BornStunner1:
FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS


( 1 ) . Their story of
kingship began with Edo
prince and the Benin
recorded History .
( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said,
little were know about
yoruba existence,
meaning they were not
part of Nigeria of today
boarder or were in small
settlement close to
dahomy. yoruba are half
muslims and those with
African traditions copied or got them from Benin
civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy
mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger
. Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31
December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop
in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local
Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was
Herbert Macaulay
( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process
highly politized to being traditional . A system they try
copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin
Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered
institutions in the world because of the way it has
sustained its awesome prestige with strict and
meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour ,
discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be
bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously .
Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty
and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make
sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not
and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-
indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender
to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial
origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle
for contracts .
( 4 ) . Most of today
yoruba religion are
Benin Origin , Olokun ,
Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) ,
oronmila, Esago
(shango ) , Ayelala etc .
Many Benin traditions
and spirituality are
stillfully documented by
yorubas in high places
as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian
mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with
African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to
Edoland . . . LIE ) .
Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major
participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because
the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too
valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of
war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo
religion and medicine has still been substantial upon
the people of the Americas .
According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely
accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship
originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) .
In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural
traditions that has made its mark in the New World is
Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship
originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent
at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time . Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the
Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into
Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton ,
before his moving westward with his followers to
establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) .
Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call
IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba
dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that
Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the
outlying Yoruba areas.

Even to the point of death, you just like deceiving yourself, hope u listen to the king history of obas in edo, Oduduwa gave birth to lamurudu who gave birth to Oranmiyan, edo people request for king from oduduwa who sent Oranmiyan to edo, Oranmiyan died but was replaced by the only child of oranmiyan. Counting from that time, this present obas made it 40th king of bening from oranmiyan

BornStunner1:
,Ooni of Ife in Benin to meet his Fore Father CHAII YORUBA PPL NORGET SHAME


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Is that the same with the Emir in your picture also


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BornStunner1:
,Ooni of Ife in Benin to meet his Fore Father CHAII YORUBA PPL NORGET SHAME

Let me stun you with some free education.

topsyking:
In 1979, palace of Ooni of Ife ,The visit of Omo n'oba ni Edo Erediauwa to the palace of Ile-Ife to see the Ooni of Ife, Adesoji Aderemi, on his ascension to the throne of Benin.The following year1980 Ooni Aderemi joined his ancestors. Baba was pleased enough with Omo'n'ba to swap his black leather seat with him. Baba had seen three Benin Obas before he joined his ancestors.


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thomasjoe:
I love Yoruba people but lets speak the facts Okay?
The Title "Ewuare no Ogidigan" is re-appearing in history for the 2nd time hence the "the 2nd " attached to it ......................it is not a Yoruba word ....Kindly consult your Archives or wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewuare It means the Great Warrior King! There are so many other words adapted by the Yoruba's like Eko[Camp] , Yaba(short form of Nosayaba)[what the Lord shines with] , Idumota[Otas Neighborhood], Idumagbo[Agbos Neighborhood]...................pls you honestly know these words dont have a yoruba meaning or you cantell me what these words mean in Yoruba! Have you ever wondered why the Oba of Ife is called OOni , Oba of Oyo AlaAfin and originally Oba of Lagos ,Eleko of Eko? I dont want to go into details ! The list goes on bro! we are not interested in any arguments! you can either learn or wallow in ..................... ! The choice is yours!!! If you are humble enough you can contact me and more will be revealed !

Certain words will be shared between Related languages. .. Ogidigan means very tough/unyielding in Yoruba which describes Ewuare's character. . and simply "great" in bini. you can see they are related

idumota means place of pepper in Yoruba. .especially Ijebu and Awori dialects. .they use "Idu" a lot


Have you ever wondered why the Oba of Benin is called "Omo n ’ oba?
it's what we call oriki tradition ...

macof:


Certain words will be shared between Related languages. .. Ogidigan means very tough/unyielding in Yoruba which describes Ewuare's character. . and simply "great" in bini. you can see they are related

idumota means place of pepper in Yoruba. .especially Ijebu and Awori dialects. .they use "Idu" a lot


Have you ever wondered why the Oba of Benin is called "Omo n ’ oba?
it's what we call oriki tradition ...

9ice.
I had the street slang in mind.

Ubenedictus:
Yorubas and benins went to war, and olokun originated from benin. u should do ur research.

and what are the findings from your search? how can you convince us that Olokun Oba loju omi, Olokun iba, fun mi l'ore is from Bini?

macof:



and what are the findings from your search? how can you convince us that Olokun Oba loju omi, Olokun iba, fun mi l'ore is from Bini?

And I still don't understand why the heads of dead Benin Obas had to be buried in ife if benin was in fact their original source.
I will accept the Ekalederhan story once this has been logically explained.

BornStunner1:
FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS


( 1 ) . Their story of
kingship began with Edo
prince and the Benin
recorded History .
( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said,
little were know about
yoruba existence,
meaning they were not
part of Nigeria of today
boarder or were in small
settlement close to
dahomy. yoruba are half
muslims and those with
African traditions copied or got them from Benin
civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy
mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger
. Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31
December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop
in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local
Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was
Herbert Macaulay
( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process
highly politized to being traditional . A system they try
copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin
Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered
institutions in the world because of the way it has
sustained its awesome prestige with strict and
meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour ,
discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be
bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously .
Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty
and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make
sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not
and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-
indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender
to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial
origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle
for contracts .
( 4 ) . Most of today
yoruba religion are
Benin Origin , Olokun ,
Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) ,
oronmila, Esago
(shango ) , Ayelala etc .
Many Benin traditions
and spirituality are
stillfully documented by
yorubas in high places
as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian
mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with
African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to
Edoland . . . LIE ) .
Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major
participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because
the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too
valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of
war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo
religion and medicine has still been substantial upon
the people of the Americas .
According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely
accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship
originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) .
In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural
traditions that has made its mark in the New World is
Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship
originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent
at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time . Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the
Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into
Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton ,
before his moving westward with his followers to
establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) .
Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call
IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba
dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that
Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the
outlying Yoruba areas.

Long live the king from Ife!
This write up demonstrates the level of ignorance of Bini nairaland historians. Let me educate you.
1) Ife existed for thousands of years before Oduduwa. Ife had had rulers before Oduduwa. From Ajalorun to Oromakin through Kutukutu Obaugbo to Obatala. The kingdom was known as Ugbo, the second stage of Ife after flood devastated the First Ife on the bank of river Niger. Ugbo people who were dissatisfied by oduduwa's arrival moved out to found a new kingdom, Ugbo Kingdom in Igbokoda Ondo state. They also set up a camp in Okeigbo from where they raided Ife ceaselessly until their secrets were bursted by Moremi(another history). This kingdom is still in existence to tell its history.
Ekalerdahan wandered into the bush and probably ended up in the belly of the leopard. He had no connection with the Great Oduduwa.
2) One of the most ancient civilizations, older than Egypt and Arabia, existed on the bank of river Niger from which most tribes and languages in Africa evolved. According to the history of Ugbo kingdom, they migrated from there to present Ife after devastation by flood, they called it First Ife. The Yorubas have an account of First Ife that was a cradle of civilization known as Ife Oodaiye that was devastated by flood. The Nupe people have a history of an ancient civilization, not in Bida, but on the bank of river Niger that was known as Nyuife that was corrupted to Nupe. Scientific research and genetic mappings have also revealed that the same area was where many tribes and languages evolved from, Nyuife or Ile Ife was a cradle of civilization. This logical, empirical, and scientific based summation is completely at variance with the Ekalerdahan/Oduduwa hallucinations of our Bini brothers.
3) Take it or leave it, Nupe, Nyuife, Ife Oodaiye is where we all came from, Nupe, Yoruba, Igala, Binis etc. Upon your arrival in Benin, you met the Ijaws already on ground. This explains why Ijaws have the oldest quarters in Benin, Uzama(from Ijaw ama, meaning Ijaw land). Jacob Egarevba history of Benin agrees with this.
4) The funny writer made number of false claims. One of them being Benin Origin of Sango. This is the height of ignorance and shameless! The name is from Nupe, where we all came from, which explains the common words and closeness of our languages.
Honestly, to those who know, your write up is an advertisement of ignorance and desperation to hide the identity of your ruler.
5) Lastly, I hope the ground rent has been paid? Every Oba of Benin paid it. That is what Ekiopagha Treaty is all about. It is the treaty that clearly demonstrates the Oba does not own the land because he's an Ife prince

fatiaforreal:

Long live the king from Ife!
This write up demonstrates the level of ignorance of Bini nairaland historians. Let me educate you.
1) Ife existed for thousands of years before Oduduwa. Ife had had rulers before Oduduwa. From Ajalorun to Oromakin through Kutukutu Obaugbo to Obatala. The kingdom was known as Ugbo, the second stage of Ife after flood devastated the First Ife on the bank of river Niger. Ugbo people who were dissatisfied by oduduwa's arrival moved out to found a new kingdom, Ugbo Kingdom in Igbokoda Ondo state. They also set up a camp in Okeigbo from where they raided Ife ceaselessly until their secrets were bursted by Moremi(another history). This kingdom is still in existence to tell its history.
Ekalerdahan wandered into the bush and probably ended up in the belly of the leopard. He had no connection with the Great Oduduwa.
2) One of the most ancient civilizations, older than Egypt and Arabia, existed on the bank of river Niger from which most tribes and languages in Africa evolved. According to the history of Ugbo kingdom, they migrated from there to present Ife after devastation by flood, they called it First Ife. The Yorubas have an account of First Ife that was a cradle of civilization known as Ife Oodaiye that was devastated by flood. The Nupe people have a history of an ancient civilization, not in Bida, but on the bank of river Niger that was known as Nyuife that was corrupted to Nupe. Scientific research and genetic mappings have also revealed that the same area was where many tribes and languages evolved from, Nyuife or Ile Ife was a cradle of civilization. This logical, empirical, and scientific based summation is completely at variance with the Ekalerdahan/Oduduwa hallucinations of our Bini brothers.
3) Take it or leave it, Nupe, Nyuife, Ife Oodaiye is where we all came from, Nupe, Yoruba, Igala, Binis etc. Upon your arrival in Benin, you met the Ijaws already on ground. This explains why Ijaws have the oldest quarters in Benin, Uzama(from Ijaw ama, meaning Ijaw land). Jacob Egarevba history of Benin agrees with this.
4) The funny writer made number of false claims. One of them being Benin Origin of Sango. This is the height of ignorance and shameless! The name is from Nupe, where we all came from, which explains the common words and closeness of our languages.
Honestly, to those who know, your write up is an advertisement of ignorance and desperation to hide the identity of your ruler.
5) Lastly, I hope the ground rent has been paid? Every Oba of Benin paid it. That is what Ekiopagha Treaty is all about. It is the treaty that clearly demonstrates the Oba does not own the land because he's an Ife prince

WHAT IS THIS DUMMY SAYING?? LMAO

NORBE UR FAULT NA MTN DASH U 50# TO BROWSE

BornStunner1:



WHAT IS THIS DUMMY SAYING?? LMAO

NORBE UR FAULT NA MTN DASH U 50# TO BROWSE

Educate yourself.
Read researched findings, not all those cock and bull stories you tell your people under tree, under the influence of palmwine or ogoro in Sakpomba or Uselu

Respond point by point and I will demonstrate my Yoruba intellectual superiority to you

macof:


Certain words will be shared between Related languages. .. Ogidigan means very tough/unyielding in Yoruba which describes Ewuare's character. . and simply "great" in bini. you can see they are related

idumota means place of pepper in Yoruba. .especially Ijebu and Awori dialects. .they use "Idu" a lot


Have you ever wondered why the Oba of Benin is called "Omo n ’ oba?
it's what we call oriki tradition ...

Are you an IBILE? Traditional lagosian? I'm impressed

fatiaforreal:

Educate yourself.
Read researched findings, not all those cock and bull stories you tell your people under tree, under the influence of palmwine or ogoro in Sakpomba or Uselu

YOU YORUBAS HAVE NO DETAILED HISTORY HENCE YOUR DESIRE TO FAMILARIZE WITH THE GREAT EDO PPL .......... BUT WE REJECT YOU PPL...... REJECT!! GODFORBID!! TUFIA!!

fatiaforreal:

Are you an IBILE? Traditional lagosian? I'm impressed

I'm a lagos ekiti boy

Oba ghato kpere ise eee...

Furthermore, the Idia mask Binis take pride in is not from Benin. It dates back to the Nok culture. The Nok culture is not Benin but Nupe.
When Jacob Egarevba wrote in his book that the earliest Bini people came from Nupe, haters of truth felt they could do better with their version preferring to claim that they came from Egypt, citing phony similarities between the pharaoh and the Oba, the hairstyles etc, but unknown to them that our own civilization is much older than Egypt. People migrated from Nyuife to Sudan, Arabia and beyond.
Let me educate you guys, we don't carry the DNA of ancient Egyptians but ancient Egyptians and pharaohs carry our DNA-Scientific. The earlier you wake up from your Urokpota day dream of everybody coming from the better for you. Come up with facts and let's reason together. I can understand your worry of traditional colonization.

BornStunner1:



YOU YORUBAS HAVE NO DETAILED HISTORY HENCE YOUR DESIRE TO FAMILARIZE WITH THE GREAT EDO PPL .......... BUT WE REJECT YOU PPL...... REJECT!! GODFORBID!! TUFIA!!

Familiarize? Funny!
Respond to points like an intellectual even if you're not.
You're just posting anger instead of points. I have narrated Yoruba history from First Ife till date. You're yet to tell us Benin history, or is all about Ekalerdahan that was eaten by leopard in the bush?

BALLOSKI:
and they say this throne is not linked to the Yoruba.

No one is saying the throne isn't linked to Yoruba.. we are only saying Ekaladeran Izoduwa (Oduduwa) was a prince before he left for Ile Ife (Where the dull people believe he fell down from heaven). The Bini's sent for him when we had no ruler and he sent his son Oranmiyan.
Our point is your Oduduwa didn't fall from heaven (even Jesus Christ didn't fall from heaven).
Using common sense, the Yoruba's didn't conquer the Benin Kingdom and then impose a king on us, we requested for Oduduwa, we wouldn't do such if he had no relationship to the throne.
Like the Oba said, we can't force you guys to believe Oduduwa was from Benin.

They say Olokun is Bini. They call Ethiope river Olokun.
Yoruba language is so rich that it distinguishes between a river- ODO, lagoon-OSA, and ocean-OKUN.

nelronaldo:

No one is saying the throne isn't linked to Yoruba.. we are only saying Ekaladeran Izoduwa (Oduduwa) was a prince before he left for Ile Ife (Where the dull people believe he fell down from heaven). The Bini's sent for him when we had no ruler and he sent his son Oranmiyan.
Our point is your Oduduwa didn't fall from heaven (even Jesus Christ didn't fall from heaven).
Using common sense, the Yoruba's didn't conquer the Benin Kingdom and then impose a king on us, we requested for Oduduwa, we wouldn't do such if he had no relationship to the throne.
Like the Oba said, we can't force you guys to believe Oduduwa was from Benin.

I will repeat it again, your Ekalerdahan was probably eaten up by a leopard when he was wandering in the Bush. The story was fabricated to protect the identity of your king in order to give him historical legitimacy, so that he will not be seen as an Ife prince. That's all.
Its a shame that those who have the bragging right are not bragging, the Nupe people. Pls go and read about Ife before and during Oduduwa era

If someone wants to think their Oduduwa fell from Heaven and was found in the Jungle, then fine!
Oba Ewuare II is the 40th Oba and 72nd ruler (including the Ogiso dynasty) meaning we already had 32 rulers before Oranminya came to Benin.. So there is no way Binis are Yorubas.
I don't think anyone is arguing that the throne has a link with the Ooni's, so even if they are burying their head in Ife then it's no big deal because that's where their forefather established his kingdom but our point is Oduduwa was Bini who was banished. if you want to believe he came from the moon. then good for you

nelronaldo:

No one is saying the throne isn't linked to Yoruba.. we are only saying Ekaladeran Izoduwa (Oduduwa) was a prince before he left for Ile Ife (Where the dull people believe he fell down from heaven). The Bini's sent for him when we had no ruler and he sent his son Oranmiyan.
Our point is your Oduduwa didn't fall from heaven (even Jesus Christ didn't fall from heaven).
Using common sense, the Yoruba's didn't conquer the Benin Kingdom and then impose a king on us, we requested for Oduduwa, we wouldn't do such if he had no relationship to the throne.
Like the Oba said, we can't force you guys to believe Oduduwa was from Benin.

Do you know Oduduwa had cousins who migrated with him? They founded Borgu kingdom.
It was not by accident they gave Tinubu the tittle of Jagaban in that kingdom.
It was not by accident, during the war with the Fulani over Ilorin, the kingdom Yorubas turned to for help was Borgu and they indeed lost their kingdom trying to help Oyo empire.
At this point in history, who knew Benin kingdom? If Benin was strong enough and Oduduwa came from there, naturally help would have been sought from Benin.
Ironically, Benin gained prominence only after the collapse of Oyo empire when the center could no longer hold. Benin expansion was opportunistic, picking what Oyo empire left behind, down to Dahomey.

fatiaforreal:

I will repeat it again, your Ekalerdahan was probably eaten up by a leopard when he was wandering in the Bush. The story was fabricated to protect the identity of your king in order to give him historical legitimacy, so that he will not be seen as an Ife prince. That's all.
Its a shame that those who have the bragging right are not bragging, the Nupe people. Pls go and read about Ife before and during Oduduwa era

He was eaten up by a leopard, then when we needed a king, we would have gone back to the Nupe people and not a stranger in Ife. There was a link between Oduduwa and the Binis at that time, if Oduduwa wasn't the Bini prince then what did your history tell you he was to us? I have never read a story where Yorubas conquered Binis.

fatiaforreal:

I will repeat it again, your Ekalerdahan was probably eaten up by a leopard when he was wandering in the Bush. The story was fabricated to protect the identity of your king in order to give him historical legitimacy, so that he will not be seen as an Ife prince. That's all.
Its a shame that those who have the bragging right are not bragging, the Nupe people. Pls go and read about Ife before and during Oduduwa era

If you read the Bini history then you will know how everything started from the first Ogiso to the last and then from the first Oba to the current.. At least we didn't Fabricate stuffs like he fell from Heaven or was found in the Jungle. Maybe he was Adam, he found himself in the Jungle when God drove them out. I'm sure Eve died on their way an that's why he was found alone

BornStunner1:
FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS


( 1 ) . Their story of
kingship began with Edo
prince and the Benin
recorded History .
( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said,
little were know about
yoruba existence,
meaning they were not
part of Nigeria of today
boarder or were in small
settlement close to
dahomy. yoruba are half
muslims and those with
African traditions copied or got them from Benin
civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy
mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger
. Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31
December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop
in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local
Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was
Herbert Macaulay
( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process
highly politized to being traditional . A system they try
copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin
Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered
institutions in the world because of the way it has
sustained its awesome prestige with strict and
meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour ,
discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be
bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously .
Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty
and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make
sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not
and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-
indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender
to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial
origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle
for contracts .
( 4 ) . Most of today
yoruba religion are
Benin Origin , Olokun ,
Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) ,
oronmila, Esago
(shango ) , Ayelala etc .
Many Benin traditions
and spirituality are
stillfully documented by
yorubas in high places
as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian
mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with
African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to
Edoland . . . LIE ) .
Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major
participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because
the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too
valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of
war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo
religion and medicine has still been substantial upon
the people of the Americas .
According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely
accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship
originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) .
In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural
traditions that has made its mark in the New World is
Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship
originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent
at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time . Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the
Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into
Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton ,
before his moving westward with his followers to
establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) .
Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call
IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba
dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that
Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the
outlying Yoruba areas.

I pity you. You don't know your own history, but you are telling lies in form of history for others. Shame on you ooo. Your hate for the Yorubas cannot stop them.

nelronaldo:
If someone wants to think their Oduduwa fell from Heaven and was found in the Jungle, then fine!
Oba Ewuare II is the 40th Oba and 72nd ruler (including the Ogiso dynasty) meaning we already had 32 rulers before Oranminya came to Benin.. So there is no way Binis are Yorubas.
I don't think anyone is arguing that the throne has a link with the Ooni's, so even if they are burying their head in Ife then it's no big deal because that's where their forefather established his kingdom but our point is Oduduwa was Bini who was banished. if you want to believe he came from the moon. then good for you

Oduduwa is not Ekalerdahan and he didn't come from Benin. If he did, I'll gladly say it. Historical Oduduwa journeyed through Sudan, into Nupe, from where he went to Ife. If you ask me, its more like a military conquest because he had a large number of people with him. A version of Ijaw history confirms this, where Ujoh was one of those who teamed up with Oduduwa I Nupe to march on Ife. Sultan Mohammed of Sokoto Caliphate, who was the the person to write Yoruba history, in Arabic detailed the journey through Sudan, to his reign in Ife and the founding of Borgu kingdom.
Do you dispute the early Bini people of Ogiso era came from Nupeland?

nelronaldo:

If you read the Bini history then you will know how everything started from the first Ogiso to the last and then from the first Oba to the current.. At least we didn't Fabricate stuffs like he fell from Heaven or was found in the Jungle. Maybe he was Adam, he found himself in the Jungle when God drove them out. I'm sure Eve died on their way an that's why he was found alone

See, its the same story in different versions.
Pls, I'm begging you, tell me Bini history of ogiso era. I dare you. You can't without resort to mythology. If I'm lying do it , I give you ten minutes from now

nelronaldo:

He was eaten up by a leopard, then when we needed a king, we would have gone back to the Nupe people and not a stranger in Ife. There was a link between Oduduwa and the Binis at that time, if Oduduwa wasn't the Bini prince then what did your history tell you he was to us? I have never read a story where Yorubas conquered Binis.

We both have nothing to gain telling lies about our history other than false pride. I've read this history from Ijaw perspective, from Nupe historian who claimed he came from First period Ife in Nyuife or Nupe if you like. I've read the translated Sultan Mohamm's account, I've read the yoruba accounts- one is a mythological, climbing down from heaven, the other is historical, journey from Arabia. I've read Benin versions, Jacob Egarevba and Erediauwa's memoir. Have you attempted thinking outside the Benin box by reading others view even if you don't believe.
I tell you, I believe the ijaw version, Sultan Mohammed, and Jacob Egarevba's versions more than others.

There other writers from a completely different perspective, who disagree Oranmiyan was Oduduwa's son. They claim he was a great conqueror, who conquered all Oduduwa's kingdoms, including Ife and Benin and have have their points too. An intellectual must have a very broad mind on issues.

It's over ten minutes, I'm still waiting for Benin history of Ogiso era. I challenged my friend to dare writing on it.
I dare you Bini guys to write on Bini people of Ogiso period. Shebi Oduduwa climbed down with chain according to my people, let our people from Benin tell us about rulers from the sky of which The fantom Ekalerdahan was the last prince.
It's either you don't know it or you feel ashamed to write it

You see, when something is so good everybody wants to associate with it. Nobody wants to associate something that. Is not significant. Our Oba has said it, He cannot force anybody to believe anything, but he made it clear to the face of the Ooni, the Man you call Oduduwa was a banished prince from Benin called Ekhaladehran, an I am a direct descendant of that Prince. We in Benin know our history, we don't need anybody to tell us. I beat my chest to say that Oba Ewuare I was not even buried in Benin but in his maternal village in Egor LGA, just because previous kings of lagos were buried in Benin that did not mean Benin buried her kings in ife. Its just a wish, something you yorubas are trying to claim. You can't have it, not an inch, the Oba of Benin reigns supreme here. He did all traditional rites, He did not leave any single one. If you saw the crowd today, you will know that in Benin kings are not made, dy are Born. Old women, kids, everybody trooped to catch a glimpse of the king in his full regalia. Oba Nedo, Oba Ogidigan, Ewuare II, sin of Oba Erediauwa, Grandson of Oba Akezuwa II, great grandson of oba Eweka II.....40th king of the Oba dynasty and 72 king of the Ogiso Dynasty, different dynasty names, One royal blood line...Oba gha to kpere!!!

I have read both the Yoruba and Bini accounts. The Benin account makes more sense while the Yoruba account defies logic.

Ekaladeran Izoduwa being a Bini prince must have arrived Ile-Ife dressed in Bini Princely attire. The long journey made him tired and decided to sleep underneath some shade. He was found sleeping by primitive Ife hunters.

Benin being way more of an advanced society means these attires were viewed in primitive Ife as heavenly and divine.

The hunters thought this celestial looking being who spoke a foreign language dressed in shining gold and ivory must be a gift from heaven and dropped down to rule over them.

Boom! Izoduwa became King and his name mispronounced as Oduduwa.

The Binis lost their King and decided to trace his descendant. They arrived Ife but Izoduwa refused to leave as he was deemed a god-King by the Yorubas. Rather he sent his young son Oramiyan with the same bloodline who the Binis crowned King.

No one has ever fallen from heaven. I believe the Bini version because Benin has documented every detail of all their rulers till date while that of the Yoruba is not but based on folklore.

This is from a neutral party. I am not Bini or Yoruba.

Oba khato okpere Ise!