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Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by MuttleyLaff: 10:12am On Feb 13, 2017 |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 3:52pm On Feb 13, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: They are parts of christology of the Old Testament such has been fulfilled in christ |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by plainbibletruth: 8:37pm On Feb 13, 2017 |
petra1:You know you have not really answered my questions, don't you? Is it the fact that an observance EXISTED before the Law that makes it applicable to the Church? How do you determine which "parts of christology of the Old Testament ..... has been fulfilled in Christ"? |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 10:32pm On Feb 13, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Circumcision is shadow of salvation |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by plainbibletruth: 11:46pm On Feb 13, 2017 |
petra1: Like the OP wrote: Will somebody please show me where in the New Testament we can find any of the believers paying tithes, or any of the Apostles asking for tithes? The epistles are full of discussions about giving for the support of preachers, teachers, and the poor: but no where do any of the Apostles ask for tithes or remind anyone to pay tithes. And, how can it be said that a man is not giving of necessity if he is obeying a LAW of tithing? How can it be said that a man is not giving of necessity, if he is convinced that he will be cursed with poverty if he fails to pay those tithes? Certainly, if the Apostle Paul thought he was authorized and obliged to demand tithes, he would have brought it up in 1 Corinthians chapter nine, where he asserts that he has a right to receive financial support from those he preaches to! Why doesn't Paul remind them that they are obliged to pay those tithes, and that he has a right to receive those tithes?None of you is able to answer because you've decided to blind your eyes to the plain truth. |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by Talk2nanro(m): 11:47pm On Feb 13, 2017 |
petra1:keep quiet my friend, you are just a simple thief |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by MuttleyLaff: 9:08am On Feb 14, 2017 |
UNIQUEISRAEL: plainbibletruth:Petra1 couldnt answer, so out of desperation, he tried claiming the apostles endorsed tithing and made a pitiable attempt of using 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 as evidence But we all know that 1 Corinthians 9:13-14, is credited to only Paul and no other apostle(s) And that Paul used 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 as a syncrisis, also known as synkrisis, written as a figure of speech, in where opposite things were compared (i.e. ''the altar & temple'' and ''the gospel'') The former (i.e. who work in the the altar & serve in the temple) live off tithe and stipulated offering, whilst the latter (i.e. who preach the gospel) live off financial/material support, collections & donations from benefactors according to how each have decided in their hearts to give |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 10:17am On Feb 14, 2017 |
Talk2nanro: You and your father the devil are the thief . |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by Talk2nanro(m): 11:16am On Feb 14, 2017 |
petra1:animal, imagine this beast telling you about christianity. Fool, keep deceiving yourself ,idiot |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 2:39pm On Feb 14, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Then there's no point anybody keep bringing up the issue of circumcision. |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by plainbibletruth: 5:44pm On Feb 14, 2017 |
petra1:A major premise of the "Eternal Principle" claim on tithing is that it existed before the Mosaic Law. If this argument is to stand then we need to look at ALL the practices God instituted and see how they line up with the argument. CIRCUMCISION is one of those practices that God took VERY SERIOUSLY. However, when it comes to the NEW COVENANT it is clear that the believer is NO LONGER under any such obligation. Therefore if TITHING is still to be observed under the New Covenant those of you who say so ought to be able to clearly show how it is so. Unfortunately you've been unable to do that. The conclusion we can come to then is that it is a made up claim to justify the unjustifiable. |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 6:13pm On Feb 14, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Not at all except you just refuse to see or acknowledge it. Types and shadow of Christ is seen from genesis to malachi. Christ fulfill those . He fulfilled offering for sin,he fulfilled circumvision . But he didn't fulfilled personal commitment in worshiping of God. He didn't fulfil tithing nor offering unto God . Neither did he fulfill personal prayer, so the fact that such things are mentioned in the law makes no difference . They are principles. |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by Abra4real(m): 7:23pm On Feb 14, 2017 |
UNIQUEISRAEL:Do you know that Kumuyi preaches tithing, too? I'm a member, so I know. But I don't agree with him. I even told one of my youth leaders that tithing is one of the things that will make older leaders use wheelbarrow ferry me out of church. 1 Like |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by Nobody: 9:23pm On Feb 14, 2017 |
lol Abra4real: 1 Like |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by plainbibletruth: 10:55pm On Feb 14, 2017 |
petra1:How come no TITHER teach the PRINCIPLES enunciated by these portions of Scripture?: "Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need." (Acts 2:44-45) "Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need." (Acts 4:32-35) How come none of them can SEE 'Christian Principles' from these to draw from? Could it be because these Christian Principles go way beyond the "demanded" or "self-imposed" tithing that modern day tithers have ensnared themselves with? |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 12:03am On Feb 15, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Sharing among one another Philadelphia is different from giving to God. There's difference between giving to brethren and giving to God |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by plainbibletruth: 7:41am On Feb 15, 2017 |
petra1:"The King will answer and say to them, ‘I assure you and most solemnly say to you, to the extent that you did it for one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it for Me.’ MATTHEW 25:40 AMP |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by MuttleyLaff: 8:05am On Feb 15, 2017 |
petra1:Unless there is more to it, why anyone will cling for existence to a shadow baffles me If there is shadow, then there more be a real thing Tithe is a shadow, and not the real thing Tithe is shadow of thing(s) to come... Tithing is an area of darkness, caused by light being blocked by sincere ignorance, by willful ignorance, by the allure of filthy lucre, by being ill-informed etcetera petra1:Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God--this is your true and proper worship - Romans 12:1 petra1:He DID fulfil BOTH, tithing or offering unto God Jesus is our perpetual tithe OR offering to God petra1:"The king will answer them, 'I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant [they seemed], you did for me.' - Matthew 25:40 There's NO difference between giving to brethren and giving to God because whatever you did for one of the least of the brethren, you did for Me, says Matthew 25:40 above petra1:Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commandments is what matters. - 1 Corinthians 7:19 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. - Galatians 6:15 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all - Galatians 5:2 Exactly the point. If there's no point for anybody to keep bringing up the issue of circumcision then there's no point either for anyone to keep bringing up the issue of tithing too because just like circumcision has no value, so as well ''tithing'' or ''not tithing'' have no value. ''tithing'' or ''not tithing'' is nothing, dont mean anything, what counts is the new creation you've become in Christ Jesus |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by Nobody: 3:03pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
petra1: 1. Explain external principles 2. Jesus endorsed tithing because He was under the law. Note: He paid tax but He didn't tithe because it was agricultural products according to the law. 3. The Bible recorded Paul receiving gifts from the Church to support his ministry and not tithe |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 7:45am On Feb 16, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: There are different kinds of givings in the Bible . To parents ,to the poor, to strangers ,to man of God , to brethren , to God etc. One does not supplant the other . You can't say because you gave to your parents you have given to God and you can't say because you gave yo your parents you are excused from giving to God. Mark 7:11 11 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ See , we don't try to cut corners in giving . We do all. |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by MuttleyLaff: 8:38am On Feb 16, 2017 |
petra1:In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed. - 2 Peter 2:3 You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. "For God loves a person who gives cheerfully." - 2 Corinthians 9:7 There is no distinction in all the different kinds of givings anymore, because, now, all the different kinds of givings falls under one umbrella, and that is an umbrella called cheerful giving done under no compulsion as can be seen in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above There is no special, designated or stipulated giving anymore because you're now expected to give as you're led in the spirit, expected to give any amount that you have decided in your heart done under no forcing, coercion or manipulation petra1:7Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God. 8For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.” 9Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition. 10For instance, Moses gave you this law from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’e and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death. 11But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you. (i.e. it is Corban, that is, devoted to God, so I cant give it out) 12In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. 13And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others - Mark 7:7-13 Sorry brother, you are not expected to try to cut corners in giving but you're meant to turn the corner in giving and you do all, by just doing one giving, which is: Give any amount that you have decided in your heart, has to be done under no forcing, coercion or manipulation It doesnt look good at all, reading a whole you brother, twisting and misusing Mark 7:11 like this because it is glaring that, Jesus, in Mark 7:11, was in effect saying to the Pharisees that: You say, Sorry, I can’t help you, as I have vowed to give this tithe money to God that I would have given to you.’ There is nothing like corban for believers. Tithe is not corban, especially not to a believer It is not a matter of opinion but it is an objective fact that, tithing and/or tithe money is no longer sacrosanct Tithe money, now can, ought to be and should be given to whomsoever or whatsoever is in need of it (e.g. parents, the poor, neighbour in need, good causes etcetera) |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by plainbibletruth: 11:55am On Feb 16, 2017 |
petra1: Petra, Oh Petra! Look at that Bible verse again. It was the Lord himself that made that statement. If you refuse to acknowledge and understand what the Lord himself said then no wonder that accepting our comments here has been impossible for you to do. You said " There's difference between giving to brethren and giving to God", to which I pointed you to that verse of Scripture. Jesus is clearly saying here that giving to any of his brethren is giving to him. And all you can say is " There are different kinds of givings in the Bible" Be sincere and look again at your statements in the light of that verse. Is Jesus saying there that if one gives to a brother he IS NOT giving to him? Or is it the other way round? BTW, how do you give to God? Is it ONLY through tithe? Your refusal to admit and accept that the 'NEW' has come and the 'OLD' should give way is a stumbling in your spiritual life as a Christian. |
Re: See Why Tithing Is Never A Command To Be Observed In Churches (Proofs) by petra1(m): 11:17pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Part of honoring parents is giving to them. And the Pharisees taught that once you give to God . You can leave out giving to parents . But Jesus condemned the teaching |
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