legendte:
The unstable dude again.

Watch him come up with another topic to contradict himself.

I can summarise the dude in a sentence.
He is more like a light boat in a stormy ocean, always dancing to the tune of the wave. He likes to be seen as correct.
Just a populist for the wrong reason.

TonyeBarcanista:

The position of GO is relative. As long as he is the Head of Management or Board, the law applies to him. Being a Spiritual head is not same as head of leadership, but most GOs are both spiritual and leadership/management heads.

They can keep their spiritual heads, but not management head. That's what the law says.

Beside, I thought the Head of the Church is Christ? Am I missing something?

TonyeBarcanista:

The position of GO is relative. As long as he is the Head of Management or Board, the law applies to him. Being a Spiritual head is not same as head of leadership, but most GOs are both spiritual and leadership/management heads.

They can keep their spiritual heads, but not management head. That's what the law says.

Beside, I thought the Head of the Church is Christ? Am I missing something?

TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista

One thing about this country is that we are usually dishonest, emotional and sentimental with ourselves over issues that has to do with religion and the State. I shall speak on the controversy surrounding the former National Overseer of Redeemed Christian Church of God, Pastor Eunuch Adeboye, the Federal Reporting Council of Nigeria governing code for not-for-profit organisations, the suspension of the code, and the unfortunate sack of Dr. Jim Obazee.

1. The NGO Governance Code Has Court Legitimization:
The code was enacted in 2015 to regulate NGOs in the country, including Church and Mosques. I don't believe it was targeted at any individual, religion or sect.

During its enactment and hearing, a group of Pastors including those from Adeboye's RCCG and other Pentecostal Churches went to federal high court, Lagos to challenge the suit in July, 2015. on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Honourable Justice Buba dismissed the suit and upheld that the plaintiffs had no locus standi to challenge the suit. The ruling thereafter gave the Council the legitimacy to implement the code.
http://www.barbaric.com.ng/frcn-enact-governance-codes-ngos/

2. On The Provisions Of The Code
I have heard people larment that the code was meant to stifle Christianity and the Church, but on scanning through the provisions of the code, I am yet to see where they get such Idea from.

Firstly, the code does not spare any organisation or sect that is registered as NGO. It does excused Islam/Mosque, neither does it specify a particular sect, religion or church. Even charity organisations are subject to the code as long as they are registered as NGO in Nigeria according to our laws.

Secondly, on the provision of the code, the code simply mandates Chief Executives, organisational heads, founders, General Overseer etc of NGOs to a specified term in office and not to create a sense of "ownership" of their organisations by them. It made it clear that relatives and spouses of organisation heads should not "inherit" the respective organisation under any guise. It allows for accountability to the organisation/members by the heads of the NGOs, as well as mandates financial accountability to the government.

What Is Wrong With The FRCN Good Governance Code For NGOs?
Why should a not-for-profit organisation head wish to "own" the organisation by staying in office without term limit? Why should there not be succession plan in Non-governmental organisation, including churches and mosques? Why should an NGO be inherited by spouse and relatives? What is wrong with Churches and Mosques being accountable to their members and donors, as well as to the government, paying taxes where applicable should they indulge in profit making activities? Is the Church the only group affected?

We are in a society where crises usually brew in churches after demise of founders and General Overseers simply because of lack of succession plan. We are in a society where religious bodies hide under the guise of "the Church" to engage in profit making ventures, yet refused to pay tax to the government like every for-profit organisation. We are in a society where NGO heads lavish organisational funds without accountability to anybody, yet these monies were donations, levies, offerings, tithes etc to the organisations for some purpose or the other. What is wrong with accountability to members and donors of organisation? Is this not a global practice? Will the Bill Gate Foundation donate money without asking for accountability?

What is wrong in clerics contributing to pension funds so as to ensure that their pension is protected by law after retirement? Won't this arrangement help junior pastors?

What exactly is wrong with the bill?

Why Redeemed Christian Church And Some Other Pentecostals?
Firstly, of all the NGOs that includes foundations, charities and Mosques, only Pastors from RCCG and some other Pentecostal Churches went to court to challenge the code. Is there something they are not telling the public? Fine, they exercised their right to challenge government policy, but judgement has been delivered, is it not appropriate to respect the decision and live with the regulation or approach a higher court to set aside the lower court's ruling? Why should Redeemed Church and some Pentecostal Christians see it as a personal battle?

With due respect to RCCG, the code was meant to apply not only to Pastor Adeboye or RCCG, but also to other religious organisations and their heads including Mosques. Making it appear like a personal war against the Redeemed Church or Christianity is improper and against the teachings of Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 2:13-17.

Christianity, The Church And Civil Authority:
1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,
1 Peter 2:14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.
1 Peter 2:17 Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.

That was a clear instruction to Christians by Apostle Peter. Christians have no history of resisting civil laws/codes even at the point of death during the time of the Roman rule. That was what distinguished Christians from others.

This Code is in fact aimed at sanitizing the society against abuse by so-called religious leaders and bodies. The Church must be subject to the civil authority of the State as long as it doesn't conflict with the demand of God Almighty and His Christ. This is a fact we must get used to or go to court if unsatisfied.


The Sack Of Dr Obazee Is A Bad Omen
The sack of the erstwhile boss of the FRCN may elicit cheers from religious sentimental people, but it only shows that President Buhari is leading Nigeria via sentiment and not principle. Sacking a man for doing his job after obtaining a legal victory is unfortunate and uncalled for. Appointees of government must be allowed to do their jobs without fear or favor to any group, but President Buhari and his minister of trade and investment expected appointees to only do what they ask and not what is to be done. This is unfortunate and a bad omen to leadership. Why should a policy be suspended because of a particular religion/church? Isn't the law meant to be above every individual and group? This is sad!

In conclusion, we must be aware that in sane climes like Europe, USA, UK and South Africa, such institutions (Religious and other NGOs) are well regulated, especially with respect to their finances and management. RCCG and some other churches have their branches over there and they comply with their regulations. Why should they now have problem with ours? Churches, Mosques and other NGOs are not classified under sole-proprietorship, and as such can't be said to belong to any SINGLE individual irrespective of his status or perceived status. Hence, management and finances must be regulated to reflect that.

Finally, irrespective of my Christian faith, it is my belief that sanity must be brought in our society. If Jesus could pay his tax as a male adult (according to the law) and subject himself to civil law, why not his followers?


May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria
Happy Year 2017
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Wiseandtrue:
Get it right, Its a Non Governmental Organization (NGO) therefore government have no right to meddle in their affairs.
Government self wey dey meddle have they done their duty(ies)
How have they helped the masses they are leading abeg they should face governance and do it well.
They should lead an exemplary life others will follow abi no be so

legendte:
The unstable dude again.

Watch him come up with another topic to contradict himself.

I can summarise the dude in a sentence.
He is more like a light boat in a stormy ocean, always dancing to the tune of the wave. He likes to be seen as correct.
Just a populist for the wrong reason.

melejo:
Your article makes sense at least within your level of biblical understanding but don't try to win all argument else you will flop as you're already doing. Back to the subject matter, go back and carefully study the last paragraph you posted. From the biblical perspective, you can't separate the bishop of the church from church administration. The head of the church is Jesus yes but he has apostles on earth. I've never seen or heard of a nation, not even the highly advanced nations we often copy from that has a low that goes as deep as detecting the tenureship of ecclesiastical authority. Do you know how they were appointed? If we believe the Holy Spirit appointment them then He alone determines how and when they leave. Don't bring Islam inside here because they have different modus operandi, if this law was meant to touch their way of doing things, eg changing the headship of the Muslim community from northerner to southerner, it will not work. Can you go to my village and change the headship of Amadioa whose tenure ends upon death? See, we know where the law is targeted at irrespective of who made it and I assure you it will not hold water

AZeD1:


True it's the 2nd.
The first being not believing in Biafra and the by force joining of Delta state into their proposed country.

If Jesus could pay his tax as a male adult (according to the law) and subject himself to civil law, why not his followers

Themandator:




The law is injurious to the society in the long run.......it is a disincentive to philanthropy as some who run such foundations as head would rather close them than hand them over to some other....it is unscriptural even to the Muslim nation...the sultan is the head of the Muslim community in Nigeria and if we go by the law , he will one day be asked to step down as the head of the supreme council for Islamic affairs

Wiseandtrue:
Get it right, Its a Non Governmental Organization (NGO) therefore government have no right to meddle in their affairs.
Government self wey dey meddle have they done their duty(ies)
How have they helped the masses they are leading abeg they should face governance and do it well.
They should lead an exemplary life others will follow abi no be so

TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista

One thing about this country is that we are usually dishonest, emotional and sentimental with ourselves over issues that has to do with religion and the State. I shall speak on the controversy surrounding the former National Overseer of Redeemed Christian Church of God, Pastor Eunuch Adeboye, the Federal Reporting Council of Nigeria governing code for not-for-profit organisations, the suspension of the code, and the unfortunate sack of Dr. Jim Obazee.

1. The NGO Governance Code Has Court Legitimization:
The code was enacted in 2015 to regulate NGOs in the country, including Church and Mosques. I don't believe it was targeted at any individual, religion or sect.

During its enactment and hearing, a group of Pastors including those from Adeboye's RCCG and other Pentecostal Churches went to federal high court, Lagos to challenge the suit in July, 2015. on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Honourable Justice Buba dismissed the suit and upheld that the plaintiffs had no locus standi to challenge the suit. The ruling thereafter gave the Council the legitimacy to implement the code.
http://www.barbaric.com.ng/frcn-enact-governance-codes-ngos/

2. On The Provisions Of The Code
I have heard people larment that the code was meant to stifle Christianity and the Church, but on scanning through the provisions of the code, I am yet to see where they get such Idea from.

Firstly, the code does not spare any organisation or sect that is registered as NGO. It does excused Islam/Mosque, neither does it specify a particular sect, religion or church. Even charity organisations are subject to the code as long as they are registered as NGO in Nigeria according to our laws.

Secondly, on the provision of the code, the code simply mandates Chief Executives, organisational heads, founders, General Overseer etc of NGOs to a specified term in office and not to create a sense of "ownership" of their organisations by them. It made it clear that relatives and spouses of organisation heads should not "inherit" the respective organisation under any guise. It allows for accountability to the organisation/members by the heads of the NGOs, as well as mandates financial accountability to the government.

What Is Wrong With The FRCN Good Governance Code For NGOs?
Why should a not-for-profit organisation head wish to "own" the organisation by staying in office without term limit? Why should there not be succession plan in Non-governmental organisation, including churches and mosques? Why should an NGO be inherited by spouse and relatives? What is wrong with Churches and Mosques being accountable to their members and donors, as well as to the government, paying taxes where applicable should they indulge in profit making activities? Is the Church the only group affected?

We are in a society where crises usually brew in churches after demise of founders and General Overseers simply because of lack of succession plan. We are in a society where religious bodies hide under the guise of "the Church" to engage in profit making ventures, yet refused to pay tax to the government like every for-profit organisation. We are in a society where NGO heads lavish organisational funds without accountability to anybody, yet these monies were donations, levies, offerings, tithes etc to the organisations for some purpose or the other. What is wrong with accountability to members and donors of organisation? Is this not a global practice? Will the Bill Gate Foundation donate money without asking for accountability?

What is wrong in clerics contributing to pension funds so as to ensure that their pension is protected by law after retirement? Won't this arrangement help junior pastors?

What exactly is wrong with the bill?

Why Redeemed Christian Church And Some Other Pentecostals?
Firstly, of all the NGOs that includes foundations, charities and Mosques, only Pastors from RCCG and some other Pentecostal Churches went to court to challenge the code. Is there something they are not telling the public? Fine, they exercised their right to challenge government policy, but judgement has been delivered, is it not appropriate to respect the decision and live with the regulation or approach a higher court to set aside the lower court's ruling? Why should Redeemed Church and some Pentecostal Christians see it as a personal battle?

With due respect to RCCG, the code was meant to apply not only to Pastor Adeboye or RCCG, but also to other religious organisations and their heads including Mosques. Making it appear like a personal war against the Redeemed Church or Christianity is improper and against the teachings of Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 2:13-17.

Christianity, The Church And Civil Authority:
1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,
1 Peter 2:14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.
1 Peter 2:17 Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.

That was a clear instruction to Christians by Apostle Peter. Christians have no history of resisting civil laws/codes even at the point of death during the time of the Roman rule. That was what distinguished Christians from others.

This Code is in fact aimed at sanitizing the society against abuse by so-called religious leaders and bodies. The Church must be subject to the civil authority of the State as long as it doesn't conflict with the demand of God Almighty and His Christ. This is a fact we must get used to or go to court if unsatisfied.


The Sack Of Dr Obazee Is A Bad Omen
The sack of the erstwhile boss of the FRCN may elicit cheers from religious sentimental people, but it only shows that President Buhari is leading Nigeria via sentiment and not principle. Sacking a man for doing his job after obtaining a legal victory is unfortunate and uncalled for. Appointees of government must be allowed to do their jobs without fear or favor to any group, but President Buhari and his minister of trade and investment expected appointees to only do what they ask and not what is to be done. This is unfortunate and a bad omen to leadership. Why should a policy be suspended because of a particular religion/church? Isn't the law meant to be above every individual and group? This is sad!

In conclusion, we must be aware that in sane climes like Europe, USA, UK and South Africa, such institutions (Religious and other NGOs) are well regulated, especially with respect to their finances and management. RCCG and some other churches have their branches over there and they comply with their regulations. Why should they now have problem with ours? Churches, Mosques and other NGOs are not classified under sole-proprietorship, and as such can't be said to belong to any SINGLE individual irrespective of his status or perceived status. Hence, management and finances must be regulated to reflect that.

Finally, irrespective of my Christian faith, it is my belief that sanity must be brought in our society. If Jesus could pay his tax as a male adult (according to the law) and subject himself to civil law, why not his followers?


May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria
Happy Year 2017
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martineverest:
number 1 reason is the most powerful reason.....all govts of every countries of the world regulates NGOs.

Idahosa's church became his family's business.,..his wife,children are all pastors of the church

OBAGADAFFI:
@op

You are partially wrong here.

A law cannot made without due consultation with the Parties/stakeholders involved.

And that was why CAN and co kicked against it from onset.

If i am sole sponsor of a my foundation.

if you remove me as the head of that foundation the funding automatically stops.

TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista

One thing about this country is that we are usually dishonest, emotional and sentimental with ourselves over issues that has to do with religion and the State. I shall speak on the controversy surrounding the former National Overseer of Redeemed Christian Church of God, Pastor Eunuch Adeboye, the Federal Reporting Council of Nigeria governing code for not-for-profit organisations, the suspension of the code, and the unfortunate sack of Dr. Jim Obazee.

1. The NGO Governance Code Has Court Legitimization:
The code was enacted in 2015 to regulate NGOs in the country, including Church and Mosques. I don't believe it was targeted at any individual, religion or sect.

During its enactment and hearing, a group of Pastors including those from Adeboye's RCCG and other Pentecostal Churches went to federal high court, Lagos to challenge the suit in July, 2015. on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Honourable Justice Buba dismissed the suit and upheld that the plaintiffs had no locus standi to challenge the suit. The ruling thereafter gave the Council the legitimacy to implement the code.
http://www.barbaric.com.ng/frcn-enact-governance-codes-ngos/

2. On The Provisions Of The Code
I have heard people larment that the code was meant to stifle Christianity and the Church, but on scanning through the provisions of the code, I am yet to see where they get such Idea from.

Firstly, the code does not spare any organisation or sect that is registered as NGO. It does excused Islam/Mosque, neither does it specify a particular sect, religion or church. Even charity organisations are subject to the code as long as they are registered as NGO in Nigeria according to our laws.

Secondly, on the provision of the code, the code simply mandates Chief Executives, organisational heads, founders, General Overseer etc of NGOs to a specified term in office and not to create a sense of "ownership" of their organisations by them. It made it clear that relatives and spouses of organisation heads should not "inherit" the respective organisation under any guise. It allows for accountability to the organisation/members by the heads of the NGOs, as well as mandates financial accountability to the government.

What Is Wrong With The FRCN Good Governance Code For NGOs?
Why should a not-for-profit organisation head wish to "own" the organisation by staying in office without term limit? Why should there not be succession plan in Non-governmental organisation, including churches and mosques? Why should an NGO be inherited by spouse and relatives? What is wrong with Churches and Mosques being accountable to their members and donors, as well as to the government, paying taxes where applicable should they indulge in profit making activities? Is the Church the only group affected?

We are in a society where crises usually brew in churches after demise of founders and General Overseers simply because of lack of succession plan. We are in a society where religious bodies hide under the guise of "the Church" to engage in profit making ventures, yet refused to pay tax to the government like every for-profit organisation. We are in a society where NGO heads lavish organisational funds without accountability to anybody, yet these monies were donations, levies, offerings, tithes etc to the organisations for some purpose or the other. What is wrong with accountability to members and donors of organisation? Is this not a global practice? Will the Bill Gate Foundation donate money without asking for accountability?

What is wrong in clerics contributing to pension funds so as to ensure that their pension is protected by law after retirement? Won't this arrangement help junior pastors?

What exactly is wrong with the bill?

Why Redeemed Christian Church And Some Other Pentecostals?
Firstly, of all the NGOs that includes foundations, charities and Mosques, only Pastors from RCCG and some other Pentecostal Churches went to court to challenge the code. Is there something they are not telling the public? Fine, they exercised their right to challenge government policy, but judgement has been delivered, is it not appropriate to respect the decision and live with the regulation or approach a higher court to set aside the lower court's ruling? Why should Redeemed Church and some Pentecostal Christians see it as a personal battle?

With due respect to RCCG, the code was meant to apply not only to Pastor Adeboye or RCCG, but also to other religious organisations and their heads including Mosques. Making it appear like a personal war against the Redeemed Church or Christianity is improper and against the teachings of Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 2:13-17.

Christianity, The Church And Civil Authority:
1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,
1 Peter 2:14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.
1 Peter 2:17 Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.

That was a clear instruction to Christians by Apostle Peter. Christians have no history of resisting civil laws/codes even at the point of death during the time of the Roman rule. That was what distinguished Christians from others.

This Code is in fact aimed at sanitizing the society against abuse by so-called religious leaders and bodies. The Church must be subject to the civil authority of the State as long as it doesn't conflict with the demand of God Almighty and His Christ. This is a fact we must get used to or go to court if unsatisfied.


The Sack Of Dr Obazee Is A Bad Omen
The sack of the erstwhile boss of the FRCN may elicit cheers from religious sentimental people, but it only shows that President Buhari is leading Nigeria via sentiment and not principle. Sacking a man for doing his job after obtaining a legal victory is unfortunate and uncalled for. Appointees of government must be allowed to do their jobs without fear or favor to any group, but President Buhari and his minister of trade and investment expected appointees to only do what they ask and not what is to be done. This is unfortunate and a bad omen to leadership. Why should a policy be suspended because of a particular religion/church? Isn't the law meant to be above every individual and group? This is sad!

In conclusion, we must be aware that in sane climes like Europe, USA, UK and South Africa, such institutions (Religious and other NGOs) are well regulated, especially with respect to their finances and management. RCCG and some other churches have their branches over there and they comply with their regulations. Why should they now have problem with ours? Churches, Mosques and other NGOs are not classified under sole-proprietorship, and as such can't be said to belong to any SINGLE individual irrespective of his status or perceived status. Hence, management and finances must be regulated to reflect that.

Finally, irrespective of my Christian faith, it is my belief that sanity must be brought in our society. If Jesus could pay his tax as a male adult (according to the law) and subject himself to civil law, why not his followers?


May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria
Happy Year 2017
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Wiseandtrue:
Get it right, Its a Non Governmental Organization (NGO) therefore government have no right to meddle in their affairs.
Government self wey dey meddle have they done their duty(ies)
How have they helped the masses they are leading abeg they should face governance and do it well.
They should lead an exemplary life others will follow abi no be so

2dugged:
Atheist are gonna masturbate on this thread, I hope y'all clamoring for this law will not start talking form both sides of your mouth when a Muslim cleric is also asked to step down, cos we know how things work in this country

TonyeBarcanista:
Nice to see you in the New Year, Happy New Year to you.


I await your modified comment

menxer:


Your comment presupposes Muslims are atheists or atheists are Muslims.

TonyeBarcanista:

The position of GO is relative. As long as he is the Head of Management or Board, the law applies to him. Being a Spiritual head is not same as head of leadership, but most GOs are both spiritual and leadership/management heads.

They can keep their spiritual heads, but not management head. That's what the law says.

Beside, I thought the Head of the Church is Christ? Am I missing something?

2dugged:
Atheist are gonna masturbate on this thread, I hope y'all clamoring for this law will not start talking form both sides of your mouth when a Muslim cleric is also asked to step down, cos we know how things work in this country