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Re: Jesus did not die for our sins and neither was he our substitute by Kobojunkie: 8:49pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Wilgrea7:Wrong! What there will be are instead at lifting scripture out-of-original-context in attempts to support that which speaks contrary to that declared by God. Jesus Christ, throughout His Gospel, never in fact said He came to erase the sins of men. Contrary to that spewed in your Christian religious doctrines, Jesus Christ revealed that the onus was on the individual to turn away from doing bad, abandon their lives of disobedience to God's Law, choose to live in continuous submission to His teachings and commandments, God's Truth, until being made pure from sin by the Truth of God, and then on to everlasting goodness. |
Re: Jesus did not die for our sins and neither was he our substitute by Kobojunkie: 1:00pm On Feb 25, 2023 |
ayoku777:1. Indeed, Jesus Christ was sent to die for our sins but Jesus Christ was not a sin offering to erase our sins. He died in order to provide us a path through which we would then stop doing bad things, stop transgression God's Law, make ourselves pure by way of obedience and obtain eternal salvation as a result - Daniel 9 vs 24. Yeah, Jesus Christ died so that we might have a way to right the wrong we had initially done to God in His Old Law. (Yes, Jesus Christ came to provide this part of redemption only to the Lost sheep of Israel). 2. It is important to be clear that Atonement in Jesus Christ is not an erasure of sins much as was obtainable via the Old sin-offering and guilt-offering. No, in Jesus Christ Atonement is of personal responsibility. 3. God's Lamb Is a passover Lamb - Exodus 12 - not a sin-offering or a guilt-offering. The lamb's blood specially marks those who are set free from the curse which God placed over sinners -- defaulters of His Old Law. The Passover Lamb does not erase sins nor does He eat them. He is instead a way to redemption for those who will choose to be redeemed. |
Re: Jesus did not die for our sins and neither was he our substitute by Kobojunkie: 4:57am On Apr 23, 2023 |
Splinz:Jesus Christ was sinless does not mean He was a sin offering for you nor does it in any way mean that your sins vanished into think air as a result of His death. Jesus Christ died in order that you might have a path to redemption by which you could then pay off your sin debt to God, and be able to seek Holiness and God's righteousness as a result. |
Re: Jesus did not die for our sins and neither was he our substitute by Kobojunkie: 6:02pm On Apr 24, 2023 |
ayoku777:1. None of the verses you quoted tells you that your sins are blotted away automagically by Jesus Christ. Yes, Jesus Christ died to provide you a path to redemption but Jesus Christ was not a sin offering and so, the path to redemption of your sins you have in Jesus Christ does not purge your sins in the manner of the sin offerings of Old. 2. Jesus Christ was described as a sinless Passover lamb— the Passover lamb was not a sin offering nor a sacrifice for sins, but represented of the agreement between God and man. Exodus 12 |
Re: Jesus did not die for our sins and neither was he our substitute by Kobojunkie: 3:36pm On Apr 25, 2023 |
■ So my question is simple if God requires blood to forgive our SINs, why was he able to forgive sins without BLOOD in the ancient days up to the arrival of Jesus? Consider the following bible verses; We see that God accepted flour as a sin offering in this verse, no blood required - why? Here God is tired of all the vague, fake and meaningless offerings, he wants REPENTANCE and then he will forgive, case closed. NO BLOOD required. God forgives as long as we stop doing wrong and repent from your evil ways, again NO BLOOD SACRIFICE require, just plain repentance. Here again, God forgives, NO BLOOD required. Read Jonah 3 where God did not destroy Nineveh because the people repented. I can quote much more bible verses.You are right that God does not require blood in order to forgive sins. The doctrine that God does such is not of scripture but of the doctrines and traditions of men(pastors and mogs, along with their churches). a. — God does not need a man to forgive sins but God does need an agreement that details His terms and conditions as far as the relationship between His person and men, sin, and forgiveness(God's Law). Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the agreement/Law which God made with the sinners of Israel which details the path He has made for their redemption from the sins that weigh them down and destroy them. b.— forgiveness of sins was granted by God to those who desired and sought it from Him. Not all men did that as if made clear in scripture as many ended up cursed and scattered by God as judgment for their sins against Him. God did not provide for such a path of redemption back from the cursed state under His old agreement; God's curse against the unrighteous was meant to destroy them in the end —Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57. God's new agreement, Jesus Christ, is a path to redemption given by God to those unrighteous souls by which those of them would desire a way back to obtaining forgiveness from God and eventually having a place with the Father again. c.— The righteous of Old died had no need for Jesus Christ given they were able to attain righteousness by the standard of Old that God had given to them. Those who instead have a need for Jesus Christ are the sinners who could not attain righteousness by way of God's standard of the Old. That is why Jesus Christ said He came to call the sinners and not the righteous to Himself. As for the issue of the blood of Jesus Christ, well first, Jesus Christ was not a sin offering nor a burnt offering nor a fellowship offering. Jesus Christ was a Passover lamb. If you know anything about the Passover lamb it is that it was not offered as a sacrifice for sins but instead a marking of a new agreement. The blood of the lamb was used to mark those who were specially passed over by God's angel of Death in the past — Exodus 12— and the same applies as far as those who choose Jesus Christ, they are passed over by Death — the condemnation of sin aka Death - John 3 vs 16. d.— Jesus Christ was never meant for Africans. Instead, Jesus Christ was sent to gather back to God the Lost sheep of Israel who were cursed and scattered by God Himself to all 4 corners of the earth. So, rather than think in terms of humanity, think instead in terms of God's Lost sheep of Israel and their migration into all the corners of the earth. |
Re: Jesus did not die for our sins and neither was he our substitute by Kobojunkie: 3:49pm On Apr 26, 2023 |
■ My friend, you are unwittingly a Pagan by believing in all the myths and fables you just posted up there , that is the disadvantage of following after MEN instead of GodIndeed! |
Re: Jesus did not die for our sins and neither was he our substitute by Kobojunkie: 4:02am On Aug 04, 2023 |
truthislight:This speaks of events that took place over 1900 years ago during the last days of God's Nation of Israel(and Nation of Judah), not of Jesus Christ. |
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