olureignforever:


In my own opinion, I think it was people who last saw her that gave her that name. From history,she didn't disclose her identity to people who had contact with her. Sungbo in yoruba means Sleeping in the bush.

stubornnn:
There is not one single historical artifact as significant as this in the whole of the South East and I guess that's why the Igbos are constantly jealous of Yorubas....

....heck, they are not even sure whether they're Africans or Isrealites. Shame and inferiority complex has made them to trade their historical culture for a foreign one...

The irony of it all is that the Jews are unrepentant racists that would mostly avoid any genealogical links with black Africans if possible.
You just had to bring your hatred into a beautiful thread...who is dragging historical artefacts with you? Its obvious your head is buried deep in your anus

Rossikk:
So, conventional belief is that the Eredo earthworks surrounds a kingdom, meaning several towns, villages, empty land, bush etc.

But if it actually was a WHOLE CITY, as some scientists now insist, that means it would be by far the largest city in all human history!!!

If that is the case, then an unbelievable amount of artefacts and treasure lies beneath that land.

Who knows how much GOLD will be found in such a huge city??

The research above states the city traded heavily in gold and ivory.

There would have been thousands of rich families and palatial homes, housing all sorts of treasures!

I can't wait for the digging to commence!

Kakamorufu:
u are mouthed

olureignforever:


Are you ijebu?

Kakamorufu:
Naaaah. Ibadan. buh have good relationship with ijebu people

baby124:

The article is a very confused article, and it does not come to a conclusion or even prove the Egyptian influence on Yoruba culture. I can understand the need to associate any civilization in Africa to Egypt because Egypt was the super power of the world at that time. But it is not true that the Nigerians of today migrated from there. I don't care what assumptions Samuel Johnson claims. Yoruba's developed their social, cultural and economic systems themselves. You know not all Yoruba groups believe in Oduduwa right? It's really only the Ife's and Oyo's that believe that myth. The fact is the people in theNigeria area of today had their own civilization. After all the Dufuna Canoe was discovered in Nigeria and it is 8,000 years old. Older than the so called Egyptian civilization and it was quite sophisticated. If you say Nigerian's migrated to Egypt and built the Egyptian civilization, I may believe you. But not the other way around. That Dufuna canoe provided evidence that we in Nigeria were traveling to other continents 8,000 yrs ago in a very sophisticated canoe designed for long travel. Before Egyptians developed that technology.

The most likely descendants of Egypt or North Africa are the Hausa, Fulani and Kanuri. They are obviously North African stock. Their language and migration or settlement pattern proves that they came from the North and groups settled all over Africa through Sudan before finally reaching Nigeria.

codemaniacs:




spell it using Ya not Yo... Ya-ruba.



look for Ya-ruba dynasty...



it was called Ya-ruba dynasty.. which is now a small part of a "mid-eastern country"..




you're very wrong...

Yoruba means:

Yo = joy
iru = seeds
oba = gods/goddesses/kings/queens

Yoruba = joy of gods..

now replace the Yo with Ya or Iya..

jantavanta would love this thread

ElsonMorali:


Did you read my post at all? Especially the last part?

There was a time when our progenitors weren't bearing the name "Yoruba". The term Yoruba in the history If those bearing that name is a very very recent appellation.

Besides where in my post did I mention edo?

Please read my post again.

stubornnn:
There is not one single historical artifact as significant as this in the whole of the South East and I guess that's why the Igbos are constantly jealous of Yorubas....

....heck, they are not even sure whether they're Africans or Isrealites. Shame and inferiority complex has made them to trade their historical culture for a foreign one...

The irony of it all is that the Jews are unrepentant racists that would mostly avoid any genealogical links with black Africans if possible.

stubornnn:
There is not one single historical artifact as significant as this in the whole of the South East and I guess that's why the Igbos are constantly jealous of Yorubas....

....heck, they are not even sure whether they're Africans or Isrealites. Shame and inferiority complex has made them to trade their historical culture for a foreign one...

The irony of it all is that the Jews are unrepentant racists that would mostly avoid any genealogical links with black Africans if possible.

ElsonMorali:


If there's the possibility that Nok=old Yoruba, then there's the possibility that even before Yorubas were known as Nok, they first inhabited the Nile region.

Have you thought about the possibility that those terracota heads and sculptures you're talking about are miniature versions of those great sculptures of Pharaohs and the Sphinx head that they built while they inhabited the Nile area? After all, they were still in transit and wouldn't build anything permanent or gigantic.

My theory is that when the very ancient inhabitants of the Nile were forced to flee down south, they brought along with them their knowledge of artwork amongst other things and they intended to flee as down south as possible from whatever was chasing them.

It is possible that they got to their present location when they encountered the sea at eko. Or Maybe they got to Ife first.

Then they settled down and their propensity to build huge structures as evidenced by the giant statues of Pharaohs, the Sphinx and the pyramids got them to build the Eredo which looks like a gigantic fortress to keep out invaders or to mark territories, something you'd expect from people who had to flee their home because of a war or invasion.

So while I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that the Nok evolved into the Yorubas, There's also the possibility that the inhabitants of Kemet along the Nile evolved into the Nok people.

How sure are you that the markings on your grandmother's body aren't hieroglyphics?

Do you know that the name "Yoruba" was given to us by later inhabitants of the present day Northern Nigeria whom we call Awusa?

So it begs the questions
1. What is the meaning of the word "Yoruba"?

2. What was the original name of the people now known as Yoruba?


You say it's more likely that the Fulani came from Egypt because of their nomadic lifestyle. I disagree. The Fulani doest just walk around aimlessly because He likes walking. He is a nomad because he looks for the best pastures to graze his cattle on. So tell me, How would the fulanis roam their cattle towards the desert where there's no grass for grazing per se

Olu317:
Odu'a was the first HONI/ORNI/ONI/OONI and not all these jumbo mumbo cooked fairy tales being spread around about OMO OLUWO LO NI by Late Samuel Johnson...The word “OoNI"appellation need be studied very extensively The truth is that there were many interrelationship between Odua group and the other elements. These other elements aren't Obatala group because the progenitor of Yoruba must have had knowledge of Obatala family grouping before the fracas begun that one group believed he was the true lineage of head priestly group, leader and king. This was the problem when Odua group arrived. If it is not true, Can you decode the reason Odua didn't kill Obatala when Obatala was defeated?, This wasn't the norm during the old order. I want to know if the people they call Yoruba today were more sophisticated than Egyptians? I mentioned this because Obatala moved away voluntarily or forcefully for some period but was later absolved into the newly arranged family system created by Odua while Obatala was given a position to occupy. I am tempted to emphasise here that the name Odu- du-wa was not the Yoruba progenitor's name based on correlation and considering few names of his sons such as AKiN OLALOMI FAGBAMILA, OGUN , OKANBI, ORANMIYAN etc. ODU is a IFA term which literally was used to qualify his leadership quality of divinity and coordination. I am still waiting to read the reason, the ancient lineage of Odu'a sons or descendants being referred as OMO UWA /OMO OWA or better still “OWA" which was a more modernised for “UA" or “UWA". The progenitor's name need be carefully examined because the name was a fusion of descriptive word which was fused with his name to become appellation. ODU -DU -WA / ODU -DUA .

stubornnn:
There is not one single historical artifact as significant as this in the whole of the South East and I guess that's why the Igbos are constantly jealous of Yorubas....

....heck, they are not even sure whether they're Africans or Isrealites. Shame and inferiority complex has made them to trade their historical culture for a foreign one...

The irony of it all is that the Jews are unrepentant racists that would mostly avoid any genealogical links with black Africans if possible.

ElsonMorali:


If there's the possibility that Nok=old Yoruba, then there's the possibility that even before Yorubas were known as Nok, they first inhabited the Nile region.

Have you thought about the possibility that those terracota heads and sculptures you're talking about are miniature versions of those great sculptures of Pharaohs and the Sphinx head that they built while they inhabited the Nile area? After all, they were still in transit and wouldn't build anything permanent or gigantic.

My theory is that when the very ancient inhabitants of the Nile were forced to flee down south, they brought along with them their knowledge of artwork amongst other things and they intended to flee as down south as possible from whatever was chasing them.

It is possible that they got to their present location when they encountered the sea at eko. Or Maybe they got to Ife first.

Then they settled down and their propensity to build huge structures as evidenced by the giant statues of Pharaohs, the Sphinx and the pyramids got them to build the Eredo which looks like a gigantic fortress to keep out invaders or to mark territories, something you'd expect from people who had to flee their home because of a war or invasion.

So while I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that the Nok evolved into the Yorubas, There's also the possibility that the inhabitants of Kemet along the Nile evolved into the Nok people.

How sure are you that the markings on your grandmother's body aren't hieroglyphics?

Do you know that the name "Yoruba" was given to us by later inhabitants of the present day Northern Nigeria whom we call Awusa?

So it begs the questions
1. What is the meaning of the word "Yoruba"?

2. What was the original name of the people now known as Yoruba?


You say it's more likely that the Fulani came from Egypt because of their nomadic lifestyle. I disagree. The Fulani doest just walk around aimlessly because He likes walking. He is a nomad because he looks for the best pastures to graze his cattle on. So tell me, How would the fulanis roam their cattle towards the desert where there's no grass for grazing per se

Olu317:
There is nothing like people from Nigeria built Egypt. Cultivation found in Egypt was dated over 7,000 years ago found around the desert part of Egypt. When was a village cultivation found in Nigeria? A 35,000 old stone axe was found in Australia. In Israel,over 50,000 years the old skull was found. The oldest skull was found in East Africa which is over 2,800,000,000 years old. The oldest skull found in Nigeria was at IWO ELERU which is dated about 13,000 years old. All these facts shows people migrated to Nigeria in large numbers and met the Nok Hamitic/ Bantu groups lineage . Get your facts right.

elfico:

I think the story that Oduduwa descended from the sky is generally accepted to be a myth.
It's been long held that Oduduwa came to Ife from the East, with many sources claiming Mecca. And that he met natives in Ife when he arrived. How he was able to reign over them and consolidate his rule is still not clear to me.
I find your story and analysis interesting. Please what are your sources?
I agree that oral traditions were skewed towards a religious point of view, but we cannot throw them away completely.
If you can write more, it would be a pleasure to read.

codemaniacs:


you're very wrong...

Yoruba means:

Yo = joy
iru = seeds
oba = gods/goddesses/kings/queens

Yoruba = joy of gods..

now replace the Yo with Ya or Iya..

jantavanta would love this thread

codemaniacs:




spell it using Ya not Yo... Ya-ruba.



look for Ya-ruba dynasty...



it was called Ya-ruba dynasty.. which is now a small part of a "mid-eastern country"..




you're very wrong...

Yoruba means:

Yo = joy
iru = seeds
oba = gods/goddesses/kings/queens

Yoruba = joy of gods..

now replace the Yo with Ya or Iya..

jantavanta would love this thread

ElsonMorali:


No, I think you are the one who is mistaken here.

Yoruba was the name given to the travellers who were passing through the Northern part of modern day Nigeria.

The natives there after encountering these travelers marveled at the superiority of their knowledge and culture and exclaimed. "Yarubawa ".

Now I can't recall what that word means but it was later corrupted to Yoruba.

baby124:

Yoruba is derogatory. It means stubborn or thuggish or troublesome. Maybe because we were always at war at the time. Yoruba's within themselves always went by their sub group name. Like Ijesha, Ekiti, Ijebu and so on. It's outsider's that gave us names to categorize the related people. People from benin republic call us Anago which I hear is also derogatory.

ElsonMorali:


It is possible that the name was meant to be derogatory, but I so much doubt it.

Why would a people gladly bear a name which is derogatory when they weren't slaves?

The first instinct If you were called a derogatory name would be to feel offended.

The next logical step wouldn't be to adopt that name proudly.

Olu317:
YARUBA DYNASTY WAS ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT FROM YORUBA/JOROBAM...I KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE YA'RU BA DYNASTY (QAHATAN) WHICH CHASED AWAY THE ISRAELITE FROM YEMEN AND KILLED THE JEWISH RULER. YORUBA OF NIGERIA WILL NEVER BEAR A NAME IF THE YORUBA WERE FOUGHT AGAINST AND THEIR LEADER WAS KILLED. CAN YOU AS A HUMAN BEINGS ACCEPT TO BE CALLED THE NAME OF YOUR OPPRESSORS? FORGET YOUR TRANSLATION. YORUBA LANGUAGE IS MODERN.

baby124:

Yoruba is derogatory. It means stubborn or thuggish or troublesome. Maybe because we were always at war at the time. Yoruba's within themselves always went by their sub group name. Like Ijesha, Ekiti, Ijebu and so on. It's outsider's that gave us names to categorize the related people. People from benin republic call us Anago which I hear is also derogatory.

Olu317:
YARUBA DYNASTY WAS ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT FROM YORUBA/JOROBAM...I KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE YA'RU BA DYNASTY (QAHATAN) WHICH CHASED AWAY THE ISRAELITE FROM YEMEN AND KILLED THE JEWISH RULER. YORUBA OF NIGERIA WILL NEVER BEAR A NAME IF THE YORUBA WERE FOUGHT AGAINST AND THEIR LEADER WAS KILLED. CAN YOU AS A HUMAN BEINGS ACCEPT TO BE CALLED THE NAME OF YOUR OPPRESSORS? FORGET YOUR TRANSLATION. YORUBA LANGUAGE IS MODERN.