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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by ISpiksDaTroof: 9:27pm On Aug 10, 2016
oduastates:
Never was Nigeria the largest economy. Not with that cassava bread economy.
We've had this arguments before.
Iweala massaged Agriculture to create imaginary Gdp figures .
Even South Africa's agricultural output dwarfs Nigeria's.
To
Key facts

Power generation : 55000MW
refineries : 7
steel plants : 25
Gold mines and plant: 10
Coal mines : 11
Uranium :1

I fact I will stop counting the plants. Let me just show what they sell to the rest of the world.
Almost every single item has a deep value chain. They not only mined these stuffs, they process and most time
times, sell finished products.
These facts show in their national budget which is like 6 times the Nigerian budget
South Africa national budget : $102 billion
Nigeria :$ 20 billion




world's largest producer
chrome
manganese
platinum
vanadium
vermiculite.

second largest producer
Ilminster
palladium
rutile
zirconium.

world's third largesture exporter
coal
Iron ore


5th largest

Gold

Nigerians are the only ones on earth that refuse to believe how truly poor and underdeveloped their country really is.

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Nobody: 9:36pm On Aug 10, 2016
Wow! Zombies have moved from buhari is a God to there is no better alternative.
Buhari Is A Liar, he said he was going to make life better for Nigerians but he is doing the exact opposite.
He spent half of his lifetime fantasizing and thinking of how to become president and now that he is there he is completely clueless, All he does is take pictures and fly around.
The guy was overthrown in 1985 and since then he has achieved nothing for himself(no further education, no businesses, no charity organizations, no investments)
Honestly Buhari is incompetent and he knows it, he also knows that if he truly love Nigeria then he has to resign before 2016.
My prayer is if buhari does not resign or accept defeat in 2019 or before due to selfishness or "I am your saviour" mentality , then may Almighty Allah destroy him, his team and his camp.
Before you label me an IPOB or wailer please know that I am hausa man from katsina and also a muslim

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by PaulIdu: 9:40pm On Aug 10, 2016
ISpiksDaTroof:


Nigerians are the only ones on earth that refuse to believe how truly poor and underdeveloped their country really is.

When I tell people Nigeria is a poor country and that even Samsung is richer they get angry ..the truth is coming out

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Centrifude(m): 9:59pm On Aug 10, 2016
It's interesting how a few months ago Egypt had knocked S.A down to the number three spot and now we're back up again.
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by obaaderemi: 10:43pm On Aug 10, 2016
months:
GEJ MUST RETURN IN 2019, whether the Afonja like him or not.

We will kill dem all if we must 2 save Nigeria.
Gej did nothing but looted.he also failed to diversify the economy and oil sold for 100 dollars during his time.he is not different from the others
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Newmanluckyman(m): 10:52pm On Aug 10, 2016
McGibson:
More than two years after losing Africa's largest economy to Nigeria, South Africa’s economy have regained its position in dollar terms as the value of the Nigeria’s naira move in opposite directions.
Based on gross domestic product at the end of 2015 published by the International Monetary Fund, the size of South Africa’s economy is $301 billion at the rand’s current exchange rate, while Nigeria’s GDP is $296 billion.
The Nigerian economy shrank by 0.4 percent in the three months through March from a year earlier amid low oil prices and output and shortage of foreign currency. That curbed imports, including fuel. In South Africa, GDP contracted by 0.2 percent from a year earlier as farming and mining output declined.
“More than the growth outlook, in the short term the ranking of these economies is likely to be determined by exchange rate movements,” Alan Cameron, an economist at Exotix Partners LLP, told Bloomberg in an email response.
Cameron said, although Nigeria is unlikely to be unseated as Africa’s largest economy in the long run, “the momentum that took it there in the first place is now long gone.”
Nigeria was assessed as the continent’s largest economy in April 2014 when authorities in the West African nation overhauled their GDP data for the first time in two decades.
The rand gained 1 percent to 13.2805 per dollar at 4:03 p.m. in Johannesburg on Wednesday. The naira weakened 2.7 percent to 320 per dollar.

https://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/south-africa-kicks-nigeria-out-as-africas-largest-economy.219240/
... Surprise? No! They dullards are in charge. Thanks to APC AND BUHARI for this great feat. Build and consolidate on the existing structures the met on ground they refused.. Oya add a cubic to it, they blame Ghost.
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by ibedun: 11:11pm On Aug 10, 2016
Newmanluckyman:
... Surprise? No! They dullards are in charge. Thanks to APC AND BUHARI for this great feat. Build and consolidate on the existing structures the met on ground they refused.. Oya add a cubic to it, they blame Ghost.

Please elaborate on the structure found on ground? Shebi the refineries, the power stations, the factories running 24 hours and dollar reserve savings, the paid federal salaries and pensions, abi the town-to-town toads across the country, abi our airline and shipping line? Oya please elaborate and please don't mention Ugwu export or the largest economy scam left over by ya sister.
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Nobody: 11:34pm On Aug 10, 2016
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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Nobody: 11:40pm On Aug 10, 2016
McGibson:


check Bloomberg
post the link here
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Ofodirinwa: 11:48pm On Aug 10, 2016
oduastates:
Never was Nigeria the largest economy. Not with that cassava bread economy.
We've had this arguments before.
Iweala massaged Agriculture to create imaginary Gdp figures .
Even South Africa's agricultural output dwarfs Nigeria's.
To
Key facts

Power generation : 55000MW
refineries : 7
steel plants : 25
Gold mines and plant: 10
Coal mines : 11
Uranium :1

I fact I will stop counting the plants. Let me just show what they sell to the rest of the world.
Almost every single item has a deep value chain. They not only mined these stuffs, they process and most time
times, sell finished products.
These facts show in their national budget which is like 6 times the Nigerian budget
South Africa national budget : $102 billion
Nigeria :$ 20 billion




world's largest producer
chrome
manganese
platinum
vanadium
vermiculite.

second largest producer
Ilminster
palladium
rutile
zirconium.

world's third largesture exporter
coal
Iron ore


5th largest

Gold
Typical nigerian, all you know is minerals
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by emmatee57(m): 12:01am On Aug 11, 2016
thank God say i no even vote, ut na me chop them money pass during then...
all i tink is dat, Apc & lie lie campaigns are like grin

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by 14(m): 12:56am On Aug 11, 2016
chineloSA:
Thats not palatable. But we can claim back the position. SA economy is also not looking good.

Not when your currency is weakening on a daily basis, the Naira in the black market is above N400 to the $1 as we speak, so the official rate fell to N350 to the dollar before the CBN intervene, then it dropped to N320. The CBN must stop to intervene in the intermarket just to save the free fall of the Naira, they are wasting money by doing so, while the naira in the black market is rocketing higher. In a real world, had the CBN left the Naira to float and no intervention, it would be chasing the one in the black market and they would meet in the middle, but that's not the case because the CBN is trying to defend the Floating currency, which is unheard of.

Nigeria was never the largest economy in Africa. It was only by default that Nigeria manufactured its way to the top spot. First of all their capped their naira to N197 hoping to defend it with oil money, now since oil money has run dry, then it was partially floated. If Nigeria wanna compete with SA on an equal basis, SA will win by 100 miles. Reserve Bank of SA never intervene when their Rand gets hummered and its a floating currency, one of the heavily traded currency in the world. $1.6bn to $2bn gets traded on a daily basis in SA whereas in Nigeria only $40m gets traded, see the gap.

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by 14(m): 1:28am On Aug 11, 2016
Centrifude:
It's interesting how a few months ago Egypt had knocked S.A down to the number three spot and now we're back up again.

South Arica regained its 2nd spot in July after Egypt devalued their currency. Even Egypt is doing the very same ting that Nigeria is doing, capping their Egyptian pound, its 8.88 to the dollar in the official market while in the black market is 12.25 pound. Currently they are going around shutting all the black market traders in a bid to have a pegged pound to be effective. You cannot manufacture the rate of your currency, once you do that, no potential investor will ever set foot in your country. Now Egypt wants help from IMF, and IMF has given them conditions to give them that Loan, one of it is to devalue their currency once again to reflect reality on the ground.

What I am trying to show you is that in reality, Egyptian and Nigerian economies are very small compare to the South African one. Example, lets take Nigeria total GDP of N94trillion and divide it by the black market rate which is currently at N405 to the dollar, N94000/405= $232BN, and take Egyptian pound 2400/12.25 = $196BN and the South African one R4000/13.28 = $301BN. You see South Africa is the largest economy in Africa by far in reality. But if you consider the partially floated Nigerian naira at 94000/320 = $294BN, smaller than that of SA and the Egyptian one will be 2400/8.88 = $270BN.

Therefor:

1. South Africa = $301BN

2. Nigeria = $294BN on official rate and $232BN for black market rate

3. Egypt = $270BN on official rate and $196BN for black market calculated rate

Hopefully it makes sense, but its a simple maths

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by 14(m): 1:41am On Aug 11, 2016

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by KnowAll(m): 3:09am On Aug 11, 2016
I have said times without number tie our currency to the value of a barrel of oil.

1 new Naira = 40 dollars.

40 dollars X 400 = 16000

1 new naira = 16,000 old naira.

It means everything to get the true value would be divided by 16000.

NOW LET US LOOK DEVALUATION OF OIL SINCE 1980

in 2013 a barrel of oil was 150 dolads per barrel.

Whilst in 1984 to 1991 it was hovering between 10 dollars and 20 dollars per barrel.

TODAY IT IS 40 DOLLAR.

COMPARE THAT WITH NAIRA DEPRECIATION FROM

1 to 1 in 1980 to

1 to 400 in 2016

Which one has depreciated d more . I leave u guys to answer that
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by KnowAll(m): 3:12am On Aug 11, 2016
The price of a Barrel of oil is a universally accepted price it means u either pay by your paper new naira notes or exchange by barter with a barrel of oil which accepted all over the world.
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Nobody: 3:15am On Aug 11, 2016
michelz:
What sort of hopeless government is this?
Even if you can't improve on the gains of previous administration,why can't you atleast maintain the staus quo?
How could millions of educated Nigerians allow themselves to be deceived into this kind of mess?
Shame! Shame on all of them!
Big shame to the ones that came here online claiming economic and political gurus and deceived others into this mess.
Big shame on all those "Sai Baba!!"chanters who have suddenly disappeared!



Lol...you think they can maintain GEJ success?

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by tinkinjow: 4:30am On Aug 11, 2016
I refuse to believe this story.
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Nobody: 4:34am On Aug 11, 2016
oduastates:
Never was Nigeria the largest economy. Not with that cassava bread economy.
We've had this arguments before.
Iweala massaged Agriculture to create imaginary Gdp figures .
Even South Africa's agricultural output dwarfs Nigeria's.
To
Key facts

Power generation : 55000MW
refineries : 7
steel plants : 25
Gold mines and plant: 10
Coal mines : 11
Uranium :1

I fact I will stop counting the plants. Let me just show what they sell to the rest of the world.
Almost every single item has a deep value chain. They not only mined these stuffs, they process and most time
times, sell finished products.
These facts show in their national budget which is like 6 times the Nigerian budget
South Africa national budget : $102 billion
Nigeria :$ 20 billion




world's largest producer
chrome
manganese
platinum
vanadium
vermiculite.

second largest producer
Ilminster
palladium
rutile
zirconium.

world's third largesture exporter
coal
Iron ore


5th largest

Gold
What's this z0mb1é saying

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Niyil: 4:44am On Aug 11, 2016
E go beta o

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Centrifude(m): 5:32am On Aug 11, 2016
14:


South Arica regained its 2nd spot in July after Egypt devalued their currency. Even Egypt is doing the very same ting that Nigeria is doing, capping their Egyptian pound, its 8.88 to the dollar in the official market while in the black market is 12.25 pound. Currently they are going around shutting all the black market traders in a bid to have a pegged pound to be effective. You cannot manufacture the rate of your currency, once you do that, no potential investor will ever set foot in your country. Now Egypt wants help from IMF, and IMF has given them conditions to give them that Loan, one of it is to devalue their currency once again to reflect reality on the ground.

What I am trying to show you is that in reality, Egyptian and Nigerian economies are very small compare to the South African one. Example, lets take Nigeria total GDP of N94trillion and divide it by the black market rate which is currently at N405 to the dollar, N94000/405= $232BN, and take Egyptian pound 2400/12.25 = $196BN and the South African one R4000/13.28 = $301BN. You see South Africa is the largest economy in Africa by far in reality. But if you consider the partially floated Nigerian naira at 94000/320 = $294BN, smaller than that of SA and the Egyptian one will be 2400/8.88 = $270BN.

Therefor:

1. South Africa = $301BN

2. Nigeria = $294BN on official rate and $232BN for black market rate

3. Egypt = $270BN on official rate and $196BN for black market calculated rate

Hopefully it makes sense, but its a simple maths

Hmmm thank you for that explanation I never really understood all the deals behind it.

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Okwyjesus(m): 5:37am On Aug 11, 2016
tartar9:
If its in terms of the dollar,have wailers forgotten the decline began under gej

but it was well managed. Dont come here and start covering the truth even Kpomo seller in Mile 3 Market knows that something is wrong with our leadership now.

If you have been blind folded not everybody is bindfolded.

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by eaglechild: 6:56am On Aug 11, 2016
Just before the elections, I told anyone who cared to listen about Buhari's very bad history with the Nigerian economy.

How the circumstances were somewhat similar to his previous failed outing as president and how he was bound to fail more woefully yet again.

I cried about his nepotism tendencies, his selective fight for corruption, his intolerance to criticism, his disregard for the judiciary and media, his lack of international decorum, his foolish stubbornness and inability to heed common sense advice, that he is deluded in believing to be a strength.

I told them that a half witted GEJ was much better than a fully functional Cassandra.

But they wouldn't listen, they were bitten by the zombie bug.
Now see how low we've sunk

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by nigerianvenom(m): 7:56am On Aug 11, 2016
In Country rule by a cow dunce, what do u expect?

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by nigerianvenom(m): 7:58am On Aug 11, 2016
BeClever:



$1= N402

I bought it 395 yesterday
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by Nobody: 8:08am On Aug 11, 2016
14:


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-10/south-africa-s-economy-regains-rank-as-africa-s-biggest-on-rand

how does rand regaining its rank make south Africa biggest economy?

Do you even know how biggest economy thing works?
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by BeClever: 8:48am On Aug 11, 2016
nigerianvenom:


I bought it 395 yesterday


No difference my dear..

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Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by oyatz(m): 10:18am On Aug 11, 2016
explorer250:
Shame on buhari, APC and Yorubas that voted them in. Thr trio are poor economic Managers
People like this writer lack the intelligence and the exposure to understand economic matters.
Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by AmenhotepZuid: 12:35pm On Aug 11, 2016
grin grin grin grin
Blaming Buhari isn't gonna help nigerians. The truth is Buhari has exposed the LIE that you have been living for 2 years. Fake 418ed Gdp by Ngozi and Kale. The truth is coming to bite you now. We have been telling you this since 2014. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

[b]South Arica regained its 2nd spot in July after Egypt devalued their currency. Even Egypt is doing the very same ting that Nigeria is doing, capping their Egyptian pound, its 8.88 to the dollar in the official market while in the black market is 12.25 pound. Currently they are going around shutting all the black market traders in a bid to have a pegged pound to be effective. You cannot manufacture the rate of your currency, once you do that, no potential investor will ever set foot in your country. Now Egypt wants help from IMF, and IMF has given them conditions to give them that Loan, one of it is to devalue their currency once again to reflect reality on the ground.

What I am trying to show you is that in reality, Egyptian and Nigerian economies are very small compare to the South African one. Example, lets take Nigeria total GDP of N94trillion and divide it by the black market rate which is currently at N405 to the dollar, N94000/405= $232BN, and take Egyptian pound 2400/12.25 = $196BN and the South African one R4000/13.28 = $301BN. You see South Africa is the largest economy in Africa by far in reality. But if you consider the partially floated Nigerian naira at 94000/320 = $294BN, smaller than that of SA and the Egyptian one will be 2400/8.88 = $270BN.

Therefor:

1. South Africa = $301BN

2. Nigeria = $294BN on official rate and $232BN for black market rate

3. Egypt = $270BN on official rate and $196BN for black market calculated rate

Hopefully it makes sense, but its a simple maths[/b] cry cry cry

Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by AmenhotepZuid: 12:42pm On Aug 11, 2016
^^^^^^S.A. economy is the most advance and complicated economy in AFRICA. Pity the nigerian economist failed to figure this out. The failed to analyze the 3 legged pot. Our market cap alone grin grin those who are clued about economics and accounting know that S.A.s market cap is over $ 1 trillion and is 3 times bigger than our gdp. This complicates things...even another Portugese prof. mentioned it many times. He predicted nigerias FALL. #NIGERIA MUST FALL!!!! Most S.A. academics doubted nigerias economy rebased size from day one. MOST Z.A. ACADEMICS KNEW SOMETHING WAS FISHY BUT DECIDED TO KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES. grin grin grin grin

Anyways 14, my former university mates are in the country they work in the UK, US and came for RE-UNION and will be flying back on Saturday. Thanks to the RAND VS DOLLAR RATE. They told us cars are cheaper in UK than here in Mzansi in a way they wer planning to buy some.

Re: South Africa Kicks Nigeria Out As Africa's Largest Economy by AmenhotepZuid: 12:56pm On Aug 11, 2016
Back to work 14 hope you enjoyed your lunchtime.... grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
WOW THE TRUTH IS BITTER nigeria IS NOT GONNA BOUNCE BACK, EGYPT IS GOING TO CLAIM THEIR PLACE BEFORE DECEMBER. grin grin grin

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