Olu317:
If not because You claim to be a Yoruba , I would have insulted YOU! Even you that try to persuade me to sheathe my negative word on that uncultured animal, used a foul word on me. “How do you mean, making fool of yourself" and embarrassing Yoruba?, CAN SOMEONE REFER NEGATIVELY TO YOUR FATHER OR MOTHER WITHOUT YOU DISHING OUT NEGATIVE WORDS ON HIM OR HER? DO YOU THINK I AM IN MY IN 30s? Very before you conclude! However, I had finished up with him on my last message sent before you sent this message. But you need be weary before you send messages because every word spoken or written has multiple meanings to the listener or the reader. MY FIRST RULE IS “DON'T INSULT ME", but I chose not to insult or use vulgar words against you because of your YORUBA CLAIMED IDENTITY. Else my rains of insult come against such personality. Period!

Olu317:
If not because You claim to be a Yoruba , I would have insulted YOU! Even you that try to persuade me to sheathe my negative word on that uncultured animal, used a foul word on me. “How do you mean, making fool of yourself" and embarrassing Yoruba?, CAN SOMEONE REFER NEGATIVELY TO YOUR FATHER OR MOTHER WITHOUT YOU DISHING OUT NEGATIVE WORDS ON HIM OR HER? DO YOU THINK I AM IN MY IN 30s? Very before you conclude! However, I had finished up with him on my last message sent before you sent this message. But you need be weary before you send messages because every word spoken or written has multiple meanings to the listener or the reader. MY FIRST RULE IS “DON'T INSULT ME", but I chose not to insult or use vulgar words against you because of your YORUBA CLAIMED IDENTITY. Else my rains of insult come against such personality. Period!

vicadex07:


Lol... He isn't Yoruba, don't fall for his antics...

vicadex07:


Lol... He isn't Yoruba, don't fall for his antics...

Oduduwaa:


If you insult me trust egbon mi i will insult x20...... Wat kind of a foolish elder are you running around nairaland trowing vulgar insults around and bringing disgrace to yoruba nation.
It was you ppl who started all this the Edos didnt......STOP THIS U CLEARLY KNOW NOTHING!!

odigbosky:
Somebody here also talked about if receiving ceremonial sword from the Oba meant his Lordship over the king who received the sword. Well in today Nigeria it doesn't mean so, what it means is that the king is only trying to show the world the historical connections between both kingdoms. The present Orodje of okpe got swords from the Oba of Benin as did the new Obi of Isseluku and many other kings. Before the british came here, no body within the domain of the oba had a right to carry the Ada and Eben. It was a symbol of authority, any king who kills anybody in his land without having these swords is said to have committed murder. You can only get them from the oba of Benin, if you don't get it, it means your kingship is not recognised, and that means trouble for you. Like I said, all kingdoms in the empire. Go to owo in ondo state and see for yourself. Anywhere you go in the world and you see the Ada and Eben, know the footprints of Benin war Generals and princes have treaded those lands. I repeat anywhere. When we talk about an Organised empire we are talking about Benin that had a system of governance well organised. In all Edo state, the Oba is supreme king, no dispute about it....if the Oba had skirmishes with other enogies, it was to teach them a lesson. This we all know are features of great empires, and I can list many of these skirmishes that Edo soldiers had to put to an end. Many people will ask why then are the Benins or Edos not many compared to other tribes. The reason is simple, the Benin did not tamper with the everyday life of the conquered people, what she does is she creates a monarchy subject to Benin therefore changing the Palace life of the ruling elite there. So you have ordinary citizens been unaffected in a long term by any Benin conquest but you have a monarchy forever pointing to its Benin Lordship. This we can see up to this day even in Ekiti state and many other states where the empire once existed. So Lagos state is one of them, its only the ruling family that has special links to Benin, the rest populace are yorubas, same as the Iwerre kindom in Delta state, the Ovie of Ughelli and many more......I am not saying that we Edos are supreme to anybody, what am just saying is that we have so impacted the history of many people that you can't find a place in their folklore without the Oba of Benin or Benin in it.

odigbosky:
Somebody here also talked about if receiving ceremonial sword from the Oba meant his Lordship over the king who received the sword. Well in today Nigeria it doesn't mean so, what it means is that the king is only trying to show the world the historical connections between both kingdoms. The present Orodje of okpe got swords from the Oba of Benin as did the new Obi of Isseluku and many other kings. Before the british came here, no body within the domain of the oba had a right to carry the Ada and Eben. It was a symbol of authority, any king who kills anybody in his land without having these swords is said to have committed murder. You can only get them from the oba of Benin, if you don't get it, it means your kingship is not recognised, and that means trouble for you. Like I said, all kingdoms in the empire. [size=13pt]Go to owo in ondo state[/size] and see for yourself. Anywhere you go in the world and you see the Ada and Eben, know the footprints of Benin war Generals and princes have treaded those lands. I repeat anywhere. When we talk about an Organised empire we are talking about Benin that had a system of governance well organised. In all Edo state, the Oba is supreme king, no dispute about it....if the Oba had skirmishes with other enogies, it was to teach them a lesson. This we all know are features of great empires, and I can list many of these skirmishes that Edo soldiers had to put to an end. Many people will ask why then are the Benins or Edos not many compared to other tribes. The reason is simple, the Benin did not tamper with the everyday life of the conquered people, what she does is she creates a monarchy subject to Benin therefore changing the Palace life of the ruling elite there. So you have ordinary citizens been unaffected in a long term by any Benin conquest but you have a monarchy forever pointing to its Benin Lordship. This we can see up to this day even in [size=13pt]Ekiti state and many other states where the empire once existed. So Lagos state is one of them[/size], its only the ruling family that has special links to Benin, the rest populace are yorubas, same as the Iwerre kindom in Delta state, the Ovie of Ughelli and many more......I am not saying that we Edos are supreme to anybody, what am just saying is that we have so impacted the history of many people that you can't find a place in their folklore without the Oba of Benin or Benin in it.

Empire, according to http://www.dictionary.com/browse/empire, a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.

At its maximum extent, the empire extended from the western Ibo tribes on the shores of the Niger river, through parts of the southwestern region of Nigeria (much of present-day Ondo State, and the isolated islands (current Lagos Island and Obalende) in the coastal region of present-day Lagos State)

O0ni:


Sir, you were making a lot of sense until you got to the parts emboldened, where you started name dropping Yoruba towns.

For the record, Bini was never an empire but a kingdom.



Calling Bini an empire puts it in the league of the emboldened empires and rubbishes their history.

The traces of Bini in Owo and Ekiti was proportional exchange between these towns and Bini. These towns gave theirs to Bini and Bini gave their in return - for example, Owo gave Bini ivories and Bini gave its Eben sword and other minute stuff. The traces of Bini found in these kingdoms and that of the kingdoms found in Bini was more of proximity impact than anything else. There's no need to blow trumpets of Bini's military that is no more than Aba women Riots .

As for Lagos, Bini influence died after Gabarro. Yoruba people should be thanked for retaining some aesthetic Binis stuff as dynasty occupying the throne was started by Ilesa man and the king making process is more Yoruba and very less Bini; go figure.

You can blow the trumpets of Bini less abeg, Bini was not that serious and came late to the scheme of things in Empire building and recognized Empire in Africa.


According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire



Omo make una see Bini empire at its MAXIMUM EXTENT (POWER) at the emboldened. Ondo - the few akoko parts & isolated islands; Lagos - the Lagos island & Obalende; Ibo land - few towns in Delta and Anambra area

Compared to the Roman, Byzantine, British, French and Oyo empires this is complete rubbish

This Bini people sure now how to 'reach'. No wonder serious scholars on the international scene use Kingdom for Benin and not an empire.

opal4real:



Benin's do not worship Obatala. Ogun and Olokun are Benin gods. Oba Ewuare 1 was known as Prince Ogun before he was crowned and he was a great warrior. It will help you a lot if you do a proper research on Ife, how could Ife be 100 Yrs old before benin and Oduduwa sent one of his son's (Oromiyan) to Benin? SMH!!!
The Benin's will never claim Yoruba cos the word Yoruba is derogatory. Do a proper research on how the word Ya'riba came into existence.
The very day Awolowo disrespected Oba Akenzua that was the day he signed his death warrant and later ended up committing suicide. The Benin's wanted to unite with the yoruba's but you guys destroyed that pact by insisting on speaking yoruba in western region council of Oba's. Oba of Benin walked out and since then the western region ended up in one crises or the other. The thief and tribalistic awolowo built cocoa house at Ibadan when the major producers of cocoa were Edo and former Ondo axis. He built T.V stations with our timber and palm oil from delta and you think the benin's will ever forgive you guys?

Yoruba's will remain our son and you better deal with it.

odigbosky:
Somebody here also talked about if receiving ceremonial sword from the Oba meant his Lordship over the king who received the sword. Well in today Nigeria it doesn't mean so, what it means is that the king is only trying to show the world the historical connections between both kingdoms. The present Orodje of okpe got swords from the Oba of Benin as did the new Obi of Isseluku and many other kings. Before the british came here, no body within the domain of the oba had a right to carry the Ada and Eben. It was a symbol of authority, any king who kills anybody in his land without having these swords is said to have committed murder. You can only get them from the oba of Benin, if you don't get it, it means your kingship is not recognised, and that means trouble for you. Like I said, all kingdoms in the empire. Go to owo in ondo state and see for yourself. Anywhere you go in the world and you see the Ada and Eben, know the footprints of Benin war Generals and princes have treaded those lands. I repeat anywhere. When we talk about an Organised empire we are talking about Benin that had a system of governance well organised. In all Edo state, the Oba is supreme king, no dispute about it....if the Oba had skirmishes with other enogies, it was to teach them a lesson. This we all know are features of great empires, and I can list many of these skirmishes that Edo soldiers had to put to an end. Many people will ask why then are the Benins or Edos not many compared to other tribes. The reason is simple, the Benin did not tamper with the everyday life of the conquered people, what she does is she creates a monarchy subject to Benin therefore changing the Palace life of the ruling elite there. So you have ordinary citizens been unaffected in a long term by any Benin conquest but you have a monarchy forever pointing to its Benin Lordship. This we can see up to this day even in Ekiti state and many other states where the empire once existed. So Lagos state is one of them, its only the ruling family that has special links to Benin, the rest populace are yorubas, same as the Iwerre kindom in Delta state, the Ovie of Ughelli and many more......I am not saying that we Edos are supreme to anybody, what am just saying is that we have so impacted the history of many people that you can't find a place in their folklore without the Oba of Benin or Benin in it.

Olu317:
.. 40th OBA and 51st OONI... CLEAR AS CRYSTAL

Oduduwaa:


Thread very carefully nor let benin matter kill you and stop making a mockery of we yorubas .... Benins had 41ogisos and 40obas making it 81kings till date..... Leave argument for intelletuals and STOP DISGRACING YORUBA NATION..... U CLEARLY LACK KNOWLEDGE IN HISTORY...

Oduduwaa:


Thread very carefully nor let benin matter kill you and stop making a mockery of we yorubas .... Benins had 41ogisos and 40obas making it 81kings till date..... Leave argument for intelletuals and STOP DISGRACING YORUBA NATION..... U CLEARLY LACK KNOWLEDGE IN HISTORY...

Olu317:
It is obvious you are not a Yoruba boy but an imposter. I still decided to be open minded. And I had thought you reason along truthful path but I can see you are clearly one of the pseudointelligent..Excusé moi

Oduduwaa:


So bcus i do not mar my self in prospotrous self boasting and mediocrity that makes me not yoruba!

U are clearly Unstable and Obssesed with anytin Edo

Do not drag yoruba nation into the gutter dat u stay in

Kagawa10:


Worship Olokun, the sea. god? Do Bini have Sea to begin with? Yeye!

opal4real:



Lol!!! Do you Yoruba have Sea?

opal4real:



Lol!!! Do your Yoruba have Sea?

opal4real Benin's do not worship Obatala. Ogun and Olokun are Benin gods. Oba Ewuare 1 was known as Prince Ogun before he was crowned and he was a great warrior. It will help you a lot if you do a proper research on Ife, how could Ife be 100 Yrs old before benin and Oduduwa sent one of his son's (Oromiyan) to Benin? SMH!

O0ni:


See lack of exposure.

Yoruba do not just deify natural phenomenon without having contact or experience of it.

There's a grove in Ife, a now enclosed stangnant pool of sea that has remained for centuries and has not dried up which means it has a source underneath that sustains it.

It is believed that the spot is the source of the sea and it remains the left over spot after the sea moved or dried off of the surface of the earth.

This is the source of Olokun as a deity, Olokun worship & everything concerned with Olokun.

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The problem with the fundamentals of Bini history is tjat it lacks solid foundations. Why do I say this? Bini history did not morph independently. Rather, Bini looked at what it thinks are errors in the history of other towns it had anything with then re-structure it to project an image. In order words, Bini has no basis. Its basis is derived from what it perceives to be loopholes in the history of Yoruba which it played on.

Ogun was never a Bini deity.

All Yoruba national deities (Olokun & Ogun inclusive) are of Yoruba origins which, as usual, Bini borrowed. Bini depended on Yoruba so much for her relevance - monarchy, art, deity & now history.

To the quoted: The original Ogun was called Ogun Laadin, the first blacksmith in Ife whose tools are still in the palace, the second Ogun was Ogun lakaye who was the second blacksmith who forged war items and is much more famous than the former. After these two ogun, there were 5 more Ogun who were blacksmiths and located in different places and worshipped differently.

Overtime, Ogun became a nickname of a congnomen if you will and it reflects a person's profession or character (war-like).

After Oduduwa (odu - vessel da/u - creates/brings iwa - existence a name originally for the creation deity but was borrowed as a nickname for the first king of Ife for restructing Ife & bringing a new dawn/phase to ife), he was succeeded by Osangangan Obamakin (Founder of Olugbo throne) and then followed by Ooni Ogun a hunter/war-like king and not to be confused with Ogun the deity.

A great deal of Ooni are known by their nicknames and in most cases. Using recent Oonis as example - Ademiluyi was widely known as Ajagun, Aderemi did not pick a congnomen, Sijuade was widely known as Olubuse II and Ogunwusi is becoming more known as Ojaja II with most slowly forgetting his full name.

I would like to know the source of Ife being 100 years before Bini you mentioned. Even if it was, a number of towns in Edo claim migration from Ife, Idanre history says a group migrated with the from Ife & moved to Bini. Oranmiyan was first at Osile in present day Abeokuta. When the Bini came to beg us for help, they could not have met Oduduwa but Obalufe, the king of Ife. As no one could see Oduduwa not the people of Ife and not even outsider Bini.

Study Bini history as a stand alone history. Stop being basing it on Ife history abi Bini cannot have its own history by itself?

O0ni:


See lack of exposure.

Yoruba do not just deify natural phenomenon without having contact or experience of it.

There's a grove in Ife, a now enclosed stangnant pool of sea that has remained for centuries and has not dried up which means it has a source underneath that sustains it.

It is believed that the spot is the source of the sea and it remains the left over spot after the sea moved or dried off of the surface of the earth.

This is the source of Olokun as a deity, Olokun worship & everything concerned with Olokun.

---------------



The problem with the fundamentals of Bini history is tjat it lacks solid foundations. Why do I say this? Bini history did not morph independently. Rather, Bini looked at what it thinks are errors in the history of other towns it had anything with then re-structure it to project an image. In order words, Bini has no basis. Its basis is derived from what it perceives to be loopholes in the history of Yoruba which it played on.

Ogun was never a Bini deity.

All Yoruba national deities (Olokun & Ogun inclusive) are of Yoruba origins which, as usual, Bini borrowed. Bini depended on Yoruba so much for her relevance - monarchy, art, deity & now history.

To the quoted: The original Ogun was called Ogun Laadin, the first blacksmith in Ife whose tools are still in the palace, the second Ogun was Ogun lakaye who was the second blacksmith who forged war items and is much more famous than the former. After these two ogun, there were 5 more Ogun who were blacksmiths and located in different places and worshipped differently.

Overtime, Ogun became a nickname of a congnomen if you will and it reflects a person's profession or character (war-like).

After Oduduwa (odu - vessel da/u - creates/brings iwa - existence a name originally for the creation deity but was borrowed as a nickname for the first king of Ife for restructing Ife & bringing a new dawn/phase to ife), he was succeeded by Osangangan Obamakin (Founder of Olugbo throne) and then followed by Ooni Ogun a hunter/war-like king and not to be confused with Ogun the deity.

A great deal of Ooni are known by their nicknames and in most cases. Using recent Oonis as example - Ademiluyi was widely known as Ajagun, Aderemi did not pick a congnomen, Sijuade was widely known as Olubuse II and Ogunwusi is becoming more known as Ojaja II with most slowly forgetting his full name.

I would like to know the source of Ife being 100 years before Bini you mentioned. Even if it was, a number of towns in Edo claim migration from Ife, Idanre history says a group migrated with the from Ife & moved to Bini. Oranmiyan was first at Osile in present day Abeokuta. When the Bini came to beg us for help, they could not have met Oduduwa but Obalufe, the king of Ife. As no one could see Oduduwa not the people of Ife and not even outsider Bini.

Study Bini history as a stand alone history. Stop being basing it on Ife history abi Bini cannot have its own history by itself?

O0ni:


See lack of exposure.

Yoruba do not just deify natural phenomenon without having contact or experience of it.

There's a grove in Ife, a now enclosed stangnant pool of sea that has remained for centuries and has not dried up which means it has a source underneath that sustains it.

It is believed that the spot is the source of the sea and it remains the left over spot after the sea moved or dried off of the surface of the earth.

This is the source of Olokun as a deity, Olokun worship & everything concerned with Olokun.

---------------



The problem with the fundamentals of Bini history is tjat it lacks solid foundations. Why do I say this? Bini history did not morph independently. Rather, Bini looked at what it thinks are errors in the history of other towns it had anything with then re-structure it to project an image. Its basis is derived from what it perceives to be loopholes in the history of Yoruba which it plays on.

Ogun was never a Bini deity.

All Yoruba national deities (Olokun & Ogun inclusive) are of Yoruba origins which, as usual, Bini borrowed. Bini depended on Yoruba so much for her relevance - monarchy, art, deity & now history.

To the quoted: The original Ogun was called Ogun Laadin, the first blacksmith in Ife whose tools are still in the palace, the second Ogun was Ogun lakaye who was the second blacksmith who forged war items and is much more famous than the former. After these two ogun, there were 5 more Ogun who were blacksmiths and located in different places and worshipped differently.

Overtime, Ogun became a nickname of a congnomen if you will and it reflects a person's profession or character (war-like).

After Oduduwa (odu - vessel da/u - creates/brings iwa - existence a name originally for the creation deity but was borrowed as a nickname for the first king of Ife for restructing Ife & bringing a new dawn/phase to ife), he was succeeded by Osangangan Obamakin (Founder of Olugbo throne) and then followed by Ooni Ogun a hunter/war-like king and not to be confused with Ogun the deity.

A great deal of Ooni are known by their nicknames and in most cases. Using recent Oonis as example - Ademiluyi was widely known as Ajagun, Aderemi did not pick a congnomen, Sijuade was widely known as Olubuse II and Ogunwusi is becoming more known as Ojaja II with most slowly forgetting his full name.

I would like to know the source of Ife being 100 years before Bini you mentioned. Even if it was, a number of towns in Edo claim migration from Ife, Idanre history says a group migrated with the from Ife & moved to Bini. Oranmiyan was first at Osile in present day Abeokuta. When the Bini came to beg us for help, they could not have met Oduduwa but Obalufe, the king of Ife. As no one could see Oduduwa not the people of Ife and not even outsider Bini.

Study Bini history as a stand alone history. Stop being basing it on Ife history abi Bini cannot have its own history by itself?

opal4real:



Picture of the stagnant pool with evidence of its source or be silent forever.

BornStunner1:
[[s]quote author=O0ni post=53988308]

Lol, just state you want a photo-tour of Ife.

I hope you show us whatever is the source or is attached to Olokun in Bini.

Google Olokun festival & have fun.

Oh, see the center of the fenced pool? That is the source of the sea water that has refused to dry up for many eons, way before Ogiso, Igodomigodo, Bini or Eweka.

There are a lot of things such as this in Ife but mostly protected/kept from public.
[/s]


PHOTO OF A SWIMMING POOL HAHAHAHAHA

BENIN NEEDS NO SWIMMING POOL AS EVIDENCE LIKE D ONE U POSTED BCUS ALL THE OCEANS AND CREEKS OF NIGER DELTA WERE ONCE UNDER THE GREAT BENIN EMPIRE!

O0ni:


Oceans and creeks - then why does Benin need to use Yoruba term of 'Olokun'? Why does Bini not come up with her own Bini term for Olokun? Why does Bini have to worship Olokun using Ife method, why does Bini not have a different style of worshipping Olokun since it is about oceans and creeks.

The more you people talk the more you expose your king & yourselves as unintelligent.

O0ni:


[s]Oceans and creeks - then why does Benin need to use Yoruba term of 'Olokun'? Why does Bini not come up with her own Bini term for Olokun? Why does Bini have to worship Olokun using Ife method, why does Bini not have a different style of worshipping Olokun since it is about oceans and creeks.

The more you people talk the more you expose your king & yourselves as unintelligent.[/s]

O0ni:


Lol, just state you want a photo-tour of Ife.

I hope you show us whatever is the source or is attached to Olokun in Bini.

Google Olokun festival & have fun.

Oh, see the center of the fenced pool? That is the source of the sea water that has refused to dry up for many eons, way before Ogiso, Igodomigodo, Bini or Eweka.

There are a lot of things such as this in Ife but mostly protected/kept from public.

O0ni:


Oceans and creeks - then why does Benin need to use Yoruba term of 'Olokun'? Why does Bini not come up with her own Bini term for Olokun? Why does Bini have to worship Olokun using Ife method, why does Bini not have a different style of worshipping Olokun since it is about oceans and creeks.

The more you people talk the more you expose your king & yourselves as unintelligent.