honourhim:



You said you were afraid of hell fire when you were a christian. You were not a christian if so. A christian is not supposed to be afraid of hell fire because he isnt going there.
What you have done is equivalent to disconnecting the temperature guage of car whose engine is over heating. The over heating hasnt stopped by your disconnecting the temperature guage rather you are deluded thinking it has stopped since the guage is not reading.
That you stopped believing in christianity or in God does not mean there is no God, no heaven and hell. You are just deluded. By the time you find yourself in hell, if you dont repent, you will believe by force but it would have been too late by then. Repent and stop deceiving yourself.

If only you knew the kind of inner peace I meant. Being scared of hell is the main reason Christians fear death. What happens on the other side is a major concern of Christians and the fear they might not make heaven. You can only find this inner peace once the source of the fear is gone.

The Faith.

DeSepiero:


Stop spewing trash here. I quoted a standalone statement of yours without adding or removing. If you're not comfortable with it then withdraw your statement.

The fear of death is natural that's agreed, but it intensifies when you're conscious of the fact that you could be heading to hell.

The HIV analogy even exposes you. Have you had unprotected sex before? Someone abstaining all the while and then decides to have unprotected sex will likely contract the HIV and therefore would be scared that he may have contracted the deadly disease.

Don't quote me again and talk childish nonsense
Get your thinking straight!!

you are the one that is reasoning like a child here, for your information i have never had sex before in my life talkless of having unprotected sex because I'm not yet married. God created sex for married couples only. Sex before marriage or outside the confines of marriage and other sexual immorality is a terrible sin in the sight of God. The bible laid emphasis on it in the book of 1st corinthians 6 vs18

flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body

I knew the HIV analogy will not go down well with you and other unbelievers living a reckless life and that is why you flared up, and desperately want to turn the analogy on my head.

For you to have made that comment regarding me means that your guilty conscience has been prickled.
It's just the same way you and other unbelievers will flare up each time we raise the issue of Hell.

People that are not promiscuous or doing other things that can make them prone to being infected with HIV will not be bothered or flare up with that analogy, same way the talk of hell will not make a born again Christian flare up or be afraid because we are not doing the things that will lead us there.

Dejideji1:


you are the one that is reasoning like a child here, for your information i have never had sex before in my life talkless of having unprotected sex because I'm not yet married. God created sex for married couples only. Sex before marriage or outside the confines of marriage and other sexual immorality is a terrible sin in the sight of God. The bible laid emphasis on it in the book of 1st corinthians 6 vs18

flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body

I knew the HIV analogy will not go down well with you and other unbelievers living a reckless life and that is why you flared up, and desperately want to turn the analogy on my head.

For you to have made that comment regarding me means that your guilty conscience has been prickled.
It's just the same way you and other unbelievers will flare up each time we raise the issue of Hell.

People that are not promiscuous or doing other things that can make them prone to being infected with HIV will not be bothered or flare up with that analogy, same way the talk of hell will not make a born again Christian flare up or be afraid because we are not doing the things that will lead us there.

I've read the Bible probably longer than you've breathed air, so save your teachings and don't digress.

After death for the Christian, it's either heaven or hell. So once in a while the possibility of ending up in hell brings up fear. Don't bother to dispute this; even if you bring it up in Sunday school tomorrow you'll get same answer.

I never denigrated you as a person or your beliefs. I'm not surprised at the underlying tone of your response, rather it only reveals more about what you do not understand. You have clearly made up your mind about your position so I only respond out of courtesy.

otem4eartum:

Almighty God is just like our earthly fathers. They don't judge. They rather correct and it ends there, except some evil fathers who disowned there children. There is a place called VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH made by the ALMIGHTY GOD(father of yahweh the wicked son). When we die, all our mistakes and wrongs will be played to us and we will feel ashamed. Then after, we will live in the afterlifes. Now compare the judgement of yahweh(satan) for those who dedicated their lives to him. He will disown them in eternal fire FOREVER AND EVER(can your earthly father disown you, let alone throw you forever and ever in fire?) ADOLF HITLER and MOSES of the Bible are more or less the same. They both killed for yahweh(satan). Adolf Hitler killed the Jews for the sake of his belief in JESUS as an Aryan Christian. Moses killed for the sake of his belief in Yahweh. ADOLF HITLER WAS NEVER AN ATHEIST. HE WAS AN ARYAN CHRISTIAN, WHO WANTED TO END JUDAISM.

it's obvious you have issues is with God and you try so hard to wish Him away. Why do you guys all seem to know the contents of the bible? Coincidence? I think not.
So Adolf Hitler has been corrected and lives in the afterlife with your almighty god and all the people he killed? Great, but your 'almighty god' then isn't just. You seem to be quick to put up a defence for atheism. Tell me what I don't know. I was an atheist myself.

Definitely the Almighty God isn't the same as Yahweh, who is only the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The ALMIGHTY GOD doesn't favour one over the other. ADOLF HITLER killed himself because he didn't want to be killed in the war by his enemies. It is not the ALMIGHTY GOD who killed him, because the ALMIGHTY GOD doesn't kill and he hasn't kill a single soul ever, but yahweh(satan) has killed multitudes.

Why you keep denigrating the God you are trying to convince me, and apparently yourself, doesn't exist is really interesting. Who said the ALMIGHTY GOD killed Adolf Hitler? Certainly not me. The ALMIGHTY GOD most times does not interfere because He says 'VENGEANCE IS MINE' and it's obvious His vengeance isn't felt here so it should prompt you to ask where is this vengeance experienced? and I think you know the answer already.

Faulkin whom you called Jesus Christ has died in Sodom-Egypt millions of years back. Eusebius and his likes only wrote stories to make him look real in our own time. Faulkin(yeshua) isn't coming back. It is a scam.

If all what I said about a documentary that an atheist, who did his research, compiled about Jesus Christ didn't move you at least to google to check for yourself and this is all you put up in defence. I have nothing else to say to you but keep reading your comments and ask yourself critical questions. Another thing, I never told you Jesus is coming back, how come you know that lol? You people always give me more reason to believe.

I can bet my life that all these atheists I mentioned are better morally and are more righteous than Kumuyi and the popes combined. Even here on Nairaland, Atheists are more real and less insultive than the so-called Christians. Give it to Johnydon22, Realmindz and Hardmirror, the three combined are more moral and original than any Christian here on NL and in real-life. And they have more commonsenses in them than any Christian I have ever encountered here. Imagine Christians don't know sleep paralysis, calling it demonic possessions, yet all these atheists know it. In fact, they are all wiser than Yahweh(satan) in their comportments.

There is a proverb that translates 'if the roofs of homes are blown away not many people will be as confident as they appear and the scandals would be too many' Talk about morality when no one is watching, or listening or better yet go further into morality within our thoughts. Yes, thoughts because our God (the Almighty God) before Him no creature is hidden all are naked and laid bare to the eyes of Him to whom we must render an account (Heb 4:13) He is One who searches the hearts and minds... and would judge the secret thoughts of all through Jesus Christ.(Rom 2:16)
These guys you mentioned, I'm sure you don't go about vouching for and trusting people behind a moniker on an online forum. For, the 'ex-pastor-now-atheist' Hardmirror his story was a really sad one, I tried to read it all but he had too many comments in-between. Some verses came to my mind when I read it actually did more good to me than discourage me. I also hope that you are not trying to vouch for someone who misled many people into believing what he didn't believe in himself and is not bold enough to own up and apologise to the folks that he misled.

This guy just proved to me that he is a TRUE CHIRSTIAN. A true Christian is one who defends the faith, no matter the numerous potholes spotted in it. Guy, you are a very true christian for all these excuses you put above. Were you not told that pastor letsego has a wife already? So you mean it is good keeping a girlfriend after having a wife? And then posting your manhood around to your girlfriend? Yes, you are biblically right because Solomon did worse, even David too. So Kumuyi was in error when 'deeper life was deeper life?' (when TV WAS DEVIL BOX?) RIDE ON, THESE LIES YOU ARE SHARING... DIARISGODO

Glory to God for the compliment, you can become an even better christian if you repent and accept Jesus Christ. Can you renounce your bloodline because of issues or potholes as you call it that can easily be fixed, even if you disown your family? I am a christian but I will not tell you to trust or believe all christians, I don't. pastor letsego had a wife, Yes I know. My question is what's wrong with sending your girlfriend a picture of your genitals? Is it wrong for you atheists? I must say it is apparent that he didn't know God and His righteous judgement that I harp on about. When you are born of the Spirit of God, God will put His law in your heart and you will walk in His statutes.

For Biodun Fatoyinbo, some of his rape cases will appear in the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH, according to the testimonies I have gathered up and down from ex-members. His case of sexual affair with Ese Walter will no doubt appear too. All the pastors (past or present) whobhave commited evil will not escape the CHRONICLE OF THE DOCTUFOS. Even what Pastor Elijah Akinade did will be revealed, as well as what REVEREND KING did, Including that of Pastor Letsego and backtracking to Eusebius and Constantine, the AUTHORS AND FINISHERS OF YOUR CONFUISON(called faith). See the DOCTUFOS HERE: https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

Are you serious? you gather testimonies from ex-members lol. Who goes about looking for scandals? Why don't you use that passion to search for the real Jesus Christ not in churches but through the Bible? First find out the authencity of the Bible then Look for Jesus. Find out if He is true or not. You will be able to convince people with those type reports than sharing scandals about ex-members of churches who neither searched for God being abused by pastors who do not know the God of the bible.

Once again, I maintain this statement ANYDAY, ANYTIME!!!

I'll assume you are not attractive to pretty ladies and probably do not have the means to keep more than one. Then I will understand why you insist that an atheist nigerian man doesn't and wouldn't deceitfully sleep with girls because of his 'morals'

Gayjesus:


Based on your Christian teaching,can a christian go to hell fire or not? Like the OP said,what is the minimum criteria to go to heaven?

Who is a Christian?

hopefulLandlord:


nah, when I die, I stay dead; maybe you might find yourself in that hell fire since you believe in it so much

why not go die in battle so that Odin can grant you entry into Valhalla?

You spoke like a Child here.

CHARLOE:

What if u die n discover d Muslim hell is d real hell?

If i as a Christian dies and finds out the Islamic hell is the real hell, I will be far better off. Islam teaches that wen ur good deeds outweighs your bad deeds, u go to heaven. Christianity teaches that its we get born again and turn completely away from bad deeds, then we can enter heaven. As a muslim, u commit some bad deeds, but let the good deeds be more, but as a Christian no bad deeds at all, so how does someone who does no bad deeds at all end up in hellfire?

Think...

CHARLOE:

What if u die n discover d Muslim hell is d real hell?

If i as a Christian dies and finds out the Islamic hell is the real hell, I will be far better off. Islam teaches that wen ur good deeds outweighs your bad deeds, u go to heaven. Christianity teaches that its we get born again and turn completely away from bad deeds, then we can enter heaven. As a muslim, u commit some bad deeds, but let the good deeds be more, but as a Christian no bad deeds at all, so how does someone who does no bad deeds at all end up in hellfire?

Think....

DeSepiero:


You're talking 'atheism' dude. He ain't defending Islam, he's asking you a good question. Since theism is all about believe and worship of a deity. What if the Muslim God and not your God is the true God. What if you meet their hell upon dying?
Because that uncertainty of yours most probably contributes to his unbelief. Get it right!

The question is, what are the requirements to enter Allahs heaven? If a Christian stands before allah what will allah used in judging a Christian?

Allah= More good deeds, less bad deeds = Heaven

Yahweh= No bad deeds at all = Heaven.

Again, what will allah use against a Christian

otemanuduno:

If you are a believer and you are not afraid of hell, then you are a BIG LIAR. A true christian should be bothered about Hell fire, at least once a day, even though he may not be bothered by it for himself, but he should be FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN HIS RELIGION. HE SHOULD BE BOTHERED FOR HIS GRANDPARENTS AND HIS GREAT-GRANDPARENTS WHO HAVE DIED(this is eternal fire we are talking about for Otem's sake).

So, any believer who says he isn't afraid of death(for either himself or those in other religions) isn't a Christian. Anyway, ATHEISTS ARE WAY BETTER THAN CHRISTIANS, BUT I AM NEITHER AN ATHEIST NOR RELIGIOUS, BUT I BELIEVE IN ALMIGHTY GOD, NOT yahweh(satan).

Who let the dog out!!!!

TrajansKong:

They are Christians.

But of the heartless, depraved moronic kind too often found in Nigeria.

They have unquestioning belief that they'll go to heaven and they never spend one moment even considering their 'loved ones' being tortured in hell - not yesterday, not now, not ever.

Strange, sad, ugly yet fascinating people...

Wow, this is all you can do? We dont consider our loved ones being tortured in hell? Do you honestly think you have made any sense here?

Here we are right now warning our loved ones (you), What do we get in return? Insults, scorn, aspersions and all. Are our loved ones considering that we may be right?

If your younger Sister is a cheap neighbourhood lay about, and you who love her keep telling her to stop or else she could end up with HIV, but she calls u stupid and deluded, shd you kill yourself wen she comes down with HIV?

Are our loved ones considering themselves now that they have voluntarily chosen hellfire even wen they have been told what it is?

Be reasonably.

TheSixthSense:
People like you make us not to bother too much because you never listen, will you? Not only that, you insult us and your Creator. And how do you know if these other people you mentioned haven't been told? There is nothing you or anyone else can do to change God's wrath in judgement. It is the way it is. What's different as a believer is that you will come to know the truth, about life and death.

For the Grandparents, and great grand parents who never heard the gospel, God will judge them according to their works with their God-given conscience bearing witness or accusing them. Atheists are better? lol. What are their moral convictions? What's too 'evil' for an atheist not to do?
If you believe in the Almighty God and you don't know Jesus Christ then you are mistaken.
I'll advise you watch what you say about the One you try to wish away His existence, because you will be judged by His Son Jesus Christ for every thought and word you speak. If you would like to know more about the almighty God, I'm willing to share.

Brother, don't waste your words on that one.

4everGod:


Take no mind to that despiero fellow. He is always comparing Christianity with everything without knowing how he sounds. Ran from a thread I exposed him to this one.

How can someone be talking to a christian and then use islam to make an example.

Dishonesty and Atheism are 5 and 6. He thinks when a Christian sins or continues in sin he is still in Christ hence his confusion. But he would rather die than admit to his confusion.

They use Islam because they are from the same camp. You've not seen Muslims attacking Christians who go against atheists?

The Deep Calleth to the Deep.

otemanuduno:


How dare you say that I insult OUR CREATOR? ALMIGHTY GOD, the Father of Yahweh, has done nothing worth insulting. He doesn't interfere in human affair to the point of condemning them to everlasting fire forever(unlike Yahweh his bad son). So Pls don't ever lie on my head that I insult the ALMIGHTY GOD.
Now back to your confession on ATHEISTS whom you say that nothing is too 'evil' for them to do. But how frequently does an atheist do evil? I didn't hear of any bad record about Steve Jobs, Albert Einsteins and Bill Gate as well as Seun Osewa and Mark Zuckerberg, but christians are always up in the media everyday, cutting across all churches, committing atrocities. The latest gist was that of Pastor Letsego who posted his manhood mistakenly on a whatsapp group chat. Time will fail me to tell you of TB Joshua's falsified miracles, Kumuyi's devil box lies and forged miracles, Biodun Fatoyinbo's rape and fornication, Adeboye's pretence and scams, etc.

PER DAY, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF FOUR NEWS OF PASTORS COMMITTING ATROCITIES NATIONWIDE, BUT A ZERO NEWS OF ATHEISTS COMMITING ATROCITIES IN NIGERIA ON DAILY BASIS.

Pls mention one Atheist in NIGERIA who slept deceitfully with ladies and killed for rituals. NONE AS MUCH AS I KNOW!

GET THIS PERSON BACK INSIDE CONFINEMENT QUICKLY BEFORE HE HURTS SOMEONE.

DeSepiero:

I asked a simple question!
Answer it or leave it

Here is your answer, but like Malvis said, you are a robot, so i expect you to keep asking the same question further.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John:2:1

Truthman83:


If only you knew the kind of inner peace I meant. Being scared of hell is the main reason Christians fear death. What happens on the other side is a major concern of Christians and the fear they might not make heaven. You can only find this inner peace once the source of the fear is gone.

Hahahahahahahaha. Inner peace you say? lolzzz. this guy.

lets wait and see. The inner peace you have from now will be evident by how less you talk about hellfire from now onward.

What doesn't bother you, you don't bother yourself about.

We shall see

DeSepiero:


I've read the Bible probably longer than you've breathed air, so save your teachings and don't digress.

After death for the Christian, it's either heaven or hell. So once in a while the possibility of ending up in hell brings up fear. Don't bother to dispute this; even if you bring it up in Sunday school tomorrow you'll get same answer.

Why did you read the Bible?

analice107:

The question is, what are the requirements to enter Allahs heaven? If a Christian stands before allah what will allah used in judging a Christian?

Allah= More good deeds, less bad deeds = Heaven

Yahweh= No bad deeds at all = Heaven.

Again, what will allah use against a Christian

Yahweh and Allah both require belief primarily, I stand to be corrected. That will be the primary criteria for the Paradise without which the good deeds are useless.

analice107:


Why did you read the Bible?

I read the Bible then as required by my beliefs as a devote Christian.

analice107:


Here is your answer, but like Malvis said, you are a robot, so i expect you to keep asking the same question further.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John:2:1

This is why you students fail exams.
Why not answer the question as required and leave out unnecessary explanations. Who asked for advocate of the sinner?

'A true Christian mistakenly commits sin and dies right before he genuinely repents' does he go to heaven or hell?

Reply with the correct option first then state your reason.

honourhim:


Somebody fornicated and you said he is still a Christian? It means you dont even know what it means to be a Christian.

Are you a christain? Yes?/And since you became a xtain, you've never lied? No? If at a point you lied,then slumped...where do you think you might end up?

Anas09/analice107 claims to be a Christian but at a point while defending god, she started throwing Insults around. If she dies at that moment, where will she go? Heaven or hell?

analice107:

The question is, what are the requirements to enter Allahs heaven? If a Christian stands before allah what will allah used in judging a Christian?

Allah= More good deeds, less bad deeds = Heaven

Yahweh= No bad deeds at all = Heaven.

Again, what will allah use against a Christian

You are a 'Christian' as you claimed, do you satisfy this criteria?
Do you think you will end up in heaven if supposing you die (god forbids ) this very minute?

See them trying to throw words around who a Christian is..
A Christian is someone who believes, accepts jesus as his saviour and who does the will and act of god, a Christ like person.
However, being this Christian doesn't mean you won't at a point in your life commit a sin(lie, anger etc), nkw the question is; if at this point you die, where do you end up?

Well, As we all know, such a 'Christian' goes to hell because all his years of Righteousness do not matter, only the few minutes of sin that counts.
Even Jesus, got angry at a point in his life...how much more a mere human..



I think Allah is more merciful, its your good deeds that count..
Christain god is like an average human; people won't talk about the many good things you did, but they will remind and judge you by the one mistake you made..

Dejideji1:
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Propaganda

The fear of death is a natural phenomenon and it applies to all living things. Whether you are religious or not does not matter. When you come face to face with death, the fear will come from within. its a natural response (probably due to the pain and discomfort associated with the transition and the body is wired/conditioned to always avoid anything that will cause pain or injury,)

So correct yourself, Christianity does NOT plant the fear of death in us.
Therefore your claim of losing fear in death because you embraced Atheism is a blatant lie.

Christianity offers hope of an afterlife no matter how vague it may seem to you, but as an atheist, you are hopeless and you are not even 100% sure that nothing lies ahead. you base your conclusion on a 2nd person observation of the cessation of life.

What if after death you find out that heaven and hell are real, how will you sort yourself out?

We can't go for a religion whose certainty will be verified only after this life is over.

We are hopeless because we are not ready to subscribe to fairy tales while creating imaginary friends plus an imaginary enemy alongside with an imaginary paradise.

Its a privilege for the universe to have simulated me into life and existence while I give proper credits to whom/what credit belongs to.

Christianity doesn't create the fear of death but the fear of hell with the boresome of heaven.

What if heaven is another form of hell

quivah:

You are a 'Christian' as you claimed, do you satisfy this criteria?
Do you think you will end up in heaven if supposing you die (god forbids ) this very minute?

Yes sir am certain of that fact.
And, there's no need to forbid death for me at any moment. Am a Christian and death is a passage to eternal life foe me. There's nothing wrong with death. To be here on earth is to be away from Christ, but to die is to be present with Christ. Its a means of Glorification.

Those who fear death don't know who they are in Christ or are living in sin.

If a Christian stands before Allah, he wont have anything to say, because a Christian will be squicky clean, while he only demands more good deeds and less bad deeds as a requirement.

DeSepiero:


This is why you students fail exams.
Why not answer the question as required and leave out unnecessary explanations. Who asked for advocate of the sinner?

'A true Christian mistakenly commits sin and dies right before he genuinely repents' does he go to heaven or hell?

Reply with the correct option first then state your reason.

See? That is where you are wrong. No one commits sin by mistake. Every sin has a motive. Every single sin. Always premeditated. Any Christian who commits sin must first be cautioned by the inner witness against it, but if the Christian goes on to disobey, then...

DeSepiero:


I read the Bible then as required by my beliefs as a devote Christian.

That's good, that's what i wanted to hear.

You read the Bible, you never studied the Bible, that's why u remained at Logos level. No one ever receives the rhema of the word and turns to call Jesus a curse.

Here is where the scripture describes you...

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Hebrews:4:2


Guy, I wish you luck. The Holy Spirit speaks to me every day, that's becos i want to hear him.

DeSepiero:


Yahweh and Allah both require belief primarily, I stand to be corrected. That will be the primary criteria for the Paradise without which the good deeds are useless.

I wont be born again if i don't believe nah.

analice107:

See? That is where you are wrong. No one commits sin by mistake. Every sin has a motive. Every single sin. Always premeditated. Any Christian who commits sin must first be cautioned by the inner witness against it, but if the Christian goes on to disobey, then...

I understand you but you're evading my question by poking holes in it. How am I wrong? By mentioning mistakenly? So Christians don't sin mistakenly (unknowingly) again?
Don't you mention that "God should forgive you sins you committed knowingly or unknowingly" in your prayers again? I believe you prayed for forgiveness in church today; if you attended. We're talking honesty here.

You probably just joined against me in my argument because I sounded pretty much like an unbeliever. In case you didn't know why I asked the question initially. " I was of the opinion that Christians are not exempted from the fear of death and hell. Since being a Christian isn't automatic passport to heaven". A Christian could still go to hell according to Christian beliefs if they default without repentance upon death.

So please spare me the endless teachings on Christian doctrines. I know 'em all.

quivah:

Are you a christain? Yes?/And since you became a xtain, you've never lied? No? If at a point you lied,then slumped...where do you think you might end up?

Anas09/analice107 claims to be a Christian but at a point while defending god, she started throwing Insults around. If she dies at that moment, where will she go? Heaven or hell?

That's the very simple question I've asked since yesterday, they'll all come up with one unnecessary explanation while avoiding the question. Being crooked just to win arguments and save their ego.

analice107:

That's good, that's what i wanted to hear.

You read the Bible, you never studied the Bible, that's why u remained at Logos level. No one ever receives the rhema of the word and turns to call Jesus a curse.

Here is where the scripture describes you...

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Hebrews:4:2


Guy, I wish you luck. The Holy Spirit speaks to me every day, that's becos i want to hear him.

Reading the bible didn't mean I wasn't studying the Bible.
Stop the false assumption. That's bad reasoning.