abbeyty:
keeping giving your hard earn money to those your overfed pastors in the name of tithe while some of you can't help your neighbors who are really in need of help

Now, that's one of the ways to pay tithe!!!

Sibrah:
That verse you quoted ends with "These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone". It tells you tithe is a must because you are not suppose to leave the others(tithe inclusive) undone.

Until Jesus Christ FULFILLED the law by His death and resurrection.
Not so?
Moreover, the tithe in Matthew was also of farm products i.e. never money just as exhaustively explained in Deuteronomy 14.
Not so?

CecyAdrian:


Why?

What Jesus was saying that verse is that they were not paying enough attention to those other things. That doesn't make tithe any less important than they were treating it. Re-read Mathew 23:23 again please.

addizzle:
Is good to pay ur tithe...I think d reason dy prefer Malachi to Deu is simply because Malachi hits d nail on d head better....wat do u think

they prefer it cos with that chapter and verse u won't be able to question whar ur tithe is being used for bt I think the tight is meant for d poor in the church but most pastors are not poor I wonder why they keep it all to dem selves and from what I read tight should b paid monthly or yearly Not every sundays besides they do collect money for financing the church which is different from tight it self

dyabman:
Make una just dey carry another person headache about just to justify your confused soul about TITHE.

How old are you?

DeKen:

Numbers 18:21-30Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 “Behold, I have given the Levites all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle). 22 The Israelites shall never again approach the Tent of Meeting [the covered sanctuary, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies], or they [who do] will incur sin and die. 23 Only the Levites shall perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle), and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that the Levites shall have no inheritance [of land] among the children of Israel. 24 But the tithe of the Israelites, which they present as an offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, ‘They shall [a]have no inheritance among the children of Israel.’”

The pastors that collect tithe, are they descendants of levites? Even Jesus Christ is not a descendants of levites. Most of these pastors have many businesses on the side that breeds money for them. Some have schools, hospitals, factories, companies and oil wells, going by the scripture you quoted up there, are they supposed to do all that?

seguno2:


Until Jesus Christ FULFILLED the law by His death and resurrection.
Not so?
Moreover, the tithe in Matthew was also of farm products i.e. never money just as exhaustively explained in Deuteronomy 14.
Not so?

Money can be exchanged for farm produce. This means you can pay tithe with either depending on which is best.

kolaish:
YES OF COURSE, I TYPED IT ON CAPITAL TO SHOUT IT/EMPHASIZE ON IT. STOP BRINGING ISSUES OF TITHE AND PAY MORE ATTENTION TO MORE SERIOUS ISSUES. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MORE THAN ENOUGH IN D PAST BY NAIRALANDERS.

Maybe pastors and imams should stop discussing the Bible and Koran since they have been "discussed more than enough in the past" by Christians and Muslims.
Not so?

Sibrah:
Money can be exchanged for farm produce. This means you can pay tithe with either depending on which is best.

.....as explained in Deuteronomy 14?

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:

25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:

26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

CecyAdrian:


Was there anywhere in those scriptures you quoted it was stated that we should pay tithe to them?? Definitely those who preach the gospel are entitled to anything given for the gospel, be it offering or gift. But are we supposed to pay tithe to them?

But you have already discussed this with someone concerning the portion Matthew 23:23 where Jesus in making reference to it emphasizes other things being more important but didn't condemn the tithe.

Who ever wants to do or not do anything he/she likes or does not like can always have a reason to do so.

King44:
they prefer it cos with that chapter and verse u won't be able to question whar ur tithe is being used for bt I think the tight is meant for d poor in the church but most pastors are not poor I wonder why they keep it all to dem selves and from what I read tight should b paid monthly or yearly Not every sundays besides they do collect money for financing the church which is different from tight it self

Exactly, they collect money from members for everything in the church! If generator is faulty, members contribute to repair it not forgetting that they contributed to buy it. The roof leaks, same thing. For a the church building, members contribute. If a pastor visits, members contribute for his welfare, so what do they do with the tithes they deman and also offerings!!

These people keep playing mind games with their members

ndcide:
Stingy people.

Naturally, human beings find it difficult to give. Giving is painful that's why it should be a thing done with love.

God gave his only son. What can you give to God.

It is in giving that you receive. No man receive anything except it is given him.

The world don't want those who are children of God to have anything. They don't want the church to be rich,

You see Christians are now rich. They are able to own media houses which helps is spreading the gospel. Diluting the effects of evil programs from the media house.

The enemy stole the schools. Immorality was planted. God helped the Christians, they now own schools cultism and other vices are finding it difficult to thrive.

Christian are building industries.

The enemy has found the way to attack this.

THE OBJECTIVE : TO TAKE WEALTH AWAY FROM CHRISTIANS.

When they question every form of giving, they stop giving, then wealth is taken away. They think it's the pastors that are poor. NO!!!!!!!.

They question why we should give to build churches etc. When we don't build churches, the devil will build demonic and sin camps.

The enemy knows the truth and desperately wants this wealth exchange.

WHEN I HAPPENS, JUST LIKE THE STORY OF THE PHILISTINES AND THE ISRAELITE WHO WENT TO SHARPEN THEIR SWORDS IN THE CAMP OF THE ENEMY.

Christians do not allow the devil succeed with wealth exchange through anti giving campaigns.

A word is enough for the wise.

So much emotions and sentiments in your post. stick to the topic, paying of tithe, is tithe biblical or not. If yes, prove it.
Have you read the book of Deuteronomy chapter 14.? And why would pastors not preach that but stick to Malachi which was not even addressing Christians in the first place?

Your rantings are unnecessary, it shows low level of intelligence and ability to think rationally .

petra1:


No you're wrong . There were 2 major tithes in Israel . Actually 3 . But majorly 2 . The first one is the yearly tithes Which goes to the priesthood esclusively every year. While the other is every 3 years . And also the tithes that is eaten in a feast is different from the tithes given to God .

Deuteronomy 14:22
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Numbers 18:21
21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Leviticus 27:30
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

The second one is every 3 years which is shared .

Deuteronomy 14:28
28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

The third one is for family to cover for the feast expenses or so . I will double check on this . The tithes that is eaten in a feast is different from the tithes given to God

I met an Indian who is a Buddhist and his wife a Muslim. He told me he got interested in the two religions (Christianity and Islam) and studied them. From his personal understanding he said, Christians do misinterpret the Bible likewise Muslims.

The particular question he asked me was, "Why do Christians read only a single verse and try to derive meaning from it when the verse is actually a point in context of the whole chapter or book?" He said, that way meanings are lost in translation or translation easily deviated from the context of the book or Chapter.

He said, if he where to be a pastor, he will never preach without reading to the congregation the entire book and giving a brief history of the book to properly deliver a message in context. I understand with him and subsequently in my private studies of the bible, it makes more sense to read the entire chapter and even the previous chapters and know the history of the book i am studying.

My point for the long epilogue is that, when you quote a single verse to buttress a point, the point will always be a myopic one. Those verses you quoted, read the entire chapter and you will understand it differently than reading only a verse.

Now the Op made a lot of sense because the Book of Deuteronomy is a book of sermons delivered to the people of Israel by Moses on their way to the promised land while Malachi is a prophetic book of the prophet Malachi whose actual author is still debated. Tithing was extensively described in the Book of Deuteronomy and by extension Moses. One would expect that when tithe is to be preached, Deuteronomy is more suitable as main readings and Malachi as supporting readings but thats not the case. Most pastors preach tithing with Malachi 3:10 which gives a convenient summary to tithing. I have never heard a pastor preach with the entire Deuteronomy 14 which is more detailed.

You quoted a lot of verses among which is Deut 14:28

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

The mistake you make is 28 and 29 are both a single sentence which should be read together. Besides it says that Year's produce not those years produce, so it means only 1 year! The title is for Levites as well as fatherless, widows and foreigners. I marked red the word inheritance for you to take note since you mentioned Numbers 18:21

21 As for the tribe of Levi, your relatives, I will compensate them for their service in the Tabernacle. Instead of an allotment of land, I will give them the tithes from the entire land of Israel.

Sometimes, reading other versions of the bible makes one understand better. This verse does not mean that a tenth will be given in this case and another tenth to the widows, fatherless or forerigners as described in Deut 14:29

Deut 14:22 says

22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.

However the next verse says to eat it.

23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.

If I ask anyone to read Duet 14:22 without 23, he will definitely misunderstand so i am misleading him. Same with 28 and 29.
The final questions are, how many tithes are there? Or how many tenth's are we to remove? You said 2 abi na 3? If its 2 tenths thats 20%, if its 3 tenths then thats 30%. So what are we discussing?

kolaish:
YES OF COURSE, I TYPED IT ON CAPITAL TO SHOUT IT/EMPHASIZE ON IT. STOP BRINGING ISSUES OF TITHE AND PAY MORE ATTENTION TO MORE SERIOUS ISSUES. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MORE THAN ENOUGH IN D PAST BY NAIRALANDERS.

why are you so pained? if to educate more people to see the truth about tithe is your frustration, then you have just started, the truth cannot be hidden for long

DeKen:

But you have already discussed this with someone concerning the portion Matthew 23:23 where Jesus in making reference to it emphasizes other things being more important but didn't condemn the tithe.

Who ever wants to do or not do anything he/she likes or does not like can always have a reason to do so.

He did not condemn it, but he in his own way made us to understand that it was not important, even if we are supposed to pay the tithe, these men of God that demand for it are they descendants of Levi?

DeKen:

1 Corinthians 9:7-14New International Version (NIV)

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[a] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

This is not different from what Deuteronomy and Malachi recommended for the old Levite priests- eat/ have enough to live with from the tithes of the other Israelites since they must not work and have no inheritance/land.
Is that the case with the penterascal pastors who own property and pass them to their children?

ilynem:

Exactly. Jesus condemned the manner it was paid but never said it was wrong to pay it. Two different things.

she didn't say it was wrong to pay it but the only issue is how it is been paid

adanny01:


I met an Indian who is a Buddhist and his wife a Muslim. He told me he got interested in the two religions (Christianity and Islam) and studied them. From his personal understanding he said, Christians do misinterpret the Bible likewise Muslims.

The particular question he asked me was, "Why do Christians read only a single verse and try to derive meaning from it when the verse is actually a point in context of the whole chapter or book?" He said, that way meanings are lost in translation or translation easily deviated from the context of the book or Chapter.

He said, if he where to be a pastor, he will never preach without reading to the congregation the entire book and giving a brief history of the book to properly deliver a message in context. I understand with him and subsequently in my private studies of the bible, it makes more sense to read the entire chapter and even the previous chapters and know the history of the book i am studying.

My point for the long epilogue is that, when you quote a single verse to buttress a point, the point will always be a myopic one. Those verses you quoted, read the entire chapter and you will understand it differently than reading only a verse.

Now the Op made a lot of sense because the Book of Deuteronomy is a book of sermons delivered to the people of Israel by Moses on their way to the promised land while Malachi is a prophetic book of the prophet Malachi whose actual author is still debated. Tithing was extensively described in the Book of Deuteronomy and by extension Moses. One would expect that when tithe is to be preached, Deuteronomy is more suitable as main readings and Malachi as supporting readings but thats not the case. Most pastors preach tithing with Malachi 3:10 which gives a convenient summary to tithing. I have never heard a pastor preach with the entire Deuteronomy 14 which is more detailed.

You quoted a lot of verses among which is Deut 14:28,29


The mistake you make is 28 and 29 are both a single sentence which should be read together. Besides it says that Year's produce not those years produce, so it means only 1 year! The title is for Levites as well as fatherless, widows and foreigners.

Deut 14:22 says

However the next verse says to eat it.



The final questions are, how many tithes are there? Or how many tenth's are we to remove? You said 2 abi na 3? If its 2 tenths thats 20%, if its 3 tenths then thats 30%. So what are we discussing?

Hahahahahahahaha, Master, I hail ooooo please ask him.

Yes jesus acknowledge it and even corrected the best way to do it,my question;this happen before his death,does his death that abolished the law of daily offering in the temple also abolished tithing?

ilynem:

Exactly. Jesus condemned the manner it was paid but never said it was wrong to pay it. Two different things.

When God established the tithe he said it was to be 10% of Israel’s AGRICULTURAL produce. There was MONEY in use then but God still specified it as farm produce. In fact under certain conditions God allowed that they could TURN THEIR TITHE into MONEY (i.e. convert the tithe into money by selling them), take the money to where they are to tithe and use the money to buy back the tithe items for observance of the tithe. NO MONEY was used in TITHING!

Leviticus 27:30-33 ESV

“Every tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the trees, is the Lord's; it is holy to the Lord. If a man wishes to redeem some of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it. And every tithe of herds and flocks, every tenth animal of all that pass under the herdsman's staff, shall be holy to the Lord. One shall not differentiate between good or bad, neither shall he make a substitute for it; and if he does substitute for it, then both it and the substitute shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.”

So, if you must tithe, do it God’s way as clearly prescribed in his Word. Failure to follow God’s clearly laid down procedure is tantamount to DISOBEDIENCE!

Obvious.

With Deuteronomy, they can't easily manipulate it for personal monetary gains and acquisitions.

Malachi is to a pastor what a slot machine is to a gambler.

seguno2:


.....as explained in Deuteronomy 14?

Good point, but that doesn't mean the pastors only or even get their money from tithes. There is the prophet's seed.

CecyAdrian:
Exactly, they collect money from members for everything in the church! If generator is faulty, members contribute to repair it not forgetting that they contributed to buy it. The roof leaks, same thing. For a the church building, members contribute. If a pastor visits, members contribute for his welfare, so what do they do with the tithes and offerings!!

Buy private jets and other luxury lifestyle items instead of providing subsidised education and health care as the oyinbo missionaries did to liberate many of us after leaving the comfort of their own western countries.

Sibrah:
What Jesus was saying that verse is that they were not paying enough attention to those other things. That doesn't make tithe any less important than they were treating it. Re-read Mathew 23:23 again please.

Are we supposed to pay tithe to all these pastors who are not even of Levi or we are to give to the poor, widows and less privileged in the society

Sibrah:
Good point, but that doesn't mean the pastors only or even get their money from tithes. There is the prophet's seed.

Who is a prophet?
What criteria are used to determine if a person is a prophet?
Where is the prophet's seed required in the Bible?
Just a few questions.

plainbibletruth:
When God established the tithe he said it was to be 10% of Israel’s AGRICULTURAL produce. There was MONEY in use then but God still specified it as farm produce. In fact under certain conditions God allowed that they could TURN THEIR TITHE into MONEY (i.e. convert the tithe into money by selling them), take the money to where they are to tithe and use the money to buy back the tithe items for observance of the tithe. NO MONEY was used in TITHING!



So, if you must tithe, do it God’s way as clearly prescribed in his Word. Failure to follow God’s clearly laid down procedure is tantamount to DISOBEDIENCE!

Word!

CecyAdrian:


He did not condemn it, but he in his own way made us to understand that it was not important, even if we are supposed to pay the tithe, these men of God that demand for it are they descendants of Levi?

Luke 11:42 But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice
and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

The emphasis I see here is that all are equally important. I understand the use of the phrase "These you ought to have done" to imply that you need to do. Do you have a contrary meaning to this?

Zenlife:
Obvious.

With Deuteronomy, they can't easily manipulate it for personal monetary gains and acquisitions.

Malachi is to a pastor what a slot machine is to a gambler.

Are you comparing our pastors to gamblers?
Take ya time oh.
Lol.

Talking about gambling reminds me of the fake annual prophecies from the charlatans in cassock.

DeKen:

Luke 11:42 But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice
and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

The emphasis I see here is that all are equally important. I understand the use of the phrase "These you ought to have done" to imply that you need to do. Do you have a contrary meaning to this?

Was Luke 11:42 before or after the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ to FULFILL the law?

plainbibletruth:
When God established the tithe he said it was to be 10% of Israel’s AGRICULTURAL produce. There was MONEY in use then but God still specified it as farm produce. In fact under certain conditions God allowed that they could TURN THEIR TITHE into MONEY (i.e. convert the tithe into money by selling them), take the money to where they are to tithe and use the money to buy back the tithe items for observance of the tithe. NO MONEY was used in TITHING!



So, if you must tithe, do it God’s way as clearly prescribed in his Word. Failure to follow God’s clearly laid down procedure is tantamount to DISOBEDIENCE!

I particularly have no problem with money as tithe as theste days most people dont have agriicultural produce so it only make sence to use money. However, Deut 14: 24-26 says

24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

So we can use money to buy whatever and use those items as tithe as described.

Movingcoil:

Oga stop confusing yourself with all these under law and not under law. Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, Job paid tithe also, they were obeying God and during their days there were no law, law started during the era of moses. Don't use because of the attitude of the gullible multitude to disobey God period. I was using this law thing as a defence to my stupidity until I understood well.

Didnt Moses come before Job ??
Was Abrahams tithe his income ??

BushWickBill:
You lie sir.
Where did you get this piece of horse dung from?

I got it from farm land sir