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Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Abagworo(m): 2:10pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
ow11: don't waste your time on these know-alls.i once opened up a thread on why igbos and ijaws should unite and they turned it from political to tribal. @ow11.ijaw just like igbo is balkanized whether you like it or not.sub-groups are now ethnic groups and love it that way.the wise ones know the truth while the naive ones believe the grand lies perpetuated by northerners to control them and their resources.visit the kalabari thread in culture and notice where kalabaris denied ijaw. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Nobody: 2:27pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
Ikwerre's have always contested that they are not IGBOS, so why is the author referring to them as IGBOS?? please change the topic to Ikwerre vs Ijaw and dont bring Igbos to this fight thank you |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Afam(m): 2:49pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
kaecy5: I guess the author knows the fact because they are their neighbors in the same state so should know their correct ethnic group. It does not matter that an Ikwerre man may claim not to be Igbo. We know the facts. Remember that people become Igbo when it is convenient for the people labeling them. For example, the first military coup was led by Nzeogwu from the Mid West but all references by Nigeria to justify the senseless massacre of Igbos especially in the north referred to Nzeogwu as Igbo. Sounds familiar? |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by phantom(m): 4:30pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
It beats me how a group of people collectively decide to decieve themselves, ikwerres are ibos, the okrikas,kalabaris,opobo,bonny are boderline ijaws , i.e ibos with a stronger ijaw influence or should i say mixed blend, |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by ow11(m): 4:59pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
phantom: The statement should have read thus, Ijaws with Igbo Influence (Especially Bonny and Okrika). |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Nobody: 7:47pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
Afam: very beautiful quote |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 9:25pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
Look, I am still not sure that Okrika is Ijaw. Look. I have run the Okrika with the Ijaw dictionary and also run it with Nembe dictionary. It is hard to believe that Okrika is Ijaw. Even simple word like tara which mean loves that every nigerian knows in Ijaw does not mean love in Okrika. kùròchíbělémà or belema that is what love in Okrika. How can the languages be the same. There is someone here from River state with a master degree , he said they are not ijaw but an ethnics group of its own. that most non small non igbo ethnics group would rather prefered to be called Ijo than been refered to as igbos during the fight against igbos people in the east. According to this person they need the ijaws to fight for them since they are smaller. So every small ethnic group rather refered to themself as Ijaw than igbo because of oppression. same thing in the north were every small ethnics group is refered to as hausas. even when they are not. Do you know fulani and hausa share same words, but they are different ethnics group. I think Okrika are Okrika people, Ijaws are Ijaws. If you can look at that Okrika dictionary and get up to 21% of the word to be Ijaw. May be I may change my mind. But at this moment Okrika are Okrika people, Ijaws are Ijaws people. And looking at the words in the dictionary, Okrika is far apart from Ijaw word, it does not look the same. some word may, but mores are not, it is like hausa and yoruba apart. The word mama is used by several ethnics group all over the word. Look here are example Look human being is call keme in ijo but in Okrika , it is call tomb'bo . How does that look like dialet to you. In a dialet. Spelling may be different by one or 2 letter or differently pronounced. Something is wrong here. It is either some people are telling a lie or something is wrong. Here is it, run all the ijo into Okrika, you would see that it look likes Hausa against Yoruba words. They do not mean the same. They mostly are not igbo word. My mistake when I said 70% igbos. But large igbo word. Does any Hausa dialet sound like Igbo to you. Ijaw dictionary http://www.ijawdictionary.com/menu/index.php?show=T Okrika dictionary. http://www.rogerblench.info/Language%20data/Niger-Congo/Ijoid/KIRIKE%20dictionary.pdf Look go and ask Jonathan(ijaw) or Dokubo(ijaw) if they understand what this Okrika words belows means. Look no matter how a yoruba man speak a dialet of Yoruba, I would have an idea what he is saying. But when normal average Ijaw man does not even make sense of Okrika and Afam an igboman is telling the meaning of okrika words and all this igbo online can explain what this Okrika words means, what does that tell you about the Okrika man, Jonathan and Dokubo need interprenter to understand to this words in the Okrika dictionary. Now I have a question, how would the Okrikas give thier city Igbo look alike names , and not Ijaws is that not telling us a story Can someone tell me how. it looks like Okrika are Okrika people, Ijaws are Ijaws people. And why did Isaac Boro, not decleared the republic of Niger Delta in Port Harcourt, but Yenagoa The other time you came up with Igbos are from Ijebu igbo. ? This are Okrika word. They do not look like ijaw. All this word, are not ijaw. chá chákácháká chákárápù . chákpòm chámā . chárátātāmâ ché chèbù chèchèétùò=chèch ètùbò chéì chès chètì chèyè' Chèyèéábǔosò chèyègósè chían chíanmā chíẹchí chíẹchíẹchìẹ chíẹkírí chíẹkórū chíẹmâ chìẹmàchíẹmá chíẹmágbín chíẹsímè chíkíchíkí chíkíchíkíb.a chìkìrìchíkírí chín n stick chìn-àrú=chìànrú chì'n chíná chíngbó chìnpíkī chínpúmbúrò chìnsàpú chírā chìrá chírāpū chìrì chírì chírómā chìsá chìtà choò chóchì chóm-chòm-chóm chókò chú chû chúá chúá chù'à chúachìè chúagbín chúajíkā chúan chúapíkī chúasîn chúayé chúkán chúkō chúkú Chúkwúàbìamà chúkúchúa chúkúchúayé chúkúfórù' Chúkúní chúkúrúmā chúumú chúná ch'puǒ chuò` chuò`fûn chù'ọgbó chùràchùrá a. chùràmàá chúrú |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 9:38pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
Even gullah in the USA, which is nearly 9000 miles away and 200 years old they left africa, still look yoruba. While the one 20 km from ijo land is different. Somebody is playing game.
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Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by AloyEmeka6: 9:40pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
becomrich,: Is that where Michelle Obama is from? Gullah-Yoruba ethnic group of Illinois? |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Abagworo(m): 10:51pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
becomrich,: you never miss making unfounded claims.let me ask this. apart from those with tribal marks,is it easy to distinguish between yorubas and igbos?nigerian artist banky w. looks igbo to you.mariam babangida looks hausa.those things are just mere psyche.the difference between ijaws in bayelsa and those in rivers is just that the later has more occurence of slightly fair people.but all nigerians look alike. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 11:49pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
Chúkwúàbìamà look at that word. Even me that is yoruba, can that is pure igbo. Anything chukwu in Nigeria, it belong to una people. Igbo kwenu. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by udezue(m): 11:55pm On Oct 19, 2009 |
lol @ Becomerich so I guess now Ijo is ur new obsession. Igbos should breathe sigh of relief we are not the ones you are questioning about our background. Whether Okrika ppl are Chinese no be ur business and you aint getting anything out of it so leave em alone. jeeezzzz |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by udezue(m): 1:40am On Oct 20, 2009 |
We don't need Ijo and Igbo clashing over a freaking swamp so I hope Amaechi takes care of the situation. God bless em all. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by naijaking1: 4:28am On Oct 20, 2009 |
Am still waiting for an Ikwerre side of this story |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 11:16am On Oct 20, 2009 |
it does not look like Okrika. Look for the kalabari man, we give them the coast, all kalabari people is easy to get to Republic of Benin. see map.
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Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 11:41am On Oct 20, 2009 |
Tom Ateke is Okrika man. If you ask Tom Ateke the meaning of Chúkwúàbìamà, he would tell you the meaning. You would notice he was the first to meet yar Adua because he believes he is not an Ijaw man. So believe me. Dont get 419. This word are not Ijaw word. And that why the Icelanders lead by Tom Ateke an Okrika man was responsible for rigging Odili and others to become governor of river state. Have you ask why they did not rig for Ijaw men. But for only Igbo like people. Tom Ateke and Okrika people see themself as Igbo not ijaw. Is just everybody want oil and money. chá chákácháká chákárápù . chákpòm chámā . chárátātāmâ ché chèbù chèchèétùò=chèch ètùbò chéì chès chètì chèyè' Chèyèéábǔosò chèyègósè chían chíanmā chíẹchí chíẹchíẹchìẹ chíẹkírí chíẹkórū chíẹmâ chìẹmàchíẹmá chíẹmágbín chíẹsímè chíkíchíkí chíkíchíkíb.a chìkìrìchíkírí chín n stick chìn-àrú=chìànrú chì'n chíná chíngbó chìnpíkī chínpúmbúrò chìnsàpú chírā chìrá chírāpū chìrì chírì chírómā chìsá chìtà choò chóchì chóm-chòm-chóm chókò chú chû chúá chúá chù'à chúachìè chúagbín chúajíkā chúan chúapíkī chúasîn chúayé chúkán chúkō chúkú Chúkwúàbìamà chúkúchúa chúkúchúayé chúkúfórù' Chúkúní chúkúrúmā chúumú chúná ch'puǒ chuò` chuò`fûn chù'ọgbó chùràchùrá a. chùràmàá chúrú |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by ow11(m): 11:56am On Oct 20, 2009 |
Oya becomerich, you are too funny. . . I like the way you come to your conclusions however, What is the meaning of Ateke in Igbo? What does prayer mean in Ijaw? |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Abagworo(m): 12:08pm On Oct 20, 2009 |
@ow11.just ignore that man.igbos say adia ibua awi ara.(2 persons no dey mad thesame time) |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by complove: 12:29pm On Oct 20, 2009 |
Owl1, that no bi excuse. my friend who bi igbo name is Ateke. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 1:07pm On Oct 20, 2009 |
Ateke in yoruba is also a yoruba word. Okrika people were the first people to start importing and selling second cloth in Nigeria. And go and ask any nigerian, what language were they speaking. they would tell you it was not Ijaw but Igbo. They were speaking Igbo. And anywhere in nigeria, they call second hand cloth Okrika. Have you seen any nigerian call second hand cloth by the name Ijaw before, No. It goes by Okrika. I have to go , see you later in the day. when i come back. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by ow11(m): 1:20pm On Oct 20, 2009 |
Abagworo: I probably would have to. He seems to 'know' a lot about RV state. Abagworo do you know why 2nd handed clothes are called Okrika? Becomerich's reason is entirely wrong. complove: True. . . I can be an Igbo man and name my child Ahmed. However, Ateke is a typical RV name and the meaning is obvious to any Ijaw speaker. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Dede1(m): 6:56pm On Oct 20, 2009 |
becomrich,: This is a conjectural nonsense. The Abriba folks were first to import second hand clothing into Nigeria as well as West Africa. As for the Okrika being referred as second hand clothing goes beyond the history of Okrika but Ijo in general. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by ow11(m): 8:21pm On Oct 20, 2009 |
Dede1: I did learn that during the civil war, used clothings were distributed to Biafran civilians by relief agencies and the clothes came via Okrika. Is this true? |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 12:02am On Oct 21, 2009 |
Even the writer of Orkirika dictionary stated that Okrika was an ethnics group of its own. Not a clan of the ijaw. And he compare the language to Ijo, igbo and others Now I know what the problem is. In the dictionary the writer stated that Okrika is a mix of serveral nigeria languages. That there are 15 languages that make up Okrika. I believe it is because port harcourt is a multi ethnics city / here are the list of the languages in Orkirika Ikwere , ijaw , igbo, ogoni, english,efik, hausa,Ibibios yoruba ,ibani, ataba, kabari ,owu, yasikima ,andoni |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Dede1(m): 12:22am On Oct 21, 2009 |
ow11: The act of referring second hand clothing as Okrika preceded the Nigeria/Biafra civil. It would not be surprise if Okrika people really embarked on smuggling second hand clothing into Biafra as a token toward the war effort on the part of Biafra. The relationship between Ndigbo and Okrirka is above the politics of divide and rule the outsiders have tried to inject. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 1:22am On Oct 21, 2009 |
the idea of calling second and cloth Orkirika was because they would say, "you want go by from Orkirka" who were the seller. Most time people dont know thier name but thier ethnics group. The yorubas would call every northerner "Aboki" , which means friend. from the hausa word for friend. while the yoruba man would call every igboman , Una. From the igbo word which mean "brother". |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by becomrich15: 2:01am On Oct 21, 2009 |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by complove: 8:46pm On Oct 25, 2009 |
u run |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by mekuslogan: 9:59pm On Oct 25, 2009 |
Complove=Becomerich |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by Nobody: 5:55am On May 27, 2011 |
:-x |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by autoKay: 5:49am On May 09, 2013 |
Aloy~Emeka:Why use Ikwerre-Igbos? The Ikwerres claim not to be igbos. Why not address them as Ikwerres. Or is Ikwerre not strong to stand alone? Must put Ibo when there activities does not favour u. We igbos are watching. One of the causes of the War in 1967 was the inclusion of an Igbo Town (Port-Harcourt) into the new minority state by Gowon. And today ph and ikwerres are not longer ibo. |
Re: Igbo Hegemony In PH May Brew Another Tribal War by kunlekunle: 6:29am On May 09, 2013 |
its not possible where ASARI dey |
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