dani1luv:

According to the book of Deuteronomy 24: 16 Which says. .

The fathers shall not be put ot death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers;
every man shall be put to death for his own sin. .

Then according to this passage why do we suffer from the sins of our fore-fore-fore-fore fathers. . (Adam and Eve)

dani1luv:

According to the book of Deuteronomy 24: 16 Which says. .

The fathers shall not be put ot death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers;
every man shall be put to death for his own sin. .

Then according to this passage why do we suffer from the sins of our fore-fore-fore-fore fathers. . (Adam and Eve)

mazaje:

Which one be adam and eve again? The entire tale is a myth just as the various god hypothesis and stories are also a myth. . . . . There are billions of people who believe in a god, but the fact that all the god hypothesis and stories are nothing but an idea and not an omnipotent, omnipresent whatever-you-want-to-call-it that people will love to believe in. . . . .The entire god hypothesis is just an idea and people are worshiping this idea and believe that this idea is real, even though there is no proof to back it up. . . all the have as evidence is endless mythical stories that have no basis ın reality to point to as their evidence for their various gods. . . .

Don't spoil the party now,mazaje.Let us just take the story at face value so that we can really have a go at this "loving" god religious folks want to spend a whole eternity kissing his backside.

Ascony:

But according to the so called myth, we die and suffer today because of the sins of adam and eve, can u choose not to die and suffer?

automatically you are free from all the suffer and you will live enternally with christ Jesus

Pelagianism is a theological theory named after Pelagius (AD 354 – AD 420/440). It is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid. Thus, Adam's sin was "to set a bad example" for his progeny, but his actions did not have the other consequences imputed to Original Sin. Pelagianism views the role of Jesus as "setting a good example" for the rest of humanity (thus counteracting Adam's bad example) as well as providing an atonement for our sins. In short, humanity has full control, and thus full responsibility, for obeying the Gospel in addition to full responsibility for every sin (the latter insisted upon by both proponents and opponents of Pelagianism). According to Pelagian doctrine, because men are sinners by choice, they are therefore criminals who need the atonement of Jesus Christ. Sinners are not victims, they are criminals who need pardon.

Pelagius was opposed by Augustine of Hippo, one of the most influential early Church Fathers. When Pelagius taught that moral perfection was attainable in this life without the assistance of divine grace through human free will, Augustine contradicted this by saying that perfection was impossible without grace because we are born sinners with a sinful heart and will. The Pelagians charged Augustine on the grounds that the doctrine of original sin amounted to Gnosticism: the Gnostics taught that the flesh was in itself sinful (and they denied that Jesus came in the flesh) – and this charge will have carried added weight since contemporaries will have known that Augustine himself had been a Gnostic before his conversion to Christianity. Augustine also taught that a person's salvation comes solely through an irresistible free gift, the efficacious grace of God, and that no free choice was involved in salvation. The debate between Pelagius and Augustine was essentially that between free will and original sin. Augustine was not successful in having Pelagius condemned by the Church. He therefore had the political powers severely persecute him.[citation needed]
Pelagianism was attacked in the Council of Diospolis[1] and condemned in 418 at the Council of Carthage.[2] These condemnations were ratified at the Council of Ephesus in 431. The strict moral teachings of the Pelagians were influential in southern Italy and Sicily, where they were openly preached until the death of Julian of Eclanum in 455.[3] As a movement, Pelagianism ceased to exist after the 6th century although its ideas continued to cause disputes.[4]

Pelagianism received its name from Pelagius and designates a heresy of the fifth century, which denied original sin as well as Christian grace.

1.Even if Adam had not sinned, he would have died.
2.Adam's sin harmed only himself, not the human race.
3.Children just born are in the same state as Adam before his fall.
4.The whole human race neither dies through Adam's sin or death, nor rises again through the resurrection of Christ.
5.The (Mosaic Law) is as good a guide to heaven as the Gospel.
6.Even before the advent of Christ there were men who were without sin.

Pastor AIO:

Heresy, heresy, heresy, heresy!! Nairaland is full of heresies these days. Yesterday it was the heresy of Donatism (I thought that my contributions to that thread would provoke some interesting responses but I am astonished to find that no one was interested) and today we have moved on to the heresy of Pelagianism.
All you christians need to go and read St. Augustine very thoroughly. Do you not realise that since the early Catholic Orthodox church embraced his theology then anybody that says anything contrary to Augustine is a heretic? Acquaint yourselves with Augustine lest you end up in Hell!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism

Ascony:

but christains still suffer that harsh realities of life as same as unbelievers

Ascony:

and the life after death issue doesn't have proof, can u prove evidently that u will have a conscious life after death?

princekevo:


Augustine was not successful in having Pelagius condemned by the Church. He therefore had the political powers severely persecute him.[citation needed]
Pelagianism was attacked in the Council of Diospolis[1] and condemned in 418 at the Council of Carthage.[2] These condemnations were ratified at the Council of Ephesus in 431.
What makes a man who used political power to persecute his rival a saint, jst becoz he didnt share with his view?

princekevo:

What makes a man who used political power to persecute his rival a saint, jst becoz he didnt share with his view?
Is there anything different from muslims of today in what he did then, Condenming, attacking and killing anyone who does'nt sahre their belives?