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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:18pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:lol @generally reduced in size... Keep on getting wrong information and stating them as what it is supposed to mean... FYI wisdoom teeth has harmful effects... |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:24pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: I seriously suggest you do your research and stop asking me silly questions. "People" did not interpret the 86 to be 180...EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTISTS did. I wouldnt want to give you links since you are already biased so help yourself with your own private research. let me give you some of his initial list of vestigials...please look at them carefully Adenoids Appendix Nipples on males. Nodes on ears, "Darwin's points" Parathyroid Pineal gland Pituitary gland Plantaris muscle Thymus Toes bones III, IV, V Tonsils Valves in veins Wisdom teeth How many of those few i dropped there look familiar to you? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:30pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Sometimes when you talk with so much arrogant ignorance i laugh at you. Click this link and simply type a search with the word small and it will take you to all the vestigial organs and all of them are considered small or reduced in size Ignorance is not an excuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:42pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:not evolutionary scientists...it was never stated there...the quote of the zoologist in that page sef...seems to be anti-evolutional... Doesnt mean no evolutionist did tho... That aside what do you understand by ''interpretations''? please do..because i checked his page on wiki and couldnt find any links to journals or thereabouts... and this proves what? I dont see your point!...honestly |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:51pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:54pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: You never ever see anothers point but you expect your point to be seen. If you cannot carry out your own research as the self acclaimed intellectual you are then drop it |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:54pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul: i dont think you checked what you asked me to.. 1)wisdom teeth is larger than modern teeth 2)''small size'' is not a defining standard for vestiges... Variables of ''Non functionality'' are. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigiality |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:55pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: This was the same way the appendix was so vehemently painted as an evolutionary authority until it got debunked. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:59pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:because there is none... Its just his textbook...from a scientist... Its like saying stephen hawking's ''a universe from nothing'' is the standard science proposed by academies of science,,government science orgs.,,peer reviewed journals and the general body of science as fact... |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 7:01pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:there's no debunking that... Unless the embroyonic tails in humans cease to be a developing coccyx... 2)the appendix is still vestigial...ille est on digestive functions... Just like the wings of the emu are considered vestigial to flight..but can be used as a shelter from cold. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:07pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Extract from http://www.livescience.com/10571-appendix-fact-promising.html Maybe it's time to correct the textbooks," said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. "Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a 'vestigial organ.'" You are obviously not in touch with current positions. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:16pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella i have given you scientific proof from a credible scientific journal that categorically states that the Appendix is not a vestigial organ will you now admit to being wrong? Will you say that ATAVISM which listed the appendix as a sure proof of evolution is still right? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 7:17pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:Wow You sound just like Kent hovind Don't end up in jail Pay your tax |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 7:20pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul: whats with the rambles? From the page how does it negate what i said? Im not sure you got what i said... Look at the underlined I said...the appendix is vestigial to digestive functions i then callibrated my statement with the situation of the emu..for you to grasp the idea.. I know the appendix has immune system functions... If i considered it a standard vestige... Why didnt i list it when you asked for a list of vestiges from me? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:20pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella i am waiting for you to admit you were wrong about the appendix being a vestigial organ. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:23pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Your statement shows your narrow mindedness and limited point of view. Simply because the appendix is joined to the large intenstine your assumption is that it must have a function related to the intestine. How shallow! Regardless of what your assumption was because that is what it was ..AN ASSUMPTION... I have proven to you that ATAVISM is based on assumptions same way your comment about it being linked to digestion was also an assumption. Is the appendix still a vestigial organ? YES OR NO |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 7:23pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:on the contrary... He said ''in a way'' exactly inline with what i said... shey i talk am say you dont understand atavism? There was never a time the appendix was listed as an atavistic feauture...by any site,journal or anything... Atavism still stands brother |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:26pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: I am done with you! YOU ARE BEING GROSSLY DISHONEST! You claimed you knew the appendix had immune system functions yet you called it a vestigial organ when the article said IT HAD CRITICAL FUNCTIONS in the immune system (I suppose you missed that word). And they ruled it out as a vestigial organ yet you were still parading it as a vestigial organ. You are a dishonest fellow. Discussion ends. Thanks for your time. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 7:41pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:abeg see wetin i talk here ille est means ;That is (i.e) you can misinterprete or misunderstand my statement all you want... you are the dishonest person here... Take your time and understand a thing before concluding.. I Never called the Appendix a vestige/vestigial organ it is you who re-interpreted my words and did so... |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:47pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Your words below MrMontella(m): 7:01pm How can you look at me can call me dishonest when your dishonesty is repulsive. Why would you call the appendix a vestigial organ to digestive functions when it is not a vestigial organ AT ALL? If its function is based on the immune system (which you claimed to have already known) why would you dishonestly refer it to the digestive system? Are you alright at all? I have told you that this discussion is over. People who make dishonest arguments piss me off and you are clearly doing so. Please save your mentions for someone else. Thanks for the time |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 7:56pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:therein lies the problem... I used the word ''vestigial'' as an adjective...not a noun... Thats what you cant see... so what you are directly saying is that an organ can not have/ had a previous or alternate use? says the person who has numerous dishonest arguments... Please save your mentions for someone else. Thanks for the time[/b][/quote] please am not bugging you... You can choose not to respond... |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 8:32pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
4kings: this is one misconception... Evolution is a fact...like gravity is a fact... Darwins theory of evolution tries to help us understand evolution more...just like einsteins theory of relativity... Darwins theory may be correct..it is a valid theory... A better theory may replace it...the same way einsteins general relativity replaced much of newton's idea of gravity.. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 8:34pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
jonbellion:i asked him how life itself does not violate the 2nd law of thermo' if evolution does... He didnt reply! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by 4kings: 12:06am On Dec 16, 2016 |
MrMontella:Here's an explanation(correct me if am wrong) : Hypothesis - - - - Educated guess Law - - - - - - - - - - Explanation of Observations (considered as "Fact" However not the " WHY" explanation, but a representative one. Theory - - - - - - - - -Explanation of Law and Hypothesis. Obviously, showing the "WHY" and more elaborate explanation. I agree, gravity is a fact when it comes to obvious observations(Law) The explanation of this observations, gives rise Newton's and Einstein's theories. _________-___-___-_________-__ On the other hand: the OBSERVATIONS of fossil records, similarities in DNA and so on, gives rise to different THEORIES, and they are: Progressive Creationism Theory of Endosymbiosis Punctuated Equilibrium Alien Interactions and more that I might not know about. From the above, we can say evolution is one of many Theories and not a FACT. I also read little about the mutationism once, though it's been debunked, it was once considered a valid "Theory". Or was String Theory a "FACT"?? (a character in one of the most popular TV series " Big Bang Theory" majored in this field for years before it was finally debunked) Correct me if am wrong somewhere, but from my understanding, EVOLUTION is NOT a FACT "yet". 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 12:49am On Dec 16, 2016 |
How on earth did this thread hit 40 pages It's all just the same rambling litany of half-cocked arguments and semi- finished nonsense. Seriously...... 1 Like |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 8:20am On Dec 16, 2016 |
SirWere: Shut up if you cannot refute the OP. Typing isnt proof of intelligence! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 9:26am On Dec 16, 2016 |
damogul: The irony is on you bruv |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 2:07pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
Still nobody! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 3:06pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:its an error from me... I added www. Ive corrected it Does that warrant an insult? Are you okay? even when i simplified it...you still cannot understand ''clear terms'' i even had to give you a beginners course on how mutations work...yet you still couldnt comprehend.. I also gave you the data released by lenski and co on the mutations here:www.nairaland.com/3511938/demystifying-evolution-exposing-it-fraud/34#51916097 and expected you to simply connect the dots like every rational human would do...but clearly rationality aint your forte.. The novelty that was produced is the creation of the Cit+ phenotype as stated by the data released by the researchers themselves were detected in evolved clones by using genome sequencing data, including a specific tandem duplication and further amplification events involved in the production of a novel Cit-positive (Cit+) phenotype[url=mbio.asm.org/content/5/5/e01377-14.full]E.coli,chromosonal changes:ASM Journal[/url] You so much love the word re-arrangments...but you have no idea what the statement means or what it potrays... Either your AIG knows this and are trying to deceive you'all or they are ignorant themselves... Here... i believe you know what deletions,inversions,duplications and insertions are... They are Mutations [url=mbio.asm.org/content/5/5/e01377-14.full]E.coli:Chromosome changes,Journal of The American Society Of Microbiology[/url] the thing is that you and your article do not understand the experiment at all.. If it were a rearrangement of normal functions of the bacteria in the sense you speak of Then 1)Other researchers on E.coli would have gotten the same results so easily 2)It would not be called ''Mutations'' but it would be called a normal cell functions like the ability of some animals to see at both day and night... If you cannot understand that The inability of the E.coli to digest citrate aerobically is what defined it as a species And that the Triggers of these chromosonal curve or digression/ or variations or re-arrangements as you call it are Mutations then maybe you dont understand the biology involved in all these terms.. And i suggest you start reading from here to gain basic knowledge https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation and also start here www.dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gain and here www.dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ability since words are your problems Youre a certified Joker! I swear down
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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 3:11pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:the utilization of citrate... Is the novel information gained... You're lost in the experiment...or the biological terms used are confusing you! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 3:23pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:this statement is based on an old data..long before the citrate utilization by the bacteria.. And was just a hypothesis.. The real fitness data of the researchers taken from various measurements showed that the E.coli Gained More fitness and sustained the fitness gains.. You can check it out yourself and understand that ''gene'' input.. www.datadryad.org/resource/doi:10.5061/dryad.gd3dq |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 3:31pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:i was greatly correct when i said you and your article do not understand the experiment... This SNP mutation was during the first stages in the experiment...The dna repair mechanisms of the cell still corrected it in the next few thousand generations.. The article i gave you..confirms this... i saw you stylishly ignored this statement by your blind search.. If you understand the experiment..you'd know that this was a green card. |
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