One of the most debated topics in Christendom is the identity of the GOD of the Old Testament. This is understandably so because many doctrines are built on one perception of His identity, while others are built on another. Indeed, it can be said that the issue of the identity of the GOD of the Old Testament is a major bone of contention among the many denominations in Christendom.

Some say that the GOD of the OT is GOD the Father, while others say He is Jesus Christ. Which one is correct? We turn to the Bible to tell us. Indeed, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim. 3:16

A proper and correct understanding of the identity of the GOD of the OT will revolutionize the way many Christians view and understand the teachings of the Bible. It would also serve to clear up some of the perceived controversial issues in the Bible.

The Bible should be the only creed of the Christian. And as such, in matters concerning doctrine, the Christian knows that there are only two sides: the wrong teaching and the biblical teaching.

Another important fact is the harmony of the entire books of the Bible. We know that no part of the Bible contradicts another, "for GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace..." 1 Cor. 14:33. Therefore, a Christian understands that:

1. The Bible is totally in harmony, and is devoid of any form of contradiction.

2. Perceived contradictions in the Bible will be cleared up if the Bible is diligently studied with the help of the Holy Spirit.

3. It is grossly wrong to base a doctrine on just a verse of the Bible, and that the entire books of the Bible must be consulted to find out their harmonious opinion on a matter, before conclusion can be drawn.

4. If a verse of the Bible appears to contradict a host of other which are in harmony on an issue, a better understanding of that verse must be sought.

1. The Bible is totally in harmony, and is devoid of any form of contradiction.

2. Perceived contradictions in the Bible will be cleared up if the Bible is diligently studied with the help of the Holy Spirit.

3. It is grossly wrong to base a doctrine on just a verse of the Bible, and that the entire books of the Bible must be consulted to find out their harmonious opinion on a matter, before conclusion can be drawn.

4. If a verse of the Bible appears to contradict a host of other which are in harmony on an issue, a better understanding of that verse must be sought.

same old

same old delusion

A Jewish tribal deity,

Having understood the above, we may now look into the Bible to see what it has to say on the identity of the GOD of the OT: whether He is GOD the Father or Jesus Christ(GOD the Son).

We know that it was this GOD who spoke to Abraham and Moses, who descended on Sinai and spoke the 10 Commandments.

"No one has seen GOD at any time." Jn. 1:18 This statement appears contradictory, right? Well, Jesus agrees: "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form" Jn. 5:37

These two verses teach us an important truth: The Father has not directly spoken to or been seen by any human being at anytime. However, GOD worked directly with human beings in the OT.(See Gen. 2:16-17; 6:13-14; 12:1; 17:1; Exod. 3:4-6; 33:11; 22-23; Numb. 12:6-8; Deut. 4:33; Jer. 1:4-10.)

We see that a divine Being dealt directly with people, but according to Jesus, this divine Being could not have been the Father.

DoctorAlien:
One of the most debated topics in Christendom is the identity of the GOD of the Old Testament. This is understandably so because many doctrines are built on one perception of His identity, while others are built on another. Indeed, it can be said that the issue of the identity of the GOD of the Old Testament is a major bone of contention among the many denominations in Christendom.
Some say that the GOD of the OT is GOD the Father, while others say He is Jesus Christ. Which one is correct? We turn to the Bible to tell us.

Indeed, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim. 3:16

A proper and correct understanding of the identity of the GOD of the OT will revolutionize the way many Christians view and understand the teachings of the Bible. It would also serve to clear up some of the perceived controversial issues in the Bible.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


3) Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Source: http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

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[size=14]Jesus Christ's Preexistence[/size]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:1–3).

The Word was essentially the Being who served as the Spokesman in the GOD Family. He has always been responsible for communicating the will of the Father to human beings during the OT and the NT. The Father has never directly spoken with any human being.

Jesus Christ made His identity very clear —sometimes even to His physical detriment! In John 8 Jesus said He knew Abraham (verse 56). Since Abraham had lived and died nearly 2,000 years before, this statement offended the Jews Jesus was talking to. They considered it blasphemy that a mere man (as they viewed Him) “not yet fifty years old” had the audacity to claim He had known their patriarch Abraham (verse 57). But Jesus’ response was even more shocking to them: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (verse 58).

Yes, Jesus Christ claimed that He predated Abraham. But, in saying this, Jesus also gave a not-so-subtle clue about His identity that wasn’t lost on the angry Jews who surrounded Him. He referred to Himself as “I AM.” This was actually a divine title of God! When God had appeared to Moses from the burning bush, God had identified Himself as “I AM WHO I AM” and “I AM” (Exodus 3:14).

The God of the Old Testament is Imaginary!

In several scriptures the inspired Apostle Paul makes the same point. In Colossians 1:15–16, Paul speaks of Jesus Christ: "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him." And the book of Hebrews tells us that God, "has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds" (Hebrews 1:2). And again, "But to the Son He says: 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom'" (v. 8 ). And finally, "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands" (v. 10).

Idiots are trolling threads again seeking attention.

Note that in verse 8 above, Christ is addressed, "O God." He is described as the One who "made the worlds" (v. 2) and who "laid the foundation of the earth" (v. 10). There is absolutely no indication that any of these verses written by Paul or by John were "poetic" or metaphorical! They simply state the fact that the Personality who became Jesus Christ was "in the beginning" with the Father, that He was the "Word" or Spokesman for the Father and that all things were directly created through Him, Jesus Christ!

How did all this come about?

Turning to Genesis 1:1, we read, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." All scholars know that the Hebrew word here translated God is "Elohim," a plural noun— like church or family—as would signify one family with several members.

And now notice Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'"

Note that God said, "LetUs make man in Our image." So the Father and the Logos or "Word"— who later was born as Jesus of Nazareth—were both included here. Acting for the One we call God the "Father," the One who became Jesus Christ was used by the Father from the beginning in dealing with mankind.

We see this also in Genesis 18. Here the Logos appeared to Abraham. He did not appear in His full glory in dealing with Abraham, Moses and others, but more in human form—yet apparently with a "difference" so that Abraham recognized that he was dealing with the "Lord" (vv. 3, 27).

After the Eternal had explained to Abraham His intent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of their perverted sins, Abraham asked, "Shall not theJudge of all the earth do right?" (v. 25). Here Abraham was certainly dealing with the One who became Jesus Christ! For Christ Himself revealed later, "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son" (John 5:22). Abraham was certainly not dealing with God the Father. For the inspired Word also tells us, "No one has seen God at any time" (John 1:18).

We have seen, Jesus said that "no one" had ever seen "God"— obviously meaning the One we call the Father. Yet right after giving the Ten Commandments and some of the statutes to ancient Israel, we find that the "God of Israel" did indeed appear to some of Israel's leaders! "Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel. And there was under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it was like the very heavens in its clarity. But on the nobles of the children of Israel He did not lay His hand. So they saw God, and they ate and drank" (Exodus 24:9–11). So more than 70 of the leaders of Israel "saw the God of Israel."

Yet GOD is described as invisible in verses like 1 Tim. 1:17 and Col. 1:15.

DoctorAlien, you're on point. Your presentations so far are scriptural truths.
Please continue.

Could anything be more clear? It was the One who became Jesus Christ who literally walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He was the One who dealt directly with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the One who spoke "face to face" with Moses (Numbers 12:8 ). He was the One who spoke the Ten Commandments from the top of Mount Sinai!

Splinz:
DoctorAlien, you're on point. Your presentations so far are scriptural truths.

Please continue.

Oh thank you brother. I'm so encouraged by your words.

DoctorAlien:
Could anything be more clear? It was the One who became Jesus Christ who literally walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He was the One who dealt directly with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the One who spoke "face to face" with Moses (Numbers 12:8 ). He was the One who spoke the Ten Commandments from the top of Mount Sinai!

Jesus is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?

I'll end by saying that no one has seen the Father at any time, nor heard His voice. That glorious experience of seeing the Father face to face is left for those who are pure in heart.(Matt. 5:8 ) Setting the eyes upon the eternal Father, the One whose Glory is indescribable, whose majesty and splendour we cannot even begin to imagine, is the prize of those who have kept themselves holy.(Heb. 12:14).

I'll stop here to entertain your mature, reasonable, and peaceful questions.

CANTICLES:



Jesus is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?

Yes.

DoctorAlien:


Yes.

Guyz, I can't laugh ... Jesus glorified his servant Jesus ?



" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus,
whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him."
ESV Act 3:13


now let's substitute your submission and see how that scripture looks like


(The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers) ^JESUS , glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

you mean it ? how many Jesus ?

CANTICLES:


Guyz, I can't laugh ... Jesus glorified his servant Jesus ?



" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus,
whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him."
ESV Act 3:13


now let's substitute your submission and see how that scripture looks like


(The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers) ^JESUS , glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

you mean it ? how many Jesus ?

Can you point out any place where I explicitly said that GOD the Father is not the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

GOD the Father is the GOD of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Therefore, GOD the Father is the GOD of those three.

DoctorAlien:


Can you point out any place where I explicitly said that GOD the Father is not the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

GOD the Father is the GOD of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Therefore, GOD the Father is the GOD of those three.

lol, I asked you If Jesus is God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and you replied " YES" only for you to claim the Father is also the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob.

then how many God did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have ? TWO? did Abraham , Isaac and Jacob even know Jesus ? .

Show me where Jesus is called God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?


to whom does that title belong ? if you can answer this , you can conveniently identify the God of the Jews , "the God of our fathers" Act 3:13

CANTICLES:


lol, I asked you If Jesus is God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and you replied " YES" only for you to claim the Father is also the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob.

then how many God did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have ? TWO? did Abraham , Isaac and Jacob even know Jesus ? .

Show me where Jesus is called God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?


to whom does that title belong ? if you can answer this , you can conveniently identify the God of the Jews , "the God of our fathers" Act 3:13

This is simple logic: A is a Father to B, and B is a Father to C. Therefore A is a Father to C.

Take time and study all my posts on this thread before you ask your next question, because I'm very sure you didn't read my posts.

DoctorAlien:


This is simple logic: A is a Father to B, and B is a Father to C. Therefore A is a Father to C.

Take time and study all my posts on this thread before you ask your next question, because I'm very sure you didn't read my posts.

See analogy just to evade point , A is a grand Father to C logically. think right

if C was asked , who is your Father ? who would it will be , is it B not A ?

C doesnt have Two Fathers, C has a Father and one Grandfather


are you saying The Father is the GOd Of the God of Abraham ? or what ?

CANTICLES:


See analogy just to evade point , A is a grand Father to C logically. think right

if C was asked , who is your Father ? who would it will be , is it B not A ?

C doesnt have Two Fathers, C has a Father and one Grandfather


are you saying The Father is the GOd Of the God of Abraham ? or what ?

A is still a father to C, okay? It doesn't matter whether it is grand or great grand. Those are just adjectives. He is still a father to C!

Edited: We normally use the word "fathers" to mean our ancestors. It simply means they were all fathers to us: whether grand or great grand.

Do you have any more reasonable questions?

DoctorAlien:


A is still a father to C, okay? It doesn't matter whether it is grand or great grand. Those are just adjectives. He is still a father to C!

Edited: We normally use the word "fathers" to mean our ancestors. It simply means they were all fathers to us: whether grand or great grand.

Do you have any more reasonable questions?

again , by saying he is still a father . you are using emotion . logically, B is THE Father of C .




now , who is THE God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob according to the scripture ?

Jesus is his servant, Yes or No ?

CANTICLES:


lol, I asked you If Jesus is God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and you replied " YES" only for you to claim the Father is also the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob.

then how many God did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have ? TWO? did Abraham , Isaac and Jacob even know Jesus ? .

Show me where Jesus is called God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?


to whom does that title belong ? if you can answer this , you can conveniently identify the God of the Jews , "the God of our fathers" Act 3:13

Hello Canticles, you're more of a scoffer—ignorant fellow than a teacher. If you're disagreeing with the op's position and wish to enlighten him, there're standards that befits and suits a teacher, which the apostle Paul communicated to Timothy. Here, "And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to everyone, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness..." (2 Timothy 24-25). But regrettably, you're running foul of these instructions by trying to ridicule him, and worse still, also ignorantly & confidently making assertions without understanding either what you're saying or the things about which you assert (1 Timothy 1:6-7).

Now, the crux of the matter. The op has conveniently established that Jesus is the same as God of the old testament, and I absolutely agrees with him because it is simply the truth!

did Abraham , Isaac and Jacob even know Jesus ?

Absolutely yes! Here's the proof: “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they [ancient Israel] drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (I Cor. 10:4). Again, this is one unmistakably proof among many others, that the God the patriarchs served and worshiped was Jesus Christ! What can be plainer than this, or do you still need more proofs?

You can't cheery-pick scriptural verses that seems to suit your belly in this matter, and bluntly ignored the many other verses that runs contrary, examples are (John 1:1-3, 14, Hebrews 1:8-10, 7:3, etc). Ignoring these truths and focusing only on Jesus earthly life breeds contradictions (where there's none), confusion, denial and hypocrisy. Understand that God is not the author of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Now, if you're lacking knowledge of why Jesus needed another God while He was on earth, even though He was God, then humbly ask for it and the answer will be provided. Bye now.

wow... I'm learning a lot

DoctorAlien: Another important fact is the harmony of the entire books of the Bible. We know that no part of the Bible contradicts another, "for GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace..." 1 Cor. 14:33.
Achorladey: My own question is, why is it difficult to acknowledge that, if Jesus was indeed (God of old testament) and Jesus(God of new testament) has a head as well? Why? Afterall apostle Paul wrote both 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 1 Corinthians 14 :33. Can he(Paul) be confused as well? Please mind the word ''if''.

the old testament has got nothing to do with the new testament....they are basically 2 different religions. and ideologies..it is explicitly stated in the old testament time and time again..''God is not a man''...and had no intention of making a woman pregnant to bear a son or child. the first commandment specifically warned them not to serve any other God beside this particular God that choose the Jews ( Deuteronomy 32:7)..he choose them, they where his people and he was their God..they Jews knew they were other Gods but only worship this particular God. to worship another was punishable by death and to worship a man was a big idolatry to the Jews, this particular God warned them not to make any idol of him.the Romans where surprised that when they got to the temple in Jerusalem, they did not find any..they only stole their writ tings( law and prophets)

Christianity on the other hand is the cult of Inana and her beloved Dimuzi or Tammuz, which originated from Babylon, they stole the Jewish writings and super glued their '' Confra'' manual to the Tanaka...to discourage the Jews from waiting for the messiah..