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Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by antispexish(m): 9:56am On Nov 21, 2016
Indians Rush Frantically to Launder Their ‘Black Money’


MUMBAI, India — Indians’ ingenuity is being mightily tested as they rush to save their “black money,” stashes of hundreds of thousands, even millions, of rupees they have accumulated without paying taxes.

For decades, Indians have stuffed their mattresses with 500- and 1,000-rupee notes, the most widely circulated bills, worth the equivalent of a few dollars.

But Prime Minister Narendra Modi wanted to tax that money. His strategy was to force Indians to reveal what they had been hoarding. How? He banned the bills and told people that they had to exchange them for new ones.

The ban, which was announced on Nov. 8, has thrown the economy into chaos and sent Indians on a desperate search for some way, any way, to launder their accumulated money and avoid a financially disastrous loss.

People can exchange the banned notes through the end of the year for smaller denominations or new bills that are being created. Because more affluent Indians are allowed to exchange only 250,000 rupees, or about $3,700, without proof that they paid taxes, some are handing wads of cash to poor people, paying them a fee to hold the money in their accounts and return it later. Others are thronging jewelry stores and designer boutiques, carrying suitcases of banned currency notes, begging to buy something with backdated receipts.

“People felt, rather than turn my money into toilet paper, let me have a beautiful outfit,” Tina Tahiliani Parikh, the executive director of the Ensemble group of high-end Indian fashion stores, said in an interview.

Some have thrown in the towel, rather than risking an investigation into their taxes, filling pillowcases and paper bags with the old currency and dumping them in the trash. Notes of 1,000 rupees, the equivalent of about $15, have been spotted floating down the Ganges River.

About a third of all business in India is carried out using black money. Whole industries, like real estate, trading, luxury retailing and wedding services, have been fueled by black money for decades. They have slumped.

Indians line up for hours in a quest for the 2,000-rupee notes that they are allowed to receive in exchange at banks and the 2,500-rupee notes that they can withdraw from A.T.M.s each day to pay for necessities. They often wait hours only to find that the bank or A.T.M. has run out of notes, which are scarce because the new ones are still being printed.

The Supreme Court of India on Friday refused to block cases being brought in lower courts challenging Mr. Modi’s currency ban. The court said that people were frantic , and that the cases were a sign of a serious problem.

The chairman of the Indian Banks’ Association said on Friday that all of the nation’s banks would limit the exchange of banned notes to older citizens and their own customers on Saturday so the staff could focus on normal banking.

To a certain extent, analysts say, the Indian economy is so dependent on black money that economic dislocation was unavoidable if India was to seriously attack the problem.

“In an emerging market economy like India, where corruption was deep rooted and long lasting, there is no way to put in place reform without significant disruption in the short run,” said Eswar S. Prasad, a professor of economics at Cornell University.

The Mumbai novelist Namita Devidayal, in a Times of India column last week, described the efforts by many of India’s wealthy women to salvage “those happy little bundles which she would whip out of her cupboard safe.” Some were trying to pay their maids a year’s salary upfront, using the old notes, which the maids could ostensibly convert to new currency at the bank because the total was under the $3,700 limit.

Others were paying for a year’s hairdressing services in the old notes. Still others were pressing personal trainers, yoga teachers and children’s tutors to take cash upfront for months of services.


Ms. Devidayal argued in an interview that the wealthy were “always trying to find some bargain by saving on taxes” and were by far the biggest exploiters of the black money system. “I know wealthy women so used to handling cash they can tell how much money there is by the weight of a bundle,” she said.

Ms. Parikh said some customers had shown up with suitcases of cash, beseeching her staff to pretend the purchases were made days earlier, which the staff refused to do. Some other luxury goods stores not only obliged customers but solicited them, sensing an opportunity, Ms. Parikh said. “Everyone has tricks up their sleeves, backdating bills,” she said.

Real estate has been particularly hard hit by the ban on black money, since sale documents filed with the government typically reflect only the portion of the sale price paid by check. As a result, the sellers have no way of explaining to the tax authorities how they received the cash, which can account for as much as 60 percent of the deal.

People who had just sold property were particularly out of luck, since they have not had a chance to spend or invest the cash they received. One man who had just received 3.5 million rupees, or about $51,000, in a real estate sale said he was hiring 14 low-income people to deposit the 250,000 rupees in old notes that they are allowed to exchange without raising questions. Such tactics, called bundling, are illegal in the United States.
Whether these schemes are successful will depend on the scrutiny of bank officials and the tax authorities. The Modi administration has said it will exercise extreme vigilance to prevent them, but the Indian government’s record in the area of corruption is not strong.

Nevertheless, the pledge to crack down has ignited such fear of future income tax investigations that some people have been dumping cash. Several garbage pickers in Mumbai have found pillow cases and sacks filled with cash in recent days, said Saumya Roy, the chief executive of the nonprofit Vandana Foundation, which makes loans to the garbage pickers, among other low-income residents in Mumbai and elsewhere.

In a country where government oversight is weak, it has been easy to transact business in cash and to avoid taxes. Paying cash was also a way of avoiding the scrutiny of tax authorities who might question where a family, particularly that of a politician or wealthy business owner, had amassed the resources to spend enormous amounts of money on real estate or a wedding. “India is so crazy and complicated,” Ms. Devidayal said. “The option of not having black money is very much there, but because it’s so habitual and easy, and you can just say, ‘I had to do it,’ many people did.”

Cash had become so ingrained in the real estate industry that it was difficult to make a deal without paying some portion under the table. When Ramanan Laxminarayan, a Princeton University senior research scholar, tried to buy an apartment in the New Delhi area, he was told that he would have to provide 60 percent of the purchase price, about $420,000, in cash to close the deal. Unable to raise such sums, he gave up trying to buy. “I said, ‘Is it legal?’ They said, ‘Of course not,’” Mr. Laxminarayan said.

India’s lavish weddings have taken a big hit. Families that had stashed large amounts of black money to spend in the coming wedding season, which starts in December, are scrambling to make contingency plans. “This whole business is largely in cash,” from the caterer and musicians to the jeweler and ornate saris, said Satish Arora, a caterer and decorator in Faridabad, a city near Delhi.

Several marriages planned for five-star hotels have been downscaled, he said. Now, the best many can manage is “a simple joint reception.”
The luxury goods market also has been flattened. Business at some of Ms. Parikh’s Ensemble shops has dropped 60 percent since Mr. Modi announced his ban, she said. “We don’t know what will be normal in the future,” she said.




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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by sirfee(m): 10:03am On Nov 21, 2016
I also read it on Aljazeera,but the truth is that it won't work in Nigeria trust me

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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by Atiku2019: 10:13am On Nov 21, 2016
Nice....
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by Wristler: 10:22am On Nov 21, 2016
The fact that a nation or it's people is willing to put an end to poverty and corruption is a good news... ...A sincere fight against poverty and corruption is seen even by the blind.. .No be all these lopsided media show of power, vengeful intimidation, nepotistic highhandedness and impunity with reckless abandon wey our shenanigan nigga dey do for here.

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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by GMBuhari: 10:25am On Nov 21, 2016
sirfee:
I also read it on Aljazeera,but the truth is that it won't work in Nigeria trust me


Anything is possible

What the Indian prime minister did was prey on their greed , and Nnigerian Politicians are even more greedy , through proxies and buddies, they will exchange what they have in case since they can not perform USD transactions as often as they used to

Problem Nigeria may encounter however is two

The problem of capital to print the money

Most of our stolen money is in foreign currency ,


But i am sure if it's the last measure, everything will be done to ensure it works

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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by sirfee(m): 11:38am On Nov 21, 2016
GMBuhari:



Anything is possible

What the Indian prime minister did was prey on their greed , and Nnigerian Politicians are even more greedy , through proxies and buddies, they will exchange what they have in case since they can not perform USD transactions as often as they used to

Problem Nigeria may encounter however is two

The problem of capital to print the money

Most of our stolen money is in foreign currency ,


But i am sure if it's the last measure, everything will be done to ensure it works
Bro according to the report on Aljazeera,the lower class are the ones suffering from this policy in India.It won't work in Nigeria because our constitution favours the upper class,we have a corrupt and partial judicial system,we are practising oligarchy not democracy.Our polithiefcians are experts in corruption.

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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by sirfee(m): 11:46am On Nov 21, 2016
Wristler:
The fact that a nation or it's people is willing to put an end to poverty and corruption is a good news... ...A sincere fight against poverty and corruption is seen even by the blind.. .No be all these lopsided media show of power, vengeful intimidation, nepotistic highhandedness and impunity with reckless abandon wey our shenanigan nigga dey do for here.
Collect 5,you've said it all

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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by antispexish(m): 2:44pm On Nov 21, 2016
Wristler:
The fact that a nation or it's people is willing to put an end to poverty and corruption is a good news... ...A sincere fight against poverty and corruption is seen even by the blind.. .No be all these lopsided media show of power, vengeful intimidation, nepotistic highhandedness and impunity with reckless abandon wey our shenanigan nigga dey do for here.

from my trip to that country few years back, I found out that they have almost same political issues that we have, only difference is that power is not fully centralised.

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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by antispexish(m): 2:50pm On Nov 21, 2016
GMBuhari:



Anything is possible

What the Indian prime minister did was prey on their greed , and Nnigerian Politicians are even more greedy , through proxies and buddies, they will exchange what they have in case since they can not perform USD transactions as often as they used to

Problem Nigeria may encounter however is two

The problem of capital to print the money

Most of our stolen money is in foreign currency ,


But i am sure if it's the last measure, everything will be done to ensure it works
if done correctly, it wunt be a problem, all you have to do is
1)ensure the promotion of cashless policies and implementation so you don't have to print too much cash at once
2) make sure that the tax they will pay in ensuring they can deposit their money is well used for printing of new currency.
3) declare no cash transfer in foreign corrency, if you want to spend one dollar, it must be done through banks
4) all foreign currencies must be deposited into bank accounts within 3 months of acquisition

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Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by antispexish(m): 2:52pm On Nov 21, 2016
sirfee:
Bro according to the report on Aljazeera,the lower class are the one suffering from this policy in India.It won't work in Nigeria because our constitution favours the upper class,we have a corrupt and partial judicial system,we are practising oligarchy not democracy.Our polithiefcians are expects in corruption

lower class ke, the lower class don't even have up to the threshold amount at home.
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by comos: 3:14pm On Nov 21, 2016
as if the reccession we are facing is not enough,

one ops is suggesting changing of currency,

which will eventually sink Nigeria into depression.

please some should tell the ops to go bury his india theory.
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by Nobody: 3:52pm On Nov 21, 2016
sirfee:
Bro according to the report on Aljazeera,the lower class are the one suffering from this policy in India.It won't work in Nigeria because our constitution favours the upper class,we have a corrupt and partial judicial system,we are practising oligarchy not democracy.Our polithiefcians are expects in corruption

aljazeera and western media r themselves corrupt , they print their point of view and their narrow agenda : that is negativity about developing countries developmental initiatives.

rather these shithead media outlets should print about their own negativity in their respective countries be it in Qatar , middle east or western countries. do they have the guts ?

i am in India and yet i fail to see any chaos , least among the poor people .
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by antispexish(m): 4:21pm On Nov 21, 2016
comos:
as if the reccession we are facing is not enough,

one ops is suggesting changing of currency,

which will eventually sink Nigeria into depression.

please some should tell the ops to go bury his india theory.
I can bet you that if those hidden cash is forced into circulation, recession will end in a month, it's either you use the money to buy things like the Indians are doing, give it as gift on the streets , or put inot banks for the banks to be able to give loans to small scallops business . One good thing for sure is that those who hid those current money will not be able to use it easily for their nefarious activities, moreover, those interested in Curruption will become fewer, why steal money you can't keep!
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by EmoBoy(m): 4:30pm On Nov 21, 2016
antispexish:

I can bet you that if those hidden cash is forced into circulation, recession will end in a month, it's either you use the money to buy things like the Indians are doing, give it as gift on the streets , or put inot banks for the banks to be able to give loans to small scallops business . One good thing for sure is that those who hid those current money will not be able to use it easily for their nefarious activities, moreover, those interested in Curruption will become fewer, why steal money you can't keep!

Hidden cash from where? Nobody has hidden cash in Nigeria, people are poor and are getting poorer because of lack of jobs. If the government inplements this policy, there would be no hidden cash to collect.
You don't seem to understand that the case in Nigeria is very different than that of India.
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by sirfee(m): 5:11pm On Nov 21, 2016
nemesis2u:


aljazeera and western media r themselves corrupt , they print their point of view and their narrow agenda : that is negativity about developing countries developmental initiatives.

rather these shithead media outlets should print about their own negativity in their respective countries be it in Qatar , middle east or western countries. do they have the guts ?

i am in India and yet i fail to see any chaos , least among the poor people .
You are right though,sometimes this bias media outlet mislead so many people with their false stories.Most of them are too sentimental that's why I don't believe all their stories.Thank you for the information
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by sirfee(m): 5:15pm On Nov 21, 2016
antispexish:


lower class ke, the lower class don't even have up to the threshold amount at home.
Lol
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by MeAboki(m): 5:28pm On Nov 21, 2016
sirfee:
I also read it on Aljazeera,but the truth is that it won't work in Nigeria trust me

It had; in 1984 the Buhari/Idiagbon regime changed the colour Nigerian Naira note and caught many who had illegally stashed our currency abroad.
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by sirfee(m): 5:37pm On Nov 21, 2016
MeAboki:


It had; in 1984 the Buhari/Idiagbon regime changed the colour Nigerian Naira note and caught many who had illegally stashed our currency abroad.
I'm just afraid because of the recession Nigeria is facing,na die for the poor be dat ooh!
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by MeAboki(m): 6:43pm On Nov 21, 2016
sirfee:
I'm just afraid because of the recession Nigeria is facing,na die for the poor be dat ooh!

Quite on the contrary, a poor man wouldn't have had anything to worry about - where would he get the surplus cash to hoard anyway.
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by sirfee(m): 7:38pm On Nov 21, 2016
MeAboki:


Quite on the contrary, a poor man wouldn't have had anything to worry about - where would he get the surplus cash to hoard anyway.
Ok thanks
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by antispexish(m): 2:28pm On Nov 22, 2016
EmoBoy:


Hidden cash from where? Nobody has hidden cash in Nigeria, people are poor and are getting poorer because of lack of jobs. If the government inplements this policy, there would be no hidden cash to collect.
You don't seem to understand that the case in Nigeria is very different than that of India.

a lot of people hide their cash, cash they need to do dubious things, cash they can't put in banks due to tax issues, cash they hide cus they can't explain how they got it!

If those people are forced to spend that cash, their will be jobs , look at the india example, they using those kinda cash to pay workers upfront, some spend it on clothes, materials , spa, etc.

I believe a judge was caught with large ammount of cash recently, cash that will help the community in a long if he is forced to spend it, if it's legit, the tax on that money will help the government.

If you have 10 million naira starched in your safe, and it will expire in three months unless you change it to new currency, what will you do?
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by Boomboost(m): 1:45pm On Dec 12, 2016
...didn't really understand the exchange concept of the hoarded cash, but anything that will discourage Corruption is fine by me.

The thing is, these rich people are like an organized body of thieves and an economic situation that will bring a conflict of their selfish interest, they'll do what they can to thwart it.
Re: Can Nigeria Adopt This Method, Should We Adopt It? by Hollysaint: 7:38pm On Jan 09, 2017
lets watch and see

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