AlBaqir:



Sanad : A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn abu Nasr from abu al-Hassan al-Muwsali from abu ‘Abd Allah (as) who said the above hadith

Source : Usool Al-Kafi, Volume 1, Chapter 31,
Hadith #6

I had requested for a chain without anonymous narrators, but you still brought it. Where would I start from?! Who are "a number of our people"?

sino:


I had requested for a chain without anonymous narrators, but you still brought it. Where would I start from?! Who are "a number of our people"?

Sheik al-Kulayni designed a system in reporting and compiling ahadith.

* The phrase refers to some specific people. He used that phrase at the beginning of the chain if the narrators of that particular to him personally were many (e.g. four and above). For example, in the above hadith: " A group of our people have narrated from Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn Khalid.... This is what is written in the Introduction of al-Kafi p. 20-21 (and Mir'hatul huqqul, that is commentary of al-Kafi, by Allama Majlisi):


"Wherever al-Kulayni says, "A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid al-Barqi, the people therein are:

1. Abu al-Hassan Ali ibn Ibrahim ibn Hashim al-Qummi 2. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn ’Udhayna 3. Ahmad ibn Abd Allah ibn ’Umayya 4. Ali ibn al-Husayn al-Sa'd Abadi"


Not only the above. There are many. The list of those phrases with their names can be found in the Introduction of al-Kafi. # Attached is the scan page.

# According to 'Allamah al-Hilli, it was al-Kulayni himself who identified the narrator:

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8/2940_%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B5%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%8A/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_426

Did i see salatul fatih, Empiree come oo why salatul fatih sef.

emekaRaj:
Did i see salatul fatih, Empir.ee come oo why salatul fatih sef.

You mean the one i posted yesterday?

Empiree:
^^^^

Sounds familiar with what I read on fb this afternoon (attachment). Sheikh Habibu also said similar thing as well about importance of having guide sheikh.

But today, people don't want to serve. I understand there are fake shuyukh who only want to use you or want u to be subservient to them 100%. But this should not debar truth seekers from reaching their goal. Kidma is very important.

We also have some saying that kidma is shikr. They said this out of desires. SMH

Am talking about this. I want to know must it be salatul fatih, Wat about ibrahimiya and others

emekaRaj:


Am talking about this. I want to know must it be salatul fatih, Wat about ibrahimiya and others

The only "MUST" in Islam are OBLIGATORY practices. There are other salawat. Solati Ibrahimmiya itself is not a must but recommended

AlBaqir:


Sheik al-Kulayni designed a system in reporting and compiling ahadith.

* The phrase refers to some specific people. He used that phrase at the beginning of the chain if the narrators of that particular to him personally were many (e.g. four and above). For example, in the above hadith: " A group of our people have narrated from Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn Khalid.... This is what is written in the Introduction of al-Kafi p. 20-21 (and Mir'hatul huqqul, that is commentary of al-Kafi, by Allama Majlisi):


"Wherever al-Kulayni says, "A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid al-Barqi, the people therein are:

1. Abu al-Hassan Ali ibn Ibrahim ibn Hashim al-Qummi 2. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn ’Udhayna 3. Ahmad ibn Abd Allah ibn ’Umayya 4. Ali ibn al-Husayn al-Sa'd Abadi"


Not only the above. There are many. The list of those phrases with their names can be found in the Introduction of al-Kafi. # Attached is the scan page.

# According to 'Allamah al-Hilli, it was al-Kulayni himself who identified the narrator:

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8/2940_%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B5%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%8A/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_426

I do not want to derail this thread further, the above note, would only lead to opening a "Pandora box", but i'll just give a little hint. The follwoing is an explanation given about these unnamed narrators to Kulayni:

"However, the chain of narrators should be evaluated. If the chain turns out to be broken (i.e., one element in the chain is missing), then the tradition is considered weak in Isnad. Thus all the narrators should be named, and this is the case for the majority of Shi’i collections of traditions.

Nevertheless, there are only a number of traditions in Usul Kafi in which the last element in the chain is missing, i.e., the name of the person who reported to Kulaini in person. In stead of mentioning his name, Kulaini has used the phrase "a group of our associates". But Kulaini has mentioned all other elements in the chain.

The reason for this was that, as I mentioned, Shi’a have always been under prosecution of unjust rulers including the Abbasids. If Kulaini (ra) have mentioned the names of those who reported to him and were still alive, and if the book could have found his way to the officials, then all those reporters would have been killed. To protect them, he did not mention their names and codified it by saying "a group of our associates". However he mentioned the name of those who reported to him but died during Kulaini’s life.

But the good news is that since Kulaini knew the regulations of scrutinizing of the traditions by the Shi’a, he told some of his students how the names of the last narrators are codieifed"

The above quote is gotten from al-Islam . org, a Shi'a site... More obscurity and excuses is all I see. How are we certain that those names were actually those being referred to by Kulayni?!

You mentioned that according to Allamah Al Hili, that Al Kulayni mentioned these names himself, where and how?! It is quite interesting you are already studying on this path, hence, I am here to learn new information....

For those who have purified their hearts, and who come to know the Divine Names and Attributes to the fullest of their individual capacities, the veils in front of the purely spiritual realms are opened slightly, and they begin to gain familiarity with the unseen.

"Between God (mighty and sublime) and creation are 70,000 veils . The nearest of creatures to God (mighty and sublime) are
Gabriel , Michael , and Raphael , and between them and Him are four veils: a veil of fire, a veil of darkness, a veil of cloud, and a veil of water." [5]
This Hadith is quoted somewhat differently by
Ibn Majah as follows:
“God has seventy thousand veils of light and darkness ; if He were to remove them, the radiant splendors of His Face would burn up whoever (or ‘whatever creature’) was reached by His Gaze.”

“If your spiritual unveilings contradicts the Book and the Sunna, act upon the book and the sunna and leave off your unveiling and say to yourself, ‘Allah guaranteed infallibility in the Book and the Sunna and has not guaranteed that in spiritual unveiling and inspiration.’”

No one can ever deeply explain secret relationship between Allah and His messanger(saw).

This is gold

mr emeka
How's your battalion, you v not been sharing any with us if late
you talked about seeing some things during Ramadan but didnt share
lets got back to those and leave seeing God matter alone
pls brothers kindly share with us your mystic experiences pre and post ramadan thanks. ...

Tlake:
mr emeka

How's your battalion, you v not been sharing any with us if late

you talked about seeing some things during Ramadan but didnt share

lets got back to those and leave seeing God matter alone

pls brothers kindly share with us your mystic experiences pre and post ramadan
thanks. ...

The end

This needs to be revived. I feel more need to be learn from ikupakuti.

Empiree:
This needs to be revived. I feel more need to be learn from ikupakuti.

Yeah we need that, such is that bitter ACRIMONY the last debate brought, and needless so to say if we had put a STOP earlier.

Well, that's is life is form cyclic at time with rise to the CREST and after some time it fall back to its TROUGH. Perhaps we are in that phase of through here in this thread. But all the same we have to REVIVE this there is need for this type of section; the world of ISLAMIC IHSAN (mysticism).

Ikupakuti a call to DUTY yet one more lol... there is NEED to continue to SHARE, we wouldn't allow that ACURSED IBLIS to weaken us.

@all you are welcome to Islamic Mysticism Part II.

May Allah increase us all in faith and knowledge Amin.

Question:
What is the du`a of Sayyidina Dawud (as) and
how is it done?

Answer:
`Alaykum Salam,
Following is the Du`a and Ruqya for love and
attraction which people call Du`a of Hazrat
Dawud (upon him peace) is as follows:
1- Fast on a Thursday.

2- Thursday night wake up after midnight, make
wudu ‘, pray two rak`ats .

3- Write on a piece of paper verse 9:129
ﻓَﺈِﻥ ﺗَﻮَﻟَّﻮْﺍْ ﻓَﻘُﻞْ ﺣَﺴْﺒِﻲَ ﺍﻟﻠّﻪُ ﻻ ﺇِﻟَـﻪَ ﺇِﻻَّ ﻫُﻮَ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﺗَﻮَﻛَّﻠْﺖُ
ﻭَﻫُﻮَ ﺭَﺏُّ ﺍﻟْﻌَﺮْﺵِ ﺍﻟْﻌَﻈِﻴﻢِ

4- Recite it thirty times. Each time you recite it,
say this du`a :
ﺍﻟﻠﻬُﻢَّ ﺃَﻋْﻄِﻒْ ﻗَﻠْﺐَ ﻓُﻼﻥِ ﺑْﻦِ ﻓُﻼﻧَﺔ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ﻓُﻼﻧﺔ ﺑِﻨﺖِ ﻓُﻼﻧﺔ
Allahumma a`tif qalba Fulan(a) [name of beloved]
ibni/binti Fulana [his/her mother’s name] `ala
Fulan(a) [your name] ibni/binti Fulana [your
mother’s name].
If name of his/her mother is not known say
Hawwa’ ﺣَﻮَّﺍﺀ .

5- Wrap it up carefully and hang it on your right
arm or shoulder like a ta`wiz .
Steps 1-4 can be done by a trustworthy, pious
person other than the subject.

Anyone here used to this dua or has better explanation on it should please shed more light

Fkhalifa:

Question:
What is the du`a of Sayyidina Dawud (as) and
how is it done?

Answer:
`Alaykum Salam,
Following is the Du`a and Ruqya for love and
attraction which people call Du`a of Hazrat
Dawud (upon him peace) is as follows:
1- Fast on a Thursday.

2- Thursday night wake up after midnight, make
wudu ‘, pray two rak`ats .

3- Write on a piece of paper verse 9:129
ﻓَﺈِﻥ ﺗَﻮَﻟَّﻮْﺍْ ﻓَﻘُﻞْ ﺣَﺴْﺒِﻲَ ﺍﻟﻠّﻪُ ﻻ ﺇِﻟَـﻪَ ﺇِﻻَّ ﻫُﻮَ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﺗَﻮَﻛَّﻠْﺖُ
ﻭَﻫُﻮَ ﺭَﺏُّ ﺍﻟْﻌَﺮْﺵِ ﺍﻟْﻌَﻈِﻴﻢِ

4- Recite it thirty times. Each time you recite it,
say this du`a :
ﺍﻟﻠﻬُﻢَّ ﺃَﻋْﻄِﻒْ ﻗَﻠْﺐَ ﻓُﻼﻥِ ﺑْﻦِ ﻓُﻼﻧَﺔ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ﻓُﻼﻧﺔ ﺑِﻨﺖِ ﻓُﻼﻧﺔ
Allahumma a`tif qalba Fulan(a) [name of beloved]
ibni/binti Fulana [his/her mother’s name] `ala
Fulan(a) [your name] ibni/binti Fulana [your
mother’s name].
If name of his/her mother is not known say
Hawwa’ ﺣَﻮَّﺍﺀ .

5- Wrap it up carefully and hang it on your right
arm or shoulder like a ta`wiz .
Steps 1-4 can be done by a trustworthy, pious
person other than the subject.

Anyone here used to this dua or has better explanation on it should please shed more light

salam, pls for how long does one needs to wrap it in your arm or shoulder?

dahaz:

salam, pls for how long does one needs to wrap it in your arm or shoulder?

walaykum salam, I do not know much. But I learnt the duaa is for 40days....maybe Alfas here will bail us out.

Ifa is a Scientific and Mathematical System?

I agree with some things she said in this context especially on materialism. Watch this 6 minutes clip and give us ur thought.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zsq3FSMof8


ikupakuti

Empiree:
Ifa is a Scientific and Mathematical System?

I agree with some things she said in this context especially on materialism. Watch this 6 minutes clip and give us ur thought.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zsq3FSMof8


ikupakuti

Ofcourse, shes right on it being a mathematical (binary) system. But her submission that ifa (geomancy) originated from the yoruba was wrong. It has always been primordial.

Geomancy is rooted in astrology. The original concept of astrology is divine (scriptural). The planets & stars are only a replica of the real deal. You dont need to trail the stars/planet to study it like many people think.

Every NABI is taught the original concept of mystical astrology coz its one of the 46 fractals of prophetism.

But its a knowledge reserved for the elites. Those who inherit the scriptures & failed to measure up were forced to make do with the exoteric aspect of it, and as its is with every divinely revealed knowledge (all the devil needs to get to destroy anything good, is time), it deteriorated with time, with every community individualizing their own line of it according to custom & tradition & thats how fetishism & idolatry crept into it. Reason while the NABI (saw) didnt condemn it entirely even though the one practiced by the arabs at that time is idolatrous.

But one can always see the identical concept in all the present versions from all over the world.

M. A as a scientific & mathematical system is so powerful that the esoterics of religion is almost useless without it.

ikupakuti:


Ofcourse, shes right on it being a mathematical (binary) system. But her submission that ifa (geomancy) originated from the yoruba was wrong. It has always been primordial.

Geomancy is rooted in astrology. The original concept of astrology is divine (scriptural). The planets & stars are only a replica of the real deal. You dont need to trail the stars/planet to study it like many people think.

Every NABI is taught the original concept of mystical astrology coz its one of the 46 fractals of prophetism.

But its a knowledge reserved for the elites. Those who inherit the scriptures & failed to measure up were forced to make do with the exoteric aspect of it, and as its is with every divinely revealed knowledge (all the devil needs to get to destroy anything good, is time), it deteriorated with time, with every community individualizing their own line of it according to custom & tradition & thats how fetishism & idolatry crept into it. Reason while the NABI (saw) didnt condemn it entirely even though the one practiced by the arabs at that time is idolatrous.

But one can always see the identical concept in all the present versions from all over the world.

M. A as a scientific & mathematical system is so powerful that the esoterics of religion is almost useless without it.

Interesting. When Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla was asked by his student about similar issue (iyepe tite) he said, 'we can say it is partly haram and halal' conforming with underlined.


Now how do we reconcile this with hadith which says visiting soothsayer deprives of one's salat (from being accepted) for 40 days?. Soothsayer by general meaning according to the hadith doesn't characterize

^^^

The ‘soothsayers‘ refered to by the NABI (saw) @ that time, are idolaters, whose line of divination is inspired by the SHAYATEEN. Believing in them is believing in the SHAYATEEN & that automatically translates to disbelive in GOD.

The NABI(saw) wasnt codemning divination in that hadith but those its gotten from (since ISTIKHARA is also a form of divination).

#Divination exists in various forms. Using computerized programmes & highly sophisticated devices to forecast weather conditions, X-raying, Scanning, ailment diagnosis, exploration geophysics, radiocaborn dating are all some sort of divinations, its only the method that differ.

#They all involve revealing some hidden infos about a matter, whether past, present or futuristic.

#All what these newage methods are employed for would have been refered to the soothsayers in the days of old or through ISTIKHARA. The only downside of the method of the soothsayers is that, they rely on the DEVILS who are sworn enemies of GOD & thus cannot be trusted.

#Now should one go to a soothsayer for a weather forecast & believe him, the condition stated in that hadith will fall on him.

#Mind you, the SHAYATEEN can also or may also utilize these newage methods for divination but still, that wont change the verdict in that hadith. Since its not really about divination or the method of divination but the diviner.

INTERPRETATION OF DREAMS IS ALSO A FORM OF DIVINATION. Meaning a soothsayer will still rely on the devils for its interpretation & the verdict of that hadith will also apply.

^^^

Awesome CLARIFICATION. JazakaAllahu Khayran. Far better than outright condemnation as seen today.

ikupakuti:


Ofcourse, shes right on it being a mathematical (binary) system. But her submission that ifa (geomancy) originated from the yoruba was wrong. It has always been primordial.

Geomancy is rooted in astrology. The original concept of astrology is divine (scriptural). The planets & stars are only a replica of the real deal. You dont need to trail the stars/planet to study it like many people think.

Every NABI is taught the original concept of mystical astrology coz its one of the 46 fractals of prophetism.

But its a knowledge reserved for the elites. Those who inherit the scriptures & failed to measure up were forced to make do with the exoteric aspect of it, and as its is with every divinely revealed knowledge (all the devil needs to get to destroy anything good, is time), it deteriorated with time, with every community individualizing their own line of it according to custom & tradition & thats how fetishism & idolatry crept into it. Reason while the NABI (saw) didnt condemn it entirely even though the one practiced by the arabs at that time is idolatrous.

But one can always see the identical concept in all the present versions from all over the world.

M. A as a scientific & mathematical system is so powerful that the esoterics of religion is almost useless without it.

Uhmmmm another superb submission. Well mathematically science is indeed father of all other science, here is what somebody said about mathematics:

"Mathematical science, which is the only real science that the entire civilized world has agreed upon, furnishes unmistakable proof of history repeating itself and shows that the cycle theory, or harmonic analysis, is the only thing that we can rely upon to ascertain the future."

So ifa been subset or sort of mathematics somewhat new to me.

@ the bolded Can you please try and break the fractal further down? We know that dream is also part of 46 fractals of prophethood, so now you said M.A is also part of it. Please we'll like to KNOW remaining other component fractals.

Thanks.

ikupakuti:
^^^


The NABI(saw) wasnt codemning divination in that hadith but those its gotten from (since ISTIKHARA is also a form of divination).

#Divination exists in various forms. Using computerized programmes & highly sophisticated devices to forecast weather conditions, X-raying, Scanning, ailment diagnosis, exploration geophysics, radiocaborn dating are all some sort of divinations, its only the method that differ.


#They all involve revealing some hidden infos about a matter, whether past, present or futuristic.

So in nutshell DIVINATION is seeking to know the hidden infos.

Well, in addition, I think, NOT only going to soothsayer for seeking other hidden knowledge like weather forecasting, oil exploration but trying to know about any INDIVIDUAL PERSON'' future, as only Allah know the details of everybody MAN or WOMAN's DESTINY.

So seeking such info even with new age computerized algorithm is REPREHENSIVE in Islam, if am not mistaken.

Yoowaa! If he is back then I'm back. MASHALLAH!

LadunaI:


"Mathematical science, which is the only real science that the entire civilized world has agreed upon, furnishes unmistakable proof of history repeating itself and shows that the cycle theory, or harmonic analysis, is the only thing that we can rely upon to ascertain the future."

He lied not! If you want to unlock the secret of the universe then study the NUMBERS!

So ifa been subset or sort of mathematics somewhat new to me.

IFA is binary 0-1. e.g when they use cowries, if it opens, thats 2(0) coz the obverse is parted into 2. when it capsizes, thats 1 .

if its colanut, if it opens thats 0 (on) if it capsizes thats 1 (off).
If you check their divination chain, you‘ll notice that those flat beads are designed with an open & close marks on there obverse & reverse just like that of the cowrie/colanut.

Its just like the machine language of a computer system @ the most irreducible level of bits, which is either YES or NO, TRUE or FALSE, 0 or 1.

Please we'll like to KNOW remaining other component fractals.

The sciences of GODHOOD are all embodied in his increated words. All the fractals of prophetism are knowledge based. There is nothing to attain with proximity in GOD other than the cognizance of his essence & of his ayahs.

Whenever GOD appoints a NABI in the QURAN, he says ‘WE GAVE HIM POWER/WISDOM & KNOWLEDGE‘.

So, all the fractals of NUBUWWA are lines (courses) of a single system of KNOWLEDGE & they are all enclosed in the scripture given to them. They use these lines of KNOWLEDGE to get the best out of it.

M.A is a term. This fractal deals with the esoterics of “SPACETIME“. There are those of “CHEMISTRY“ “PHYSICS“ “QUANTUM“ etc of all these, dream is the only one accessible to all in its original form, after the close of NUBUWWA.

The rest are only available in duplicates, even @ that, just for the sages through inheritance. Just like KARAMA is a duplicate of MU‘JIZA.

LadunaI:

So in nutshell DIVINATION is seeking to know the hidden infos.

Well, in addition, I think, NOT only going to soothsayer for seeking other hidden knowledge like weather forecasting, oil exploration but trying to know about any INDIVIDUAL PERSON'' future, as only Allah know the details of everybody MAN or WOMAN's DESTINY.

So seeking such info even with new age computerized algorithm is REPREHENSIVE in Islam, if am not mistaken.

This is a very loooong one. It revolves around the twins-- GHAIB/ALQADAR. BRB

AL-GHAIB, like the name denotes, is the UNKNOWN, as in, eternally UNKNOWN.

#The simple definition of it is that, everyone except GOD has got some matters hes ignorant of & those are GHAIB to him. But the moment he gets to know a matter he used to be ignorant of, that known matter automatically gets declassified as GHAIB @least to him. Why ? Coz GHAIB must forever remain the UNKNOWN.

So, in the true sense, no ONE knows GHAIB except GOD coz the UNKNOWN in reality cannot be KNOWN, the moment it becomes KNOWN, it stops bearing, the UNKNOWN. Moreover, there must be something UNKNOWN to all @ one point in time & @ every point in time & GOD is the only KNOWER of them.

#This THEORY if true, makes us understand that GHAIB is RELATIVE. As in what is GHAIB to Mr. A might not be GHAIB to Mr. B. e.t.c.

THE 3 divisions of GHAIB........

As classified or declassified in the QURAN, GOD did categorized GHAIB into 3 classes according to the “KNOWERS“.

#1-: What is UNKNOWN to all @ some point in time & @ all points in time: The only KNOWER of these is GOD.

VERSES such as Q18:26 Q2:216 Q6:59 Q12:76 etc where GOD excluded everyone from KNOWING, except himself, are pointers to the first class of the KNOWERS, which is the only real (HAQEEQAH) class, while others are subordinates.

This class is totally sealed off to all. It is part of what makes GOD, GOD. This class eternally remains GHAIB to all.....

#2-: What is UNKNOWN to all @ some point in time & @ all points in time, except to GOD & the chosen (these are also subdivided according to the capacity of the chosen).

VERSES such as Q72:27 Q3:179 Q18:65 Q31:12 Q20:38 Q2:269 Q16:43 Q34:6 these types of GHAIB are not obtainable through effort alone except with divine clearance, access to them is only through a secured channel. This class will forever remain GHAIB to the commoners.

#3-: What is UNKNOWN to some but not all, @ some point in time, but can be KNOWN either by the chosen or the common, as its channel is a free one, accessible to all through effort or sheer luck regardless of the class of the seeker.

VERSES such as Q11:49 Q12:102 Q3:44 etc where GOD declears he revealed GHAIB (in form of anecdotes of past prophets) to the NABI (saw) & his UMMAH. As we can see, those stories were GHAIB (UNKNOWN) by the audience before revelation but stopped being so immediately after revelation, for GHAIB shall forever remain the UNKNOWN.

###So, in all these, the denotation of the first class still overrides all, for as long as GHAIB remains the UNKNOWN, KNOWN only to GOD.

#So, wherever GOD declears in the QURAN that no one KNOWS GHAIB/something except him, we know what class hes refering to.

#When he goes to say he revealed it to some, we know what he meant.

#Whenever hes relaying past stories & called them GHAIB, we also understand what is meant.


Without understanding these classifications in the QURAN, it will look like GOD is saying one thing here & contradicting himself there.

***********

Now, to AL-QADAR, being the flipside of GHAIB or its fraction, since it is also a sort of KNOWLEDGE, is also subjective to those 3 rules.

So, parts of AL-QADAR (destiny), if not all, can be KNOWN. The DIVINER is always the issue.