AbdelKabir:


In conclusion, therefore, saying “Sadaqa Allâhu al-‘Azeem” after reciting Qur’ân is an innovation, and the Muslim should not say it.

AlBaqir:


So, why is saying "Radi'Allahu anhu, after the mention of any Sahabi", for example, not a bid'ah despite the fact that Quran or Nabi or any of the Sahabi never practiced or commanded it?

AbdelKabir:


Firstly, since you want to derail this thread(because the thread is about a saying after reading the Qur'an, not a saying after mentioning a name of a sahabi) I won't reply after this, and i am replying even though i know you've been refuted in the past on this nonsense you brought up by Newnas.

AbdelKabir:

Secondly, The Qur'an can't "practice" an action, Qur'an is a the speech of Allâh, not a creation of Allâh.

Thirdly, Allâh explicitly used "radiyAllâhu anhum" for the sahabas in suratul tawbah and that alone has trashed up your nonsense to where it rightfully belongs – The trash can.

lastly, any further discussion outside the confines of this thread should be taken to "Islam general discussion thread"

Thank you!

AlBaqir:
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Where's your senses?

# What exactly is the difference between the two?

Show us a single verse or hadith where saying sadaqallahu al-azeem after recitation of the Quran is declared Bid'ah. Just one rather than bending and curry-flavouring bid'ah fatwa?!

Your sole "evidence" is that Nabi or the Salaf never practice it. If this is the case, then where's the evidence that Nabi ever practice the saying of Radi'Allahu anhu not to mention of commanding it?

This is a simple challenge which (as usual in the same Sunnah of your forefathers salaf) you have turned into badmouthing. Such is your claim of following Nabi.



# Whether Quran is created or its only speech of Allah, that's your own wahala and I can understand its part of what makes you and cavemen like you Muslim or kafir.

# Simple challenge here is where does Quran command the believers to say "Radi'Allahu anhu" after the mention of any sahabah?

# Allah specifically mentioned and ordered, for example, salawat Wa Salam for Nabi. Then, Nabi too, practiced and commanded it and each and every sahabah practice it except the Munafiqun from amongst them.

# The fact that Quran made mention of the word
"Radi'Allahu anhu" in several places praising the best of sahabah (not the munafiqun), there is no command that after every mention of any sahabi it should be said. Nabi never did it or commanded it, inline with your reasoning.

Quran did not only praise the best of sahabah but also curse the Munafiqun from among them. Why do you choose to repeat "Radi'Allahu anhu" after the mention of a sahabi but kept mute in raining curse upon the Munafiqun? Is it not exclusively mentioned in the Quran?

# So, again why do your Bid'atic scholar in their Bid'ah Manufacturing company choose to approve one and reject the other?
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Empiree:
Honestly, we need to start getting rid of sentiments by simply condemning someone bcus he is a known Shia, Salafi, Sufi and this and that. This attitude clouds judgment. You need to open up brothers.

I hate to say this but it is necessary. At masjid where i pray, he is "Salafi Imam" and he quoted one of the scholars that someone who doesn't see any good in anyone, should check himself. You simply don't believe anything good could come from Shi'a. This is very bad attitude. I am not saying you can't be skeptical if need be but your approach always is repugnant. I understand what albaqir's trying to say but i won't get involved. Y'all can suck it up.

Now back to the topic.

Just because your "opponents" could not bring forth evidence against you outright does not mean there is none. And I honestly see nothing wrong with saying the phrase. So the question of "bid'a should not even be on the table. It is a way of suppressing others.

I could remember in high school every morning during assembly, some individuals are picked up recite Quran and upon the completion, they said the phrase "sadaqaAllah-l azeem." It is basically etiquette. Besides, my high school is mixed with muslims and christians. We read the Quran in Arabic and translated it and said "the word of Allah is true".

How and why this is bid'a is rather problematic when the phrase itself is in the Quran regardless of context. Just because Sheikh UTHAYMEEN (ra) said it is "bid'a" does not make it so. These same Shuyukh from that quarters have given opinions with citations from Quran from unrelated matters. So i dont understand why this is issue.

AbdelKabir:


you are here with your "not reading andand understanding before commenting attitude" where have i condemned him because he is Shi'a? I only asked him not to derail the thread and thats all, he on the other hand has been vulgar but you didn't see that because you both are birds a feather. continue.

all this na story, WAllâhi.

Empiree:
Thanks sissie

My comment is restored up there @albaqir. I feel it is necessary to post other's view so that people dont think that theirs is the only option.

AlBaqir:


Yeah. I feel you bro. it is necessary.

Their biggest problem which they inherited from their wahabism is that they simply cannot tolerate opposing view. If they don't attack you with filthy words, they will with violence. Obviously they are far from Nabi's exalted character.

# Bunch of fanatics who constantly mar the name of Islam in mud with their intolerance and barbaric fatawa.

AbdelKabir:


coming from someone who never speaks a word against "opponents" except that he adds insults in it, and being vulgar.

but when served his own dose, he laments like a chicken left outside under the rain overnight.

AlBaqir:


You better go back and review your thread and see how you start with your usual filthy languages.

Nah! Fanatics like you deserve nothing but bashing. Paying you back in your own coin. You guys let me realize that. Really Shia and Sufi are big thorns in your throats.

Anyway that's your own wahala. The point is attempt those challenges before you and stop crying like wolves.

AbdelKabir:


point out the filthy language i used, thank you.

Like ive said, i wont allow the thread to be derailed.

AlBaqir:


So, why is saying "Radi'Allahu anhu, after the mention of any Sahabi", for example, not a bid'ah despite the fact that Quran or Nabi or any of the Sahabi never practiced or commanded it?

AbdelKabir:


Firstly, since you want to derail this thread(because the thread is about a saying after reading the Qur'an, not a saying after mentioning a name of a sahabi) I won't reply after this, and i am replying even though i know you've been refuted in the past on this nonsense you brought up by Newnas.

Secondly, The Qur'an can't "practice" an action, Qur'an is the speech of Allâh, not a creation of Allâh.

Thirdly, Allâh explicitly used "radiyAllâhu anhum" for the sahabas in suratul tawbah and that alone has trashed up your nonsense to where it rightfully belongs – The trash can.

lastly, any further discussion outside the confines of this thread should be taken to "Islam general discussion thread"

Thank you!

AbdelKabir:


Like ive said, i wont allow the thread to be derailed.

AlBaqir:



Indeed you are of low memory.

Here's my first comment on this thread:



Here's your reply:


Kilagbe, kileju?

AlBaqir:


Stop deceiving yourself man. Am not the type that derail thread. My comment/challenge to your false system in issuing your cursed fatawa is perfectly in line with your thread.

# I know you are cornered. Kindly seek for help from the rest of your cavemen.

AbdelKabir:



indeed, you are not brilliant at all, ofcourse, you are a shia so i dont expect anything brilliant from you.

"nonsense" is another way of saying, "what you are saying dont make sense" how is that filthy and an attack to your personality mr shia?

unlike you that said things like "where is your senses", "caveman" and whatever filthy words you have been trained with. yours is an attack to my personality and mine is an attack on your message, spot the difference?

AbdelKabir:
@Em.piree, you "read inbetween the lines" but couldn't see that your Shi'a friend was vulgar, yeye.

Anyway,

As usual, mixing LARGE falsehood with bits and pieces of things that looks like truth(yani, misplacing adillah from their right positions), I am yet to see the hadeeth mentioning that when ever you finish reading the Qur'an, say "sadaqallahul azeem" i haven't seen that, or do you think we can't read arabic?

and yes, the hadeeth you brought were referring to COMPLETION(khatm) of the Qur'an, i.e you start reading from faatihah to baqarah down to nas, ahlus-sunnah say, you can supplicate to Allâh after conpleting(khatm) the Qur'an (as its been done in ramadhan), but THERE IS NO AUTHENTIC DUA to be said, all we know is Anas ibn Maalik would supplicate to Allâh whenever he completes the Qur'an.

and as for the narration in bayhaqi where the prophet supposedly said a specific dua for khatm al-Quran, Alhamdulillâh you stated it yourself that its weak, so why attribute it to the prophet?

before you went to bring weak ahadeeth, i knew that these narrations exist so you arent bringing anything new, it was rejected for its weakness as per the prophet's warning not to attribute falsehood to him, this is where you are having problem, you dont care if the hadeeth attributed to the prophet is true of false.

even if we are to accept them, which of them mentioned "sadaqallâhul azeem"?

Empiree:
So Daif now means fabricated hadith?. It says Daif. It doesnt say fabricated. You should rather say your shuyuk reject it because it is daif. If hadith is daif it is not rejected 100%. That doesnt mean calling people who do it "innovators". If we all should go by that, then, as we debated before about "Quran competition" which none of you have daleel for but accepted it bcus Saudi does it too. Is it okay then to call them "innovators" because of this?

Well, the whole idea of saying sadaqaAllah-ul azeem is after completion of Quran period. Whether juz amma or whatever which is what you said yourself, it is still in line with saying this. You can not call people innovators to scare people away. Unless and until you can provide evidence from kitab and Sunnah that "Quran competition and walimot Quran" is sunnah, i wont take you serious. You do not condemn this becuase Saudi does the same. So your case is dismissed.

sadaqaAllah-ul azeem exists in the Quran, so how this is bida is in itself bida when in fact the phrase is the word of Allah. Do they even know what bid'a is anymore. shaking my head

I am not even done yet. I slowed down because of sissie's robot ban. So expect me to be banned again when i post my next

AbuuBilaal:
^My brother, don't be surprised by the inconsistency in the methodology of Emp.iree, it's completely normal for an innovator especially the shia and Sufi.

They are not bothered by the weakness or authenticity of any hadith or tafseer, they are only bothered by what they inherited from their misguided sheikhs.

Saying that statement after recitation was never known during the time of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam and his companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum. maybe his Sufi sheikhs are the first to recite Quran and finish it, he should tell us!