allah. But the same Quran reported that Jesus was given signs/miracles


The same Allah that could not protect the Quran from being eaten by an ordinary sheep? Be deceiving yourself!
Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”


If it does, then show us where Muhammad was said to have performed miracles in the Quran, at least we saw the miracles of Moses and Jesus, how come we can’t find any miracle of Muhammad in the Quran?



The lie that Muhammad could not read or write has been busted!

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)


Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise.
- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)



If that is the case, how come the life and miracles of Jesus are recorded in the Quran and that of Muhammad isn’t?



All those lies have been refuted.


Muhammad plagiarized the Bible, it’s not a hidden fact. Have you read about Jabr?


Foolish embryology in the Quran
The foolish embryology in the Quran that only talks about sperm and not a single mention of the female egg.

Quran says that sperm develops in to a clot, that is foolishness, a sperm that has not fertilized any egg will die and not develop into a baby,

Try your god and put your sperm into a woman who has reached menopause and see it it will turn into a clot.

Allah is ignorant of embryology!

Semen in the womb for 40 days

Allah that was even ignorant that sperms are produced in the testes but exposed his ignorance by saying that sperms are produced from the between the backbone and the ribs

Furthermore, How does the statement that all miracles are with God equate to Muhammad was not giving miracles. If miracles don’t belong to God, Do they belong to you?
Like I said before, the Quran is a book revealed for the guidance of man. It contains instructions and guidance for man.
In the whole of christiandom, there is no book on the same level as the Quran. The bible is at best on the level of Hadith. This is because the bible contains some words that can be attributed to God, some to Jesus, some to Jesus’s disciples and majority to someone that has never met Jesus let alone learn directly from Jesus. Infact he was even a hater of Jesus and his disciples. He came later and said he had a vision and suddenly became the most rated and celebrated person in christiandom. Even rated above those that were Jesus’s students. Since Paul did not learn under Jesus, who is his “Christian teacher” that taught him christianity?

Don’t give me Gamaliel unless you have a biblical proof that he actually taught christianity. To the best of my knowledge Gamaliel is a teacher of Judaism. You can prove me wrong if you believe otherwise with a proof from the bible ofcourse.
Back to the topic of discussion, If you need a biography of the Prophet, the things he did in his life then you have to check the books and records meant for that. That is the hadith. It contains some words of God, the sayings and actions of the prophet PBUH, and the words of his companions. On the first page of this thread I already enumerated some of the miracles that the prophet did. Your believing it or not is not my job.

Expecting that the Quran should document all the miracles of the prophet Muhammad is like expecting a verse in the bible that is attributed to God to narrate the miracles done by Jesus. If there is one please bring it forth. Do not get me wrong, I believe Jesus performed miracles, there are even miracles performed by Jesus that the bible did not mention that was narrated in the Quran. But bring me a statement made by God himself detailing a miracle performed by Jesus. Do not bring me third party statements, I want the one from God.
It will even interest you to know that the prophet Muhammad’s name was mentioned 5 times in the Quran, Jesus 25 times and Moses 136 times.
Again this points to the fact that the Quran was not authored by Muhammad or any human because for someone that desires to be ranked as prophet like Christians accuse prophet Muhammad of, he wont fill the Quran with narrations of the miracles and work of other prophets while barely mentioning his own. This cant be the action of a person that wants to lay claim to prophet-hood.

I am going to conclude with this Surah 54 V1 to 4.

1. The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
2.But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic."
3.They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time.
4.There have already come to them Recitals wherein there is (enough) to check (them),
Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.

The above verses were revealed after the polytheists of Makkah then requested for a miracle from the prophet.

When and how did it happen?
The miracle of the splitting of the moon occurred before the migration to Medina upon the demands of the polytheists with the permission of God and it was shown by the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as narrated by many of his companions.
Reaction of some of Arab Pagans to the Moon splitting Miracle:
When Almighty Allah let the moon split in half, one half standing over Mount Abu Qubais and the other half over Mount Quayqian, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said to some of the people present then.
“O Abu Salama b. Abdulasad! Arqam b. Abi’l Erqam! Bear witness!
And to the polytheists, he said, “Bear witness! So and so!
However, the polytheists said “This is one of the spells of Muhammad. They said “Muhammad cast a spell on us!”
Some of them also said:
“If Muhammad had cast a spell on us then, He couldn’t have cast a spell on everyone! Let us ask the wayfarers who came from the surrounding areas if they saw what we saw.”
They asked the people who came from other parts of Arabia to trade in Makkah sho said:
“Yes! We also did see the moon in that state! We saw the moon as split! They informed that the moon was split. Among the people who came from everywhere and seen the moon split, there was no one who had not informed them about it.
I want you to note something from the reaction of the Pagan Arabs then. They did not deny that they saw the moon actually splitted. Their argument was that eventhough they saw it, it was a spell casts upon them. They went ahead to say even if he casts a spell on them that are present he couldn’t have casted a spell on those not arround. They proceeded to ask people that travelled from other parts of the Arabian pennisula to trade in Makkah who have no idea of what transpired between the Pagans and the prophet so that they can confirm it was actually a spell cast on them but got disappointing answers. But did that make them accept Islam? No. That is because people will always have their own way of explaining miracles. For the ones that they can’t explain, they call it magic or spell.

 Islam does not place premium on miracles as proofs or evidences for truthfulness. If miracles alone are proofs/evidence for truthfulness, then doctors and surgeons of today who are nowadays making medical miracles can claim Prophethood. would that be okay?. Or the scientist who are revolutionising science today can easy lay claim to prophet hood. In fact the person that made the first telephone did something then out of the ordinary or the Wright brothers that made and fly the aeroplane when there was none can easily claim that they had performed miracle.

Finally, A lot has been said and I have tried to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge. All the correct things I said are from the God’s guidance and all errors are from me and I take full responsibility for them. Guidance is from God and He guides whom he wills to the truth.
Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:30pm On Jun 13, 2022
alfarouq:


Furthermore, How does the statement that all miracles are with God equate to Muhammad was not giving miracles. If miracles don’t belong to God, Do they belong to you?
Like I said before, the Quran is a book revealed for the guidance of man. It contains instructions and guidance for man.
In the whole of christiandom, there is no book on the same level as the Quran. The bible is at best on the level of Hadith. This is because the bible contains some words that can be attributed to God, some to Jesus, some to Jesus’s disciples and majority to someone that has never met Jesus let alone learn directly from Jesus. Infact he was even a hater of Jesus and his disciples. He came later and said he had a vision and suddenly became the most rated and celebrated person in christiandom. Even rated above those that were Jesus’s students. Since Paul did not learn under Jesus, who is his “Christian teacher” that taught him christianity?

Don’t give me Gamaliel unless you have a biblical proof that he actually taught christianity. To the best of my knowledge Gamaliel is a teacher of Judaism. You can prove me wrong if you believe otherwise with a proof from the bible ofcourse.
Back to the topic of discussion, If you need a biography of the Prophet, the things he did in his life then you have to check the books and records meant for that. That is the hadith. It contains some words of God, the sayings and actions of the prophet PBUH, and the words of his companions. On the first page of this thread I already enumerated some of the miracles that the prophet did. Your believing it or not is not my job.

Expecting that the Quran should document all the miracles of the prophet Muhammad is like expecting a verse in the bible that is attributed to God to narrate the miracles done by Jesus. If there is one please bring it forth. Do not get me wrong, I believe Jesus performed miracles, there are even miracles performed by Jesus that the bible did not mention that was narrated in the Quran. But bring me a statement made by God himself detailing a miracle performed by Jesus. Do not bring me third party statements, I want the one from God.
It will even interest you to know that the prophet Muhammad’s name was mentioned 5 times in the Quran, Jesus 25 times and Moses 136 times.
Again this points to the fact that the Quran was not authored by Muhammad or any human because for someone that desires to be ranked as prophet like Christians accuse prophet Muhammad of, he wont fill the Quran with narrations of the miracles and work of other prophets while barely mentioning his own. This cant be the action of a person that wants to lay claim to prophet-hood.

I am going to conclude with this Surah 54 V1 to 4.

1. The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
2.But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic."
3.They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time.
4.There have already come to them Recitals wherein there is (enough) to check (them),
Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.

The above verses were revealed after the polytheists of Makkah then requested for a miracle from the prophet.

When and how did it happen?
The miracle of the splitting of the moon occurred before the migration to Medina upon the demands of the polytheists with the permission of God and it was shown by the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as narrated by many of his companions.
Reaction of some of Arab Pagans to the Moon splitting Miracle:
When Almighty Allah let the moon split in half, one half standing over Mount Abu Qubais and the other half over Mount Quayqian, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said to some of the people present then.
“O Abu Salama b. Abdulasad! Arqam b. Abi’l Erqam! Bear witness!
And to the polytheists, he said, “Bear witness! So and so!
However, the polytheists said “This is one of the spells of Muhammad. They said “Muhammad cast a spell on us!”
Some of them also said:
“If Muhammad had cast a spell on us then, He couldn’t have cast a spell on everyone! Let us ask the wayfarers who came from the surrounding areas if they saw what we saw.”
They asked the people who came from other parts of Arabia to trade in Makkah sho said:
“Yes! We also did see the moon in that state! We saw the moon as split! They informed that the moon was split. Among the people who came from everywhere and seen the moon split, there was no one who had not informed them about it.
I want you to note something from the reaction of the Pagan Arabs then. They did not deny that they saw the moon actually splitted. Their argument was that eventhough they saw it, it was a spell casts upon them. They went ahead to say even if he casts a spell on them that are present he couldn’t have casted a spell on those not arround. They proceeded to ask people that travelled from other parts of the Arabian pennisula to trade in Makkah who have no idea of what transpired between the Pagans and the prophet so that they can confirm it was actually a spell cast on them but got disappointing answers. But did that make them accept Islam? No. That is because people will always have their own way of explaining miracles. For the ones that they can’t explain, they call it magic or spell.

 Islam does not place premium on miracles as proofs or evidences for truthfulness. If miracles alone are proofs/evidence for truthfulness, then doctors and surgeons of today who are nowadays making medical miracles can claim Prophethood. would that be okay?. Or the scientist who are revolutionising science today can easy lay claim to prophet hood. In fact the person that made the first telephone did something then out of the ordinary or the Wright brothers that made and fly the aeroplane when there was none can easily claim that they had performed miracle.

Finally, A lot has been said and I have tried to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge. All the correct things I said are from the God’s guidance and all errors are from me and I take full responsibility for them. Guidance is from God and He guides whom he wills to the truth.

Highlighted is a description of Allah not the God of the Bible because Jesus said:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

So Allah has already predestined those it will guide therefore those not guided should not be blamed.
On the other hand Jehovah love the whole world so He's willing to guide everyone of us it's left to those who fails to utilize the underserved kindness (grace) of God to gain salvation! smiley

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Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by Noara: 5:00pm On Jun 13, 2022
According to a hadith, Prophet Muhammad and Abraham used to pray to Allah to ward off the evil eyes and poisonous animals. You can see Hadith here Sahih al-Bukhari 3371.
Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by alfarouq(m): 6:01pm On Jun 13, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Highlighted is a description of Allah not the God of the Bible because Jesus said:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

So Allah has already predestined those it will guide therefore those not guided should not be blamed.
On the other hand Jehovah love the whole world so He's willing to guide everyone of us it's left to those who fails to utilize the underserved kindness (grace) of God to gain salvation! smiley

Yes, Allah guides whom He wills and Yes, Allah guides whoever is sincerely looking for guidance and Yes, He doesn't guide people that reject the truth even after seeing it.

As long as someone sincerely seeks out the truth, Allah will guide him but the arrogant that denies the truth and chose to believe a lie even when deep in his heart he knows it is false, Allah does not guide such people.
Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:15pm On Jun 13, 2022
alfarouq:


Yes, Allah guides whom He wills and Yes, Allah guides whoever is sincerely looking for guidance and Yes, He doesn't guide people that reject the truth even after seeing it.

As long as someone sincerely seeks out the truth, Allah will guide him but the arrogant that denies the truth and chose to believe a lie even when deep in his heart he knows it is false, Allah does not guide such people.

So the guidance is there for anyone to seize the opportunity and make use of it not that my God just predestined some.

The truth is not difficult to know because it works out benefits in the gathering of imperfect humans. But everyone will think he has the truth, that's why we need to figure out what are the benefits of the truth you think you have? smiley

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Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by advocatejare(m): 9:46pm On Jun 13, 2022
alfarouq:
The Qur’an was revealed in its entirety in over two decades in chunks of varying lengths. On some occasions whole surahs were revealed together and on other only a few words. The Qur’an itself refers to this scheme of revelation. Allah says:

(It is) a Qur’an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages.

In response to an objection raised by the disbelievers the wisdom of piecemeal revelation is mentioned in the Qur’an itself;

Those who reject Faith say: “Why is not the Qur’an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen your  heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to you in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually.

Accordingly, in a hadith narated by Ibn Abbass R.A
Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Qur’an was revealed in its entirety and placed in the Abode of Glory in the lower heaven. Subsequently, Gabriel revealed it to Muhammad in response to speech and actions of the people.

Whenever the Qur’an was revealed it brought with it an assurance of divine help and support not only for the Prophet PBUH himself but for the members of the first Muslim community. It brought successive revelations with new and refined laws, promise of help against the trigger-happy and latent enemies, glad tidings of eventual victory over different ideologies, guidance on specific issues of communal concern, and consolation for individuals and groups. Though usually general in implication these revelations came down against specific backgrounds leaving lasting impressions in the memory of the community and helping them make better sense of it for application to future contexts.

When the Prophet (ﷺ) was about to set out for Tabuk and the hypocrites were being coward and making all kinds of excuses not to join the campaign, Allah vide Qur’an 4:95 declared that those who sit behind are not equal to those who fight in the way of Allah. In fact even more scathing condemnation of the hypocrites was revealed in the same context in verses of Surah 9. And whereas the Prophet (ﷺ) did exempt certain true believers for their inability of affording a mount the verse in question declared that those among the believers who stayed behind were not equal to those who participated in the campaign.

It was this backdrop that perturbed Ibn Umm Maktum who had earlier remained behind the Prophet (ﷺ) on a number of campaigns due to his blindness. While he must have known the general rule that “Allah does burden one more than his capacity” he sought explicit exemption and concession on this occasion to remain free from any suggestion of hypocrisy and loss in terms of reward compared to others.

While this narration of the incident in most relate the events in summary, there are reports that give us further information thereby providing better insight.

Ibn Umm Maktum – who was a blind man – stood up when he heard the superiority of those who fight in the way of Allah, and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah! What about those believers who are not able to fight such as the blind and others like them? O Messenger of Allah, what do you command me? I am a blind man. If I could fight I would have fought. I love fighting in the way of Allah. You have known for years that I have lost my eyesight and I cannot fight. Where is my fault? Is there a dispensation for me from Allah  if I sit back? The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “I have not been ordered anything (specific) with regard to you. I do not know whether there is a dispensation for you and the like of you.” Ibn Umm Maktum said, “O Allah! I beseech you for (restoring) my eyesight.” [13] He was told that the Prophet (ﷺ) was receiving the revelation. Fearing something may be revealed about him (by the way of condemnation), he cried standing there and said, I seek refuge from the anger of Allah’s Messenger; I turn to Allah and His Messenger. Zaid said, “By Allah, Ibn Umm Maktum had hardly completed his words that (something like) trance overtook the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). His thigh fell down on my thigh, and I felt the heavy weight for the second time as I had felt it the first time. Then the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) regained his composure, and said: ‘Read O Zaid.’ So I read: Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home). The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Except those who are disabled’ (reciting) the complete Verse (4:95).”

One needs to reflect whether this is story of a man telling or reminding the Prophet (ﷺ) to make an exception, or is it about him pleading for a favor in view of his circumstance?  The man was perturbed that he would lose the highest reward without any negligence on his part and asked if he and his likes could get a dispensation. He was told there was no specific instruction about him by then. He cried out to Allah requesting that alternatively his eyesight may be restored enabling him to fight in the way of Allah and earn the greatest reward. Just then, the Prophet (ﷺ) again began to experience the physical concomitants of revelation he had undergone a while earlier. The poor blind man was told by the others present around that revelation had begun to come. Perhaps realizing that he had reacted too much he feared having offended the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and began to pronounce his repentance. The revelation did come but it was no reprimand or anything to that effect rather a context specific confirmation of a known principle that he and others among the true believers having genuine excuse were in no loss compared to those who went to fight in the way of Allah. Accordingly, it was reported like the hadith from Anas ibn Malik below.

Anas ibn Malik related that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, returned from the Tabuk expedition and approached Madina and said, “In Madina there are people who have been with you whatever distance you have travelled and whatever valley you crossed.” They said, “Messenger of Allah, even though they are in Madina?” He replied, “They are in Madina and a valid excuse prevented them from coming.”

The case of the blind man discussed above was not the only time Gabriel brought the message just while a plea was made or a question asked. Following report gives another account of similar nature.

It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ) while he was delivering a Khutbah from the Minbar, and he said: ‘If I fight in the cause of Allah with patience and seeking reward, facing the enemy and not running away, do you think that Allah will forgive my sins?’ He said: ‘Yes.’ Then he fell silent for a while. Then he said: ‘Where is the one who was asking just now?’ The man said: ‘Here I am.’ He said: ‘What did you say?’ He said: ‘What did you say?’ He said: ‘I said: I said: If I fight in the cause of Allah with patience and seeking reward, facing the enemy and not running away, do you think that Allah will forgive my sins?’ He said: ‘Yes, except for debt you are yet to settle. Jibril told me that just now.’

Here the Prophet (ﷺ) tells how Gabriel told him to make an exception to the general statement he had just made. There are other examples of the kind, all of which prove that the story of the blind man was no exception.

It is Allah that decides and control when and how a revelation will happen. The prophet has no control over those.

There are times the revelation came just when the question was asked but on other occasions revelation clarifying certain issues did not come for many days. An example is when the Quraish based on the feedback of the Jews asked him certain questions the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “I will give you your answer tomorrow” but forgot to say “If Allah will,” and, therefore, had to wait for fifteen days before Gabriel brought to him the answers to those questions. Another case in point is the incident of false accusation against Prophet’s (ﷺ) beloved wife when the Prophet (ﷺ) had to suffer for over a month before verses exonerating her came. The prophet would not have endured the agony of false accusation against his wife if he was the one producing or formulating the verses of the Quran himself or if he gets the verses from any of his companions (a rejoinder of the Umar issue) you mentioned before.
In summary, what you have wrote above only confirmed that the Quran was partly a figment of Muhammad’s imagination that he could edit on his will anytime someone suggested a more logical revelation than what Allah had supposedly revealed like in the case of that blind man that made Muhammad and Allah modify their revelation to suit the blind man’s suggestion!

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Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by advocatejare(m): 9:51pm On Jun 13, 2022
alfarouq:


On your claim that sayyida Aisha edited the Quran and wrote what she likes. This is the verse that the hadith refers to.

Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind).

As you can see from the verse above there is no mention of Asr prayer. You can check any Quran in the world, there is no where you will see Asr Prayer added in the verse.

Muslims pray 5 times daily Subhi, Zuhr, Asr, Magrib and Isha. And obviously the one in the middle is Asr. So Aisha is correct in the hadith but did she add it to the Quran as part of rhe Quran? No. The evidence is in the fact that there is no Quran on earth today that has Asr prayer added to the verse if you can find any please bring it forth. (Note, I am not talking of foot notes or comments that people who translate the Quran to different languages for wider dissemination added. The translation of the Quran is not the Quran. The Quran is the arabic text which is the original language with which the Quran was revealed. It is the word of God not the translation to English, Hausa, Yoruba or Igbo.

While at it, let me ask you a question.

The daily manna, Rhapsody of realities or the Awake. Are they the bible? The answer is obviously no. But they contain verses from the bible but that does not make them the bible.

What I am saying in essence is that, If you are to deliver a lecture on Christianity and you prepare a slide or pamphlets that contain verses or chapters from the bible relevant to the topic you want to discuss, you can add comments, footnotes to explain more on somethings or verses. But does your comments become part of the bible?

That is the case of Aisha’s comment that the middle prayer is Asr and she is definitely right. But did she add it as part of the Quran? No, because you cant find a Quran with it that contains it. Also the hadith made it clear that what she instructed the slave to right is some part of the Quran which she probably wants to use it to admonish people (Allah knows best since the hadith did not say what she was going to do with it) but what is clear is that she did not add to the Quran nor did she subtracted.

Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by advocatejare(m): 7:06am On Jun 14, 2022
alfarouq:


Furthermore, How does the statement that all miracles are with God equate to Muhammad was not giving miracles. If miracles don’t belong to God, Do they belong to you?
Why was Muhammad not given any miracle, why was his so called miracles not in the Quran like those of Jesus’?


Like I said before, the Quran is a book revealed for the guidance of man. It contains instructions and guidance for man.
In the whole of christiandom, there is no book on the same level as the Quran.
Of course, your Quran is a book of fables and babbles that no sane human can take seriously

Even the people of Muhammad’s days knew that he was reading fables that he had plagiarized to them, they referred to your Quran as “legends of the former peoples “

Quran 8:31
And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, "We have heard. If we willed, we could say like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples."

Apart from that, your Quran is full of meaningless babbles which implies that it was the handiwork of Muhammad in one of those his numerous episodes of convulsions where he snorted like a camel. What is the meaning of these words in the Quran’

Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)
Ta Seen Meem (Quran 26:1)
Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)
Ta Seen Meem (Quran 28:1)



Expecting that the Quran should document all the miracles of the prophet Muhammad is like expecting a verse in the bible that is attributed to God to narrate the miracles done by Jesus.
The Quran mentioned some miracles of Jesus. Mention some miracles of Muhammad that the Quran mentioned!




When and how did it happen?
The miracle of the splitting of the moon occurred before the migration to Medina upon the demands of the polytheists with the permission of God and it was shown by the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as narrated by many of his companions.
Reaction of some of Arab Pagans to the Moon splitting Miracle:
The verses you posted above didn’t say that Muhammad split the moon.
Give me a direct word from the Quran that Muhammad split the moon like the direct word from the Quran that Muhammad was given no sign/miracle

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Re: Miracles Of The Prophet Muhammad by advocatejare(m): 10:26am On Jun 14, 2022
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alfarouq:


On the issue of Keith Moore embracing Islam, I was mislead by an article I came across online.
Same way you have been misled by many rubbish you’ve been reading. If I didn’t expose your lies now you would have been spreading your falsehoods around


On the Issue of God mentioning sperm without mentioning egg during baby formation description

I guess you are so bitter that the Quran which you guys like to falsely claim was copied from the bible talked about a topic your bible did not. That is why you are so eager to call it foolish. Whether you like it or not, the truth is the truth and you can not change that. I believe your education level is post secondary hence, you must have one time or the other come across the topic Sets. So if I say AdvocateJare wrote mathematics in Jamb. Does that mean he did not write English? But when I say only, then you have an argument.

The Quran did not say that man is created from sperm only. It says man is created from sperm because while the egg is an important partner and component in the formation of babies, its role is not as significant as that of the sperm. The sperm does all the hard work and it is the sperm that also determines the gender of the baby. Eggs have only X X chromosomes while the sperm has X and Y. If the X part of the sperm fertilize the egg you get a baby girl and if the Y chromosome does, you get a baby boy. It might interest you to know that there are early experiments that suggest that it may be possible in the future to make babies without using eggs.
Your Allah is a dullard who doesn’t know that you need a sperm to fertilize an egg before you can have a baby.

Which useless experiment tells you that you can have a baby without an egg. Share it here


The article you shared was talking about artificial means. Did your Quran talk about artificial fertilization or natural process that happens in human body? Alfarouq?
And in the link you posted above, did they say that only the male sperm is required without the female mice contribution?






They have succeeded in creating healthy baby mice by tricking sperm into believing they were fertilizing normal eggs. The findings in Nature communications, could, in the distance future mean women can be removed from the baby making process, say the researchers.
The rubbish In your Quran says that when sperm enters the womb, it becomes a baby and you lied that Keith Moore also said the same thing, show me the evidence

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