KingEbukasBlog:


Wikipedia is the only source of information ? Right ? I've told you what Nihilism is and its roots and there is no harmony between Christianity and Nihilism

The bible says that all murderers will go to Hell.

You cant be a Christian and claim to be a suicide bomber .

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8


If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:10

Christian atheism accepts the teachings of Christ but reject his divinity as God . The same thing with Christian deism.

They all don't represent the truth in Christianity

Why did you make use of a different translation ?

That bible verse explains why life is meaningless without God...

You have not shown me the connection between Nihilism and Christianity this guy ![/b] Stop the circumlocution and show me the compatibility .

damogul:


If its an early form of nihilism according to him and is not applicable to modern times why then did you push it forward?

DeepSight:

@ Kingebukasblog & Dalaman,

Please see -

https://www.nairaland.com/441220/mazaje-state-purpose-life

Several points of view on purpose in life were canvassed.

DeepSight:

@ Kingebukasblog & Dalaman,

Please see -

https://www.nairaland.com/441220/mazaje-state-purpose-life

Several points of view on purpose in life were canvassed.

mazaje:

The purpose of life IMO is to strive to fill each of the days we have to spend here on earth (hours, and minutes) with meaning. We should strive to fill them with learning and gaining wisdom, with compassion for the less fortunate, with love and tolerance for friends, strangers and family, with doing any job we want to do or are supposed to do very well, with fighting against evil and obscurantism, to protect our planet and all the other animals that we share it together with and YES, with enjoying sexxxx, TV, good food, arts, sports, parties, cars, modest luxury, and other fascinating stuffs that life has to offer. . .

MrMontella:


Also i asked you if deists are nihilists..since God has no atom of interference or anything to do with the universe but you've failed to respond!

KingEbukasBlog:


Sir I strongly believe the book of Ecclesiastes contravenes his meaning of life from a Christian perspective .



Mazaje is only striving to find meaning of life in those aforementioned . He thinks he has or he thinks he will , but he hasn't or he won't.

Mazaje tries to finding meaning in life through

i. gaining wisdom . Ecc 1:13-18
ii. Fight against evil Ecc 6: 1
ii. sex Ecc 2 : 10-11
iv. Good food Ecc 6:1-2 , Ecc 2:24
v. Arts Ecc 2:4
vi. TV Ecc 2:7-8
vii. Parties , Cars , Luxury Ecc 2:8 Ecc 2: 1
viii. And other fascinating things in life Ecc 3:12-15 , Ecc 4:13-16

And the preachers calls them vanity because

1. Man's work is repetitious Ecc 1:9-10

2. Man still remains unsatisfied because all these are in abundance Ecc 1:8

3. Man's works can be easily forgotten Ecc 1: 11

4. There is no end to this , it goes from generation to generation , different men seeking the exact same thing Ecc 1:3-4

5. Man spends his lifetime laboring to survive Ecc 2:22

6. And finally man dies still unsatisfied , still unfulfilled , still desiring more even at the point of death . So what's the point since you are born with nothing , and you still die with nothing . Same way of death even with the common beast Ecc 12 : 7-8 Ecc 3 :18-19

Its all useless without God .

KingEbukasBlog:


Sir I strongly believe the book of Ecclesiastes contravenes his meaning of life from a Christian perspective .



Mazaje is only striving to find meaning of life in those aforementioned . He thinks he has or he thinks he will , but he hasn't or he won't.

Mazaje tries to finding meaning in life through

i. gaining wisdom . Ecc 1:13-18
ii. Fight against evil Ecc 6: 1
ii. sex Ecc 2 : 10-11
iv. Good food Ecc 6:1-2 , Ecc 2:24
v. Arts Ecc 2:4
vi. TV Ecc 2:7-8
vii. Parties , Cars , Luxury Ecc 2:8 Ecc 2: 1
viii. And other fascinating things in life Ecc 3:12-15 , Ecc 4:13-16

And the preachers calls them vanity because

1. Man's work is repetitious Ecc 1:9-10

2. Man still remains unsatisfied because all these are in abundance Ecc 1:8

3. Man's works can be easily forgotten Ecc 1: 11

4. There is no end to this , it goes from generation to generation , different men seeking the exact same thing Ecc 1:3-4

5. Man spends his lifetime laboring to survive Ecc 2:22

6. And finally man dies still unsatisfied , still unfulfilled , still desiring more even at the point of death . So what's the point since you are born with nothing , and you still die with nothing . Same way of death even with the common beast Ecc 12 : 7-8 Ecc 3 :18-19

Its all useless without God .

KingEbukasBlog:


Deists can't be nihilists because they can have a personal relationship with God -

DeepSight:


If you have time review and let me know your thoughts on the discussion between KAG and myself in the same thread.

dalaman:


You've started with your falsehoods again. Many deist just believe in a creator God/Gods that is/are non interventionist. They have no.personal relationship with any God or God's. Thomas Paine is a deist that claims the creator God could even be dead.

dalaman:


All these are the opinion of the writer of the book. Many people have died as full filed and very satisfied men and women.

dalaman:
Many have died without desiring anything.

dalaman:
That alone shows that the writer of ecclesiastics is wrong.

dalaman:
How does God add meaning to life since even with God man has to go through all these things.

dalaman:
You'll come with the after life but that remains an assumption that has no evidence at all to support it. It is just another human invention to make sense of the fact that life is short, difficult and brutal to some people.

dalaman:
The after life does not add any meaning to the present life. The here and now matter to us all that is why we all find our death so distressing.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ Dalaman @DeepSight

I For logical reasons , to assume that the creator is dead is not really logical . Why ? Because the creator serves as the infinite source of our existence .

But there are two things to consider

1. Is the universe dependent on the existence of the creator?

2. Is the universe independent on the existence of a creator ?

II In Panendeism , the creator metamorphosed from a separate conscious being to an unresponsive universe . In that case , understanding the purpose of man's existence can be pretty difficult . Any ideas ?

emssecca:
Nigerians, you all are atheists, communists, xtians, hinduists, muslims, jews, deists etc. You quote from "classical" greece, vedic culture, "classical" romans etc but none of you have said anything so far, please correct me if I missed it, about your African Traditional Customs!!!

Do any of you really know about the history of Africa? Xtianity? Islam? Hindu? And all the so-called "classical" greece, roman and hindu era? Even the history of Nigeria? Do you all remember we were enslaved, colonised and are still under hegemonic control?

Let me give you a hint. The word "God" is a germanic word meaning "to invoke". It had nothing originally to do with the word "The Creator" before the english adopted it. The english language was created to confuse and contradict the non-initiate. Always research for the etymology of words in english before you use it.

Africans, specifically for this chat, Nigerians Know Thy Self!!!

Thank you. And I must say, irrespective you all are intelligent brilliant minds and I am happy that Africans are still standing tall and strong no matter the colonial influence. Peace and African Power!!!

DeepSight:


Wonderful post. It really is important to remind people. I have greater respect for real and sound minded African Traditionalists than for those religionists who only blindly gulp the myths and legends of other peoples as sacred truth whilst considering their own myths and legends as meaningless folklore only.

emssecca:
Also, we Africans have really forgotten our history. We have always been in existence. The white man is new in existence. Our traditional priests are original Scientists and Psychologists. For example, when the traditional priests apply white chalk to the left eye it is because the left eye is connected to the heart. The heart, with a focused but pure mind is directly connected to the Universe. The white chalk signifies "the unseen". We are and everything in existence is God. There is no beginning and there is no end. You can never know. Hence "energy is neither created nor destroyed". "Being" means "consciousness". We as traditional practitioners have one commandment, the original commandment "Do unto others as you like to be done unto you!" And we have our convenants to enforce this law. If I sleep with another man's wife, then definitely another man will sleep with my wife! We do not worry about "God this" or "God that" instead we use the knowledge of nature to apply it scientifically to better ourselves and our communities. We achieved a lot more together as Africans before the white man came to destabilise us but its all part of the universal plan. Man know thyself!!!

KingEbukasBlog:


Deists can't be nihilists because they can have a personal relationship with God - since they believe that God can interact with men but not necessarily mean he would intervene . They don't believe that life is meaningless and purposeless . Some deists believe that God punishes man even in this life and in the afterlife - yes , some deists believe in the afterlife

Consciousness has been proven through experience to exist outside the material/physical body

You committed a fallacy called the shortgun argumentation by inundating me with so many (irrelevant) questions - these questions don't even address the points I raised

You still haven't shown me the connection between Nihilism and Christianity

MrMontella:


1) If a deist has a personal relationship...
Its no more deism baba!

KingEbukasBlog:


Having a personal relationship with God (interaction) does not necessarily mean he intervenes . Please read about deism and stop making ignorant claims .

KingEbukasBlog:


I mean if you look at it , its more rejection of personal gods . A typical atheist argument will always impugn the belief in a personal god .

That's why anytime they are on the precipice of getting anything bad , they claim there is no God . Its all emotions .

Pay close attention bro , the typical atheist belief resolves around religion and personal gods .

They attack faith , prayer , worship with the belief that this somehow impugns the existence of God . Very small minded folks .

They are repulsed by deism . Deism is too intellectual to stand against . Have you seen them outwit oga DeepSight before ? There is no religious belief to mock or ridicule or fall back to . Its strictly logic . Pure logic .

Even 'smart pants' like Teempakguy started floundering . I was aghast at the egregiousness of his reasoning that day

Teempakguy:


Finally, you and deepsight are the same. All you do is state your opinions as absolute and dismiss all rebuttals as inconsequential. No one can have a meaningful argument with you or him.

felixomor:
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(I hope u can see those 2 bolded sentences)

In other words, anybody who finds meaning to life (including you) is living in a delusion.

[size=18pt] because if something doesnt exist universally and i find it personally. Thats a delusion. [/size]

So according to the above you and majority of the atheists (as u claim) who find meaning to life live also in the same delusions as religious people.

Abi?

damogul:


Did i lie? He was serious about his position about no meaning to life and saw no reason for love, no reason for marriage, no reason for children, no reason for the earth and ultimately no reason for life so wished death on humanity and total extinction.

dalaman:


I derive meaning from various things for my life. Different things give me meaning and shape my life. As I said life has NO universal meaning. We all.pick and chose what ever it is we want to give us meaning and purpose.

KingEbukasBlog:


You nailed it bro .

A true atheist is a nihilist

uvalued:

grizzlebear has finally manifested a true atheist... nihilistic...oh Lord help me to manifest my true identity as even athiest are coming to their true identity...

akintom:
The community of human beings, that lives within the realm of realism and rationalism, and particularly in 21st century, agrees that essentially and by implications, religious beliefs are anachronistic, in the very light of today's advancement in science and technology.

Away from the the malicious lies of Christian religion, that brands atheism as occultic group. Atheistic belief system is suitably compatible with humanity existentially.

Essentially too, atheistic views and position, on what is life and it's purpose, helps humanity to assume responsibility for the bringing forth, the best of their creative mind. This atheism enabled mindsets/worldviews, are the forces behind innovations and advancements seen in the world today.

The beauty of atheism is that it's not philosophically, metaphysically or theologically based. It doesn't subscribe to dogmatic or bigotic stance on belief system.

Atheism - a mere belief system, that rejects believe in god. But rather embrace the idea that the source of knowledge is by observation and not revelation.

Atheism takes into cognizance, that since knowledge based on observation is guided by rules and measures, people will emerge with variants (agnostic-atheism, gnostic-atheism, new-atheism etc ) of beliefs system of atheism.

This varied components of atheism, is compatible with the principles that governs knowledge inquisition, that's founded strictly on observation.

As against religious beliefs (founded on revelatory knowledge base), that's concluded, complete and not subject to criticism. Atheism is of the fabric of knowledge that's evolving via the instruments of criticism.

damogul:


With God or the gods of other religious people the meaning is one...PURPOSE! and this PURPOSE breeds DESIRE and DISCOVERY.

You on the other hand who is godless and do not believe God or gods exist are simply making up meaning as you go so to you there is no one meaning to life as the one you hold on to today can become meaningless tomorrow as you evolve as an atheist.

The Alpha atheist is the one who has fully embraced nihilism and you are yet to get to the level.

Everytime we talk about meaning in life you always use the religious to offer examples why can you not use your position as an atheist to offer meaning to your own life.

damogul:


If others believe in destroying humanity for their God which in this case i believe ISLAM is your focus then why not focus on that since you feel its repulsive.

However even they still hold meaning to life but a nihilist sees nothing in nothing so does not believe in anything as meaningful since his own life was an accident of nature. I quote grizlybear

"I wish i was not born because my life was by chance. Chance brought me here so what then is the purpose to my life?"