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Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 8:11am On Feb 18, 2017 |
themallHunt: Lol 2 sam 23 vs 15-17. 15David had a craving and said, "Oh that someone would give me water to drink from the well of Bethlehem which is by the gate!" 16So the three mighty men broke through the camp of the Philistines, and drew water from the well of Bethlehem which was by the gate, and took it and brought it to David. Nevertheless he would not drink it, but poured it out to the LORD; 17and he said, "Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this. Shall I drink the blood of the men who went in jeopardy of their lives?" Therefore he would not drink it. These things the three mighty men did.… The same David poured out water in place of blood for the lives of the men who risked their lives to get the water. It is still for life. Life is sacred. Life is important not blood. Life of human beings is what is sacred not their blood. When you understand the conversation between Jesus and the pharisees you will know that there is something called life and life is important. So if you accept blood transfusion or support accepting it you will not make eternal life hmmmm this is the first time I am hearing of this abi it is only in your bible. So refusing blood transfusion is now a criteria for eternal life. LOL I love your so called broad way. You sound angry, aggressive and frustrated. If your narrow way is full of people like you there will be so much hatred, wickedness, selfishness and sadness. SHAME SHAME SHAME Jesus Christ healed someone on sabbath which was unlawful for people to do deal with the situation. And abstaining from blood transfusion isn't biblical. SHAME ON YOU In Acts 15 it said abstain from blood and from fornication. I am aware that you people accept other fractions of blood e.g albumin, immunoglobulins, factor 9 concentrate etc. So if the bible told us to accept some fractions of blood what fractions of fornication are we to accept? #HYPOCRITES. LIAR LIAR So this is how you instill fear in people. You tell them if they accept blood transfusion they will not make eternal life. SHAME ON YOU. I think JI the predecessor I don't even know what JI means though sounds like a happy, good and peaceful person, doesn't like the death of human beings, not judgemental, doesn't tell people if they accept blood transfusion they won't make eternal life. ThIS JI SOUNDS REALLY NICE #ILOVETHESOCALLEDBROADWAY. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Nobody: 11:22pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: I dont see ur point. my analogy is quite fitting, just that you dont understand it. Secondly, you assume that any who refuse to take blood transfusion inevitably dies. Thats very wrong. Blood transfusion is a medical procedure. You cant compare a medical Doctor to a witch doctor they are not and will never be thesame thing. If you receive care and certain drugs and procedures from medical doctors you have no right to equate them to witch doctors and their concotions. Your analogy is false and deceitful. Let me ask you some questions You missed the point. the point is on his medical procedure to save life. his procedure is unscriptural just like that of the doctor was unscriptural. The questions remains: For example: you are sick, and your friend recommended a concoction mixed by a witch doctor. This mixture has worked for people having similar illness. But you refuse it cos you don't want to accept anything from demons. That's your faith. You died in that sickness. Did you die as a matyre? Did you kill yourself or died for what you believe? The Bible verses against “taking in blood” refer to eating or drinking it. What scripture extends this to blood transfusion? Taking in hard drugs is banned, but what if you inject it throught your veins, can you be accused of having taking hard drugs? Whether taking through the vein or eating it, it accomplishes the same thing. In the book Hemorrhage and Transfusion, by George W. Crile, A.M., M.D., who quotes a letter from Denys, French physician and early researcher in the field of transfusions. It says: “In performing transfusion it is nothing else than nourishing by a shorter road than ordinary—that is to say, placing in the veins blood all made in place of taking food which only turns to blood after several changes.” If the scriptures ban blood transfusion why do you allow transfusion/injection of all blood fractions while banning transfusion of whole blood? All those fractions of the primary blood components are not allowed. If you think its wrong to accept it, then dont accept it. Since permitted haemophiliac treatments require collection and storage of massive quantities of blood (up to 2,500 units for a single treatment), why does the WTS forbid JWs from storing their own blood? Why the double standard? The bible forbade blood transfusion whether for hemophiliac treatment or otherwise. Could you, as a JW, please explain to me which blood therapies you can accept, which you cannot, and why the difference?” “I am especially interested in knowing where the Bible explains which parts of the blood you may or may not accept? It's important that I understand what you are thinking and why you are prepared to die over this issue if non-blood alternatives are exhausted I ve told you. maybe you werent paying attention. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 1:20am On Feb 20, 2017 |
JMAN05: Science and technology are changing years from now we may be talking about new methods which are 100% free of complications to take over blood transfusion but till then blood transfusion will still be used to save lives. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 8:02pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
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Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 11:22pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
[quote author=themallHunt post=53898405][/quote] WHAT A GREAT DUMB BLIND! I am still ROTF grin grin grin grin grin (a) Shall I drink the blood of the men who went in jeopardy of their lives?" To you this statement shows that blood is not important but life. Why are you always in a double speak. Are you related to Donald J. T. Ah ah. (b) So the water in this instance does NOT represent the blood that then represent the life?! tongue tongue (c) So in this instance he should have taken the water, since his "life" is more important than the water? shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked Life is important. The lives of the men who risked their lives to get water. He poured water As a kind of drink offering, and acknowledgment of God's goodness in preserving the lives of his captains in so dangerous an enterprize; and to show, that he esteemed it as a sacred thing, which it was not fit for him to drink. Blood symbolises life. Will a symbol hold a higher place than what it represents? No. As far as it is life nothing takes its place in sacredness. Blood is just a symbol not the actual thing. Oh , I don't know about that, and as you rightly observed, the ancient physician knows nothing about blood transfusions, and I guess from your own earlier submissions, God did not remember to remind the apostles to prophesy Christian position with respect to blood transfusions and I sure never said the above except in reply to your abusive comments about choice of non-blood medical procedure over whole blood transfusions. But one thing I would tell you in EMMANUELLA's voice is to "use your head" So now you dont know if People who receive blood transfusion will get eternal life? So y are you certain that the biblical position is to abstain from blood transfusion. Well the bible never talked on blood transfusion. Well it wasn't God or Jesus who made the statement. It was a letter addressed to only the gentiles so it should show the Jews were already obeying the laws. The law was specific it meant do not eat blood of animals sacrificed. Paul is not omniscient since they were not practicing blood transfusion then they wouldn't have been referring to it. So People should kill themselves over nothing and you should clap for them. Whole blood is hardly ever transfused these days it is fractions of blood that is being transfused. So if you oppose peoples beliefs it's an insult? So if you say your own views about blood transfusion ban it's an abusive comment? Don't kill yourself over a belief made in 1945. Is it not the apostates, hypocrites, scribes who said it was unlawful in that instant?! If it is unlawful for people, is it also unlawful for the divine one? Is it also unlawful for our Savior? sad sad . Teacher no teach me nonsense ooo. Jesus NEVER BROKE ANY LAW. But people like said he did back in the day and you will remain one of their offsprings if you continue to accuse the eternal father of sins. Leave their camp. It's thesame pharisees like you that are saying people should hold on to the mosaic laws and interpret them wrongly as saying it includes blood transfusion. You are the person saying Jesus sinned not me. So to break a mosaic law means sinning hope you don't shave your beards because you are sinning. Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. read more. Exodus 35:2 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. Deuteronomy 5:12-15 Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 'Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. read more. From the above we see what the mosaic laws says on the Sabbath. Jesus worked on the Sabbath. He healed on the Sabbath day. He saved a life. Jesus worked wonders and miracles on sabbath. David ate consecrated bread which was unlawful according to the mosaic law cos he was hungry. Life first before anything else. Jesus broke the mosaic law on sabbath to save a life. c) I am just hearing for the first time that fornication and the law on blood are in fractions! I'm off to researching the species of humans who can be described as spiritually blind bats. Is it not your law that you can take certain fractions of blood and avoid other fractions so what fractions of fornication is allowed since the bible says abstain from both. I know you dont have an answer. When you follow a manmade law created in 1945 by illiterates you wont have an answer to simple questions. Mind you they don't drink albumin immunoglobulins or factors 9 they are given intravenously. SHAME SHAME SHAME If your life is not as important as animal blood good for you. Since you have decided to place animal blood at a higher value than your life good. My life is more important than any animal blood. I am saved by faith in Christ Jesus and by Grace. I love the so called Broadway. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:15am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:The number of blood transfusion yearly are in millions. Blood is given in fractions these days not whole blood you hardly give whole blood. Do you know you resuscitate using fluids before you use blood? Most people get to survive before even needing a blood transfusion. When you need it you need it no alternative will work.I said when you need a blood transfusion and you choose to die instead of taking it and you die you killed yourself which is sucide. You even lied to drive home your point that blood transfusion increased risk of heart disease. You didnt even read the write up you just took the heading. LIAR LIAR LET ME GIVE SOMETHING TO GLOAT ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'VE RUN OUT OF STEAM. The following arguments based on work of those who should know; Blood is a profitable business for hospitals (and the Red Cross), just like anti-retroviral drugs in the hands of big drug and pharmaceutical companies. In such instances hospitals tend to be reluctant to consider alternatives. But you would NOT know With about 2, 827 hospitals providing comprehensive bloodless medicine and surgery programs in the U.S.A, and only 127 hospitals in 31 mostly northern states of the U.S - 53 of which are only in 5 states - leaving only a few in other countries in the entire world, it is easy to see why Christians may find it challenging to get the care they want and need. If there were bloodless medicine and surgery programs in every hospital in the world, do you really think there would be anywhere near so many casualties among Christians? Of course not, because they would be getting the care we need when we need it. So there are evil people like you, who turn the word of God and it commandments upside - down and gleefully condemn any who may want to to obey them, by making sure that use whatever is in their power ridicule, oppress, deny and to cause HATE. But you would NOT know My point is there are cases where only blood transfusion will work. At least you have agreed that blood transfusion has helped people not only soldiers in war you don't have to be a soldier before blood transfusion. If soldiers are human beings other people are human beings too. The scriptures did not say blood transfusion. The scriptures have been in existence for thousands of years. Blood transfusion has been for centuries. But blood transfusion ban has been si ce 1945. So it is a man made doctrine. When it comes to saving lives you don't need what is not in the scriptures. So now blood transfusion is materialism lol. Life is very important Saying people should kill themselves over a law not in the bible is wickedness and shows you have no conscience for human life. SHAME SHAME SHAME. Not only have people died so many people have still survived. Nobody is saying technology is not helpful. There are situations when you will require blood transfusion. People have benefited from technology. You cant compare an underdeveloped country to a developed country. You die from refusal of blood transfusion doesn't guarantee you eternal life. Those dead souls had a chance to live but chose to die as a result of a man made belief. People bomb places and human beings on religious grounds so we should applaud them. No religion has a right to impose that kind of belief on anyone. Any religion that imposes a ban on a medical procedure is a false religion and a cult. They have no right to interfere with treatment which can save life. So much rubbish. So since you can't compare an underdeveloped country to a developed country, therefore sacredness of one of God's law will have to be interpreted by different countries as it suits them. So if you die from refusal of blood transfusion it doesn't guarantee you eternal life, but if you die after refusing blood transfusion you will go to heaven to live with the angels and if you live after refusing a blood transfusion you will be condemned to hellfire. S H A M E ON PHARISEES and HYPOCRITES The bloodiest star comment of the year, on behalf of all haters is..Blood is given in fractions these days not whole blood you hardly give whole blood I now return to the first paragraph where I find a typical example of inferiority complex. Our third world country people, like you, proposing different behavior for underdeveloped country Christians and developed country Christians. S-H-A-M-E ON ALL PHARISEES and HYPOCRITES |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 1:13am On Feb 22, 2017 |
BLOOD I: Very useful but NOT the Almighty Transfusions kill patients, say doctors @jeremylaurance Thursday 11 February 1999 00:02 GMT 1. BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS given routinely to tens of thousands of critically ill patients may be killing them, doctors have found. Canadian researchers have found that giving extra blood, despite its essential role in maintaining life, can cause more harm than good in those who have been thought in greatest need of it. 2. The unexpected finding, from a study of more than 800 critically ill patients, will deliver a serious blow to the idea of accident victims being stretchered into hospital with a bag of life-giving blood suspended above them. 3. Doctors had assumed that any means of boosting oxygen supply to the body's tissues in those who were seriously ill would improve their chances of survival. But the Canadian research shows that critically ill patients who received more blood were up to twice as likely to die as those who received less. 4. In Britain, an estimated 800,000 patients receive blood transfusions each year, most after routine surgery, and demand for blood is rising. Using less blood would also save costs and conserve a scarce resource. 5. The aim of a transfusion is to restore levels of haemoglobin, the oxygen- carrying constituent of red blood cells. Normal levels of haemoglobin range from 14 to 17 grams per decilitre. In the Canadian study, half of the 838 seriously unwell patients were given enough blood to raise their haemoglobin over 10 grams per decilitre, while the other half were restricted to only 7-9 grams per decilitre, half the normal level. One third of the restricted group received no blood at all. 6. On average the restricted group received three units of blood (one and a half litres) less than the unrestricted group - but more of them survived. Among patients under 55 and the less severely ill, those who received less blood (or no blood at all) were half as likely to die as those who received more. The only exceptions were patients with heart attacks and unstable angina (chest pain). 7. Dr Paul Hebert and his colleagues from the University of Ottawa say in the New England Journal of Medicine: "Our findings indicate that the use of a threshold ... as low as 7 grams of haemoglobin per decilitre ... was at least as effective as and possibly superior to a liberal transfusion strategy ... in critically ill patients." 8. It is well-known that giving too much blood or other infusions can cause heart attacks or water on the lungs because of the effort required to pump the extra liquid round the body. But the researchers found these factors could not explain the differences they found. 9. In a commentary on the findings, Wesley Ely and Gordon Bernard of the Vanderbilt School of Medicine, Nashville, say it is difficult to explain the harm caused by liberal transfusion. One possibility is that a transfusion, like a transplant, delivers a shock to the immune system. "Harmless" viruses in the blood may also be implicated. 10. They say more trials are needed to determine the best treatment for critically ill patients. "With such knowledge, more physicians will be able to adhere to the dictum `first do no harm', and we will have a surplus of blood for transfusion rather than a shortage." |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 1:42am On Feb 22, 2017 |
BLOOD II: Very useful but their are medically acceptable choices available Case Study: Transfusion-Free Leukemia Treatment The treatment of leukemia may be one of the only exceptions to the general rule at USC that all patients can be cared for bloodlessly. The effects of chemotherapy on the bone marrow are such that blood counts almost always plummet, requiring the use of blood products to keep the patient alive. Although little can be done for leukemia patients who cannot or will not accept blood transfusions, says Alexandra M. Levine, M.D., professor and chief of hematology and medical director of the USC/Norris Cancer Hospital, at USC these patients are allowed to make a choice. And that choice is respected. “Our view is that if a person for religious or other reasons will not take blood transfusions, and still understands the risk of chemotherapy, then we will be happy to help them,” says Levine. “Some have survived and some have not. But they have the choice here.” In addition, scientists are continuing to look into ways to turn even this one exception around, to be able to treat leukemia bloodlessly. And they’ve begun to find their way, least in the treatment of one condition called acute promyelocytic leukemia (APL). “There is a drug called all-transretinoic acid that often can treat APL without the need for a transfusion,” notes Dan Douer, M.D., director of the Bone Marrow Transplant Program at the USC/Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center. “We treated a Jehovah’s Witness patient with APL using an experimental intravenous form of this medication, and she entered into a complete remission for three years before relapsing.” Douer then treated the patient with another experimental drug called arsenic trioxide. Again the patient went into remission — without the need for blood products. “This is a revolution in the treatment of leukemia, because both drugs are not chemotherapy agents,” Douer says. “You can’t treat leukemia without blood products, but APL is one form of cancer that responds to this medication.” University of Southern California Transfusion-free Surgery and Patient Blood Management Program Office/General Information line: Phone: (323) 442-5261 E-mail: TFSPBMinfo@med.usc.edu |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 1:55am On Feb 22, 2017 |
BLOOD III: Medically safe but something may go fatally wrong Man, 84, Dies After Blood Transfusion Error at Brooklyn Hospital (Patients' blood is being sent elsewhere for testing while officials investigate) Officials say an 84-year-old patient died after getting a transfusion of the wrong blood type at a Brooklyn hospital. The city's Health and Hospitals Corp. said the patient died at Coney Island Hospital on June 9. The hospital's lab misidentified the patient's blood type, according to the Daily News. The state Health Department has ordered the city-run hospital to send patients' blood elsewhere for testing. In a statement, the HHC said "our deepest condolences go out to the family." According to the News, such errors typically occur in about one of every 14,000 transfusions. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 2:00am On Feb 22, 2017 |
BLOOD IV: Something may go fatally wrong even if we complied with the stringent transfusion protocol and guidelines Man dies after blood transfusion reaction A Tuen Mun Hospital patient has died after suffering a rare, major blood transfusion reaction. The 52-year-old man was admitted for a red-cell blood transfusion on January 3. After two hours of transfusion he went into shock with severe shortness of breath and a drop in blood pressure. He was transferred to the intensive care unit, and died at 2:16am today. Secretary for Food & Health Dr York Chow expressed his sincere condolences to the patient's family. He said he is concerned about the case and has instructed an independent expert panel to try every means to track down the likely contamination source, and examine the blood collection, donation and administration procedures to minimise future risks. The hospital will keep in close communication with the patient's family and render all necessary support. The case will be referred to the Coroner. The hospital has confirmed the staff conducting the transfusion complied with the stringent transfusion protocol and guidelines. It also confirmed the blood being transfused had been stored and handled properly. Laboratory tests found the Pseudomonas fluorescens bacterium in the patient's blood and the blood bag. Further tests are underway. The hospital said the case was a rare blood transfusion reaction and involved no staff or system error. It has formed an expert panel chaired by Hong Kong University Prof KY Yuen to investigate the case and submit a report to the Hospital Authority. The authority has reminded public hospitals and staff to ensure strict compliance of transfusion procedures. The Blood Transfusion Service will review blood-collection procedures, screening and dispatching, and will remind frontline staff to strictly observe transfusion guidelines and report irregularities. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 2:03am On Feb 22, 2017 |
BLOOD V: Will this happen with non blood medical management MOBARA, Japan, Dec. 21 (UPI) -- A 92-year-old woman died in Mobara, Japan, after receiving a transfusion of a wrong blood type after a nurse mixed her name with another patient. A nurse at a public hospital in the Chiba prefecture mixed up the blood type of the woman who was type O with a man with the same surname who had type A blood, the Mainichi Daily News reported. Nagao Hospital officials apologized to the woman's family, reported the case to the police and promised to ensure such a mishap would not be repeated. Hospital officials said the woman was hospitalized Dec. 17 for a broken leg and underwent surgery Friday. After the operation she was given the transfusion. Her condition subsequently worsened and she died after her internal organs failed. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 2:36am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Time to Draw the tail of the... FlirtyKaren: softwerk: newyorks: benzics: Heavance: hopefulLandlord: Long-term survival after blood transfusion. Vamvakas EC Department of Laboratory Medicine and Pathology, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota. Taswell HF Look-back investigations of populations of patients admitted to major tertiary-care hospitals in the 1980s found a 2-year posttransfusion mortality rate in excess of 50 percent. To quantify the association of blood transfusion with mortality in a more broadly based population, a cohort of all residents of a United States county who underwent transfusion in 1981 was studied. Retrospective cohort study comprised 802 county residents. Complete follow-up (until death or for 10 years) was available on 93.9 percent. The median length of survival was 95.0 (+/- 2.5) months. Twenty-four percent of patients died within 1 year after the transfusion, 30 percent within 2 years, 40 percent within 5 years, and 52 percent within 10 years. The relative risk of death within 10 years increased by 4.1 percent per unit of red cells (p < 0.0001), by 1.2 percent per unit of platelets (p = 0.0003), and by 7.3 percent per unit of fresh-frozen plasma (p = 0.0018) received in 1981, after adjustment for the effects on mortality of age, gender, and number of days of hospitalization in 1981. CONCLUSION: Receipt of a blood transfusion can be used as a descriptive epidemiologic index of morbidity in the general population, as it is independently predictive of mortality, adding to the predictive value of age, gender, and previous hospitalization. There is a dose-response relationship between the amount of blood components received and a reduction in the subsequent length of survival. However, when a county's entire population is studied, posttransfusion mortality due to underlying disease is substantially lower than that previously reported in look-back investigations. But this OP below will say Hairyrapunzel: OYA, Corn don land oo |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 7:22am On Feb 22, 2017 |
themallHunt: Bloodless surgeries are planned and mind you blood is still used in thesame bloodless surgeries but it is the patients blook here. You may need blood during emergencies unplanned emergencies. Read about the bloodless surgeries read its indications and contraindications stop the ignorance. You just like copying what you see online you just dont read or know about the procedure. So the bible told us the kind of blood to abstain from? SHAME SHAME SHAME #HYPOCRITES Where in the bible did Jesus say we should die or let our children die to uphold a mosaic law? IT IS SUCIDE DON'T GIVE EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE'S STUPIDITY. SHAME ON YOU Well I know you will not have an answer because you don't even know the bible in the first place. No argument of yours have ever come from the bible. #HYPOCRITE SINCE YOUR BIBLE HAS TOLD YOU THAT IF YOU DIE FROM REFUSAL OF TRANSFUSION YOU MAKE ETERNAL LIFE AND IF YOU LIVE FROM TAKING BLOOD TRANSFUSION YOU WILL GO TO HELL FIRE GOOD FOR YOU I WONDER THE BIBLE PASSAGE SEE FRUSTRATION WELL I REMEMBER YOU DON'T EVEN READ THE BIBLE. YOU EVEN SAID ANIMAL BLOOD IS MORE SACRED THAN YOUR LIFE. WELL IT SEEMS YOU ARE MAKING YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT. SEE YOUR WISH. IF MEN WERE GOD. LOL. PSYCHOSIS IN ACTION. LOL |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 7:44am On Feb 22, 2017 |
themallHunt: Rubbish, so they did not do for people who had hemoglobin of 1 to 6gram per decilitre and they did not do these studies for unplanned acute emergency cases. Well till they do it we will agree. And millions of people are still not having blood transfusion related reaction or death. Study from over 16 years ago and they are still using blood transfusion today in those countries. The study didn't say all people who received blood transfusion died or all people who didn't receive blood transfusion survived. And the study didn't say blood transfusion was a bad thing to be avoided. Give me a study that says it is bad and it kills everybody who accept or it kills millions receiving it yearly. Till then your argument is baseless. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 7:48am On Feb 22, 2017 |
themallHunt: The woman is 92 years sef. There are side effects in everything |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 8:01am On Feb 22, 2017 |
themallHunt: Every procedure has side effects. The side effects happen rarely. Blood transfusion doesn't kill all patients who receive it. It rarely ever kills. I know you have phobia for it don't tell me bible related bullshit |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 8:14am On Feb 22, 2017 |
themallHunt: This study is faulty because the indication of blood transfusion in the first place is not even there. And there was no comparative study on people who received non blood alternatives for thesame illnesses and the same factors. You cant just make a conclusion based on the abstract from a study. So you cannot conclude that blood transfusion is the sole cause of reduced survival rate. However, when a county's entire population is studied, posttransfusion mortality due to underlying disease is substantially lower than that previously reported in look-back investigations. So at the end of the day the researchers didn't say blood transfusion is bad. Infact in underlying disease post transfusion mortality is lower to a great extent in this study. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by Hairyrapunzel: 8:29am On Feb 22, 2017 |
themallHunt: For every fourteen thousand persons in this brooklyn hospital one person may have an error related transfusion reaction. It is very rare still. I think you have a phobia for blood transfusion and not bible based issue cos it isn't bible based in the first place. One persons reaction doesn't mean transfusion is bad. It is rare for transfusion related reaction to happen. You have still not given a study that said millions of people yearly die or have transfusion related reaction. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:47am On Feb 23, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:MMmmm, heheheehe, stop laboring.. |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:48am On Feb 23, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:This study is faulty because the indication of blood transfusion in the first place is not even there |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:49am On Feb 23, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:Every procedure has side effects |
Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:51am On Feb 23, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:There are side effects in everything |
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