annunaki2:


The so called refutation is full of deliberate lies, contradiction, mis interpretation of the quoran , kitman and islamic al taquiya.

purple3091:
It isn't peaceful/good,that is why i left it...but it is hard bein an ex-muslimah,because i have to live a pretence life,it is hard to completely get out of it,because most my family is muslim,plus am married and already have 4 kids,it is only last two years i realised the truth about islam....pretence is so hard,because all my life i grew up believing & defending this religion of ies,rape,murder,thievery ...wish i knew during childhood

Rilwayne001:


All these are your perception which is subjective to you, and before it can becomes objective that everyone would admit to be the truth, you have to prove them all to be true. So i ask you, how is Islam a religion of lies, rape, murder and thievery?

Rilwayne001:


All these are your perception which is subjective to you, and before it can becomes objective that everyone would admit to be the truth, you have to prove them all to be true. So i ask you, how is Islam a religion of lies, rape, murder and thievery?

FriendChoice:


Good question. She should give us a verse or Hadith that promote the aforementioned. Otherwise she is a certified lair.

purple3091:
all these perception is subject to reality

and not just me,as i said to one poster,due to the type of small phone am using,i shall only be able to quotr the proofs from the evil book itself(the quran/koran) tomorrow,when i can use laptop.

if you have time,go through the whole topic pages

FriendChoice:


Good question. She should give us a verse or Hadith that promote the aforementioned. Otherwise she is a certified lair.

true2god:
Even if a million reference are given to you, on why Islam is a religion of thievery, rape, anger and murder, you will still give excuses. Either we don't read it in original Arabic or we read 'out of context'. Muslims are never tired of making excuses for Mohammed and Islam. However to the Saudis, Mohammed's genocide against the kafirs is a source of pride, well documented in the hadith.

To show you that Islam is a religion of peace, a civil war started among the Muslim ummahh, immediately after the death of the prophet of Islam, which led to the split of Islam into the sunni and Shi'a sects. Mohammed's grandchildren, hassan and Hussein, lost their lives in that civil war. Their father, Ali, the 4 or 5th khaliffa, was murdered by the Sunnis. Till date, the Shi'a still remembered the death of Mohammed's grandchildren in what they call 'the ashura' festival.

Rilwayne001:


Of course that's your perception and it would do good if you can substantiate it by proving them to be true. Trust me, we have enlightened brothers here that are ready to clear your absurd perception. Whether it is subjective to reality or not, kindly provide your proof.



Interesting! I will be waiting. But it will do good if you open another thread, or what do you think?



I've gone through the topic and i won't be responding to the OP because i know him a and his objective in here. I came here purposely because of you. Hopefully you will mention me when you are with your laptop.

true2god:
Even if a million reference are given to you, on why Islam is a religion of thievery, rape, anger and murder, you will still give excuses. Either we don't read it in original Arabic or we read 'out of context'. Muslims are never tired of making excuses for Mohammed and Islam. However to the Saudis, Mohammed's genocide against the kafirs is a source of pride, well documented in the hadith.

To show you that Islam is a religion of peace, a civil war started among the Muslim ummahh, immediately after the death of the prophet of Islam, which led to the split of Islam into the sunni and Shi'a sects. Mohammed's grandchildren, hassan and Hussein, lost their lives in that civil war. Their father, Ali, the 4 or 5th khaliffa, was murdered by the Sunnis. Till date, the Shi'a still remembered the death of Mohammed's grandchildren in what they call 'the ashura' festival.

purple3091:
you went through the whole topic pages yet asked me the same question that was asked by another poster yes i shall mention you when i provide some of the proofs from that bad,disgusting book.because if i had to provide all the proofs,it would be the whole koran.i shall mention you when i give proof

Rilwayne001:


All these are your perception which is subjective to you, and before it can be objective that everyone would admit to be the truth, you have to prove them all to be true. So i ask you, how is Islam a religion of lies, rape, murder and thievery?

alBHAGDADI:
Islam is a religion of LIES cos it uses Al taquiya, which means a muslim can lie or deny being Muslim if his life is under threat. What Muslims don't know is that Al taquiya is a seed of lies that, when allowed, becomes a tree that bears fruits of lies. This makes one to lie in all aspects of life.

Islam is a religion of RAPE cos Mohammad encouraged Muslims to have sex slaves.

Islam is a religion of murder cos it tells all Muslims to "FIGHT the unbelievers until there is no more fitnah and religion is all for allah". The religion also tells Muslims to kill whoever leaves Islam. isn't that murder?

Islam is a religion of thievery cos it plagiarised the Bible and turned around to claim the same Bible is corrupted
It stole ancient cultures and labelled them Islamic.

There are quranic verses and hadith that support all I stated above. Pls don't make me fish them out.

Rilwayne001:


I no get your time today, after all you will end up running away as usual

Coward!!!

alBHAGDADI:
Islam will be ashamed of you today for not defending it with all the Al taquiya it taught you. Mohammad will be turning in his grave this very moment or his 72 virgins are dumping him as we speak.

purple3091:
all these perception is subject to reality and not just me,as i said to one poster,due to the type of small phone am using,i shall only be able to quotr the proofs from the evil book itself(the quran/koran) tomorrow,when i can use laptop.if you have time,go through the whole topic pages

Rilwayne001:


Brave coward please shut up!! Come back here. , here or here if you are not a brave coward

Demmzy15:
You keep repeating "I'm on the phone" but when left alone, you still go back pouring out the same gibberish! Tell us with proves why you left, I seriously hope you're not one of those few people we have here who would lie to just to get cheap attention. Let me assure you that, you'll be exposed if caught!

Thanks!

Seun:
Everybody knows the answer to this question. What we need to know is what can be done to make it more peaceful.

Demmzy15:
You keep repeating "I'm on the phone" but when left alone, you still go back pouring out the same gibberish! Tell us with proves why you left, I seriously hope you're not one of those few people we have here who would lie to just to get cheap attention. Let me assure you that, you'll be exposed if caught!

Thanks!

purple3091:
hi to you too, first of all,i will never ever and forever be guided to a religion whose foundation is on lies,murder,rape,pedophilia,i left islam because that is its foundation.i am on a small phone,i will give some examples of the proof i have tomorrow,i don't want to have to type out the verses,rather copy and paste tomorrow when home using laptop,am at my sis in law place.

Haroun13:

Alhamdulillah. I'll be expecting your response. Salaam.

purple3091:
yes,will response with quotes

purple3091:
seems either you cant read,or are delusional...i had to repeat the same things to you and another poster that the reason i left is because ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF LIES,RAPE,THIEVERY,MURDER!!! maybe if i type in capital letters that will get to you?!gosh,i said i shall quote the verses proving what i said tomorrow yet you (probably muslims) still come with your gibberish gosh,and this is the last time am repeating the same thing to someone who cant use a brain,kapish!coming up at me rude,when all i have been is polite. And show me how i was left alone??when its clear from the post(s) i was asked by somene else the same question(s) so had to repeat myself ~_~"

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, in whatever you do, don't let them know your identity. They can trace and kill you if they do. We all know that the punishment for whoever leaves Islam is DEATH.SHAME in them

purple3091:
seems either you cant read,or are delusional...i had to repeat the same things to you and another poster that the reason i left is because ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF LIES,RAPE,THIEVERY,MURDER!!! maybe if i type in capital letters that will get to you?!gosh,i said i shall quote the verses proving what i said tomorrow yet you (probably muslims) still come with your gibberish gosh,and this is the last time am repeating the same thing to someone who cant use a brain,kapish!coming up at me rude,when all i have been is polite. And show me how i was left alone??when its clear from the post(s) i was asked by somene else the same question(s) so had to repeat myself ~_~"

truthmans2012:



The few percentage of muslims, the Arabs are the true Muslims in the real sense of the Quran. None Arabs who do not follow the injunctions of Allah should quit the religion immediately to prevent wasting their lives.

These are what the true Muslims (mostly the Arabs) follow and you are not in the position to accuse them of misinterpretation. They know islam better than you:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse). Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill in his cause.

Those quranic verses of violence is the reason the Arabs, including Muhammad's own relatives, the Saudi Arabians are violent. You can't claim to know better than the people who introduced the religion to you.

Haroun13:

I wonder who told you this. A true Muslims is one who follows the Qur'an and Sunnah of Muhammad (pbuh) in truth.
Also, your "speech" doesn't even support you, because I'm sure you probably know that it was the same Arabs(pagans) who opposed the spread of the message of Islam.
In conclusion, a true Muslim is not one who is Arab, but one who follows the Qur'an and Sunnah of Muhammad (pbuh) in truth.


Another misleading interpretation. Knowing Islam in truth has nothing to do with being an Arab. Read above.


Another wrong interpretation.
Quran 2:216 Jihad ['Qital '] (holy war in the cause of God) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But God knows, and you know not.

The first mistake in this translation is that this Quranic verse actually does not use the word “Jihad”. This verse actually uses the word “Qital”, which refers to physical combat in war. Combat is ordained for Muslims in order to defend themselves and their rights, as well as the rights of others. It is sufficient to quote a verse from the Quran in this regard:
4:75 And what is wrong with you that you do not engage in combat for the sake of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."
It is most certainly a duty of all human beings to help each other from oppression and injustice. This is what Islam teaches. Commenting on verse 2:216, Abdullah Yusuf Ali writes:
To fight (combat) in the cause of Truth is one of the highest forms of charity. What can you offer that is more precious than your own life? But here again the limitations come in. If you are a mere brawler, or a selfish aggressive person, or a vainglorious bully, you deserve the highest censure. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an, Text, Translation and Commentary )
Therefore, the fighting ordained by God in the Qur'an is the fighting to establish justice and security in the land, and this is a duty upon all human beings. We will always hope for peace, but we must realize that without justice, freedom, rights and equity, peace will never be able to survive. Likewise, on verse 2:216, Abdul Majid Daryabadi writes:
War, it has been truly said, is sanctioned by the law of nature – the constitution of man and the constitution of society – and is at times a biological and sociological necessity. Islam, the ideal and practical religion has allowed it, but only in cases of sheer necessity.
(Daryabadi, The Glorious Qur’an, emphasis added)
Islam has designated war as the last resort and only in cases of sheer necessity, in order for us to defend the rights of ourselves and others. Also, the picture becomes even more clear when we take into consideration the historical context of the revelation. Abdullah Yusuf Ali goes on to explain the historical context in his commentary on verse 2:217:
The intolerance and persecution of the Pagan clique at Mecca caused untold hardships to the holy Messenger of Islam and his early disciples. They bore all with meekness and long-suffering patience until the holy one permitted them to take up arms in self-defense…
(Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an, Text, Translation and Commentary )
In light of the above quote, it becomes apparent that fighting has been especially ordained in conditions of severe persecution and hardship. Consequently, the Muslims are required to defend themselves from oppression and establish justice. To abstain from helping those under oppression is cowardice. Abdul Majid Daryabadi also explains the historical context of the verse:
Persecuted, harassed, afflicted, poverty-ridden, exiled, and small in number as the Muslims were at the time of the enactment of warfare, it was but natural that they were none too fond of crossing swords with the mighty forces that had conspired for their extirpation. Nothing short of express and emphatic Divine Command could urge them on to the field of battle [in order to defend their rights]. And yet the Islamic jihads are declared to be ‘designed by the Prophet to satisfy his discontented adherents by an accession of plunder!’ (Margoliouth). Such is this European scholar’s love of veracity! Such is his wonderful reading of history! (Daryabadi, The Glorious Qur’an )
The commentary on this verse makes it very clear that Muslims have always understood this verse as the legal right to defend one’s rights from the forces of oppression, but never to transgress limits in defense.


This is very clear.
“(We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve) [3:151]. Said al-Suddi: “After Uhud, Abu Sufyan and the idolaters headed toward Mecca. But after they traversed a certain distance, they felt regret, saying: ‘Evil is that which we have done! We massacred them [Muslims] such that none of them remained except those who fled from the battlefield and then we left them alone. Go back and exterminate them ’. But when they decided to do so, Allah, exalted is He, cast terror in their hearts which made them decide against what they had resolved to do. Allah, exalted is He, then revealed this verse.”
Another interpretation is that the verse refers to the punishment of unbelievers in the hereafter.


I guess so.

Actually, it's correct. Because, you cant be telling me that the father is 1 person, the son is 1 person, and the holy ghost is 1 person but they are not 3 persons but 1, the father is 1 god, the son is 1 god, and the holy ghost is 1 god but they are not 3 gods but 1. What language are you speaking, because by Allah, it is not English but gibberish. You see, when you use words, the mind cant help but conjure up mental pictures. Maybe when you here "the father", you picture Santa Claus, but much bigger, with the heavens as canopy, and all that. When you hear "the son", you imagine Jesus (pbuh), and when you hear "the holy ghost", the picture might not be clear, but you imagine either the dove, during the baptism, or the figure in the fire at Pentecost. But no matter how hard you try, you can never super impose these 3 pictures. So, when you say you only see one being, you are lying, my brother, you are lying.


Again, another misleading quotation. I'm sure you didn't read the verse immediately after this to know what "fighting in the cause of Allah" is.

4:75 And what is wrong with you that you do not engage in combat for the sake of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."
Please tell me how that relates to "suicide bombing". You don't know Islam. Stop spreading false info to mislead others.


Again, another malicious quotation. Why don't you read it in full, if you are truthful.

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks; – Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them". (YUSUF ALI Translation, Quran 4:89-91)
Please, tell me where it says Muslims should go about on a killing spree with innocent and peaceful people, whether believers or not.


First, "Jihad" means to struggle or persevere, or strive. Any action that involves striving to please Allah, or striving to abstain from sin is Jihad. Jihad could also be in form of physical fighting, only in the case of fighting oppression. So, apply this if you are truthful and tell me how it involves killing innocents.

Wow! I think you should clap for yourself.
See how you interpret the verse maliciously. I already told you above that the only form of Jihad that involves fighting physically, is fighting against oppression.
Also, if you read the preceding verse, you'll see that your interpretation is entirely false and unfounded. Again, only if you are truthful.
Also 4:94 prevents killing of innocents as it says “…be careful to discriminate, and say not unto one who offereth you peace: “Thou art not a believer,” seeking the chance profits of this life…”



I don't know how true your "claims" of "violence" are, but like i said, that is not the basis of Islam, rather, the basis of Islam is the Quran and Authentic hadith. And if you are truthful, you'll clearly see that your so called quotes of violence are entirely false and unfounded.

Why not? Besides, Islam is for the whole world, so, again, understanding and following the Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad (pbuh) in truth has nothing to do with being an Arab.

Salaam.