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Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 9:11pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
The christians are always fond of saying that "carnal minds" can never understand the bible. Well my mind must be be carnal then 2 kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. John 3:11 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.(these were jesus' words) I don't think you need a soothsayer to tell you there is something wrong here What's your say on this christians Hopfullandlord, Hahn. Lennycool, jackbizzle, benzics, lepasharon, liberadeus, immorttal, seun, randomperson, teempakguy, SirWere, Akintom The christian crew 6 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by felixomor: 9:14pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
jonbellion: Sorry Correct the spellings in your thread topic.... ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 9:15pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
felixomor:okay I will Oya contribute |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by Nobody: 9:32pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
Firstly, do you believe that Christ Jesus came down from heaven? jonbellion: |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by akintom(m): 9:44pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
jonbellion: Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. The nazarene was a deluded miscreants that hadly got mentioned, in the historical documentation of the scholars, who lived about the very time that the delusionist was claimed to have lived. The christards will rather impale massively, than submit that the whole buy-bull is a crap. |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 9:50pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
Omudia:no I do not But you do |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by akintom(m): 9:52pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
jonbellion:never expect sensible comment from someone, whose intelligence is on life support. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 9:54pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
akintom:it honestly amazes me when I see educated people trying to rationalize obvious discrepancies in thier doctrine I always said Christianity is an extremely horrible attempt to merge the other Abrahamic religion Judaism with it's core doctrine |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 9:55pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
akintom:lmao Most of them are avoiding the thread This one was just too bad Infallible book my arse |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by AvsGot007(m): 9:58pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
I think it's time to thanks y'all atheist on here... now I got more questions to ask these Jehovah witness but sadly they don't come knocking anymore I'm deist btw 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by AvsGot007(m): 10:06pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
oh well.. I heard the leaves that the words in the Bible were formerly written on was scattered and some got lost before some wise men found the location ... so they had to use their intelligence to complete it themselves |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by CriticMaestro: 10:19pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
jonbellion:are u an atheist or a muslim? |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by CriticMaestro: 10:30pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
post ur qurstion very well |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 10:32pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
CriticMaestro:athiest |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 10:34pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
CriticMaestro:not a question really I just wanted to see how you guys would rationalise it |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by Jeromejnr(m): 10:36pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
The answer to your silly question is very obvious. But guess what? I wont even waste my time explaining nothing to you folks because it wont even change anything. If you havent gotten the foundational knowledge of Christ coming into the world and paying the price for your sins, how will your blind eyes see deeper into the advanced wisdom of God. Quote me and I wont even bother to answer 2 Likes |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by akintom(m): 10:37pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
CriticMaestro:was the nazarene not been ignorant or oblivious of the Torah, to have said no one has gone to heaven? When both Elijah and Enoch have been? |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by akintom(m): 10:38pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
Jeromejnr:cowards are the religitards and the christards. |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by CriticMaestro: 10:41pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
i've dealt with ur kind before, this question is not surprising, u must have heard it somewhere but nonetheless stay tuned...gonna post something now |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 10:41pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
Jeromejnr:okay When you're dove bloviating the contradiction is still here Elijah flew to heaven Jesus said no one has flown to heaven Besides your holier--than-thou-you're-too-carnal-to-understand-the word of God crap would you like to enlighten me Ooh wait I forgot You can't It's written all over your response |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by CriticMaestro: 10:44pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
Answer: In John 3:13 Jesus says to Nicodemus, “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven–the Son of Man.” This verse is somewhat difficult to interpret and is often misunderstood. It is also frequently used by those who want to find contradictions in the Bible. We must keep the verse in context. In verses 10-12, especially, we see that Jesus is talking about His authority and the validity of His teaching. Jesus tells Nicodemus that He has been teaching what He knew firsthand: “We speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen” (verse 11). Then, in verse 13 Jesus explains why He is uniquely qualified to teach of the kingdom of God—namely, because He alone came down from heaven and possesses the knowledge to teach people about heaven. Jesus alone has seen the Father, and He alone is qualified to declare God and make Him known (John 1:18). The gist of John 3:13 is this: “None of your earthly teachers can really teach you about heaven, because none of them have actually been there. However, I have been there. In fact, it is My home. I have come to you from heaven, and I have brought with Me experiential knowledge of that place. My testimony carries weight; I can tell you the truth about salvation.” The NLT brings out the meaning well: “No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.” In claiming a heavenly abode, Jesus was claiming deity. Nicodemus himself had already admitted that Jesus was extraordinary when he said, “We know you are a teacher who has come from God” (verse 2). Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they died (Mark 12:26-27), and Enoch and Elijah had been taken there without dying (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11). Rather, He was teaching that, of all rabbis, He had the best credentials. Jesus has direct contact with heaven; He is an expert on the subject. 4 Likes |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by akintom(m): 10:45pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
jonbellion: Enoch (pastor Enoch Adeboye is hoping for this experience though) was whisked to heaven too. |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by DoctorAlien(m): 10:50pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
This explanation is for the benefit of those who are looking for the truth, and not for those looking for an occasion to cavil If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Jn. 3:12-13 KJV Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus, a leader of Israel, that he must be born of water and the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of GOD. He made it clear to Nicodemus that He had only told him earthly things, and yet it was hard for him to believe. Jesus was then wondering how Nicodemus will be able to believe it if He told him of heavenly things, seeing that it was only Him who was privy to the heavenly tidings. Jesus surely made an allusion to Deut. 30:12-14, which Nicodemus was familiar with in Jn. 3:13. He explained to Nicodemus that only the Son of GOD in Heaven came down with the Heavenly message for this world of sinners. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by CriticMaestro: 10:50pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
do u need to be clarified further? |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by randomperson: 10:57pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
Lolz... It's pretty interesting seeing the attempts by Christians to explain this contradiction... It seems the best they can do is to ignore the actual words of the bible text and use their own words.... The funny thing is that the bible places a curse on those who remove from or add to the bible ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by akintom(m): 11:03pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
CriticMaestro: John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. The crux of this thread is the contradiction that borders on the claim of Jesus, that no man has ascended to heaven bodily. But if you now choose to do exegesis that wanna parry this to getting messages from heaven, all the priests, prophets and John the baptist, all ascended to heaven to receive messages from Yahweh via dreams, vision and trance. Therefore, your exegesis is void and not applicable to the ignorance of Jesus. |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by CriticMaestro: 11:03pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
randomperson:u can read the bible withawt asking the holy spirit to guide you, that's y u can't comprehend the message we are trying to pass |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by jonbellion(m): 11:05pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
CriticMaestro:interesting I'm not really a fan of long arguements so I'll just leave you with this Note he did not say no one has ascended and come back except him otherwise your explanation would have made 100% sense He said no one has ascended I hope you get the drift ![]() I hope you're getting the drift ![]() Well obviously the NLT would attempt to correct the discrepancy |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by CriticMaestro: 11:10pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
it's fine really cuz i've argued muslims before and i know where they are coming from but u guyz i just cant imagine..lemme ask u a simple question to u atheist, try and answer it honestly please, when u were 10 years old what did u believe in? |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by mrmrmister: 11:18pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
CriticMaestro: I like this guy. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by mrmrmister: 11:19pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
jonbellion: I thought you were a deist. |
Re: Christians How Would You Deny This Blatant Contradiction by akintom(m): 11:20pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Elijah and Enoch were given birth to, they claimed to have met and received messages from Yahweh. At the end, they both were ferried to heaven. Jesus was given birth to and claimed all that Elijah and Enoch claimed. He was ferried to heaven too. * what is the difference between the three of them? * did Jesus descend from heaven? Noooo Another name for crap is contradiction. 1 Like |
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