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Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by eldee(m): 6:37pm On Dec 10, 2009
tkb417:

eldee
switch to Finance and get paid 1 milla na grin

btw, i need you to tidy up some deals for me o grin grin

Nah . . . Law's perfect for me, I can scratch the backs of these thieves so they can scratch mine too grin grin

I'm ready when you are, just give me the proposal at the tabernacle wink

chamotex:

But that is because they are a key instrument in the success of the economy, both short-term and long-term.

You say it like no one else has a hand in the smooth-running of the society.

Forget that side, everyone has a hand in it . . . you saw what happened at Northern Rock, panic withdrawals almost crashed the bank before the recession. grin grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by eldee(m): 6:41pm On Dec 10, 2009
Sagamite:

The one wey make me laugh is the one of RBS wey the same bankers that lost people's pensions and help some lose their jobs are the ones demanding huge bonus to keep the "talent" from leaving. I say "shoo, dem be talent when dem lose £18bn"!  shocked grin

Hehehe grin grin grin
My very own local Chinese restaurant close because of RBS. Those idiots don make I start to dey learn how to cook.
After that, Chamo go talk say e no affect me grin grin grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by chamotex(m): 6:44pm On Dec 10, 2009
eldee:

You say it like no one else has a hand in the smooth-running of the society.

Forget that side, everyone has a hand in it . . . you saw what happened at Northern Rock, panic withdrawals almost crashed the bank before the recession. grin grin

Of course everyone does but at what rate? That's why I said both short-term and long term.

I once saw on this NL where someone posted a thread where her bank told her to meet a target of N200,000,000 by December. cheesy cheesy
That was like last week . . . and the funny thing is her job was on the line here.
Imagine that!  grin grin grin

She's probably redundant by now.

Everyone contrinutes one way or the other but some, more than others
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by chamotex(m): 6:46pm On Dec 10, 2009
eldee:

Hehehe grin grin grin
My very own local Chinese restaurant close because of RBS. Those idiots don make I start to dey learn how to cook.
After that, Chamo go talk say e no affect me grin grin grin

But e no affect u reach person wey don lose him house, wey don dey leave under A406 bridge.  cheesy grin

There's an altenative/substitute for ur Chinese . . . Have u tried Indian or Kebab (Turkish)? grin grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by eldee(m): 6:55pm On Dec 10, 2009
chamotex:

But e no affect u reach person wey don lose him house, wey don dey leave under A406 bridge.  cheesy grin

There's an altenative/substitute for your Chinese . . . Have u tried Indian or Kebab (Turkish)? grin grin
I be Mr Li number 1 customer . . . the guy they do free home delivery for me. cheesy
How my friend go lose im life ambition make e no affect me, Mr Li was family cheesy

chamotex:

Of course everyone does but at what rate? That's why I said both short-term and long term.

I once saw on this NL where someone posted a thread where her bank told her to meet a target of N200,000,000 by December. cheesy cheesy
That was like last week . . . and the funny thing is her job was on the line here.
Imagine that!  grin grin grin

She's probably redundant by now.

Everyone contrinutes one way or the other but some, more than others



Let me tell you who's causing that . . . other bankers.
Bankers are naturally greedy, that's why that happens to them cheesy
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by mamagee3(f): 7:44pm On Dec 10, 2009
Bankers deserve nothing. angry
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by safariman(m): 7:56pm On Dec 10, 2009
We should differentiate between Investment Bankers (Wall Street/NSE guys) versus Corporate/commercial or business bankers.
You are given a target and you suppassed that target, why should you not share in the pot because if you don't meet the target, you get sacked,
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by EPOMA(m): 9:23pm On Dec 10, 2009
@ Jay Bee

Thanks for this Topic.

I use to think that Banker bonuses where crazy but I have come to realize that it is one of the hardest Job. When I mean bankers, I am talking of investment banking. Those traders are special. Because of globalization , if you don't pay the good traders or bankers money, they can simply move to another company or country and that company loses. Bonuses can not be stopped in investing banking.
For Nigerian Banking, I think it is very different and i have always told my friends in the banks in Nigeria that putting pressure on staff to go and bring customers to deposit money is not really banking, charging customer 5 per thousand is just robbery by banks. They should open wide their investment wings and make proper money from the world market.
Below is some good links to read

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another link
http://www.makemesomemoney.co.uk/2009/05/07/rajesh-gill-the-7-to-7-man/


I think Good Bankers Deserve what they earn
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by madlady(f): 9:32pm On Dec 10, 2009
EPOMA:

@ Jay Bee

Thanks for this Topic.

I use to think that Banker bonuses where crazy but I have come to realize that it is one of the hardest Job. When I mean bankers, I am talking of investment banking. Those traders are special. smiley


I have to agree with you. I shall look at them with NEW eyes. smiley
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by vislabraye(m): 12:57am On Dec 11, 2009
It depends on the balance sheet of the bank. It's not a situation where bankers cook up figures and at the end of the day they buy private jets for

themselves or buy houses oversea. And one begins to wonder what fantastic thing are the bankers doing.
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by paddylo1(m): 1:47am On Dec 11, 2009
y'll should leave bankers alone. . .wanna be a socialist? angry,move to north korea. . .
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by adconline(m): 12:25pm On Dec 11, 2009
i think they deserve the bonuses they get (on assumption that they meet their targets) simply because if i am making my company and her shareholders millions of profits every year due to ma shrewd investments then i expect to get a share of that bounty.
It's as simple as that

If they could make money without my bail out, they should be rewarded, but since they are "making money" with my bail out, they should get nothing. If bankers think that they are really smart, let them go into invention like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, and Steve jobs
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by thameamead(f): 12:25pm On Dec 11, 2009
GREEDY BANKERS- i hope they all rot in hell with their private jets, They just want to have a nice life but they do not want to pay tax, their bonus should be taxed, they are just too arrogant, they employ the best accountant so dat they do not pay too much tax, they were happy to give sub prime mortgages to the poor but now they are repossessing their houses, these people are heartless, go to any homeless sections of any london council or the citizens advise centre n c families with children as young as 6 wks trying to get teh council to help them, bloody bankers,
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by udeychop: 12:30pm On Dec 11, 2009
I think there is a bit of confusion here – there is a big difference between an investment bank (Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs being the only two truly investment banks remaining and others like JP Morgan, Citigroup) and a retail bank (HSBC, Lloyds, RBS).

Investment banks are in the business of making money for their clients – their clients are not the normal person walking on the street – its institutional investors and people who have a net worth of at least £1m. These clients are well aware of the possibility of losing money.These are the banks whose business model involves stock market trading, etc  Retail banks are in the business of savings, mortgages, normal bank accounts, etc.  

Investment bankers deserve the high bonuses they get.  I work a 12 hour shift very often, and there are large amounts of money at stake – usually six figure sums and more and my job is extremely intense and intellectually demanding.

What I don’t agree with is retail banks diverting from their core business and starting to do business like investment banks.  These are the people who now need the taxpayers money, NOT INVESTMENT BANKS and I don’t think they deserve the huge bonuses as the taxpayer now has to pay for their greed.  Retail banks are not supposed to be trading on the stock market as their core business and this is what happened – contributing to the financial crisis.

So in summary, investment bankers do deserve the high bonuses, but retail bankers certainly don’t.
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by thameamead(f): 12:33pm On Dec 11, 2009
mama-gee:

Bankers deserve nothing. angry
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by thameamead(f): 12:37pm On Dec 11, 2009
mama-gee:

Bankers deserve nothing. angry

they should be sent to afghanistan to flight the Talibans, LOL!!!!!!! Jaybee, u are first on my list, LOL!!!
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by Sagamite(m): 1:15pm On Dec 11, 2009
EPOMA:

@ Jay Bee

  Thanks for this Topic.
 
    I use to think that Banker bonuses where crazy but I have come to realize that it is one of the hardest Job. When I mean bankers, I am talking of investment banking. Those traders are special. Because of globalization , if you don't pay the good traders or bankers money, they can simply move to another company or country and that company loses. Bonuses can not be stopped in investing banking.
     For Nigerian Banking, I think it is very different and i have always told my friends in the banks in Nigeria that putting pressure on staff to go and bring customers to deposit money is not really banking, charging customer  5 per thousand is just robbery by banks. They should open wide their  investment wings and make proper money from the world market.
Below is some good links to read

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_04/GregCoffeyES_468x562.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-561417/City-heartthrob-gives-160million-bonus-hedge-fund-boss.html&h=562&w=468&sz=70&tbnid=0q4IOfUi1dz7aM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgreg%2Bcoffey&hl=en&usg=__UfNihkdUEvyMLS8Ocf0ak-Tbke8=&ei=FT3XSuu4NJK04Qb7stHNCA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&ved=0CBEQ9QEwAw

another link
http://www.makemesomemoney.co.uk/2009/05/07/rajesh-gill-the-7-to-7-man/


I think Good Bankers  Deserve what they earn

I haven't seen you back up your statements.

How are they special when they are not even risking their own money?

I hope you know there is rampant insider trading in the industry?
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by Sagamite(m): 1:26pm On Dec 11, 2009
udeychop:

Investment bankers deserve the high bonuses they get.  I work a 12 hour shift very often, and there are large amounts of money at stake – usually six figure sums and more and my job is extremely intense and intellectually demanding.

Are you saying Doctors, lawyers (especially Barristers), MCs don't work long shifts?

Are you saying their jobs are any less intense or intellectually demanding?

Or are you subconciously coming to the conclusion that bankers just deserve big bonuses, not because of their talent or quality of work, but because their role involves handling the money part (hence taking % from huge capital) and the others don't?


udeychop:

What I don’t agree with is retail banks diverting from their core business and starting to do business like investment banks.  These are the people who now need the taxpayers money, NOT INVESTMENT BANKS and I don’t think they deserve the huge bonuses as the taxpayer now has to pay for their greed.  Retail banks are not supposed to be trading on the stock market as their core business and this is what happened – contributing to the financial crisis.

No, you are wrong here.

Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and co were also bailed out to the tune of billions of dollars. They took taxpayers money to stay alive. They depended on taxpayer money being injected in their industry to keep it from crashing when THEY messed it up.

Now they have less competition in their markets, they are making a killing and don't see the sense in simmering the greed that fueled the problem.

I don't blame them. If I was the one tasked with setting up the terms of bailout, I will squeeze their balls so hard it would sound from 2 miles away like knocking 2 snooker balls together repeatedly.

These guys basically just paid of the loans under a year and are trying to get back to norm. I would have ensured the taxpayers that bailed them is entitled to at least 10% of the profits (before mf tax) for the first 10 years of generating profit so they never dream of being in that situation again.
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by winta2007(m): 1:29pm On Dec 11, 2009
no ,
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by udeychop: 1:41pm On Dec 11, 2009
@ sagamite : I didn’t discredit any other profession in any way, and yes I guess the reason investment bankers are paid more is that they produce real returns ie. money as opposed to other professions which don’t produce tangible items eg. health.

Regarding bail outs for investment banks, yes they did receive TARP money from the Fed but it has been paid back (well for Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs) and so why should IB still be held for money they have already paid back

Regarding your point about taxpayers getting the best of them – that is in the power of the authorities who provided the TARP and I don’t think you can blame bankers for that.
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by jaybee3(m): 1:50pm On Dec 11, 2009
thameamead:


they should be sent to afghanistan to flight the Talibans, LOL!!!!!!! Jaybee, u are first on my list, LOL!!!
You r a joker. I am not a banker though so won't be going to afghanistan any-time soon.
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by tkb417(m): 2:26pm On Dec 11, 2009
so who wud be goin to afghanistan?

the london IB bankers i suppose

im in Nigeria and we didnt get none of ur TARP money

the last time i checked the govt of Nigeria didnt bail my company out so i can safely conclude i deserve all ma pepper! grin


thameamead:

GREEDY BANKERS- i hope they all rot in hell with their private jets, They just want to have a nice life but they do not want to pay tax, their bonus should be taxed, they are just too arrogant, they employ the best accountant so dat they do not pay too much tax, they were happy to give sub prime mortgages to the poor but now they are repossessing their houses, these people are heartless, go to any homeless sections of any london council or the citizens advise centre n c families with children as young as 6 wks trying to get teh council to help them, bloody bankers,
na wa o
na curse
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by debosky(m): 2:28pm On Dec 11, 2009
Deserve? How can we determine whether someone 'deserves' something?

As long as the bankers are following the rules of their industry, doing what they are supposed to do according to the law, then they do deserve the incomes they obtain.

It may not sound 'fair', but life isn't fair - as long as it is by the rules.
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by Sauron1: 2:33pm On Dec 11, 2009
debosky:

Deserve? How can we determine whether someone 'deserves' something?

As long as the bankers are following the rules of their industry, doing what they are supposed to do according to the law, then they do deserve the incomes they obtain.

It may not sound 'fair', but life isn't fair - as long as it is by the rules.

U must be very intelligent. cool
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by debosky(m): 2:38pm On Dec 11, 2009
thameamead:

GREEDY BANKERS- i hope they all rot in hell with their private jets, They just want to have a nice life but they do not want to pay tax, their bonus should be taxed, they are just too arrogant, they employ the best accountant so dat they do not pay too much tax, they were happy to give sub prime mortgages to the poor but now they are repossessing their houses, these people are heartless, go to any homeless sections of any london council or the citizens advise centre n c families with children as young as 6 wks trying to get teh council to help them, bloody bankers,

Don't be silly - bankers likely pay more tax in one year than you pay in 10 years so they are more than paying their fair share of the burden.

People MUST take responsibility for their financial decisions and seek out an IFA before making investments. Blaming bankers is shifting blame to someone else instead of dealing with your own flaw.
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by tkb417(m): 2:41pm On Dec 11, 2009
i think Debosky is brilliant

why not leave Oil and Gas and come join us

Sauron, how market?
are u still an engineer? grin grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by Sauron1: 2:52pm On Dec 11, 2009
tkb417:

Sauron, how market?
are u still an engineer? grin grin

I am closer to the banking industry now than oil/gas schitzo.
Banking is where the money's at. . . . . . . . .My friend working with HSBC is all smiles now stashing mad pay Debosky's oga can never pocket. grin grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by tkb417(m): 2:55pm On Dec 11, 2009
~Sauron~:

I am closer to the banking industry now than oil/gas schitzo.
Banking is where the money's at. . . . . . . . .My friend working with HSBC is all smiles now stashing mad pay Debosky's oga can never pocket. grin grin
hahahaha
long hours nko?
ur weekends nko?

u wont have those luxuries anymore man?

debosky oga drives a bentley grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by Sagamite(m): 2:56pm On Dec 11, 2009
debosky:

Deserve? How can we determine whether someone 'deserves' something?

As long as the bankers are following the rules of their industry, doing what they are supposed to do according to the law, then they do deserve the incomes they obtain.

It may not sound 'fair', but life isn't fair - as long as it is by the rules.


GBAM! grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by debosky(m): 2:57pm On Dec 11, 2009
tkb417:

hahahaha
long hours nko?
your weekends nko?

u wont have those luxuries anymore man?

debosky oga drives a bentley grin

Abeg tell them.  grin

Don't worry - I'll make my millions in other ways - like the Yoruba saying goes, there is more than one pathway into the market!!  cool
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by Sagamite(m): 2:58pm On Dec 11, 2009
tkb417:

so who wud be goin to afghanistan?

the london IB bankers i suppose

im in Nigeria and we didnt get none of your TARP money

the last time i checked the govt of Nigeria didnt bail my company out so i can safely conclude i deserve all ma pepper! grin

na wa o
na curse

For you making too much pepper, dem suppose throw you for Darfur - Chairman Mao Sagamite.  grin grin grin grin
Re: Do Bankers Really Deserve Their Multi-million Pound Pays? by Sauron1: 3:02pm On Dec 11, 2009
tkb417:

hahahaha
long hours nko?
your weekends nko?
u wont have those luxuries anymore man?

I don't give a damn about long hours/busy weekends. . . . .as long as office romance is not prohibited. grin
Cash is king. Without cash, there can never be luxuries so cash begets luxury.
When the cash is made, i can either quit and buy 3SC of Ibadan OR start a pure water factory in Debosky's village. grin cheesy


debosky oga drives a bentley grin

Really? HSBC boys cruise McLaren Benzitos. . . . grin

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