According to science our universe has a beginning (search at “age of the universe” on www.pnas.org) and time is purely physical. Therefore there can be no such thing as time external to the physical universe. Timespace has a beginning.

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo (since timespace has a beginning); i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator / Singularity).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source and further reading of how to relate to the Creator:www.netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.


Anders Branderud

Dear brother, you will find many presumably clever people on this forum who will insist that the universe popped out of their arses, rather than concede to the existence of a Deity.

Anders Branderud,

I suspect you have been posting in a different name. CAn you reveal yourself now, please?

Deep Sight:

Dear brother, you will find many presumably clever people on this forum who will insist that the universe popped out of their arses, rather than concede to the existence of a Deity.

OMG

Oga deepsight, dis is the religion and not the jokes section o!

Deep Sight:

Dear brother, you will find many presumably clever people on this forum who will insist that the universe popped out of their arses, rather than concede to the existence of a Deity.

there are problems with your statement. why can't it be argued the universe always existed?

why does the universe have to be created but this deity can't be created? what if the universe itself is the first cause (the universe is God)?

Why does the universe have to be created by a deity? why not many Deities ala hinduism.

bawomolo:

there are problems with your statement. why can't it be argued the universe always existed?

Are you familiar with the continuing expansion of the Universe? Please take a moment to study the Theory of the Big Bang - The Universe did not always exist, ok?

bawomolo:



why does the universe have to be created but this deity can't be created?

Did anybody (even God) create numbers? Go figure.

bawomolo:


what if the universe itself is the first cause (the universe is God)?

GBAM! So you have accepted that God exists (since he is the Universe).

What happened to the original poster of this thread? Why does he not come here and feeeeel the heat?

OR is he maskerading as some other poster?

Right facts.

Deep Sight:

Are you familiar with the continuing expansion of the Universe? Please take a moment to study the Theory of the Big Bang - The Universe did not always exist, ok?

the question remains, what's the initial condition of the big bang. did it require a creator?

i doubt it.

Did anybody (even God) create numbers? Go figure.

umm the concept of numbers (real or imaginary) were thought of by someone. Why does the universe need a creator but God doesn't?

GBAM! So you have accepted that God exists (since he is the Universe).

no i haven't. those are the ideas i was throwing around to you. Please try to comprehend my post. Intelligent design is pseudo-science