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Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by Nobody: 8:54am On Dec 23, 2018 |
Probz: Just the way the 'rest of you' are saying: Agboro, Ashawo, kpele, kpaktakpakta, etc... 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by Nobody: 9:04am On Dec 23, 2018 |
rhektor: Can you just imagine! These people left their 'bekee' and start claiming 'Oyinbo/oyibo' 2 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by TAO11(f): 9:33am On Dec 23, 2018 |
MozartianDreams: Oga is actually a Yoruba word. It is found for instance in the name of the leader of the founders of the historical Remo-Yoruba town known today as Ikorodu. His name is Oga (as in master) Lasunwon. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by TAO11(f): 9:42am On Dec 23, 2018 |
Probz: Pls address the part of Egusi not being grown in Igbo land. That appears to be the crux. Don't chase shadows ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by TAO11(f): 10:06am On Dec 23, 2018 |
lawani: WaWaWa with the tone MI DO MI means: "come drive us" 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by TAO11(f): 10:15am On Dec 23, 2018 |
agadez007: I grew up seeing a pear tree in my neighbourhood. That your story of it doesn't grow in south west is poo and dust. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by TAO11(f): 10:23am On Dec 23, 2018 |
Probz: That's just everyday yoruba sef. Nothing deep at all. Obi means parent. Well another twist: it could also mean kolanut (with a different intonation tho) ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by kayfra: 9:20pm On Dec 24, 2018 |
IkpuMmadu:We don't use those words so why would we claim them? ![]() |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by OlaoChi: 2:12pm On Dec 25, 2018 |
9jakool: In this same context, "ovbi" means child in Edo |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by IkpuMmadu: 3:40pm On Dec 25, 2018 |
OlaoChi: Lie ! You lie |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by OlaoChi: 3:42pm On Dec 25, 2018 |
IkpuMmadu:. I wouldn't know, I only read that from Edo people, so argue with them |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by agadez007(m): 7:26am On Dec 28, 2018 |
alablec:it is just like you Yorubas have thick cotton wool covering your eardrums that they keep telling you guys the same thing from the beginning of the thread Bekee is mostly used in Imo,Abia and maybe Ebonyi states,Anambra,delta Igbos and some Enugu people would say Oyibo instead Bekee was just made the standard Igbo just recently,a person from Anambra state Alive in the 1900s would not use bekee but oyibo,even today its Oyibo My great grandma nickname was Ego oyibo,I don't think she or her parents ever got to meet any Yoruba person to "claim" the word 3 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by agadez007(m): 7:29am On Dec 28, 2018 |
TAO11:then what is it called in Yoruba language? |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by TAO11(f): 4:02am On Dec 29, 2018 |
agadez007: I don't know what it's called in Yoruba language However, I want to assume that you have some basic understanding of analytic logic, sufficient enough to redeem you from possibly misconstruing my ignorance of its name to mean one and the same thing as it doesn't have a name in Yoruba language. In fact, the fact that it grows in the South West (as I have noted) is sufficient evidence that the indigenous people must have had a name for this fruit they grow around. tainkyu ... |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by rhektor(m): 6:52am On Dec 29, 2018 |
lawani: Most of these Yorùbá words you wrote up there aren't a single word A já a = We offload it as in A = we, ja =offload, a =it Adèé = we bound it as in A (we) A stem from àwa (we) dè (tie) the extra é is for stress Áade = he will come Áa = from ó máa as in he will, dé (come/arrive) All these are the products of what we call ìsúnkì (contraptions) and àrànmọ́. If you are a Yorùbá by birth and you speak the language you will not have difficulties in understanding these but if Yorùbá is your second or third language then you might have slight difficulty in understanding it unless you actually learnt the language officially |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by absoluteSuccess: 10:23am On Dec 29, 2018 |
Probz: "I have the intention of putting this across a long while ago, I believe now is the time. So how did the word Oyinbo crept up in Yoruba lexicon? This piece might help. The Yoruba has been familiar with different races from the onset of time. The Yoruba were a race of diverse races at one point in their history. To the Yoruba ancestors, the white were not always "Oyinbo", the most tenable word for a white person with the ancient Yoruba is Ofun. Originally however, the parent word for 'Oyinbo' may have come from the Fon kingdom of Dahomey, who contacted the white folks first after the long seperation from that race. The Fon for a white man is 'Yevo'. This word is derived from 'Oye' and 'Ovo', meaning, "of different shade". To the Fon, mankind is called Gbetor, meaning 'father of life', now the word in full is a phrase, 'Gbetor-yenor' meaning, 'a shadow (or replica) of the father of life'. That establishes 'ye' as in 'yes' as shade or shadow in that language. For instance, Yesehmeh in that language stands for 'shade's transit point'. Again, racial shade is known to this people. To the ancient Yoruba, white- man is 'e fun', we still say it in Yoruba language as 'Oyinbo-alawo-funfun'. That's a long-tail-expression however. Some Yoruba ancestors were white-skinned. It shows in the way Yoruba peoples named them afterwards based on their colour. For instance, the word Efunyela simply means "white skin is befitting to Ela". The Yoruba perception of their ancestors can also be observed in the way Yoruba sees the albino. They says, owo koko lafii wogi, owo Orisha lafii wo afin. Afin are spotted with Orisha, who are Yoruba ancestors. The Yoruba equally have black heros. One of the black hero in annal of Yoruba history was Odu. And in that regards is the folksong, "eye melo t'olongo wale?"...'Okan Dudu-Aro, Okan Sese Osun'. Hope you don't take the nursery rhyme as worthless. 'Duduaro' in another way round is 'Odunaro' a Yoruba surname spotting with a black thinker in annals of Yoruba history. "Sese Osun" is also a historical phrase, we speak of Osun as "Osun-se-ngese, Olooya 'yun" and also 'etu obeje elese osun', a totem of mother Osun, the matriarch of Yoruba race. Osun was a black beauty of Yoruba history, hence it is said, 'Odu eleyinju ege'. Osun is o su, that is of dark shade. Another way of putting it clearer is O du."
This guy, I really don't know what's wrong with you. I believe you are too careful to put my mention after cropping up my post to create your medley. I just discovered this post yesterday. No wahala, na you sabi. |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by IkpuMmadu: 12:30pm On Dec 29, 2018 |
alablec: Ashawo is Yoruba word becuase it is alien to Igbo Culture same with agbero |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by Probz(m): 3:04pm On Dec 29, 2018 |
absoluteSuccess: “I got that digging around on Nairaland.” And never for a minute did I pass it off as my own. Boy, either read the whole post or don’t comment. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by Probz(m): 3:10pm On Dec 29, 2018 |
Probz: cc. absoluteSuccess 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by absoluteSuccess: 3:39pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
Probz: If the digging fetch you the post as worthy of reckoning to further your claims, it behooves on you to quote the source and not act as if it turn up from an anonymous well, cleverness is not wisdom. If Olaochi did not assume you wrote that by yourself, would you have put the link?
How does the bolded speaks for your conviction? If the Yoruba have two names for one object, does that translate to making a foreign word Yoruba by breaking the word into syllables? I don't understand your logic. If I say the Yoruba borrowed Oyinbo from Yevo, what if I'm wrong? What if the word Yevo is just the word with the easier interpretation than Oyinbo to me studying the word countless years after it was coined? Hello, I can make mistake, so stop the clever game. Recently, I stumbled on a phenomena by accident on the Egun/Yoruba word that have baffled me a great deal, what the Yoruba called epon (scrotum) the egun called it "atoquin". Yoruba word for sperm is 'ato' ultimately from ito, that the Egun call 'adido'. Meanwhile, quin (pouch) is from okun, seed. From this, the word 'atoquin' simply means 'sperm pouch' in Egun, an amalgam of Yoruba and Egun word. I am able to interpret this being a person of both heritage, but the coinage is beyond anyone of both divides. So in a case like this, who borrow from who? Both have their words, but employ other related terms in their sphere of influence for intellectual purposes. The Yoruba have Oyinbo, just as the Egun have Yevo. If Igbo has Oyibo, its none of my business. Stop snooping around, make your valid and independent conclusions. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by Probz(m): 4:00pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
absoluteSuccess: “I got that digging around on Nairaland” was part of my original post. You can hide your illiteracy under the thin veil of pseudo-intellectualism but my point’s there for any non-biased reader, 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by ewa26: 3:29am On Dec 15, 2019 |
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Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by XAUBulls: 11:25pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
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Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by Probz(m): 12:01am On Dec 08, 2023 |
And how exactly is this apon soup cooked? Is it fit to be considered anything like real-deal ogbono (better known to Edos and certain Igalas besides Igbos and whoever-else has a grip on ogbono)? |
Re: Who Is The Real Originator Of These Popular Words -igbos Or The Yorubas. by XAUBulls: 12:01am On Dec 08, 2023 |
Pg1 Indeed. It's the Igala connection. Igala is a Yoruboid language and in addition to having part-Yoruba ancestors and bloodlines, Igalas exist in Kogi, Enugu, Anambra, Delta, and partly Edo States. The Igala presence over 500 years in the SE influenced the presence of a few noticeable words of Yoruba origin via Igala who are related to Yorubas according to a 2017 interview by the Attah of Igalaland, the late Attah Michael Ameh Oboni who clearly stated that a group of migrants centuries back came from the Wukari area in Taraba (Wukari is of Jukun ethnicity) and moved along the River Benue then got to the NigerRiver/Benue River confluence where they met in the Kogi area a significant number of Yorubas and Edos who they fused with. He said that was how Igala came into existence. I read some documents which stated that Igala has close to 30 percent of Yoruba words in it. Indeed it is very clear that Yorubas are direct cousins to Igalas, who also have ancestral ties with the Idomas, Ebiras, Nupes, Jukuns, Nsukka and other Northern parts of Enugu and Anambra, etc. Eri who was in the Igala-associated communities such as the Nri area was an Igala man who fathered children who then fanned out to establish other places. There's extensive historical work online showing that a significant section of Aguleri is of Igala origin! https://independent.ng/aguleri-are-not-descendants-of-eri-aniegboki/ https://www.nairaland.com/6568321/igbo-origin-eze-nri-nris 1. Omi in Yoruba is Omi (water) in Igala. 2. Ogede in Yoruba is Ogede (plantains) in Igala. 3. Ewa (beans) in Yoruba is Egwa in Igala. 4. Okuta in Yoruba is Okuta (rock) in Igala. 5. Akuko in Yoruba is Akuko (cock) in Igala. 6. Ifa in Yoruba is Ifa (Yoruba religion) in Igala. 7. Olukumi in Yoruba is Oluku (friend) in Igala. 8. Ogun in Yoruba is Ogwu (medicine) in Igala. 9. Ogun (war) in Yoruba is Ogu in Igala. 10. Egungun in Yoruba is Egwugwu (masquerade) in Igala. And there's lots more which can be gleaned online and offline. Mind-blowing. So, these explain the presence of a few words of Yoruboid/Igaloid origin in Ibo such as Okwute (Okuta in Yoruba), Ewu (Ewure in Yoruba) etc. Other regions, parts of Iboland have different names to describe things. So Ibo is not a uniform language because of regional and dialectic variations. 1 Like 2 Shares |
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