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| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 5:41pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Seriously It got me laughing when i noticed the psalm scriptures he used to show that tithe was a pre law.... The one that hasn't made me stop laughing is dis absurd idea that Abraham received a "mouthed revelation about tithe" but there was no book to either cover such event or record the lives of Abraham's family....  |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 7:07pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: He taught the same Jews of yours about prayers also . Don't you pray? Why do still insist on the SHADOW? Is the law a shadow ? A shadow of what? What i'm saying is this: Do you know more about the spiritual life for the church than those who started the church? Is incest a sin ? If it is how do you know? If a family is into incest . On what ground can you tell him it's a sin? Epistles ? 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by LambanoPeace: 7:23pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
brocab: I must say I'm disappointed at you. Thanks 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by LambanoPeace: 7:28pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Hello sir. Please what's the connection between Melchizedek's order of priesthood after which Jesus is and tithing, seeing the priesthood who received it from Abraham is still alive today and forever. Is there any connection, if yes, kindly expound... If no, kindly explain. Thanks |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by plainbibletruth: 9:23pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
LambanoPeace: The book of Hebrews compares Jesus and Melchizedek. Melchizedek was called a priest of the Most High God. Like Melchizedek, Jesus is a priest of the Most High God. Melchizedek was a King-Priest. He simultaneously occupied both position. In that regard Jesus was a priest more like Melchizedek than like Aaron. Obviously a King-Priest priesthood is superior to an ordinary priesthood. Jesus Christ King-Priest priesthood was instituted by God himself and has been set up to last forever. If Abraham, from whom the Aaronic priesthood eventually came, was blessed by and gave to a greater person – the King-Priest, that KIND of priesthood which Jesus Christ holds, then the Aaronic priesthood is inferior to the type Jesus Christ holds. If perfection was found in the Aaronic/Levitical Priesthood, there would have been no need for a Priest to appear after the order of Melchizedek (King-Priest pattern) rather than after the order of Aaron. The focus of the writer then is, “For you Hebrews who believe in Jesus Christ, you are no longer under the ceremonial aspects of the Law. You do not offer animal sacrifices anymore; you do not pay tithes to the Aaronic priesthood anymore. Because there was a change in the priesthood, there is also a change of law which accompanies it.” 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:31pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
openmine: Exodus 30:6-10 (KJV) Read the whole passage . It's about sin and atonement. The document below will give better understanding Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Incense True but both are related cos U cannot do without the other... The shadows are fulfilled ,the principles remain . Matthew 5:17 (KJV) 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. . ..a law that cant justify or make U perfect which is the will of God,is as good as useless or worthless.... Brother . Paul quoted the law. What safest thou .? .[b]Ephesians 6:2-[/b]3 (KJV) 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise  3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.Like i said earlier,U dont need a law for that... So on what ground would you condemn incest? Or homosexuality I answered that question explicitly for you unfortunately,U ignored it Maybe oversight . . . . . . |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:32pm On Feb 02, 2017 |
. openmine: Because Jesus had fulfilled that. There are shadows in the law .which Christ fulfilled. Circumicision was not required because Christ has become circumsicsin. But there is no fulfillment for your personal prayer,offering ,tithe ,fasting ,alms worship etc. they are principles . This is yet another manipulative and deceptive statement that lacks substance,scripture or direction.... The issue with the law was that men sought it for righteousnes . It cannot give a man , salvation,perfection . Because man was imperfect . Reference to the law . Relates the the ability to be perfected by it or made righteous.. it's not dealing with the principles of Gids kingdom mentioned in the law . It was already predicted that Christ was going to bring justification and righteousness. Isaiah 53:11 (KJV Strong's) . . . .by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. [1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV Strong's) 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: Romans 10:4-5 (KJV) 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. You can see The content of the law is good on its own as long as a man does not seek to be justified by them Romans 7:12 (KJV Strong's) 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. What do U understand by the scripture,hebrews 7:12? It's as simple as it is . Priesthood changed from Levi to Christ . A type of Melchizedek. The tithe collector! Then some men came to Antioch from Judea and began teaching the non-Jewish believers: “You cannot be saved if you are not circumcised as Moses taught us.” 2 Paul and Barnabas were AGAINST THIS TEACHING and ARGUED with these men about it. acts 15:1-2 I explained this above. . Christ is our circumcision,justification righteousness. We attain that by salvation. But that doesn't take away the moral value of Gods kingdom The law of moses was superior and still superior to the nigerian constitution... Don't miss my point . I told you it wasn't a perfect example . My point is the Constance of moral value . Same law Paul and barnabas condemned in Acts 15:1-2 I believe my response already answeeed that. It's only on the ground of seeking justification. In the case of tithe,there was no mention as a spiritual principle....such principle must be done on a daily basis and also contained in the scriptures which was never the case... A principle doesn't have to be daily . Abraham prayed only once by record Using the exchange btw Abraham and Melchizedek as grounds to classify tithe as a spiritual principle is not only faulty but laughable... Don't even go there at all. All these war spoil exchange . I gave you you the references . It was tithe . Contrary to Ur opinions and surprisingly ur hasty assumptions,i haven't avoided and will never avoid any question asked....If there was any one avoiding my questions and inputting unfounded verses in the scriptures,it has been U... Were there books? What books ? Like i have said and keep saying,If U want Us to open a new thread about the laws of moses including ur dearly beloved incest,Please do so and i will gladly show up but for the benefit of this thread and issue at hand,lets stick to ur lofty analogy which states that tithe is an "eternal principle" It has a lot to do with my point brother Everything....It was not an error like U said...It was an intentional Act to sleep with their maid.... It was umbelief . He didn't wait for God. If we decide to stick to the topic of the thread which is why pastors avoid Deutronomy 14:22-29...It will not only contradict ur pre law-tithe principles but also render tithe being practiced by most believers (Including U) as fraudulent and based on falsehood! Kindly proove it Thats becos the subject matter is "tithe" not "incest" not to kill or to bear false witness.... I brought it up to proof you wrong . Seriously are U asking me that? were U not the one who said there were no books to record ur unfounded documentation of the lives of Abraham and his family? What reference can you provide that they had books Going by what U have said so far about tithe being an eternal principle,Ur tithe beliefs are not based on 1 Corinthians 9.... The income for the ministers in the Old Testament was tithes and offerings . So kindly don't add to it. If Paul' used it as illustration,let it speak for itself Thats because U dont know and U are only assuming what jacob was thinking....Even as a bible scholar or student,U cannot base ur analysis or theories based on assumptions....The bible said Jacob Vowed and thats where it ends! Jacob made a VOW not tithe.... A vow is just a statement of commitment. National pledge is a vow . But it was handed down from generations . Its like someone vows . "Lord if you save me from this trouble ,I will serve you" that doesn't mean he wouldn't serve him if there had not been trouble . .... Occurrence implies relevance according to what was written.... Was every detail documented ? and no Abraham didn't pray just once and that wasn't the only prayer recorded before the law... How many time did Abraham pray? Abraham never tithed....Hebrews 7:6 shows that for such to be called a tithe,it wud have to be btw a levite who receives such tithe and a priest of a levitical order. That is utter rubbish . If God says Abraham gave tithe . Leave it like that ok. It didn't say Levi gave war spoil in Abraham . Hebrews 7:6 (KJV Strong's) Hope you saw the highlight. "TITHE " The main substance of that scripture was to draw a comparison between the levitical priesthood and the priesthood of Melchizedek... How far will you go to change Gids holy word brother . I'm sure if you have your way you would call 8% . chaiiii !
When you begin to desecrate scripture deliberately like this . I wonder if I need to respond anymore to you. For your information. 10th ,10% and tithe are all the same . Just as sabbath and "rest are all the same . Now you want to remove the spirituality of precious Abraham tithe just to put up argument that's not very nice . Melchizedek was not just a king . He was a priest Gods highpriest . Abraham didn't give him tithe as a king but as a high priest . He had power to bless Abraham because he was greater than Abraham . Read the scripture below and repent pls . Hebrews 7:7 (AMPC) 7 Yet it is beyond all contradiction that it is the lesser person who is blessed by the greater one. Do kings bless prophets? Only a priest can bless . the levites gave a 10th to the levitical priesthood while they kept the rest of the tithes which happened to be of farm produce DEUTRONOMY 14:22-29;NUMBERS 18:20;DEUTRONOMY 26[/quote Tithes was the major discuss. The man big so tey he received tithes from Abraham and blessed him. Abraham was under no obligation to give Melchizedek of the war spoils... Your assumption. Prove it. The law tithe was based on farm produce and cattle(DEUTERONOMY 14:22-29;NUMBERS 18:20;DEUTERONOMY 26) They were primarily a nation of farmers just as Nigeria was an oil producing nation . That doesn't mean that's all they produce. I've proven that to all viewers . Abraham gave not from his possessions or from his people's possession but from the war spoils which was recovered during battle... He gave from his posession . The king already gave them to him . He gave tithe first to the priest and return the rest . I asked U a very simple question....Wud ur earthly father ask anything from U wen he is already wealthy? Its a YES or NO Genesis 27:4 (KJV) 4 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die. There is no distinction when it comes to benevolence.... You're wrong. A giving cannot take the place of another . Honoring God cannot take the place of honoring parents. Mark 7:10-13 (NLT) 10 For instance, Moses gave you this law from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ 11 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ 12 In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. 13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” 2 Corinthians 8:7 That's only a kind of giving . Thats Ur problem not mine OUCH!! Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. The point I wanted you to see as against your kalo kalo error. Is that nothing is wrong in giving with expectation. It's of faith to give with expectation of increase . Really? It's a principle . Abraham knows this , Jacob and Esau knows this . Malachi was written to the people of israel who were under the law of moses not grace....are U saying dere was grace during the time of malachi? Grace refers to Gods blessing or ability in a man. Samson Strenth was a grace . Solomon wisdom was a grace . That's what I meant . Not dispensation of grace but ability You inserted "ONLY" You did Well i know better about Ur tithe beliefs....the unspoken revelation that was mouthed to Abraham but wasn't too important to be recorded because there was no book or no ink then according to petra1 That reminds me . I'm waiting for references on the books they used . Maybe I missed it.
Mal 3 should be ok for now As much as i agree with U that knowledge of the scripture is required to be made right,Its important to understand that NOT all scriptures APPLIES to a believer in christ.... What you call the law of Christ is only a section of the law of Moses . The real law of Christ is a nature . It's not even a law . It's life . |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 12:32am On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1:Was trying to point out burning of incense as a law....which u mistakenly tot was incest Which doesn't include tithe...Unless U are still fantasizing about the "spoken revelation of Abraham" which we all know is only a figment of your imagination.... Strong's Concordance teleó: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill Original Word: τελέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: teleó Phonetic Spelling: (tel-eh'-o) Short Definition: I end, accomplish, pay Definition: (a) I end, finish, (b) I fulfill, accomplish, (c) I pay. There was no way christ wud demolish a law that he came to bring to an end through his death.... This is further understood using Galatians 3:24 24 I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith. 25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law to be our guardian. . Brother . Paul quoted the law. What safest thou .? And paul wrote that christ ended the law.... Ephesians 2:15 15 [b]Christ ended the law with its many commands and rules. His purpose was to make the two groups become one in him. By doing this he would make peace. Hebrews 7:18-19 18 The old rule is now ended because it was weak and worthless . 19 The Law of Moses could not make anything perfect. But now a better hope has been given to us. And with that hope we can come near to God. So on what ground would you condemn incest? Or homosexualityOn the grounds that U dont sleep with ur siblings of which U dont need a law to tell U dat....So bro U actually need a law to tell U not to sleep with Ur sisters?  Do U need a law to stop U from being a homo? Did God create Adam and jack or Eve and mary in the garden of eden? Is masturbation a sin? I hope so.... |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 1:06am On Feb 03, 2017 |
No one is interested in your opinion or your disappointments. But you will love this video if you are willing, since you refuse to listen to non tithers in scripture and word-this guy preachers the corrections that your Prosperity preachers don't preach, he also preachers the differences between tithing and giving, in the correct way, I am not expecting you to learn anything from this-only because your heart is harden and far from it. But a tither should at least learn something about the truths about tithing and giving and why" were there changes in the Church of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw_fxRJeO_s LambanoPeace: |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 1:28am On Feb 03, 2017 |
Try and be more disappointed this time, with the Word Of God Mr LambanoPeace The truth about tithing today is a business, it don't belong to God as the tithers claim it to be-it belongs to the world, a world of greed and selfishness's and of course full of religious hypocrites. The world can only go after their own-you sell one product, you gain two. The money game runs on the same merit. {Matthew 6:24} Jesus said: You can't serve two masters, you will either hate the one, and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one, and despise the other. You can't serve two masters God and Mammon {Money}. At the same time. WHILE THE CHURCHES EVERY WEEK SEEK AFTER TITHES MONEY--WE DON'T SEE CHURCHES SEEKING GOD? AND WHEN WE SEE CHURCHES SEEKING GOD--WE DON'T SEE CHURCHES SEEKING AFTER TITHES MONEY. It's impossible to serve two masters "equally" don't we just love the Word Of God Mr LambanoPeace?.. LambanoPeace: |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 4:30am On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1:Not just Circumcision....but the entire law of moses was condemned by Paul,Barnabas and Peter in Acts 15 U said paul never condemned the law of moses and i offered U a scripture to prove otherwise... The issue with the law was that men sought it for righteousnes . It cannot give a man , salvation,perfection . Because man was imperfect . Reference to the law . Relates the the ability to be perfected by it or made righteous.. it's not dealing with the principles of Gids kingdom mentioned in the lawBased on my reply to U,i expected a response where Christ made separation of which law to abolish and which to discard...Hence,i expect those scriptures....but i do know very well that no law supersedes the one given to christ when he became a high priest... [color=#770077]Romans 7:12 (KJV Strong's) I have also refuted this scripture using 1 Timothy 1:8 8 We know that the [b] law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made NOT for the RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, And going by Romans 7:12,its possible that NO one can keep the law of moses....Or can U? 15 Christ ended the law with its many commands and rules. Ephesians 2:15 It's as simple as it is . Priesthood changed from Levi to Christ . A type of Melchizedek. The tithe collector!U didnt answer the question...The law also changed bro...And yet U accuse me of evasion Sorry bro...Melchizedek is no tithe collector! That's wat U want to believe because U are also a tithe collector! I explained this above. . Christ is our circumcision,justification righteousness. We attain that by salvation. But that doesn't take away the moral value of Gods kingdomDo i have a feeling that U are trying to challenge what was written by Paul? Its crystal clear...whether moral value or not....All laws have been done away with.... 15 Christ ENDED THE LAW with its MANY COMMANDS AND RULES. Ephesians 2:15a ERV 15 He rendered the Law inoperative, along with its commandments and regulations, Ephesians 2:15a ISV
Moral or not...The comparison doesn't fit The law is a unified entity that can not be shared in bits and pieces.... James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. If james said that if U stumble on one of the laws,then U are guilty of ALL...It simply means the law of moses whether moral or not moral is taken holistically! And i responded by saying U dont seek to apply a law that cannot justify U or put U right with God... A principle doesn't have to be daily . Abraham prayed only once by recordWrong bro... Abraham interceded for sodom Genesis 18:16-33 Abraham prayed to God for healing on Abimelech Genesis 20:17 Abraham prayed for a son Genesis 15:2 Don't even go there at all. All these war spoil exchange . I gave you you the references . It was tithe . And i refuted the reference with scriptures just to show that war spoils given to Melchizedek by Abraham was not the same as the one stipulated in the law... Melchizedek met Abraham.offered his refreshment,Abraham in a show of good gesture gave him a 10th of war spoils...and gave the rest to the king of Sodom....there by taking nothing with him...Simple! U Just want to make a doctrine out of this simple gesture....as if Abraham was forced or obligated to do so...smh Were there books? What books ? I knew U wud claim U said nothing like that.... U said the reason why the unspoken or mouthed revelation of the tithe to Abraham wasnt recorded was because there wasnt ENOUGH BOOKS for such documentation! Good then open a thread for that....Ur incest points, as important as they are, has no relationship with "tithe being an eternal principle" It was umbelief . He didn't wait for God.It was still an intentional Act...waiting for God isn't the point...did he do so or not? Kindly proove itLets start with Ur pre-law tithe, Which U claim was a mouthed revelation by God to Abraham...Unfortunately,nothing of such could be found in the bible...which can only mean two things:Its either U are trying to assume whats not written in the bible or Ur tithe being an eternal principle has no foundation...Hence its already dead on arrival! Current version of tithe: based on Deuteronomy 14:22-29,A tither is meant to set aside its tithe of his grain,new wine,oil,flocks and eat of his or her tithe every year...Then after every three years,U offer Ur tithe to.... the foreigners, orphans, and widows who live in your towns and levites Unfortunately,there is no levite but Most churches today have made the pastor or minister as a levite and am wondering where they came up with such scripture that gives a pastor or minister the grounds to be a levite! And where is it stated that tithe must be of an income when the bible stated clearly that it was of farm produce... Can U now see the error associated with today's tither's pattern of tithing? U dont even obey the tithe that U are applying but run to malachi to justify ur tithe payments  |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 5:01am On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1:Well then U have done a bad job if that was ur intention What reference can you provide that they had booksI have none...and U also cant prove there was no books to make such accounts or records... The income for the ministers in the Old Testament was tithes and offerings . So kindly don't add to it. If Paul' used it as illustration,let it speak for itself Okay lets analyze that scripture 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Surely you know that those who work at the Temple get their food from the Temple. This refers to the levites and priest of the levitical priesthood... And those who serve at the altar get part of what is offered at the altar. This also refers to the altar where burnt offerings and sin offering were done according to the law of moses.. 14 It is the same with those who have the work of telling the Good News. The Lord has commanded that those who tell the Good News should get their living from this work. This is where U or any one who preaches the good news is SUPPORTED for ur work.... There was no minister in the OT just priests and levites....U are meant to be supported financially for preaching the word! A vow is just a statement of commitment. National pledge is a vow . But it was handed down from generations . Its like someone vows . "Lord if you save me from this trouble ,I will serve you" that doesn't mean he wouldn't serve him if there had not been trouble .Jacob made a Vow not for the world but for himself...It has no effect on anyone... Genesis 28:20-21 Then Jacob made a VOW, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21 so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord will be my God How does this selfish vow from jacob have an effect on new covenant believers and how is it a basis for believers to tithe? Was every detail documented ?Of course Abraham prayed and transferred the prayer principle to the next generation isaac How many time did Abraham pray?Abraham interceded for sodom Genesis 18:16-33 Abraham prayed to God for healing on Abimelech Genesis 20:17 Abraham prayed for a son Genesis 15:2 This is just the ones i can remember...there are others... That is utter rubbish . If God says Abraham gave tithe . Leave it like that ok. It didn't say Levi gave war spoil in Abraham ....And it will be foolhardy snd deceptive of U to say that Abraham tithed when he actually didnt...that same scripture says he gave melkezedek a 10th and gave the rest to the king of sodom...does that sound or look like tithe to U? Did he tithe of his possessions or use others possession as tithe to Melchizedek? Was he under an obligation to offer the war spoils to Melchizedek? If there is any one who is making an utter rubbish,its U....making preposterous and unfounded claims that God mouthed a tithe revelation to Abraham that wasn't found in the bible but was revealed only to YOU....what sort of deception and manipulation is that? Hope you saw the highlight. "TITHE "A 10th of war spoils of which he gave the rest to king Melchizedek ... This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.Was there an obligation or law stipulating that Abraham gives a 10th of war spoils to Melchizedek? Did he give a 10th of his possession or that of his people? How far will you go to change Gids holy word brother . I'm sure if you have your way you would call 8% .I never did...its ur knowledge of that scripture that is preventing U from understanding that Abraham never tithed....he never did because tithe was never in existence before the law...If it was,then prove that Abraham was actually obeying a laid down law wen he offered a 10th of the plunder to Melchizedek? There was proof of the covenant of circumcision,there was proof of burnt offering,why is it so hard for U to prove that there was actually a law or principle called tithe that abraham was actually obeying wen he met Melchizedek? I asked U before and U went about explaining how abraham was given a revelation to tithe....
The desecration of scripture actually started wen U said Abraham received a mouthed revelation to tithe the war spoils to Melchizedek... Making such shameless assumptions were enough reasons not to engage U in a sensible discus but i was willing to play along hoping U would come to Ur senses.... Melchizedek being a king was enough reasons why such incidence sud have been graced with a laid down law to further claim that Abraham was indeed tithing... Instead U rendered Ur tithe beliefs baseless and empty by saying that there was not book that recorded the part where a mouthed revelation mas made to abraham....Unbelievable And yet U accuse me of desecrating Scriptures...U gat Jokes bro Read the scripture below and repent pls .A tither whose tithe principles are based on an unfounded scripture in the bible is asking me to repent? The fact still remains that Abraham never tithed..... was never under any obligation to tithe... wasnt following any principle or laid down law to tithe He only gave war spoils in exchange for the kind gesture from the king Melchizedek... The batton is on U to prove that Abraham was actually doing so based on a laid down law or principle... Tithes was the major discuss. The man big so tey he received tithes from Abraham and blessed him.Melchizedek first offered food and wine,then blessed Abraham before abraham offer him a 10th of the war spoils.... It never was because tithe was never a laid down law during the time of abraham... Your assumption. Prove it.Simply because there was no laid down law obligating him to do so... If there is please show me.. They were primarily a nation of farmers just as Nigeria was an oil producing nation . That doesn't mean that's all they produce. I've proven that to all viewers .Before oil was discovered in nigeria,the nation was an agrarian country and still is to this time.... The law of moses was specific as to what was to be tithed by the people of israel....farm produce and cattle herd...! Money was used wen the distance was too far....hence it was used to buy any thing the tither's heart desired even wine 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. He gave from his posession . The king already gave them to him . He gave tithe first to the priest and return the rest .Did he take the rest is the argument...If he didnt,the he was under no obligation to tithe.... There was actually no intention to meet the king... he only went to rescue his cousin lot and came back with war spoils....are U implying that believers must go to war before they can offer their tithe to a priest? Is it a YES OR A NO? You're wrong. A giving cannot take the place of another . Honoring God cannot take the place of honoring parents.This scripture supports my claim... Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Benevolence knows no distinction....It must be given to any one as U have been led by Ur heart...the personality is not important as long as U are a generous giver,God will always delight in U....2 Corinthians 9:6-7 That's only a kind of giving .Not just any kind of giving...its based on LOVE....any giving that is based on what U will get only breeds greed...the heart of a generous giver please God....! The point I wanted you to see as against your kalo kalo error. Is that nothing is wrong in giving with expectation. It's of faith to give with expectation of increase .Giving that attaches an expectation only breeds greed and anxiety which causes to the sower to sow "sparingly".... Giving generously makes U feel at ease knowing that some one is blessed by ur generosity...expectation or not! After-all U have been blessed to be a blessing... It's a principle . Abraham knows this , Jacob and Esau knows this .esau? U don start? Please dont make me shed tears while laughing ohh...Abraham mouthed revelation never finish,U want bring esau into the equation Maybe Ur next revelation might be that he gave a 10th of his porridge to jacob abi.. Define Principle:An accepted or professed rule of action or conduct So where was the rule to tithe written before the law? Grace refers to Gods blessing or ability in a man. Samson Strenth was a grace . Solomon wisdom was a grace . That's what I meant . Not dispensation of grace but abilitythere was no "unmerited favor" to tithe in malachi.... Tithe was an obligation and a must for the people of Israel....its either U do it or face the wrath of God! The ability to tithe comes from obeying the instructions to tithe which unfortunately is not the case in most churches today... That reminds me . I'm waiting for references on the books they used . Maybe I missed it.Bro dont try to run from ur writings nah... U claimed there was no book to record the events where God mouthed the revelation of tithe to abraham...Just saying its alone makes it look so funny ...see How U are trying to belittle the bible and by extension God just because of tithes....Abraham's mouthed revelation on tithe Mal 3 should be ok for now U didnt see deutronomy 14:22-29 U no see deutronomy 26 or Numbers 18:20... U only saw malachi 3 and called it grace of tithing....and U said am the one desecrating the scriptures... What you call the law of Christ is only a section of the law of Moses .There are similarities but the law of christ is far superior cos its founded on better promises and it draws us closer to God..Thats why it is a new law The real law of Christ is a nature . It's not even a law . It's life .Bro that scripture has spoken...Its a law...deal wit it or go form Ur own bible and make Ur own laws.... |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 5:14am On Feb 03, 2017 |
Aren't you wasting your time brother-tithers are stuck in the stone age-they haven't yet come fully over to Christ. Tithers are still in the Old Testament under the Mosaic law system. "Moses law". Don't get me wrong brother you are correct in word and in truth. Tithers remind me of the Jehovah Witnesses they will never agree with you, they will always find ways to twist and turn the Word Of God. They don't understand the Word, the way you understand it, because bro they never asked the Lord to do so. This is the bottom line bro-Jesus said you can't worship two masters at the same time, you will either hate the one and love the other-or be devoted to the one, and despise the other. God and Mammon. openmine: |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 5:23am On Feb 03, 2017 |
brocab:bro U are right but petra1 and other tithers have erroneously misled most believers to tithe....manipulating dem by offering dem blessings unimaginable... and wat was needed was their tithe every month.... I don't even see it as a competition but a platform to let believers know that tithing no longer exists..The most shocking aspect is a tither saying Abraham had a mouthed revelation about tithe... fraudulence at its pick..good morning brocab |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 6:03am On Feb 03, 2017 |
Good morning to you brother, it is 3-10 pm my time. Bro you are doing such a great job-but to honest people aren't looking for long sentences, long pages of scriptures, people are looking to get straight to the point, tithers remind me of the Jehovah Witnesses. It doesn't matter how many scriptures you have proven to them about tithing, tithing was never about money-nor in Israel the Jews tithe today, Tithers aren't any better then any other religion who truly don't believe in the truth about Christ. You received the truth because you asked-They haven't yet asked-and like many other religions they will try anything to turn the Word Of God around against itself. Tithers are different bro, they seek after their riches and kingdoms on earth, they have a % they believe is the way into the kingdom of God. We non tithers seek first the word of God our riches is the kingdom of God. If we were to tithe like Abraham, then we need to tithe like that little old lady, Jesus talks about given two copper coins. "All" Can I tag along side you brother, and work as a team back to back. openmine: 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 9:51am On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1: brocab:The old lady didnt even tithe, what she made was a donation to the temple treasury What the lady gave to the temple treasury was not tithing, it was a cheerful giving made under no compulsion fuelled by faith in a God know as the Jehovah Jireh, God her Provider. Jesus didnt see her giving as tithe, and neither called it tithe It is a remarkable coincidence that Petra1/joagbaje has admitted and accepted that tithing is not mandatory It must be hailed as a milestone for Petra1/joagbaje to conceed that tithing is not required by law nor is it compulsory. This honesty and blunt admittance is admirable - despite his ill-informed opinions on tithing, he is totally honest about tithing not being mandatory or compulsory. The issue of tithing, is just like the law of gravity which is not mandatory for flying, moreso if in this case, when applying a higher law, of the likes of the law of aerodynamics is in operation We all know the law of aerodynamics nullifies the law of gravity and makes it inoperative as when the law of aerodynamics is in operation, the law of gravity is not working nor has no effect. This is exactly what is going on with the law of sin and death (e.g. tithing etcetera) and the law of Spirit (e.g. cheerful giving under no compulsion etcetera) - the latter nullifies the former 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Zikkyy2: 1:17pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1: Galatians 5:19-21 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 5: 1 "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife." Even pagans knew! |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Zikkyy2: 1:24pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1: OMGGGG!  This is new. Melchizedek a.k.a. "the tithe collector" |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Zikkyy2: 1:42pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1: Regarding the issue of ownership, you may want to consider Genesis 14:24....... "24I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me—to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share.” if we say Abraham had right to the goods, he did not give a tenth to Melchizedek as "sole owner" of the spoils of war. Aner, Eshkol and Mamre had stake in the spoils. So Abraham gave tithe on behalf of himself, Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Now i was of the view these other guys did not know the Almighty. |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Zikkyy2: 1:44pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
openmine: You are doing a job keeping petra1 in check. Keep it up 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 2:24pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
Zikkyy2:Bro zikky longest time....where have U been? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 5:53pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
If you are going to preach to me at least let us correct the word, Hmm It shows you didn't understand my quote I wrote to openmine, it wasn't actually about a tithe-if you understood it clearly-you would have read "all" which of course isn't a tithe, but that doesn't matter. Do I answer this, or do I not? I am happy you understand the difference between tithing and giving.. {Mark 12:41-44} Jesus made a point by saying, the rich gave into the treasury out from their wealth-while the little old lady gave out from her poverty, she gave "all" she had to live on. Jesus made another point by saying, this poor widow has put in more, then all those, who have given into the treasury. MuffleyLaff you need to understand giving "all" isn't just giving a small donation, Jesus said the rich gave from their wealth-notice Jesus didn't say the rich gave "all" of their wealth-this is, what is, called a donation. Notice it was the little old lady who was remembered of her good deed, and God loves a cheerful giver. Abraham tithed to the high priest once only because it was a custom to do so-and he gave "all" what was left to the kings from the spoils of war that didn't belonged to him. Abraham's tithing career had finished once and for "all". {2 Corinthians 9:7} Let each one do just as he had resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsions because God loves a cheerful giver. Which of course cheerful given has nothing to do with today's % tithing. And good on petra1, but he is still trying to prove the tithing lie still exist otherwise. He still believes he is under the law of Moses "Mosaic law system" So lets pray he will ask the Lord and the Spirit of God will fill his heart with all truth. And with of the other things you have written, its not to late to get of the drugs. JW... MuttleyLaff: |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 5:57pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
openmine: That's not nice I have none...and U also cant prove there was no books to make such accounts or records... Not too smart to criticize without a fact . Try Goggle . It make you appear at least a little smart . Information was documented by verbal transmission before stone hetching , to skin hides ,scrolls ,paper, computers . Tablets pc. Virtual documentation. Okay lets analyze that scripture 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 And were they not ministers of the terbernacle and temple ? It's parallel. Besides there had been incidence where non terbernacle minister like prophets have received offerings instead of priests 2 Kings 4:42 (KJV) 42 And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat. [quote-2Jacob made a Vow not for the world but for himself...It has no effect on anyone...[/quote] A vow made on an existing principle . If he had decided to fast as a vow . It's because fasting was an existing principle . Of course Abraham prayed and transferred the prayer principle to the next generation isaac You agree for that one . More credit for you ...And it will be foolhardy snd deceptive of U to say that Abraham tithed when he actually didnt...that same scripture says he gave melkezedek a 10th 10th ,tithe ,10% is all the same dude does that sound or look like tithe to U? People are watching you Bro. Hebrews 7:6 (KJV) But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham . . .
Fight of conscience .  you could have said he never prayed either. He just yarn. . .imagine a prayerless man trying to rubish Abraham prayer as non existent. Just to suit his conscienceBefore oil was discovered in nigeria,the nation was an agrarian country and still is to this time.... Perishable things were not accepted . Unclean animals were not accepted . They gave money value as tithes . Secondly , they tithed on gains . Luke 18:12 (KJV) 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Luke 18:12 (AMPC) 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain. Luke 18:12 (NLT) 12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’ Money was used wen the distance was too far....hence it was used to buy any thing the tither's heart desired even wine That's only a second tithe that is shared . They had 3 kinds of tithes which I posted in my previous posts Is it a YES OR A NO?That's scripture .if you can't listen to the principle there . What more can I say “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ We give to God several ways . By free will,tithes,offering ,alms , or to brethren and man of God. Or special projects But one kind of giving doesn't replace the other Benevolence knows no distinction... Scripture Not just any kind of giving...its based on LOVE....any giving that is based on what U will get only breeds greed...the heart of a generous giver please God....! Every giving must be given with a right heart. Willingly ,cheerfully . It's not a New Testament revelation to replace forceful . . . 1 Chronicles 29:14 (KJV) 14 But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee. Giving that attaches an expectation only breeds greed and anxiety which causes to sower to sow "sparingly".... Scriptures pls not your church teaching . All the scripture given says otherwise. It's of faith to have expectation. Luke 6:38 (KJV) 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure. . . 2 Corinthians 9:6 (NLT) 6 Remember this—a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop. But the one who plants generously will get a generous crop. [qoute]there was no "unmerited favor" to tithe in malachi....[/quote] Let's leave it there then. Maybe another day Tithe was an obligation and a must for the people of Israel....its either U do it or face the wrath of God! A curse is simply the absence of a blessing. Same parallel . Give bountiful ,receive bountifully ,give sparingly receive sparingly. Give receive. Etc The ability to tithe comes from obeying the instructions to tithe which unfortunately is not the case in most churches today... Never speak for another man |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by plainbibletruth: 6:29pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
TODAY'S TITHER 1. Today’s tithing as pushed by TITHERS AND CHURCHES is fraudulent and mischievous. 2. The Malachi tithe was one and the same as that found in the Law of Moses. 3. NOTHING in the Law of Moses on tithing specified MONETARY TITHING. 4. ONLY AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE were tithed. 5. Changing WHAT, WHERE & WHO to pay tithe to by today’s churches means TWISTING the word of God for selfish gain. 6. None of those who push tithing can show that the Apostles practiced it nor the early church generations that followed them. 7. When they are cornered by explanation of Malachi passage they resort to “Kingdom Principles” or “Eternal Principles” – phrases they cannot explain. 8. Today’s tithers claim to be under the New Covenant yet they REFUSE to follow anything in the BLUEPRINT for the New Covenant – the epistles which actually explains what the SHADOW of the Old Covenant represented. 9. Instead they ‘copy and paste’ from here and there to soothe their consciences, even where it is against God’s clear mandate. As long as they like it or they think they are getting ‘results’ they justify their position. 10. Majority of today’s tithers do it because of any of the following: - Fear instilled in them by pastors. - Claims that some benefit comes from it. - Pressure of one form or the other - Lack of knowledge of the Christian life in the New Covenant. 11. Under the New Covenant EVERY CHRISTIAN is a priest (1 Peter 2: 5, 9) PASTORS only hold different position BECAUSE of their SPIRITUAL GIFTS. Therefore even if – and that’s a big ‘if’ for that matter – tithing were to be applied to the church, all PRIESTS should be partakers of it. 12. Tithers of today have CLOSED their eyes to how the church gave and administered what believers gave as stated in the Bible. NONE of them follow their example, NONE. How come? "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5: 1 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 9:31pm On Feb 03, 2017 |
petra1:Really? Not too smart to criticize without a fact . Try Goggle . It make you appear at least a little smart . Information was documented by verbal transmission before stone hetching , to skin hides ,scrolls ,paper, computers . Tablets pc. Virtual documentation.bro petra1 dont make me laugh...Google? What was written in the bible sud be sufficient for Us...whether a scroll was missing is not the important thing... If what U said cannot be extracted from the bible then Ur tithe teachings are simply riddled with falsehood and deception...dont add to what the bible says... Saying that Abraham received a mouthed revelation about tithe yet such wasn't written or can not be found in the bible only make people think U concocted such scripture just to insert the statement that "tithe is an eternal principle"....what a joke and that's Ur lofty proof of tithing?...ooh please.. And were they not ministers of the terbernacle and temple ? It's parallel. Besides there had been incidence where non terbernacle minister like prophets have received offerings instead of priestsOnce again there is no relationship whatsoever with what is discussed and the scripture U put forward... I think 1 cor 9:13-14 is crystal clear as to where U belong in the illustration.... There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel... Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling? Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there? The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!! 1 cor 9:14 In the same way , the Lord has prescribed that those who preach the gospel [/b]should [b]earn their living by the gospel. A vow made on an existing principle . If he had decided to fast as a vow . It's because fasting was an existing principle .Like i asked U before now,where is that existing principle stated in the bible? Do U mean the "mouthed revelation to Abraham" which the writer wasn't able to record because "some books were missing" according to U? How is it possible that Abraham and Isaac Burnt offerings were recorded, The circumcision was recorded too,but the "tithe principle" was not recorded because according to Bro petra1,the scroll or book finish? Or was the writer then against the tithe principle? You agree for that one . More credit for youThats what a principle should be....Abraham prayed more than once...Isaac also prayed...jacob prayed...This principle was handed from generation to generation with biblical evidence...Where then is ur proof that tithe is an eternal principle before the law? 10th ,tithe ,10% is all the same dudeNo dude...don't get it twisted...Abraham was not under any obligation to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle... If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!! Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge the tithe indeed came before the law! People are watching you Bro. cheesy cheesy cheesyWhat defines the usage of a term in the bible? Like i said,a term in the bible must have a principle or laid down laws backing it...If not such person is doing so based on his own volition or Free-will! Same applies to Abraham! For instance,Abraham committed adultery...but there was no law prohibiting him from such act...hence,it wasn't counted as a sin against him! Romans 5:13 Abraham was not under any obligation whatsoever to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle... If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!! Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law! Abraham prayed and prayed and prayed to God....and scripture after scripture testified to that... But where was the scripture supporting Ur principle claim that Abraham tithed? Aside Genesis 14,which proof can U offer,before the law, to prove Ur claim? Abraham was not under any obligation whatsoever to offer the war spoils or was obeying any laid down principle...! If U think am wrong,prove that tithe is an eternal principle that was practiced before Abraham met Melchizedek!! Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law! Perishable things were not accepted . Unclean animals were not accepted . They gave money value as tithes . Secondly , they tithed on gains .Based on the requirements to tithe,such illustration falls short of the tithe required.... The scripture u presented was an parable of a gullible man who tithed from his possession....which according to the law of moses is wrong! Even Jesus knew that U only tithe from farm produce.. Matthew 23:23aJesus knew that tithe according to the law was on farm produce and cattle herds..... He only used the parable to expose the folly and ignorance of a gullible man who wanted to show he was more righteous than the tax collector...! The law of moses on tithe was clear...from crops and cattle herds...money was used when the distance to the place God has prepared was far way..Deuteronomy 14:22-29 Thats Good so in other words,U also recognize that one of the tithes must be eaten by the tither abi? That's scripture .if you can't listen to the principle there . What more can I sayI asked u a simple question....check the question and come back with a YES or NO response...Thanks! We give to God several ways . By free will, tithes ,offering ,alms , or to brethren and man of God. Or special projects But one kind of giving doesn't replace the otherWhen are U going to realize that tithe can never free-will... U don't give what is required....Its paid...Its an obligation....U don't have an option..and its contained in the law! Can U freely give Ur school fees? Please show me in any scripture in the bible where TITHE was FREELY GIVEN without any condition or requirement attached to it!! And once again..No..giving to a minister or special projects or alms or free-will are based on one's own volition...As U have been led by ur generous heart.... Every believer must imbibe the "gift of giving"...It doesn't matter who or for what purpose but it must be based on a decided heart and a generous spirit 2 Corinthians 9:7 Scripture2 Corinthians 8 2 Corinthians 9:6-15 1 timothy 6:18:19 Acts 4:32-35 1 Chronicles 29:14 (KJV)As much as i understand this scripture U quoted,Don't U think a clearer and better illustration should be extracted from the letters to the churches by Paul since they were the early Christians? Scriptures pls not your church teaching . All the scripture given says otherwise. It's of faith to have expectation.2 Corinthians 9:6 which U quoted explains it well.... Generous-liberal in giving or sharing, willing to give money, help, kindness,especially more than is usual or expected The next verse confirms my theory about giving....2 cor 9:7 True giving is based on LOVE....God first demonstrated that Love in Giving... For God so LOVED the World That he GAVE his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him will no perish but have everlasting life John 3:16 The motive behind GIVING is important...Expectation is secondary! Let's leave it there then. Maybe another dayI will keep insisting that there is no "unmerited favor" in tithing... Even the Malachi U quoted says nothing about "grace in tithing" It is an obligation and a requirement.... A curse is simply the absence of a blessing. Same parallel . Give bountiful ,receive bountifully ,give sparingly receive sparingly. Give receive. EtcThe curse of not tithing in Malachi 3 proves my argument....Its an obligation... U don't tithe bountifully,Or sparingly Tithe is a Tithe...based on the law of Moses,it was a requirement and a must for the people of Israel And just like other laws of Moses,its a must and those under it were obligated...failure to do so attracted a punishment or curse..Simple! Never speak for another manIts there in the bible...Can U honestly say that U eat Ur tithes? If U tithe and don't go by its instructions in the bible,then whats the essence of tithing in the first place? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 12:28am On Feb 04, 2017 |
Well said bro" keep this up and hopefully one tither may believe we were never part of the old Jewish Mosaic Laws. It only takes one ex-tither to turn a nation of tithers around, slowly but surely all we can do-is keeping on spreading the truth about Christ, our tither brothers and sisters need saving just as Christ saved us from Satan's greatest deception. Well done. Tithers need to find it written in the bible where Jesus said we can't serve two masters-we will hate the one and love the other-or we will be devoted to the one and despise the other. God and Mammon. plainbibletruth: |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 1:12am On Feb 04, 2017 |
petra1:Have I now petra1:I'll tell you what is carnal. Any believer practising tithing is carnal On top of carnal, such believer carrying on tithing is sinful, as has missed the mark petra1:It might be one of the least but it is regularly giving and eagerly sought after petra1:You're getting carried away with self conceit If not for Jacob, God is not and was never into the measly 10% fraction anyway petra1:Thats like going back to one's vomit. Why anyway, would God, except if an Israelite, demand tithe from you or anyone else? petra1:The lands and cars or people giving millions arent as regular as tithe-money giving though are they? petra1:The pennies makes the pounds, the kobos makes the nairas. Lets cut to the chase, what you've just called ''common 10%'' is what you previously said is needed for paying the utility bills, salaries etcetera petra1:C'mon, it's the tithe money that is maintaining the plane, paying for the hangar etcetera |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 1:13am On Feb 04, 2017 |
brocab:If it wasn't actually about a tithe, why then did you bother use the t-word I wasnt preaching to you, I was for the benefit of all reading, just ''weeding out'' you using tithe for the donation the poor widow made brocab:Beware of 38And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces, 39And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: 40Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. The Poor Widow 41And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. 42And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 43And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: 44For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living - Mark 12:38-44 KJV If you REALLY did understand the widow narration clearly, you would have known that the widow narration actually started from Mark 12:38-40 with Mark 12:40 being the heart of the narration before continuing on to Mark 12:41-44 Now the question, you want to ask yourself, is this: #1 Where from, do you suppose the widow learned to drop ALL her money into the treasury box? #2 Who would you suspect has been teaching the widow to drop ALL her money into the treasury box? #3 Do you see a pattern how it is done then and how it's done now? brocab:  You want to show big momma how to suck eggs brocab:Jesus was not teaching about dropping ALL into a collection box but was making an observational statement where he expressed an opinion or belief to the effect that quality and not quantity mattered According to Jesus, the widow's mite might be too small in quantity, it however, is big in quality brocab:Where in regards to the widow's donation have I used ''small'' ? brocab, you need to understand you are copying the tithe-marketeers' tithing special modus operandi Tithe-marketeers build a doctrine on tithing by quoting scriptures out of context, and you too, now are trying to build a doctrine on ''all'' based on the widow narrative so then, have you started handing in ''all' your money yet if not yet, when are you going to start handing in your ''all''? brocab:Donation noun: donation; plural noun: donations - something that is given to a charity, a cause etcetera, especially a sum of money Need I write more brocab:Exactly God loves a cheerful giver, the old lady decided in her heart how much she will drop into the treasury box, and so cheerfully and without any regrets donated her widow's mite brocab:Please the brocab:And Jehoash said to the priests, All the money of the dedicated things that is brought into the house of the LORD, even the money of every one that passeth the account, the money that every man is set at, and all the money that cometh into any man's heart to bring into the house of the LORD - 2 Kings 12:4 KJV 2 Corinthians 9:7 is a rehash of 2 Kings 12:4 As a matter of truth, 2 Corinthians 9:7 is a 2 Kings 12:4 rebirth brocab:At the moment, he has no choice as you seriously arent expecting him to go against the CE flow on tithing brocab:For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death - Romans 8:2 If so, then that will be like a case of someone airborne in a plane believing he/she is under the law of gravity and not realising the law of aerodynamics hath made him/her free from the law of gravity brocab:and what is the meaning of this your cryptic or coded sentence which you and only you understands |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Goshen360(m): 1:18am On Feb 04, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: A standing ovation to you! |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 5:56am On Feb 04, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: You write and behave like trustman Pointless and redundant. I can as well say, Hello Trustman |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 6:23am On Feb 04, 2017 |
Goshen360: Coming from a man who said 1. Melchizedek is dead 2. Was born of parents just that it wasn't recorded. 3.etc #WehdoneSir |
| Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 6:30am On Feb 04, 2017 |
LambanoPeace: Here.. Let me help you, I see he's trying to con you of the truth. I wrote this almost 4 years ago... I was actually schooling Zikkyy (who sadly didn't learn) Zikkyy: https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/16#18543280 |
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