thorpido:
Your opinion

Scholar8200:
indeed! one out of millions. Negligible, isnt it.

frosbel2:


You will be surpised about how many other millions even billions reject this facade including the Jews

Scholar8200:
changes nothing

frosbel2:

11. Jesus Christ is not GOD , he was a MAN who was called by God and did not need to be brought into the world through a bogus virgin birth

frosbel2:


Well a Myth can be believed by horde of church people but it does not negate the fact that it is a Myth, indeed the truth does not usually win popularity contests -

Scholar8200:
indeed! one out of millions. Negligible, isnt it.

MrMontella:
even from the early days of christianity...
Christian sects didnt believe this...

Like the ebionites

Scholar8200:
the ebionites are not Christians. there tenets contradicts Matthew 16:17-19 hence they are not built on the Rock. Infact, their stance on Jesus is more Islamic than Christian.

MrMontella:

your opinion bro...
Islam didnt even exist until centuries after their beginning.

bfeet:


Just wondering, where did you get your information about Jesus? From the bible or some other source?

MrMontella:
even from the early days of christianity...
Christian sects didnt believe this...

Like the ebionites

Scholar8200:
Indeed, my opinion in perfect alignment with the Truth. I did not say they were muslims either. That statement was used to show how un-Christian they were. Besides, it is apparent that they were a neo-Gnostic movement denounced by both Paul and John the beloved, in their epistles. References are available on request

frosbel2:


Bible.

Scholar8200:
indeed! one out of millions. Negligible, isnt it.

jonbellion:
I wonder how people believe that their life is centred around a Jewish deity and his son that is also him
They were created to kiss his ass and kiss his ass they will

MrMontella:

thats new..
Before you bring biblical verses...i'd like to remind you that there are christians here on this forum who reject paul..eg oraoloye..so you'd have to prove accepting paul's doctrines is what makes one a christian

2)some books of the bible possibly hadnt been written before the ebionites started existing..

3)the bible was not compiled until centuries after their existence..and some ''scriptures'' in existence then are lost to us now

4)denying jesus as being god does not make one a non-christian...that belief is ludicrous and lacking in evidence

5)the available evidence points to paul not believing/having an idea of a virgin birth..but believing in a literal birth
etc

having all these in mind...
I would love to see those references

Scholar8200:
Second charge falsely pressed!

In any case, the 12 that were with Jesus from the beginning of His earthly ministry accepted Paul's ministry. That is enough for me.

No problem, they are seemingly ascetic gnostics in another shade. Besides, the movement started in the early [u]Christian[/u]era so your position covets historical proof

The ones we have suffice. Besides, some 'lost' but founds show errors that is disclaimed on all sides. Since the others are not here, shall we use the ones available to us?

Read Matthew 16:17-19 deny His Deity and what you have left is a waste of time.

Prove it!

I will come back to your request but we need to clear the above.

MrMontella:

sorry!


1) so says paul..nothing heard from the apostles themselves..

2)it is recorded that they were at ends on doctrinal views..


like second peter andtimothy..most scholars accept dates later than the first century

not really fair
but ok

there's really nothing tangible there..
David was called a son of God
psalm 2:7 and many others


The apostle Paul says that Jesus "was born of the
seed of David" (Romans 1:3). Here the word "seed"
is literally in the Greek "sperma." This same Greek
word is translated in other verses as "descendant
(s)" or "offspring."...which means physical descendants...or as paul put it according to the flesh

okay..

Sch:In any case, the 12 that were with Jesus from the beginning of His earthly ministry accepted Paul's ministry. That is enough for me.

Mmt:1) so says paul..nothing heard from the apostles themselves..

2)it is recorded that they were at ends on doctrinal views..

Sch:No problem, they are seemingly ascetic gnostics in another shade. Besides, the movement started in the early [u]Christian[/u]era so your position covets historical proof
Mmt:like second peter andtimothy..most scholars accept dates later than the first century

Sch:Read Matthew 16:17-19 deny His Deity and what you have left is a waste of time.
there's really nothing tangible there..
Mmt:David was called a son of God
psalm 2:7 and many others

Prove it!
The apostle Paul says that Jesus "was born of the
seed of David" (Romans 1:3). Here the word "seed"
is literally in the Greek "sperma." This same Greek
word is translated in other verses as "descendant
(s)" or "offspring."...which means physical descendants...or as paul put it according to the flesh

frosbel2:
1. God is not a MAN that procreates with mankind
2. To suggest that the Holiest of all Spirits impregnated a woman is laughable if not downright madness.
3. It requires sperm and egg to fertilize into a Zygote and form a human, God does not work against nature
4. The notion that God was born through a woman and knew NOTHING till he came of age is bordering on lunacy
5. God is not a MAN - Numbers 23:19
6. Not one of the disciples mentioned a virgin birth including Paul
7. The prophetical reference in the gospel of Matthew to Isaiah 7:14 about a virgin birth is a forced fabrication
8. The earliest and most original of all gospels which is Mark never mentioned a virgin birth, Matthew and Luke gospels added to and plagiarized from the gospel of Mark
9. The mere thought that Mary was preserved from original sin is silly in itself
10. The virgin birth as mentioned in the bible is only found in Matthew and Luke who funny enough contradict each other.
11. Jesus Christ is not GOD , he was a MAN who was called by God and did not need to be brought into the world through a bogus virgin birth

brian2019:
I agree with your conclusions. Its good to know that I am not alone. :-)

I am presently studying this through. I need your help. Can you share your understanding of what actually happened, step by step, especially the meaning of "... put her away privily" (Matt. 1:19).