Empiree:
^^^ friendchoice

Honestly, you should be subtle in your speech. Your approach would not work even if you are correct.

I dont believe in the idea of Karbala having more rewards than visit to Kaaba. That's common sense. And no muslim should believe otherwise. I know you are referring to me and some people here. That's okay. I am not in support of some of the Shi'a practices.

So you trying lump Shi'a, Sufi and christianity all together makes no sense. I have been on NL for a while. Maybe you should point out where my stands have been in conflict with Islam since i have been a member. Please do.

It is up to Shi'a to clarify what the man in the video said. Besides, I try to be as just as i can towards them. The first thing to do when you watched the video is to try to give them excuses, verify veracity of the guy's claims and review his claims with Shia members here, their scholars and their literature before you conclude. I am sure you don't understand the language in the video.

So i have watched the video and I understood what he said based on translations. I took his words for him. But when I searched internet, I did not see the claims the man made in the video. Maybe he made his stuff up. I don't know. Maybe he's correct, I don't know but i did not see any text reference for his claims. You can help me post a link if you have one. Thanks. He could as well be a jerk, you know.

Your problem is you were in or joined crazy sufi people and you have no idea how to control your aggression against sufism after you left the group. You once said you were made to bow to or kiss a Sheikh's feet. But I was never into this. All those things are strange to me. So I will allow you to rant and make as many allegations as you can. I was never in any sufi group.

I grew up muslim. Many of you that now go against basic principles of sufism were really in deviant sects but i was in none. it means you did not know what you were doing. You didn't know basics. You were "taqlid" people but I was not. So keep making all sorts of allegations against me. Your behaviour resembles someone tortured in prison, when he finally gets out, he becomes devil himself. Sufism is not sect. It is now they make it like that. Sufism is spiritual heart of islam. Thats the essence and that's what i defend. I don't defend group(s).

AlBaqir:


# Perhaps it will be done when your scholars succeeded in curbing the atrocities of your brethren ISIS, BOKO HARAM, AL-QAEDA, EL-SHABAB etc. It seems your scholars are not doing their best, right?!

AlBaqir:
Empiree I hail thee. You really have time for these nuisances. They are clearly not student of knowledge/learning. "Thank God for the internet" - if they don't copy-paste and plagiarized, they will post youtube videos or result to insults, hatred etc. Hardly would you see them engaging in a pure academic dialogue. Sometimes I really wonder their believe in the messages of the Quran. Well it might be youth exuberance. I hope they mature and stop being nuisance.

Am off this thread.

FriendChoice:


Last year what happened in Kano on maulud day of inyas is a tragic event. Your Sufi leader said Even if D........... (SAW) will raise up from grave and challenge the maulud of inyas, they will match his head on the ground.

Anyone who can match the head of best of creation on the ground, is he a Muslim?

Alhamdulillah: His house was immediately demolished by people and police rescue him from being killed. He is arraign in Kano Sharia court and sentence 2 death.

FriendChoice:
Empiree It's a big Shame on you that you cannot defend Islam. But you can defend innovations and shirk. The truth are present, you will closed your eyes and write trashes. May Allah deliver you from the Satan that is in your heart.

MrOlai:


La ila ha ilallah!

This is serious!

MrOlai:


Subhanallah!

Albaqir! Is this true?

MrOlai:


Empiree is a full-fledged Sufi! Sufis and Shias have lots of evils in common! That's why Empiree defends Albaqir and other deviants here.

Imagine this from one of their Sheiks:

According to reports, Sheik Ibrahim Niyas in one of his books said he has a special cloth that has 70,000 pockets. In each pocket, there are 70,000 sub-pockets. In each sub-pocket again, there are 70,000 sub-pockets, on and on like that! He said that on the Day of Judgement, he will carry 70,000 persons who believe in him in each of the sub-pockets in 70,000 times and fly them into paradise! Subhanallah! Is this Islam? May Allah(SWT) forgive and have mercy on him.

Is this Islam? When the Prophet Himself(SAW) told His daughter(R.A) that he has no power to help her on the Day of Judgment?

MrOlai:


Empiree is a full-fledged Sufi! Sufis and Shias have lots of evils in common! That's why Empiree defends Albaqir and other deviants here.

Imagine this from one of their Sheiks:

According to reports, Sheik Ibrahim Niyas in one of his books said he has a special cloth that has 70,000 pockets. In each pocket, there are 70,000 sub-pockets. In each sub-pocket again, there are 70,000 sub-pockets, on and on like that! He said that on the Day of Judgement, he will carry 70,000 persons who believe in him in each of the sub-pockets in 70,000 times and fly them into paradise! Subhanallah! Is this Islam? May Allah(SWT) forgive and have mercy on him.

Is this Islam? When the Prophet Himself(SAW) told His daughter(R.A) that he has no power to help her on the Day of Judgment?

BetaThings:


Boko haram, Isis etc are denounced by Sunnis
Even Boko Haram is kiling sunnis or are they killing sunnis because they are supporting them

Your terror groups, predominantly Hezbollah receive instruction and support from the same source as all of you twelver Shias ie from Ayatollah Khamenei himself. We have videos

Major difference

And yes, Al Qaeda ENJOYED THE SUPPORT OF Shias

Your duplicity is unrivalled

ShiaMuslim:


foolishness with a loud mouth does not make you sound smart. you are just stupid. the challenge given to you from years still stands.

PLEASE PRESENT JUST ONE, ONLY, NEWS SOURCE FROM MAINSTREAM MEDIA, WHERE IT WAS REPORTED THAT A SHIA USED SUICIDE BOMBING TO KILL SUNNIS OR CHRISTIANS IN FAITH-BASED KILLING (TAKFIRI KILLING). JUST ONE! YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE!!!

the instance you are referring to is not "suicide bombing". and "suicide bombing" HAS NEVER BEEN used by Shia to bomb others from other faith in Takfiri or faith-based killings. can you deny that?

WHAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS PUBLICIZED: the Shia of Lebanon used "martyrdom operation" to target superior military target occupying their land through force. not to attack mosques, and churches to kill others or innocent people or non-combantants for their difference in faith as WAHHABISM promotes. targeting superior military occupation target through "martyrdom operation" is also used by Palestinian Sunnis against superior Israeli occupation forces occupying their land to inflict maximum damage on legitimate military enemy target. this means has been backed even by Sunni scholars like Sheikh Ahmad Yaseen who was assassinated by Israel. again, fighting occupiers of your land is way DIFFERENT from indiscriminately targeting others on faith-based killings (Takifir killings) which is promoted by the Wahhabi hatred and extremist terror ideology. RESISTANCE TO OCCUPATION is NOT TERRORISM even if Israel calls it terrorism. it is human right for every people under occupation to fight for their liberation using whatever means. even the US constitution gives right to the people to carry arms to fight for their freedom. this has nothing to do with Iran or Shia exclusively. it is not the means used that matters, but the target and purpose. but obviously, sectarianism has eaten into your skull.

that is the only point i will clarify so you do not end up with your sectarian illogical arguments. otherwise, you will fail to realize that only WAHHABISM teaches faith-based killings, a belief totally ALIEN TO ISLAM, and Muslims, be they Shia or mainstream Sunni.

BetaThings:


Boko haram, Isis etc are denounced by Sunnis
Even Boko Haram is kiling sunnis or are they killing sunnis because they are supporting them

Your terror groups, predominantly Hezbollah receive instruction and support from the same source as all of you twelver Shias ie from Ayatollah Khamenei himself. We have videos

Major difference

And yes, Al Qaeda ENJOYED THE SUPPORT OF Shias

Your duplicity is unrivalled

ShiaMuslim:


na your papa be deviant.

ShiaMuslim:


Yes, it is very true!

A visit to Karbala is worth 1000 hajj!

FriendChoice:


It's a small one. Read their doctrine Almuqamatul Hariri you will see the remaining statement. After he smuggle them into paradise, he will ask God to put him in fire and God will say no. Then his followers/student ask why? He responded that: If God should put him in fire, that's D end of the fire itself, the fire will be off and no remaining to burn others. I seek refuge from Allah on this statement.

MrOlai:


Sorry!

FriendChoice:


It's a small one. Read their doctrine Almuqamatul Hariri you will see the remaining statement. After he smuggle them into paradise, he will ask God to put him in fire and God will say no. Then his followers/student ask why? He responded that: If God should put him in fire, that's D end of the fire itself, the fire will be off and no remaining to burn others. I seek refuge from Allah on this statement.

lexiconkabir:


lol, how many birds you kill with that catapult?

ShiaMuslim:


na your papa be deviant. because if he had trained you well, you will have a little respect for others. you are displaying his immoral ways here he imparted to you.

Your head don hit ground abi? Abeg my Yoruba brothers should translate it for me!

MrOlai:


3!

ShiaKafir,
Him papa and
Him mama

MrOlai:


Subhanallah!

Albaqir! Is this true?

sino:

Let me help him bring authentic evidence, seems he cannot find it already... Please pay attention to the red and bold section of the below narration:

Sheikh Tusi reports: Narrated Muhammad bin Ismail bin Bazi, from Salih bin Uqba, from his father, from Imam Abu Jafar (A.S). (d. 114 A.H. / 732 A.D.) who said: “Whoever visits the grave of Imam al-Hussain bin Ali (A.S.) on the day of Ashura, in the month of Muharram and persists in weeping at his grave, then Allah the Glorified and Exalted will receive him on the Day of judgment with the reward of two thousand major pilgrimages (Hajj), two thousand minor pilgrimages (Umrah) and two thousand military expeditions.
The reward of each major and minor pilgrimage and military expedition will be akin to having undertaken them with the Prophet of Allah and the Rightly Guided Imams (A.S).”


The narrator said: “May I be ransomed for you, but what about him who lives in far and distant lands and is unable to travel there (i.e.to the site of the grave) on that day?

He (the Imam (A.S) said: ‘If that is so, then let such a person go out into the desert or climb up to the terrace or roof-top of his house and gesture in the direction of the grave of Imam al-Hussain (A.S.); send greetings and salutations and exert himself in invoking curses on his enemies. Thereafter he should recite two units of prayer. This ritual should be done at the beginning part of the day, before the sun passes its zenith. Thereafter, he should lament and weep over al-Hussain (A.S.), and command the people of his house, who are unaware of it, to cry over al-Hussain (A.S.). He should establish mourning in his house by expressing grief and sorrow over al-Hussain (A.S.). Some of them are to console others of their feelings of distress. If they do all this, then I am their guarantor near Allah the Exalted.’ I said (i.e. the narrator, in a state of amazement): ‘May I be ransomed for you, are you their guarantor in that?!’ He (the Imam (A.S)) said: ‘I am the guarantor for him who does that.’ I (i.e. the narrator) said: ‘But how do some of us console others?’ He (the Imam (A.S)) said: ‘You should say: “May Allah magnify our recompense due to our distress for al-Hussain (A.S.). May He establish you and us from amongst those who seek to avenge his murder, in the company of His friend, the Imam al-Mahdi (A.S) from the progeny of Muhammad.” (P.B.U.H&HF)

(The Imam (A.S) continues[b]).‘Furthermore, if one is able to abstain from spending this day in fulfilling needs, then do so, for it is a day of misfortune and calamity, in which the needs of a faithful are not fulfilled. If the need is fulfilled, it will not be blessed and he will not see any goodness in it. None of you must attempt to accumulate anything for the future in his house on that day; for he who does so will not obtain any blessings in what he has accumulated and neither will his family.[/b]

Thus if they do this, Allah will ordain for them the reward of a thousand major pilgrimages (Hajj), a thousand minor pilgrimages (Umrah) and a thousand military expeditions, as if done with the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W). Additionally, for such a person will be the recompense of the suffering of every Prophet, Messenger, Successor (of the Prophets), the Truthful and the Martyr who was killed, since the creation of the world till the Day of judgement.”

I got the above from a site that tries to establish the above narration, among others, is authentic. Click HERE for the whole gist...

Imagine, I didn't even know you also get the reward of performing 1000 jihad with the Prophet (SAW) and that one can stand on top of the roof facing Imam Husein's "Qiblah", sending salutation and offering two raka'aat! this is serious!!!

SMH!

sino:

Let me help him bring authentic evidence, seems he cannot find it already... Please pay attention to the red and bold section of the below narration:

Sheikh Tusi reports: Narrated Muhammad bin Ismail bin Bazi, from Salih bin Uqba, from his father, from Imam Abu Jafar (A.S). (d. 114 A.H. / 732 A.D.) who said: “Whoever visits the grave of Imam al-Hussain bin Ali (A.S.) on the day of Ashura, in the month of Muharram and persists in weeping at his grave, then Allah the Glorified and Exalted will receive him on the Day of judgment with the reward of two thousand major pilgrimages (Hajj), two thousand minor pilgrimages (Umrah) and two thousand military expeditions.
The reward of each major and minor pilgrimage and military expedition will be akin to having undertaken them with the Prophet of Allah and the Rightly Guided Imams (A.S).”


The narrator said: “May I be ransomed for you, but what about him who lives in far and distant lands and is unable to travel there (i.e.to the site of the grave) on that day?

He (the Imam (A.S) said: ‘If that is so, then let such a person go out into the desert or climb up to the terrace or roof-top of his house and gesture in the direction of the grave of Imam al-Hussain (A.S.); send greetings and salutations and exert himself in invoking curses on his enemies. Thereafter he should recite two units of prayer. This ritual should be done at the beginning part of the day, before the sun passes its zenith. Thereafter, he should lament and weep over al-Hussain (A.S.), and command the people of his house, who are unaware of it, to cry over al-Hussain (A.S.). He should establish mourning in his house by expressing grief and sorrow over al-Hussain (A.S.). Some of them are to console others of their feelings of distress. If they do all this, then I am their guarantor near Allah the Exalted.’ I said (i.e. the narrator, in a state of amazement): ‘May I be ransomed for you, are you their guarantor in that?!’ He (the Imam (A.S)) said: ‘I am the guarantor for him who does that.’ I (i.e. the narrator) said: ‘But how do some of us console others?’ He (the Imam (A.S)) said: ‘You should say: “May Allah magnify our recompense due to our distress for al-Hussain (A.S.). May He establish you and us from amongst those who seek to avenge his murder, in the company of His friend, the Imam al-Mahdi (A.S) from the progeny of Muhammad.” (P.B.U.H&HF)

(The Imam (A.S) continues[b]).‘Furthermore, if one is able to abstain from spending this day in fulfilling needs, then do so, for it is a day of misfortune and calamity, in which the needs of a faithful are not fulfilled. If the need is fulfilled, it will not be blessed and he will not see any goodness in it. None of you must attempt to accumulate anything for the future in his house on that day; for he who does so will not obtain any blessings in what he has accumulated and neither will his family.[/b]

Thus if they do this, Allah will ordain for them the reward of a thousand major pilgrimages (Hajj), a thousand minor pilgrimages (Umrah) and a thousand military expeditions, as if done with the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W). Additionally, for such a person will be the recompense of the suffering of every Prophet, Messenger, Successor (of the Prophets), the Truthful and the Martyr who was killed, since the creation of the world till the Day of judgement.”

I got the above from a site that tries to establish the above narration, among others, is authentic. Click HERE for the whole gist...

Imagine, I didn't even know you also get the reward of performing 1000 jihad with the Prophet (SAW) and that one can stand on top of the roof facing Imam Husein's "Qiblah", sending salutation and offering two raka'aat! this is serious!!!

SMH!

Cc ShiaMuslim

MrOlai:


These are the fabricated narrations they use in deceiving their gullible followers!

Hmmm!

Empiree:
Either way, it's wrong and shia ulama have repeatedly condemned the act.

sino:


The following are the Fatawa of 19 of the most Eminent Maraje’ of the Shi'a world
regarding the TA’ZIA or AZADARI for Imam Hussain peace be upon him
[the list below is not exhaustive, but it only enlists some of the eminent Maraje'.]

Al-Imam al-Sheikh Abdul Kareem al-Ha’ery

The Founder of the current Hawzah in the holy city of Qum.

“The hitting of swords on the heads (causing bleeding) is alright (allowed) provided there is no harm to the person doing this. Furthermore no one has the right to prohibit this (hitting the head with sword). In fact all kinds of TA’ZIAH – mourning – for SEYYED AL-SHUHADA’ – Imam Hussain – may our souls be sacrificed for him, are MUSTAHAB – desirable deeds.”

The above Fatwa by al-Imam al-Sheikh Abdul Kareem al-Ha’ery was endorsed and signed by the following eminent Maraje’:

• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Sheikh Muhammad al-Araki,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad Ridha al-Gulpaygani,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Shahab-el-Deen al-Mar’ashi al-Najafi,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Hassan al-Tabataba’e al-Qummi,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad al-Waheedi,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Mirza Jawaad al-Tabrizi,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad Saadiq al-Rouhani,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma Muhammad Mahdi al-Lankaroudi,

And many other Maraje’ and eminent scholars . . .

Al-Imam al-Sheikh Muhammad Hussain al-Naa’ini,

The teacher of the Maraje’ of the holy city of Najaf.

“There is no doubt as to the permissibility of the beating of the chest and the face with the hands to the point of redness or blackness (of the chest or the face). This is also extended to the lashing of the shoulders and the back with chains to the extent mentioned (above), and even if this led to bleeding. As for causing the bleeding of the head by sword beating, this is also allowed provided it does not lead to endangering harm, such as unstoppable bleeding or harm to the scull, etc. as it is known amongst the experts in doing this (hitting on the head).”


The above Fatwa by al-Imam al-Sheikh Muhammad Hussain al-Naa’ini was endorsed and signed by the following eminent Maraje’:

• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Mohsen al-Hakim,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad Kaadhem al-Shari’atMadari,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Abd-el-A’la al-Sabzewary,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Abul-Qassim al-Kho’i,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad Ridha al-Gulpaygani,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Ali al-Hussaini al-Seestani,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad Saadiq al-Rouhani,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Mirza Jawaad al-Tabrizi,
• Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Sheikh Hussain al-Waheed al-Khurasani,
And many other Maraje’ and eminent scholars . . .

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid al-Kho’i

The former leader of the Hawzah of the holy city of Najaf.

Question: Is there any problem with causing the bleeding of the head – TATBIR – as it is practiced, to express one’s grief about the martyrdom of our Imam Hussain peace be upon him, assuming there is going to be no permanent harm?

Answer:
There is no problem with that, given the assumption made in the question, and Allah knows best.

Question:

You stated that there is no problem in causing the bleeding of the head – known as TATBIR – if it does not lead to harm. It is said that it is not more than a permissible act, then can TATBIR be MUSTAHAB – desirable – if the intention was the upholding and honouring the Sha’a’er – signs of Allah – and sympathy with the Ahl-ul-Bayt, peace be upon them?

Answer:
Most probably Allah Almighty would give thawab – reward (the individual) – for sympathising with the Ahl-ul-Bayt if the intention is sincere.

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid al-Seestani

The current leader of the Hawzah of the holy city of Najaf.

Question:
What is the ruling regarding the lashing with chains, chest beating, and walking on fire on the occasion of mourning the martyrdom of Imam Hussain peace be upon him?

Answer:
If (these are) not associated with extreme harm or loss of limb, there is no objection.

Question:
What is the ruling regarding wearing black, and chest beating when commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain peace be upon him, as well as other infallible Imams peace be upon them?

Answer:
This is permissible, and in fact this is regarded as one of the best means of seeking nearness to Allah, since it is upholding and honouring the Sha’a’er of Allah Almighty. [This is a reference to the Qur’anic Ayah 22:32. – translator.]

MrOlai:





Shia and deception!

sino:
Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Imam al-Seyyid al-Shirazi

Question:
Some individuals say that I do not see shedding my tears as enough to express my grief for Imam Hussain (AS), his household and his followers on the day of Ashura. So is hitting myself with sword and injuring myself is allowed?

Answer:
The Hussaini Sha’a’er, including TATBIR, are some of the RAAJIH issues. TATBIR is a MUSTAHAB deed, unless it leads to death, loss of limb, or loss of faculties. (RAAJIH means MUSTAHAB that could become WAJIB depending on the circumstances - translator.).

Question:
What is your opinion regarding hitting the head with sword – TATBIR – on the day of Ashura whether or not it harms the individual?

Answer:
The most common and widely known opinion of the Fuqaha (scholars) is that the desirability (of TATBIR) is in it not being extremely harmful.

Question:
If one engages in the program of TA’ZIAH for Imam Hussain (AS), and goes on to serve the program of TA’ZIAH but does not do TATBIR, is he regarded as a sinner, who deserves to be humiliated?

Answer:
TATBIR is a desirable act, and a MUKALLAF – i.e. one who has reached the adolescence age and is duty bound – may forsake a desirable act. It is not allowed to humiliate a Mu’min, and also one who does not do TATBIR may not humiliate or insult others, or accuse them (of false things).


Question:
What is your opinion regarding the reports that Lady Zaynab (AS), when she saw the head of her brother Imam Hussain peace be upon him, being paraded in public hit her forehead on the bar of the carriage she was travelling in, causing bleeding to flow from beneath her veil, which was visible to onlookers who witnessed the event?

Answer:

Yes that is proven.

{Some of the famous references, which confirm the above report, are as follows:
• Bihaar al-Anwaar; volume 45, page 114,
• Jalaa’ al-‘Oyun; volume 2, page 238,
• Zaynab al-Kubra; page 112,
• Asraar al-Shahadah; page 474,
• Al-Muntakhab; volume 2, page 478,
• Nusrat-ul-Madhlum; page 18.

Needless to say that ‘Allamah al-Majlisi – compiler of Bihaar al-Anwaar – and Sheikh al-Shari’ah al-Isfahani have confirmed the authenticity of the report.}

Source: http://imamshirazi.com/tatbir%20fatawa.html