MtuMsuper:

Jubilee supporters make the amusing suggestion that the rise in food prices over the past few years should not be "politicized ". Food and anything that enters my stomach will always be political. There is a complete lack of serious debate on this issue, and the rise of unga ugali from 85 to 160 in a very short time is indeed alarming by any argument. Waangalie hiyo mambo. Galana kulalu ilikufa sababu ma tenderpreneurs walidhani large scale commercial farming ni chekechea, na waliwaste fursa. Yields zilikuwa down, na organization yao mbofu, usiseme. I know someone who follows the project closely who told me the real reason mahindi shortage is in Kenya.

kikuyu1 , i think its false and misleading to suggest that it would be a disaster if the opposition came to power. They have huge swathes of support across the country, and many see the actualization of their aspirations through them. They legitimately represent alot of people, so I can't see the danger they pose, unless they're fascists or some other -ists, of which they're not.

Wish everyone a peaceful election period, elect your choice and do your part to build Kenya. Amen.

Eish ,thats a very short sighted view my friend.Is the drought (and food shortages) ravaging parts of east africa ,Yemen and other places political also? How's a team laser focused on electioneering ,court cases on elections and nonstop politicking gonna actualize your aspirations when their key focus the last 5yrs has been their own aspirations of gaining/sharing power ? (i can tell you for a fact their manifesto is just an after thought) Tell me their legislative successes ,voter-centered projects to their name ,any serious livelihood-centered changes they sought and visions over their long careers in parliament

NairobiWalker:


How come you are okay with the single photo Nowenuse keeps associating with each and every Nigerian? Why don't you call him on his ignorance too considering Nigeria has over 250 tribes?

The problem is when you say everyday Nigerians. Everyday Nigerians are those Nowenuse has been posting not what you posted. We wear them to church, parties, and other events.
What you showed was a cultural event in one of our rural communities.

jln115:
Still trying to figure out who's more hated on this thread, the Boere or the Zulu's ??

Nah no one is hated.

obaaderemi:
It is an insult to an imbec!le to compare you to one,honestly.Nigerians in the 80s went into the streets to hack down ghanaians?No,we are not animals like you.BTW Nigeria deports Chinese and they know their limits.You will forever remain a kaffir boy and a disgrace because the whiteman is not ready to give you an inch of the 80% of your land he owns.But we will always welcome you on nairaland to help you release a bit of your frustration. hehehehe,stupid kaffir boy.

Forget about the 80s,let's talk 2017 and how you won't lift your filthy paws to the Indian and Chinese drifters who treat you like dogs in your own country but you will be quick to take an axe and hunt down your own nigerians and slaughter them in the worst way possible....JUNGLE LIFE

LOL @ the bolded .You actually taking this e-life thing more serious to the point where you fantasize about being a gate keeper of NL,at your age? Smh.who said I need your permission to come here and burst your bubble?

Jayceon:
Your kids must be very ashamed,daddy reasons with a mind of a preschooler...Why would we deport people who have been here for over 400 years and are just as SAns as the rest of us?..with this porous logic of yours,can white Americans deport African-Americans to Africa just because is the land of their ancestry? Even when they've never been here?

The Chinese in your country are not citizens,they are drifters who just arrived in naija to treat you like pigs,using white South Africans to justify your cowardice is beyond hopeless

Bwahahahaha!the kaffir boy is crying already.I know you can't deport them but is that why you should accept your slave status,you field nigger?I hear your government is trying to make the white mine owners give up a part of their holdings to you lazy arse blacks.They even have a name for you, 'Kaffirs' and in your frustration you turn on fellow Africans.Do you have any shame at all?Well,the boers messed you up mentally.Sorry,Kaffir

NairobiWalker:


How come you are okay with the single photo Nowenuse keeps associating with each and every Nigerian? Why don't you call him on his ignorance too considering Nigeria has over 250 tribes?

Nowenuse. Desist from what he accused you of and moreover I don't know why Africans like antagonizing each other for no sane reason for God sake.

Fidha254:
If the traditional attires most of Nigeria wears was adopted post world war II then its not advanced, culture works the other way around, for example, some of ethiopian cultures were pretty advanced long time ago....

Cultures exists very much in Kenya, maybe not as much as some would like but every society is different, just because you do it in a certain way doesnt mean its the only way... For example, The founding father of Tanzania promoted unity of language, as a result, Tanzanian did away with 80% of indeginous language and traditional cultures in favor of Swahili..... Tanzania is as African as Africa can get. Today Tanzania is one of the most peaceful countries in Africa... While countries like Nigeria and Kenya still fight along ethnic and tribal lines........


It is a misconception that large ethnic groups don't promote their cultures, the minority ethnic tribes work extra hard to promote their cultures because they see the big tribes already dominating in every aspect of art,music and culture...So the minority groups take promoting their cultures extra serious, some tribes in Kenya are too small they are on the verge of going extinct!
In the big cities the main ethnic tribes usually have annual music and food festivals like Luo night(ohangla music), Mughithi for Kikuyus, I have forgoten the nake for kalenjin, there is also Mulembe night for Kambas... and many more...
Anyway


Here is a Kikuyu traditional wedding attire

Very beautiful
Before I joined NL, I always thought all Kenyans are the same like their great athletes. Kenya is home to 40-50 ethnic groups and they have beauty in diversity.

NairobiWalker:


1. The GDP should have been triple - of course it should. Rampant looting and negligence that saw several local industries close shop or brought to their knees (sugar industry for instance) while others moved to other countries (e.g Sameer to India) while we saw former petty politicians like Duale who barely owned anything other than their MP salary become billionaires plus a host of other scandals prevented this.

2. Oil discovery came with lots of speculation and more investments came in creating a multiplier effect that played it's part on the GDP. Go to Turkana county and see what's happening their. Remember the Chinese who considered Tanzania their biggest E African ally moved to Kenya after the oil discoveries. Avic is setting up a mega headquarter in Westlands now. Lappset - the largest project in Africa currently is happening because of the oil discovery.

3. See - Kenya's GDP was $55 billion in 2013 after rebasing. Contrary to Kikuyu1's assertions, it never doubled unless you consider the 2013 figure before rebasing. The population of Kenya is said to have increased by around 5M over the same period. This translates to a GDP per capita rise of just about 20%. (from around $1370 to $1666). Meanwhile see the prices of some basic commodities over the same period.

1. Bread - KES 40 - KES 50 (20% increase)
2. Kilo of beef - KES 240 - KES 450 (87% increase)
3. Maize flour 2KG - KES 90 - KES 160 (78% increase)
4. 500ml milk - KES 30 - KES 60 (100% increase)
5. Electricity token - KES 12 - KES 18 (50% increase)
6. Sugar 1kg - KES 100 - KES 240 (140% increase)


Those are just a few examples of the most important products in the country - and before I forget, the national debt rose the fastest during those 5 years. Now tell me with a straight face if the gains in GDP within the last 5 years has really improved the living standards the ordinary Kenyan other than the corrupt tenderprenuer. You don't want us to be like the Nigerians who take pride in GDP figures while the ordinary mwananchi can barely afford basic needs.

Too much selective "facts" and misrepresentations here .

First off ,Lapsett was never about oil discovery it was mooted as part of Vision 2030 way back in 2008 - thats 4yrs before oil was 1st discovered in 2012,and in any case the total cost of Lapsett is way way above the small value of oil discovered .

You mention collapse of sugar industry but fail to say some of its woes are tied to Kidero - the NASA man widely held responsible for Mumias woes .And some of the chief accusers of looting and corruption were asked to go give concrete evidence to EACC they refused -cuz it was all for political mileage but with no supporting evidence.

You just mention one industry relocating but fail to highlight the many that've set base in Kenya.Daimler came in 2016,VW set up not too long ago,Hela clothing came in March 2017,many respected global hotel chains have opened shop,Volvo Trucks is opening an assembly plant in Mombasa and many other smaller firms have same plans.AVIC also set up their HQs here not bcuz of oil mind you.

You mention GDP not doubling and prices going up but you fail to say other factors like exchange rate went from 85 per $ to average 102 per $.In any case no country can lift its millions out of poverty in just 5yrs - even China with its massive growth of 10% for nearly 20yrs hasn'tbeen able to lift every Chinaman from poverty hence you see them trooping to settle in Africa.Real GDP growth has to go for long time in a sustained manner for you to see the dividends (has Ethiopia which is grows even faster managed to eliminated poverty?)

Lastly the debt rise has its visible effect - the roads ,power plants ,the massive rise in electrification rate ,the better hospital facilities (two specialised centeres in every county) the port dredging and capacity enhancement .the SGR ....all these are visible effects of debt rise and they'll have a knock on effect on GDP.

Now tell us with a straight face that living standards haven't improved and all these other factors don't have a net effect on the overall sitution? Lets not argue with emotions but let facts come naked with no skewed and selective way of looking at the big picture.

freshest4live:

Nah no one is hated.

Just disliked I guess!

obaaderemi:
Bwahahahaha!the kaffir boy is crying already.I know you can't deport them but is that why you should accept your slave status,you field nigger?I hear your government is trying to make the white mine owners give up a part of their holdings to you lazy arse blacks.They even have a name for you, 'Kaffirs' and in your frustration you turn on fellow Africans.Do you have any shame at all?Well,the boers messed you up mentally.Sorry,Kaffir

LOL your comebacks are too weak..trust me,even a first grader would have put up a decent retaliation.You are trying too hard to make it look like you got it all under control but we all know you are feeling my blows.I asked you to back up your ailing jungle logic and the only reply you can give is "Bwahahahaha"? PATHETIC.

I also heard that one of your government officials was in SA begging the ANC to provide food aid to your lazy starving citizens that are currently perishing in famine.

Me slave? HAHA! Says someone whose law enforcements put him below the level of a Chinese drifter,that's why they continue to treat you like the garbage you are.your law favors chinese more than you savage fools

Jayceon:
Forget about the 80s,let's talk 2017 and how you won't lift your filthy paws to the Indian and Chinese drifters who treat you like dogs in your own country but you will be quick to take an axe and hunt down your own nigerians and slaughter them in the worst way possible....JUNGLE LIFE

LOL @ the bolded .You actually taking this e-life thing more serious to the point where you fantasize about being a gate keeper of NL,at your age? Smh.who said I need your permission to come here and burst your bubble?

This kaffir is as crossed as two sticks.Don't worry,you can always come here to cry on our shoulders.We've been doing that for u for a long time.It's just sad that years after the whole world had to come together to force the boer to take his boot off your stringy necks,you continue to cling on to your slave mentality.The boers must have really damaged you.400 Years A Slave With No End In Sight. Too bad,kaffir.

freshest4live:

The problem is when you say everyday Nigerians. Everyday Nigerians are those Nowenuse has been posting not what you posted. We wear them to church, parties, and other events.
What you showed was a cultural event in one of our rural communities.

Lol, you're a comedian.

Jayceon:
LOL your comebacks are too weak..trust me,even a first grader would have put up a decent retaliation.You are trying too hard to make it look like you got it all under control but we all know you are feeling my blows.I asked you to back up your ailing jungle logic and the only reply you can give is "Bwahahahaha"? PATHETIC.

I also heard that one of your government officials was in SA begging the ANC to provide food aid to your lazy starving citizens that are currently perishing in famine.

Me slave? HAHA! Says someone whose law enforcements put him below the level of a Chinese drifter,that's why they continue to treat you like the garbage you are.your law favors chinese more than you savage fools

Like I said you are a kaffir and nothing more.Keep crying and grasping at straws.it doesn't change the fact that the boer owns you and 80% of your land.That's what u should disprove and not these 'novels you keep typing'which i don't even bother to read.Bwahahahaha

Bifwoli:
Too much selective "facts" and misrepresentations here .

First off ,Lapsett was never about oil discovery it was mooted as part of Vision 2030 way back in 2008 - thats 4yrs before oil was 1st discovered in 2012,and in any case the total cost of Lapsett is way way above the small value of oil discovered .

You mention collapse of sugar industry but fail to say some of its woes are tied to Kidero - the NASA man widely held responsible for Mumias woes .And some of the chief accusers of looting and corruption were asked to go give concrete evidence to EACC they refused -cuz it was all for political mileage but with no supporting evidence.

You just mention one industry relocating but fail to highlight the many that've set base in Kenya.Daimler came in 2016,VW set up not too long ago,Hela clothing came in March 2017,many respected global hotel chains have opened shop,Volvo Trucks is opening an assembly plant in Mombasa and many other smaller firms have same plans.AVIC also set up their HQs here not bcuz of oil mind you.

You mention GDP not doubling and prices going up but you fail to say other factors like exchange rate went from 85 per $ to average 102 per $.In any case no country can lift its millions out of poverty in just 5yrs - even China with its massive growth of 10% for nearly 20yrs hasn'tbeen able to lift every Chinaman from poverty hence you see them trooping to settle in Africa.Real GDP growth has to go for long time in a sustained manner for you to see the dividends (has Ethiopia which is grows even faster managed to eliminated poverty?)

Lastly the debt rise has its visible effect - the roads ,power plants ,the massive rise in electrification rate ,the better hospital facilities (two specialised centeres in every county) the port dredging and capacity enhancement .the SGR ....all these are visible effects of debt rise and they'll have a knock on effect on GDP.

Now tell us with a straight face that living standards haven't improved and all these other factors don't have a net effect on the overall sitution? Lets not argue with emotions but let facts come naked with no skewed and selective way of looking at the big picture.

1. Kidero is Kidero and NASA is NASA. Kidero is not NASA and Mumias didn't collapse when Kidero was at helm. It is obvious the government sabotaged Mumias considering Miraa farmers were given 1 billion shillings twice to 'boost' their industry that isn't half as important as the sugar industry yet wasn't even in turmoil at that time while when the sugar industry was at its knees, he instead ordered what he called 'cheaper imports' that all Jubilee supporters clapped upon. A move that enables the Duales and other cartels to import sugar and make billions. Interestingly - the said 'cheaper imports' saw the prices of sugar increase by over 140% in a year.

2. LAPSSET funding was influenced by the discovery of oil. Remember no one wants to invest in something that brings no returns.

3. The car manufacturers you speak of haven't set shop yet. Let's wait till they do before we talk of them.

4. I never expected Kenya to raise ALL its poor from poverty. I just explained that what Jubilee did is nothing close to impressive.

5. Arguing without emotions, I can frankly tell you Kenya's living standards haven't increased much in the past 4 years.

obaaderemi:
Like I said you are a kaffir and nothing more.Keep crying and grasping at straws.it doesn't change the fact that the boer owns you and 80% of your land.That's what u should disprove and not these 'novels you keep typing'which i don't even bother to read.Bwahahahaha

looks like the facts I've dished out have finally sank in .that's what I do to idiots,especially the ones going through mid-life crisis like the e-gate keeper Obaaderemi

obaaderemi:
This kaffir is as crossed as two sticks.Don't worry,you can always come here to cry on our shoulders.We've been doing that for u for a long time.It's just sad that years after the whole world had to come together to force the boer to take his boot off your stringy necks,you continue to cling on to your slave mentality.The boers must have really damaged you.400 Years A Slave With No End In Sight. Too bad,kaffir.

Your nursery attempts at salvaging your bruised ego are not even worth a reply at this point


Cerebral Assassin

Jayceon:
looks like the facts I've dished out have finally sank in .that's what I do to idiots,especially the ones going through mid-life crisis like the e-gate keeper Obaaderemi

So this !diotic Kaffir has finally stopped writing novels and is now a short story writer?My parting shot to you remains the questions all caring Africans want an answer to(Nigerians,Ghanaians,Kenyans,your neighbors)When will the Boer stop owning 80% of your land while you the blacks own just 10% agriculturally poor land?Why should unemployment be 5% for white and 40% for u blacks?Why do they call you 'Kaffir' and steal from you at the same time?Have yourself a good night.

obaaderemi:
So this !diotic Kaffir has finally stopped writing novels and is now a short story writer?My parting shot to you remains the questions all caring Africans want an answer to(Nigerians,Ghanaians,Kenyans,your neighbors)When will the Boer stop owning 80% of your land while you the blacks own just 10% agriculturally poor land?Why should unemployment be 5% for white and 40% for u blacks?Why do they call you 'Kaffir' and steal from you at the same time?Have yourself a good night.

What's your obsession with the Boere?

Jayceon:
Your nursery attempts at salvaging your bruised ego are not even worth a reply at this point


Cerebral Assassin

Uhu,Kaffir,you are a real assassin.At least we don't shoot our national heroes in the street like you shot my favourite African reggae artist Lucky Dube in the street.(May his soul rest in perfect peace)

obaaderemi:
So this !diotic Kaffir has finally stopped writing novels and is now a short story writer? My parting shot to you remains the questions all caring Africans want an answer to(Nigerians,Ghanaians,Kenyans,your neighbors)When will the Boer stop owning 80% of your land while you the blacks own just 10% agriculturally poor land?Why should unemployment be 5% for white and 40% for u blacks?Why do they call you 'Kaffir' and steal from you at the same time?Have yourself a good night.

LOL that's cos I see no point in taunting an already dead goat.

You are welcome to pull imaginary figures out of your own ass if it makes the pain you feeling less severe


Cheers!!!

jln115:
What's your obsession with the Boere?

None.

jln115:
What's your obsession with the Boere?

None.

obaaderemi:
None.

Then why do you mention the Boere in everyone of your posts?

Do even know anything about the Boere? Since you like mentioning them so much?

obaaderemi:
[s]Uhu,Kaffir,you are a real assassin.At least we don't shoot our national heroes in the street like you shot my favourite African reggae artist Lucky Dube in the street.(May his soul rest in perfect peace)[/s]

In Timbaland's voice *the damage is done so I guess I should be living*



Cry me a river!!



Cerebral Assassin....

NairobiWalker:


Are you trying to say this is not the everyday Nigerian traditional dance?

No, this is a masquerade festival usually done by traditionalists. It reflects not just culture, but the religion of our ancestors. It occurs once in a while and not everyone is allowed to wear, follow or even watch the masquerades in some cultures.

Here are more.

realjoker:
Nowenuse. Desist from what he accused you of and moreover I don't know why Africans like antagonizing each other for no sane reason for God sake.

There is nothing i am doing that Nairobiwalker is asking me to desist from really. What am i doing?

Bifwoli:
Too much selective "facts" and misrepresentations here .

First off ,Lapsett was never about oil discovery it was mooted as part of Vision 2030 way back in 2008 - thats 4yrs before oil was 1st discovered in 2012,and in any case the total cost of Lapsett is way way above the small value of oil discovered .

You mention collapse of sugar industry but fail to say some of its woes are tied to Kidero - the NASA man widely held responsible for Mumias woes .And some of the chief accusers of looting and corruption were asked to go give concrete evidence to EACC they refused -cuz it was all for political mileage but with no supporting evidence.

You just mention one industry relocating but fail to highlight the many that've set base in Kenya.Daimler came in 2016,VW set up not too long ago,Hela clothing came in March 2017,many respected global hotel chains have opened shop,Volvo Trucks is opening an assembly plant in Mombasa and many other smaller firms have same plans.AVIC also set up their HQs here not bcuz of oil mind you.

You mention GDP not doubling and prices going up but you fail to say other factors like exchange rate went from 85 per $ to average 102 per $.In any case no country can lift its millions out of poverty in just 5yrs - even China with its massive growth of 10% for nearly 20yrs hasn'tbeen able to lift every Chinaman from poverty hence you see them trooping to settle in Africa.Real GDP growth has to go for long time in a sustained manner for you to see the dividends (has Ethiopia which is grows even faster managed to eliminated poverty?)

Lastly the debt rise has its visible effect - the roads ,power plants ,the massive rise in electrification rate ,the better hospital facilities (two specialised centeres in every county) the port dredging and capacity enhancement .the SGR ....all these are visible effects of debt rise and they'll have a knock on effect on GDP.

Now tell us with a straight face that living standards haven't improved and all these other factors don't have a net effect on the overall sitution? Lets not argue with emotions but let facts come naked with no skewed and selective way of looking at the big picture.

Poverty can't never be eliminated. If there are richs, then it means there are poors.

If you are saying reducing poverty, then the poverty in Ethiopia had been reduced very much, even if there are many millions not only poor, but also below poor.

You are right that economic growth doesn't mean economic development. If economic growth has been achieved for periods of time and used for the right purposes, then development can be achieved.

Peace!

Jayceon:
In Timbaland's voice *the damage is done so I guess I should be living*



Cry me a river!!



Cerebral Assassin....

Triple H

Jayceon
obaaderemi

Enough of this name callings and slanderings it add nothing sensible to the subject of discourse neither those it validate your arguments. argue with facts and figures if you can't, be a bystander.

Bifwoli:

Eish ,thats a very short sighted view my friend.Is the drought (and food shortages) ravaging parts of east africa ,Yemen and other places political also? How's a team laser focused on electioneering ,court cases on elections and nonstop politicking gonna actualize your aspirations when their key focus the last 5yrs has been their own aspirations of gaining/sharing power ? (i can tell you for a fact their manifesto is just an after thought) Tell me their legislative successes ,voter-centered projects to their name ,any serious livelihood-centered changes they sought and visions over their long careers in parliament

NASA has the mkate nusu government as a mirror of what they are capable of. I remember Rails talking about a bridge from Mombasa road to Westlands before the Superhighway and sikuwa nashikanisha. One thing I know those people can bring is novelty in planning. Of course their focus is taking power. What else? They don't have the treasury in their control.

India is a 3rd world country and is almost no different from ******* , other than the fact that it enjoys more political stability.


(a person had posted the above comment some pages before and i have deleted the posters name which is irrelevant from my objective ie to stop u guys from throwing crap at others from ignorance , and now i give him my reply below )

OK

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only six countries in the world to design and develop its own nuclear submarines

India is a 3rd world country and the only country to launch more than 100 satellites from a single space launcher

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 5 countries in the world to have its own GPS system after US , Russia , china and EU.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 6 countries to have the capability to develop and launch heavy category space launchers for both LEO and GEO orbits.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 6 countries to have the capability to design and fabricate cryogenic engines.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 5 countries to have designed and launched their own aircraft carriers.

India is a 3rd world country and only the 2nd country after USA to have developed a super computer.

India is a 3rd world country and the only country in the world to have developed thorium based nuclear power.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 5 countries in the world to send a unmanned mission to moon.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 4 countries to have successfully sent a space probe to mars.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 6 countries in the world to have its own ICBMs.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 6 countries in the world to have its own SLBMS

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 4 countries to have tested scramjet engine.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 4 countries to have its own anti ballistic missile system (ABM)

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 5/6 countries to have its own space observatory.

India is a 3rd world country and has the 7th largest satellite constellation in the world.

India is a 3rd world country and has the largest constellations of remote sensing satellites for civilian use in the world.

India is a 3rd world country and has the 11th largest shipbuilding industry by market share (2014)

India is a 3rd world country and one of the 6 countries to have nuclear triad capability.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 3/4 countries to have tested its reusable space shuttle technology ( prototype ).

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 9/10 countries to have developed its own fighter aircraft's.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 8/9 countries to have developed its own transport helicopters.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 6/7 countries to have developed its own dedicated attack helicopters

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 9/10 countries to have developed its own main battle tanks (MBT) heavy weight class.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the few countries to have developed its own surface to air missile system

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 14/15 countries to have developed its own air to air missile.

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 5/6 countries to have its own ocean surveillance ship

India is a 3rd world country and one of the only 5/6 countries to have its own multi object tracking radar (1000km+) for space application

India is a 3rd world country and one of the 10 countries with the highest number of scientific publication

India is a 3rd world country and one of the 12 countries with the highest number of patents filed


etc

etc

etc

i tire ooooo

u know of any 3rd world country close enough to compete in above fields , mr.poster ? (one who made the comment)



my flight to ............ got delayed so i decided to pass my time in order to enlighten some ignorant people about 3rd world capabilities , which i hope they might use to judge and COMPARE their own countries capabilities and world position very accurately instead of shitting on others.

plz note i posted only some of the defense technology related capabilities /achievements till date , if anybody is interested in more 3rd world country capabilities in other fields , plz feel free to ask me , i will surely reply after 2 weeks.

humility and respect must never be taken as a sign of weakness or for granted , it only displays the posters ignorance and narrow mindedness .

live and let others live without ignorance

ok i disappear now ......

@kikuyu1 no worries i shall return , it was maskirovka lollll