PastorAIO:


olboi, if you are not sure of the existence of Emperor Nero then no wahala, let us find something that we both can agree on that exists.

Would you agree that I exist and I am writing this post to you on this day of 10 of October, 2016AD?

If you agree that then I ask you, How many years before today was Jesus born?

raphieMontella:

stop being silly...being silly doesnt pay...
Mr Good grammar..this is what you did and shamed yourself before..
Learn to be mature...it will help you a lot..

felixomor:


In less than 24 hours more than 4 different people confirmed ur stupidity.
U r the one who should hide.
Do that.

raphieMontella:

where did i say you should hide?
I said stop....
And who are the more than four people who called me ''stupid'' or confirmed my stupidity in less than 24 hours?

felixomor:

Check ur mnentions

raphieMontella:

you made the claim remember?

felixomor:

Just as u made a claim that I "shamed myself" on this thread.

raphieMontella:
stop being silly...being silly doesnt pay... Mr Good grammar..this is what you did and shamed yourself before.. Learn to be mature...it will help you a lot..

raphieMontella:

I hate nasty lies

this is what i wrote..
I never said on this thread...
So who are the more than four people?

felixomor:

Just as u made a claim that I "shamed myself" on this thread.

raphieMontella:

good!
You definitely know what ''shamed yourself'' meant...
So who are the more than four people?
If you cant provide them..i'll understand..
Simple as abc

felixomor:

Have u showed how and where I "shamed myself before"? The claim u made above?

raphieMontella:

you really want to say you've not made any ''typo'' before??
For real?

felixomor:


No, man I am sure emperor Nero existed.
He is a fact.
I just want to be sure u also agree that he existed

Do u believe he existed?

raphieMontella:

you really want to say you've not made any ''typo'' before??
For real?

PastorAIO:


As long as you believe he existed that is all I need to work with. Do you also believe that he was crowned emperor on 54AD?

If yes, then can you tell me how many years before he was crowned was Jesus born?

felixomor:


Do u believe along with me that he existed?
Do u?
Just making sure we are on the same page.

PastorAIO:


What I believe is not necessary for you to answer the question I asked. If you know you don't want to answer just leave it.

felixomor:


No, it is
We are both on the topic of historical people: fact vs fiction.
From time to time, historical landmarks that are common to both of us must be ascertained in order for proper discussion to continue.

PastorAIO:


If you promise me that you will answer the question, How many years before Nero was crowned emperor was Jesus born?, in the subsequent post I will tell you what I think about Nero's existence, even though Nero is not a bible character and this thread is about bible characters.

Of course I believe you will still fail to answer the question, but I'm doing this to expose you.

felixomor:


I have already promised that before. And my promise will not fall to the ground.

Go ahead, did Emperor Nero exist?

PastorAIO:


Your failures to answer questions are already well known. Anyway shaaa.

Yes I believe with almost total certainty that Nero did exist.

Now, how many years before he was crowned emperor was Jesus born?

felixomor:


Good to know we both agree Nero existed.

Now the answer to ur question is
54 years with a margin of error of about 2years backwards.

PastorAIO:


The Census of Quirinius was a census of Judaea taken by Publius Sulpicius Quirinius, Roman governor of Syria, upon the imposition of direct Roman rule in 6 CE.[1] The Jewish historian Josephus portrays the annexation and census as the cause of an uprising which later became identified with the Zealot movement.

The author of the Gospel of Luke uses it as the narrative means by which Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Luke 2:1-5),[2] and places the census within the reign of Herod the Great, who actually died 10 years earlier in 4 BCE.[3] No satisfactory explanation has been put forward which could resolve the contradiction, and most scholars think that the author of the gospel made a mistake.[4][5]

- Wikipedia

2 In those days la decree went out from mCaesar Augustus that all the world should be nregistered. 2 This was the first nregistration when1 Quirinius owas governor of Syria.

-Luke Chapter 2

The census happened in 6 AD.

Now for me to get to the whole point that I've been trying to make, and would have made a lot easier if you hadn't been dancing atilogwu:

There is absolutely no way that you can base a calendar system accurately on someone whose dates and times are so vague and unknown.

Dionysus created the AD/BC system based on guess work and not on any hard evidence of the existence, or life events, of anybody.

Thank you very much.

felixomor:


Dont hurry away. Even all the dates u mention are estimates.

Dionysus is not the only person who has worked on the date of Jesus birth.
It is even clearly stated in ur copied Wikipedia pages that his system was accepted until scholars tried to appropriately estimate the date of birth of Jesus and as a result had to put a margin of error on his date of birth.
And even after the scholars estimated the birth of Jesus year, it still fell around 3-1BC
And that is not bad at all.

Does that change the fact that the system was built on the life of Jesus?
Absolute NO.

felixomor:
We are in the year 2016 AD.
And somebody is asking such a question.
I think u should ask first what 'A.D" means after 2016.

Then u would get some clue.
If really, u are after clues.

It is even clearly stated in ur copied Wikipedia pages that his system was accepted until scholars tried to appropriately estimate the date of birth of Jesus and as a result had to put a margin of error on his date of birth.
And even after the scholars estimated the birth of Jesus year, it still fell around 3-1BC

PastorAIO:


You seem to have forgotten where this conversation is coming from. Remember when you said this? :



You were making a claim that our calendar system which is a fixed solid thing, not wishy washy at all, is an evidence for the Life of Jesus.

How can you build a solid house on a shaky foundation. The events of Jesus' life that AD/bc is based on is not solid. Ad bc is based on guesswork and supposition not on any hard evidence of any event in Jesus' life.

And you only confirm this further when you say things like:



So in other words you are still guessing. Ad/bc is based on mythologies not on solid historical events.

The census of quirinius was in 6 ad. That is nowhere near 3-1bc.

furthermore Luke made a mistake of also saying that it occurred during Herod's reign and herod died in 4bc. That gives us a 10 year discrepancy.
Is a 10 year discrepancy a good thing to base a calendar on?

felixomor:


Dont hurry away. Even all the dates u mention are estimates.

Dionysus is not the only person who has worked on the date of Jesus birth.
It is even clearly stated in ur copied Wikipedia pages that his system was accepted until scholars tried to appropriately estimate the date of birth of Jesus and as a result had to put a margin of error on his date of birth.
And even after the scholars estimated the birth of Jesus year, it still fell around 3-1BC

felixomor:

No where in history of events around the birth and the times of Herod is the date fixed.
They are all estimates.
There is even some evidence that Herod died in 1BC
Please use ur google well.
Or do u want to argue that the dates of Herod are fixed?

felixomor:


There is even some evidence that Herod died in 1BC

PastorAIO:




You don't see how you are making my point for me, can you?

You said a dating system that was invented in 525 ad but was supposed to start from 0 ad was evidence of the historicity of Jesus yet you cannot peg any single event in Jesus' life to the dating system.
Go and think about this fact.

PastorAIO:


Lol. And Quirinius' census was in 6AD.

felixomor:

Bros, there is nothing like 0AD
Pls study the system some more

felixomor:


Ideally, the year zero would have been the year.

felixomor:


And Hmmmm, cyrenius census was never in 6AD
Pls Where do u get ur facts from?

PastorAIO: