bibe:


It's a sad experience surely, but your argument (against the demolition) is rather emotional than logical/rational. Those structures are not meant to be there and wasn't planned for.

Yes it's been the norm now (makeshift shops) but that doesn't make it right. Infact it directly mirrors everything that is wrong with Nigeria, we've all abandoned the hard right decisions for the easy "normal" albeit irrational ones and it's been haunting us.

There comes a time when we have to take a step back and take the painful and hard but completely right logical decisions. It's for the best.

It is emotional yes but tell me what is more rational.
If only you have a deep understanding of our plight in the estate, then u'll understand. I'm sure you are being feed stories from the media.
Cancer and Headache, which will u treat first?
Our government end up leaving leprosy to treat ringworm! Demolition is not the solution at this moment.
Good things done at the wrong time = wrong

Most of the shops that were not reached yesterday by the demolition team and now just walls; roofing and doors and iron burglary have been removed in anticipation of demolition

God help us all

Giving a dog a bad name just to kill it.

In what way are the buildings illegal??

Are you saying that jakande estate is an illegal one?

lasgidy:
Jakande estate is long over due for face uplift. Since it was built by Baba Jakande, no government has taking improving the estate structures into consideration. Rather most government official in LSDPC are busy making money by allocating every available space to build to build on, thereby distorting the original plan and structure of the estate. I commend the courage of the minister on environment on this noble step.

However, I want her to go further by fixing all the port holes within the estate, putting street light and beautifying the entire estate. She will be remembered for that..that should be extended to all estate built buy Baba Jakande. I have a shope in the estate and it was affected, but happy over the development for sanity and security within the estate. The estate was gradually turning to drinking bar estate where prostitution is gradually become a norm. Hon Minister I comment your effort towards bringing the estate back to the original plan of residential estate and not a business estate as it were...There are speculation that the demolition will not continue....pleases don't stop until your objectives are achieved. Thank you for being a responsible focused commissioner. God will protect and guide you and family.

hello young man...a minister has nothing to do with lagos state own property...it is not minister on environment rather ministry of environment lagos state

passyhansome:
[size=18pt]Ambode is working, Eko oni baje, till you find out your father's house has been marked for demolition, then what will you say next ?[/size]

Hahaha, "eko ti baje niyen o"

This is wickedness. The government is so insensitive. There is no light, no roads , no water, no street lights, no shopping complex, as in, no sort of social amenities. But all of a sudden, they are knocking down shops and houses, rendering families homeless and adding more hunger to the hungry . I PRAY THIS WICKEDNESS MAKES THAT PLACE A PARADISE

mikool007:
in which way wer dey illegal

Ask Google

Scatterscatter:
What happened yesterday was the height of wickedness and government's insensitivity to the plight of the masses. For everyone that cares to know the truth, the demolition had noting to do with Givin the estate an uplift. I live in the estate and I can categorically tell u that we've had the worst power supply in our axis frm January till now, the estate has terrible motorable roads, the govt has stopped financing the operation of the central sewage flushing; individuals in my zone contributed to get the sewage to work when the entire zone became an eye sore due to sewage spillage.
Back to the demolition, the govt called the structures illegal but ask them if LBIC AND EJIGBO LCDA don't collect money from the shop owners or if LASSRA don't collect money for shop name advert. Listen everyone, those structures are shops that are mostly owned by pensioners/retirees and it is the only source of livelihood for most people at a period when rice= 23k, fuel=145, dollar=475>, December is around the corner and all the govt can think of is to stop the only means of survival of poor masses without providing any alternative. To give the estate an uplift, start by improving the power condition, fix the roads, get the sewage to work andprovide affordable shop alternatives before thinking of demolition. Only God will judge all those behind this wicked and satanic act.

Yes, the sewage had been abandoned. The estate had been abandoned. All the zones had altered the original plans.

But I analyzed the situation some years back and I told myself "how can government turn a blind eye to this.
The question is, are those shops truly illegal?

To me the structure were illegal and it is good to remove them.

It is just sad, it is now increasingly difficult to quickly dash out from your house and buy needed items without having to go all the way to Oja.
Although the demolition is a good one as most people have abused the shop building (a good example is one educated illiterate that owns a school around), I feel a mini complex should have been built in each zones or improve the status of the current main market before kick starting the demolition.

I'm still expecting the demolition of those houses built around that sewage area

olaolaking:

Ask Google

i was actually asking reasonable people

mikool007:
i was actually asking reasonable people

I think I need to apologize to you for that my reply. Sorry . I stayed in that estate in the past and presently have a family house there.

I know we will get there one day. 6 years ago, I condemned the act of building houses under powerlines. But today government is taking action. 6 years ago, I was disturbed about the illegal structures springing out everywhere within the estate. Today, I am justified.

bibe:

It's a sad experience surely, but your argument (against the demolition) is rather emotional than logical/rational. Those structures are not meant to be there and wasn't planned for.
Yes it's been the norm now (makeshift shops) but that doesn't make it right. Infact it directly mirrors everything that is wrong with Nigeria, we've all abandoned the hard right decisions for the easy "normal" albeit irrational ones and it's been haunting us.
There comes a time when we have to take a step back and take the painful and hard but completely right logical decisions. It's for the best.

I think we should be objective in our thinking. If the Government knew the structures were illegal why were they collecting IGR from these retirerees in the first place. LBIC, LASSRA and Ejigbo LG, etc. With all the IGR collected, there has been no improvement of any kind in that area for years just like someone earlier pointed out.

Even if the structures were illegal. Government should have provided alternatives before demolition rather a wicked act is carried out, peaople that have a subtle form of livelyhood are rendered jobless. This attitude is anti-civil and our government should desist from it.

[img]What happened yesterday was the height of wickedness and government's insensitivity to the plight of the masses. For everyone that cares to know the truth, the demolition had noting to do with Givin the estate an uplift. I live in the estate and I can categorically tell u that we've had the worst power supply in our axis frm January till now, the estate has terrible motorable roads, the govt has stopped financing the operation of the central sewage flushing; individuals in my zone contributed to get the sewage to work when the entire zone became an eye sore due to sewage spillage.
Back to the demolition, the govt called the structures illegal but ask them if LBIC AND EJIGBO LCDA don't collect money from the shop owners or if LASSRA don't collect money for shop name advert. Listen everyone, those structures are shops that are mostly owned by pensioners/retirees and it is the only source of livelihood for most people at a period when rice= 23k, fuel=145, dollar=475>, December is around the corner and all the govt can think of is to stop the only means of survival of poor masses without providing any alternative. To give the estate an uplift, start by improving the power condition, fix the roads, get the sewage to work andprovide affordable shop alternatives before thinking of demolition. Only God will judge all those behind this wicked and satanic act. [hr

i cant understand your assertion but what i can understand is that you were on ground when the demolition was happening, then you must also be aware of the atrocity of the cult boys who became omo onile all a sudden and allocating several pedestrian way to bear palours and joints years back expecially space behind the low cost pry. school, you must also be aware of ex-estate executives that sold government land (ringroad), instead of being emotionally disposed to the issue why not check the atrocities committed. you also said the shops were owned by pensioners/retirees but the pensioners/retirees can let out a shop for as much 10k-15k monthly hence making serious money, so making money from illegal act is not condemnable or being pensioners/retirees makes an illegal act legal?. some people are very funny to an extend that they build 2/3 bedroom annexing to their flat and letting out for as much 250k par year. so tell me what is the fault of government correcting abnormality.

Scatterscatter:


It is emotional yes but tell me what is more rational.
If only you have a deep understanding of our plight in the estate, then u'll understand. I'm sure you are being feed stories from the media.
Cancer and Headache, which will u treat first?
Our government end up leaving leprosy to treat ringworm! Demolition is not the solution at this moment.
Good things done at the wrong time = wrong

Do you not understand? The cancer, headache wouldn't be there in the first place if people adhered to/obeyed the original plan/design.

I don't even know where to start nor where to end in trying to elaborate on the problems associated with the deviation from initial plan, design and purpose of the estate with the ere.ction of these "illegal structures". There's insecurity, pollution, environmental degradation to mention but a few.

Imagine buying yourself a nice piece of land in a quiet area mapped for residence and erecting a cosy house only for the area to be turned into a faux market place in a few years time, how would you feel? I'm sure lots of the original occupants and potentially interested citizens would've been forced to vacate/abandon their plans to reside there due to these "illegal structures" and the "headache+cancer" associated with them.

There's never a wrong time to do the right thing.
The problem with lots of us Nigerians is that we actually do not understand the importance of urban planning and why areas are mapped out for residence, trade and what not. I think government needs to start sensitising people on these things.

Delebayo:


I think we should be objective in our thinking. If the Government knew the structures were illegal why were they collecting IGR from these retirerees in the first place. LBIC, LASSRA and Ejigbo LG, etc. With all the IGR collected, there has been no improvement of any kind in that area for years just like someone earlier pointed out.

Even if the structures were illegal. Government should have provided alternatives before demolition rather a wicked act is carried out, peaople that have a subtle form of livelyhood are rendered jobless. This attitude is anti-civil and our government should desist from it.

I'm not here to debate the issue of IGR, but the justification of the demolition exercise. Like I said, it's painful and I can't even begin to imagine what the affected persons are going through but, they shouldn't be there in the first place for an infinite number of reasons.

Government has already provided multiple alternatives in markets and private individuals in malls and mini marts.

We either clean up the system and move forward or keep with the "norm" and continue degenerating.

bibe:


I'm not here to debate the issue of IGR, but the justification of the demolition exercise. Like I said, it's painful and I can't even begin to imagine what the affected persons are going through but, they shouldn't be there in the first place for an infinite number of reasons.

Government has already provided multiple alternatives in markets and private individuals in malls and mini marts.

We either clean up the system and move forward or keep with the "norm" and continue degenerating.

Thank you, people always support illegality. This happens every time in our country. In the first instance do government even approve those structures? I believe most will agree the answer is no. Most of us have being to many cities around the world. Do most of places looks like ours. We most start doing things right to move this country forward.

olaolaking:

Yes, the sewage had been abandoned. The estate had been abandoned. All the zones had altered the original plans.

But I analyzed the situation some years back and I told myself "how can government turn a blind eye to this.
The question is, are those shops truly illegal?

To me the structure were illegal and it is good to remove them.

Do you realise there are other illegal structures asides the shops? Do you know Tree of Righteousness is also illegal?

bibe:


I'm not here to debate the issue of IGR, but the justification of the demolition exercise. Like I said, it's painful and I can't even begin to imagine what the affected persons are going through but, they shouldn't be there in the first place for an infinite number of reasons.

Government has already provided multiple alternatives in markets and private individuals in malls and mini marts.

We either clean up the system and move forward or keep with the "norm" and continue degenerating.

Pls which malls and market are you referring to? I'm sure you don't have a clue of the place in question. The only market is the one built in the 80's to cater for less than 1000 occupants in the estate then. Now the population is above 10,000 and no extra market or mall has been built. Only say what you know, don't mislead the general public

bibe:


Do you not understand? The cancer, headache wouldn't be there in the first place if people adhered to/obeyed the original plan/design.

I don't even know where to start nor where to end in trying to elaborate on the problems associated with the deviation from initial plan, design and purpose of the estate with the ere.ction of these "illegal structures". There's insecurity, pollution, environmental degradation to mention but a few.

Imagine buying yourself a nice piece of land in a quiet area mapped for residence and erecting a cosy house only for the area to be turned into a faux market place in a few years time, how would you feel? I'm sure lots of the original occupants and potentially interested citizens would've been forced to vacate/abandon their plans to reside there due to these "illegal structures" and the "headache+cancer" associated with them.

There's never a wrong time to do the right thing.
The problem with lots of us Nigerians is that we actually do not understand the importance of urban planning and why areas are mapped out for residence, trade and what not. I think government needs to start sensitising people on these things.

You've gotten it all wrong.
These so called structures helped curb insecurity and environmental degradation as the shop owners take care of their environment. I've been in the estate for the past 26 years and I can tell you categorically that this exercise will lead to serious insecurity as guys of the underworld now have a free atmosphere to perpetrate their acts.
No responsible government takes away people's source of livelihood in the name of urbanization without providing any alternative. AMBODE got this wrong!!!

[quote author=Scatterscatter post=50719722]

You've gotten it all wrong.
These so called structures helped curb insecurity and environmental degradation as the shop owners take care of their environment. I've been in the estate for the past 26 years and I can tell you categorically that this exercise will lead to serious insecurity as guys of the underworld now have a free atmosphere to perpetrate their acts.
No responsible government takes away people's source of livelihood in the name of urbanization without providing any alternative. AMBODE got this wrong!!! [/quote
It is a shame that you said that government takes away people's source of livelihood,were those shop approved by the government,are they allowed to build an structure in government land,even if they have bought the flat they have no right to build anything there,for building water tank beside your flat is illegal not to talk of converting a room to a shop.please kindly go through the agreement that they signed before moving into the flat.
I have a friend that has been living in Oja bus stop in that estate for over 27years, l was there about five years ago and l saw the conditions of that environment l was shocked with people building illegal structures around the building.
Most Nigerians are Lawness people you can never alternate ANY THING If you buy a government flat in UK not to talk of building a shop.

[quote author=Scatterscatter post=50719722]

You've gotten it all wrong.
These so called structures helped curb insecurity and environmental degradation as the shop owners take care of their environment. I've been in the estate for the past 26 years and I can tell you categorically that this exercise will lead to serious insecurity as guys of the underworld now have a free atmosphere to perpetrate their acts.
No responsible government takes away people's source of livelihood in the name of urbanization without providing any alternative. AMBODE got this wrong!!! [/quote ]

It is a shame that you said that government takes away people's source of livelihood,were those shop approved by the government,are they allowed to build an structure in government land,even if they have bought the flat they have no right to build anything there,for building water tank beside your flat is illegal not to talk of converting a room to a shop.please kindly go through the agreement that they signed before moving into the flat.
I have a friend that has been living in Oja bus stop in that estate for over 27years, l was there about five years ago and l saw the conditions of that environment l was shocked with people building illegal structures around the building.
Most Nigerians are Lawness people you can never alternate ANY THING If you buy a government flat in UK not to talk of building a shop.

Scatterscatter:


You've gotten it all wrong.
These so called structures helped curb insecurity and environmental degradation as the shop owners take care of their environment. I've been in the estate for the past 26 years and I can tell you categorically that this exercise will lead to serious insecurity as guys of the underworld now have a free atmosphere to perpetrate their acts.
No responsible government takes away people's source of livelihood in the name of urbanization without providing any alternative. AMBODE got this wrong!!!

Permit me to ask you some questions to jolt your thinking...

- when a customer comes to buy sachet water and other items usually wrapped in polyethylene, can those shop owners claim to ensure that they were properly disposed? #pollution

- being that the estate is a residential area, it's safe to assume that all occupants are documented, is it safe to assume that the multitude of "strangers" drawn to the vicinity by the presence of these illegal structures/shops are documented?
#insecurity #guysofunderworld

This means that the absence of these illegal structures/shops will help improve security for the residents and the area in general as well as the aesthetics.

Again your argument for "source of livelihood" is emotional at best and continued emergence of "shanties" have to be addressed as it is becoming something of an epidermic countrywide.

@babs612000

This life is very funny. That same Jakande Estate I was born and bred my brother.

Good to see you have been there a few times.

Let me add my few cents to the on going demolitions. You see my brother we Nigerians have a mentality of erecting anything in a residential estate is just okay. You see here in the west we might call them oyinbo people whatever. But at least they live like civil people. I have shops that were demolished too. But the whole make shift shop was just becoming an eyesore. In as much as 9ja is in a recession. It's at leaSt one credible thing that have done right. Having said that. The government should endeavour to help better the estate by building commercial market place where people can sell their goods and services to the general estate populace. Just my one cent my brother.

Scatterscatter:


You've gotten it all wrong.
These so called structures helped curb insecurity and environmental degradation as the shop owners take care of their environment. I've been in the estate for the past 26 years and I can tell you categorically that this exercise will lead to serious insecurity as guys of the underworld now have a free atmosphere to perpetrate their acts.
No responsible government takes away people's source of livelihood in the name of urbanization without providing any alternative. AMBODE got this wrong!!!

Sorry to say, people like you do not think beyond your local environment. You need better living condition beyond what was there now. Its never to late to do things right to improve living condition of our people. do you knew what festac town looks like in the 80s? Pls go and find out

bibe:


Permit me to ask you some questions to jolt your thinking...

- when a customer comes to buy sachet water and other items usually wrapped in polyethylene, can those shop owners claim to ensure that they were properly disposed? #pollution

- being that the estate is a residential area, it's safe to assume that all occupants are documented, is it safe to assume that the multitude of "strangers" drawn to the vicinity by the presence of these illegal structures/shops are documented?
#insecurity #guysofunderworld

This means that the absence of these illegal structures/shops will help improve security for the residents and the area in general as well as the aesthetics.

Again your argument for "source of livelihood" is emotional at best and continued emergence of "shanties" have to be addressed as it is becoming something of an epidermic countrywide.

I am a realist and I don't believe in making people suffer if it can be avoided. FOI, one thing most occupants love about the area is that u can get almost anything you want without leaving the estate {comfort}
The shops emerged early 2000 to address issues of insecurity and environmental pollution and all the shops are being owned by landlords in the estate not by any Tom, dick nd Harry.
I don't know what part of the world you are speaking from but I can tell u categorically that the so called developed countries fixed their economy and provided food for the people before considering ascetics or any useless beautification.

Now answer this question, what do you expect an able bodied man with criminal tendencies being contained due to the Lil business that he is managing to do when the government forcefully takes it from him without providing any alternative?

Listen, before you say anything or take any action, try to have a deep understanding of the whole issue and weigh the good nd bad sides.

Polices should be made to improve the standard of living but I maintain my ground that this particular one is a capital NO! NO!

The shops are illegal and should go, but not at this time cos we have more pressing needs that needs to be addressed. Also FOI, we have agberos at the estate gate collecting money from commercial drivers thereby causing serious menace, increased tfare which the estate occupants suffer nd insecurity . The govt didn't see this all cos the money gets to them at the end of the day.
FACE THE FACT AND STOP TRYING TO MAKE NIGERIA, AMERICA OVER NIGHT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE POOR MASSES.

kopell:
Sorry to say, people like you do not think beyond your local environment. You need better living condition beyond what was there now. Its never to late to do things right to improve living condition of our people. do you knew what festac town looks like in the 80s? Pls go and find out

Can you compare the economic situation of the country in the 80's to what we have now?
Did the restructuring happen overnight as against wat is happening now?

Listen, I'm very sure you don't know jack about good living condition!
Do you improve living condition by collapsing the economy?
Do you improve living condition by rendering ppl jobless?
Do you improve living condition by ignoring the bad roads?
Do you improve living condition without good power supply?

Answer these questions before saying any other thing!!!

bplenty:
@babs612000

This life is very funny. That same Jakande Estate I was born and bred my brother.

Good to see you have been there a few times.

Let me add my few cents to the on going demolitions. You see my brother we Nigerians have a mentality of erecting anything in a residential estate is just okay. You see here in the west we might call them oyinbo people whatever. But at least they live like civil people. I have shops that were demolished too. But the whole make shift shop was just becoming an eyesore. In as much as 9ja is in a recession. It's at leaSt one credible thing that have done right. Having said that. The government should endeavour to help better the estate by building commercial market place where people can sell their goods and services to the general estate populace. Just my one cent my brother.

I agree with you wholeheartedly and I'm not in support of the shops, I'm only being realistic here.
Alternatives were supposed to be put in place before demolition but in this case, non was provided.

Stop trying to compare us with the West. America is over 250 years old and we haven't being thru 1/3 of what they've passed thru.

Provide the basic amenities and tell me if Nigerians won't be civil.
Listen, AN HUNGRY AND OPPRESSED MAN CAN NEVER BE CIVIL!!!

Scatterscatter:

Can you compare the economic situation of the country in the 80's to what we have now?
Did the restructuring happen overnight as against wat is happening now?

Listen, I'm very sure you don't know jack about good living condition!
Do you improve living condition by collapsing the economy?
Do you improve living condition by rendering ppl jobless?
Do you improve living condition by ignoring the bad roads?
Do you improve living condition without good power supply?

Answer these questions before saying any other thing!!!

Driving now will get back to you

Scatterscatter:
What happened yesterday was the height of wickedness and government's insensitivity to the plight of the masses. For everyone that cares to know the truth, the demolition had noting to do with Givin the estate an uplift. I live in the estate and I can categorically tell u that we've had the worst power supply in our axis frm January till now, the estate has terrible motorable roads, the govt has stopped financing the operation of the central sewage flushing; individuals in my zone contributed to get the sewage to work when the entire zone became an eye sore due to sewage spillage.
Back to the demolition, the govt called the structures illegal but ask them if LBIC AND EJIGBO LCDA don't collect money from the shop owners or if LASSRA don't collect money for shop name advert. Listen everyone, those structures are shops that are mostly owned by pensioners/retirees and it is the only source of livelihood for most people at a period when rice= 23k, fuel=145, dollar=475>, December is around the corner and all the govt can think of is to stop the only means of survival of poor masses without providing any alternative. To give the estate an uplift, start by improving the power condition, fix the roads, get the sewage to work andprovide affordable shop alternatives before thinking of demolition. Only God will judge all those behind this wicked and satanic act.

ambode did the right thing at the wrong time considering the economic woes. Like what you said, if it has become so imperative for government to demolish, they should provided alternative for the affected... I love your points so far

when are they coming to iba estate