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Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by bigtt76(f): 10:10am On Apr 08, 2017 |
Useless CBN ...ar said it before that there's no way they can keep defending the Naira against the dollar obviously they just crashed it for a period to allow their families get enough for the forth coming summer holidays. Where are their injections naaaa |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by aribisala0(m): 10:11am On Apr 08, 2017 |
Billyonaire:I am totally indifferent to your existence and opinions. You simply are not relevant 1 Like |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by bigtt76(f): 10:14am On Apr 08, 2017 |
Very true @ embolden Billyonaire: |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by LionDeLeo: 10:14am On Apr 08, 2017 |
Billyonaire: If the president does this, then what exactly is the job of cbn? Do you know the number of agencies under ministries and by extension under the presidency? That ideal president must be super human. Dude, the president has ministers. Even the ministers have perm sec and directors, deputy directors and so on. If the directors have meetings with the minister, they get relevant information which may be necessary from each department. Same applies to ministers when holding a meeting with the president, they get relevant information which the president may require, that is how it works, not one superman get every details of what transpires every hour. Even the internet is not as busy as that. 2 Likes |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by Nobody: 10:27am On Apr 08, 2017 |
LionDeLeo: Hahahahaha You are a very funny dude. Do not tell me that you are serious with this question. CBN stands for Central Bank of Nigeria, and Buhari is the President of Nigeria, and Emefiele works for Nigeria and is under Buhari, while CBN is the banker's bank that warehouses all the funds under the Treasury Single Account. Every Ministry and Parastatal has the responsibility of documenting all their tasks and each Government parastatal MUST have a server and a back-up. The Presidency should have a command center where all servers are located with yet a Command portal to see the summary of every funds recovered daily. Common men, you guys need to start studying. No wonder the country has failed. No business succeeds without documentation. There are turnkey modules tailored for Management of information of these nature and I do not want to sound too condescending on you, but the idea that a President can not access all these informations daily shows that you are still equipped with the paper and biro mentality in this day and age. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by chinedu234(m): 10:27am On Apr 08, 2017 |
naijaking1:This is the type of intervention that makes me realise that we still have some hope for this nation. But the question is where is the strategic plan by the government to turn us into an exporting nation? Don't we need to make handbills and flyers for the populace instead of allowing the citadels of laziness and lousiness in the name of worship centres dominating the entire space? Let us hope that our people will continue to think in this direction. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by davidif: 10:33am On Apr 08, 2017 |
aribisala0: What is he saying again? I told you earlier that when the central bank intervenes in the market to appreciate the value of the naira they have to sell dollars to buy naira in the open market which I said is unsustainable because we would run out of dollars eventually. So I said the Fed govt needs to stop intervening and trying to fix the exchange rate (setting it to the dollar) and let the market determine the value of the naira instead. How hard is all of This? |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by LionDeLeo: 10:34am On Apr 08, 2017 |
Billyonaire: You mean this command and control center had been there and pmb dismantled it? 2 Likes |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by BiafraIShere(m): 10:35am On Apr 08, 2017 |
zedman1:You dont understand, there are people who benefits when dollar rises, its like a pay rise to them. People that earn directly in dollars eg bloggers, freelancers etc. I also personally recieve the news with mixed feelings. What CBN is doing is akin to living in a fool's paradise, you cant use precious foriegn reserves to subsidize dollars which will in turn encourage unbridled imports, discourage exports and worse still deplete our vital reserves! I hope they wont abandon this policy anytime soon because if they do, which is more likely anyway, then the naira is going to crash massively and the impact on the economy can only be imagined. Personally, I'm not going to sell my dollars, regardless of how little it maybe because 3rd quarter of this year is going to be interesting! |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by davidif: 10:36am On Apr 08, 2017 |
musicwriter: I don't know what you are getting at but the job of the central bank is to control the money supply of there currency and you do that adjusting interest rates. That's how modern economies work. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by aribisala0(m): 10:46am On Apr 08, 2017 |
davidif:What do you mean by INTERVENE. How is intervention different from routine sales of oil receipts. What evidence do you have that there is any intent to influence rates or appreciate the naira? Has there ever been a time in recent history that the CBN DID NOT sell dollars every week? I don't see this as targeting the exchange rate at all but rather performing statutory duty and selling to legitimate buyers within available supply. It is only unsustainable if the sale exceeds receipts .Is that the case. Do you have the data. . ? If you have data of how much the CAN made in dollars in the last 3 month vs sales then share it.Otherwise you are engaged in alarmist speculation How can you talk about sustainability without data 1 Like |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by Nobody: 10:52am On Apr 08, 2017 |
LionDeLeo:I have no idea, I am not here to love or hate the President, I am loyal to none and I love my country. So run along and make assertions based on sentimental colorations. It is not my business, I have made my suggestions. If your Presidency cares about success of the country, they need to visit anonymous forums and read from people who love and hate them enough to say hurtful truths while being afraid enough to stay anonymous. Without Record Keeping, we plan to fail. I do not make that mistake. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by davidif: 10:59am On Apr 08, 2017 |
aribisala0: Oh my goodness! kilo tun so again (What is he saying again). Always conflating so many points trying to sound super intelligent. What does oil receipt have to do with anything? Gosh! There is nothing more annoying than arguing with someone who is more interested in winning an argument than learning. People like You are just not humble enough to admit that they don't know much about a subject they just start arguing for their prides sakes. Either way here is your evidence. http://www.dw.com/en/value-of-naira-plummets-after-nigeria-ends-dollar-peg/a-19343401 http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-a-currency-peg-2016-8 https://qz.com/564513/a-not-so-brief-history-of-the-fall-and-fall-of-the-nigerian-naira/ |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by musicwriter(m): 11:04am On Apr 08, 2017 |
davidif: Wait a minute!!. You're quoting all these economic jargons and you don't even know why central banks adjust interest rates? And you're talking about economics? Of course, you don't know the so called free market is just a term the world bank and IMF use whenever targeting a country to exploit. For your information, by adjusting interest rate, central banks regularly determine what rate commercial banks peg their borrowing and loan to the public at large. This immediately impacts the economy of that nation. In fact, when the US federal Reserve does that it affects the world. Adjusting interest rate is against the principle of free market as it could be used to cause artificial inflation or deflation, create demands, jobs, increase or decrease buying power, e.t.c. whatever the purpose. Free market my foot!!. 1 Like |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by aribisala0(m): 11:08am On Apr 08, 2017 |
davidif:Oil receipts are the source of dollar sales in the first instance in Nigeria and thereafter the CBN may resort to reserves. People like me? I see you are running out of ideas and now need to make it personal. I am totally irrelevant let the ideas battle for themselves. I am not interested in you or what kind do of person you are.We are talking about the Naira, I asked you for data on the sustainability or otherwise of the CBN so activities, I see you have no data and are merely guessing. I never open links such as you are throwing at me.If you have run out of ideas let us call it |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by davidif: 11:39am On Apr 08, 2017 |
musicwriter: Oh Lord have mercy! This is getting too much. First of all, Dr. Pseudo economist, this is the way central bank works. They have required reserves and excess reserves. Banks are required to deposit part of there money at the central bank (required reserves) and this is determined by the required ratio. The excess reserves are the cash reserves in excess of the required ratio that the bank voluntarily decides to keep with the central bank should they chose to. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bank-reserve.asp Secondly, the central bank adjust rates via something we call open market operations where they can control the money supply by either buying or selling govt securities. For example in Inflatiin (in technical terms? excess money supply in an economy), the govt tries to reduce the money supply by selling govt securities which in turn increases the interest rates. Thirdly, the central bank is the lender of last resort to banks What that means is that when ecobank is in trouble and no one wants to zenith does not want to lend them.money anymore because they dont have faith in them paying back there is no one else they can turn to except for the central bank. We saw this in the last financial crisis of 09 when the Fed reserve board in New York intervened to lend money to Bear Stearns an investment bank that was having serious troubles. Another control the central bank imposes on banks is that they should have a minimum deposits in there own accounts (different from the required reserves) at the end of the day and If they don't they usually have to borrow (at interest of course) from other banks. This things are out in place to ensure a stronger banking system as supposed to the old days when a little thing resulted in panics which cascaded and shut down the economies leading to recession. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/10/how-does-the-fed-raise-interest-rates.html All this controls are put in place so as to stabilize the fimancial system so.that it would not be vulnerable shocks and other market forces like back In the day. For example, the bank panic of 1907. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by Jesusloveyou: 11:42am On Apr 08, 2017 |
davidif:the same emefiele your ineffectual buffoon appointed is playing the same game he play under gej, if not for buhari hard stand, dollar would have be 1000 naira. You ipods were the same ipods applauding your ineffectual buffoon for wasting more than 10billion dollars from foreign reserve to defend naira, even when oil price was very high. And you ipods are now insulting and blaming buhari for doing the same with less than a billion dollars and also growing foreign reserve even when the oil price is very low. 3 Likes |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by being(m): 11:44am On Apr 08, 2017 |
While it might be true that the long term solutions for this dollar hike are related to activities and policies that reduce our import dependence and increase our foreign exchange earnings, the truth is that even with the current poor fundamentals, the true value of the dollar isn't 450, it isn't 400!! What CBN is trying to do is simply to bring down d dollar to its true value. I would like to think this is around 350. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by Reference(m): 11:45am On Apr 08, 2017 |
Is there anything left to say I have not said before. Can't continue to repeat this things time and again. Nigerians are just mentally unfit for the kind of country they want to live in. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by davidif: 11:53am On Apr 08, 2017 |
aribisala0: Like I did earlier, I presented you with links (including data) with which you can learn more but you are not interested so there is no point debating anymore. If there is one thing I have learnt is that no good comes from arguing with someone who is ignorant and doesn't know it. Or worse of all, someone who is close minded and refuses to learn anything that might challenge there world view simply because they think they know it all. That is a fatal combination of stubborness and arrogance which is a waste of time so good day to you sir. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by davidif: 11:57am On Apr 08, 2017 |
Jesusloveyou:First of all, I am not ipod. Secondly, your name says "jesuslovesyou" I doubt you are spreading Christ love calling someone a buffoon. That's hypocrisy at it's worst. Thirdly, I am not a fan of Jonathan so I have no clue what you are talking about. 1 Like |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by aribisala0(m): 12:02pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
davidif:The starting premise is you are right and others are wrong.You r links are just blogs or otherwise irrelevant ,to me they are worse than useless .I asked you for data which you don't have and now you resort to the fallacy of self superiority. Please address the questions. Have you got data to show that the policy is not sustainable? Yes or No? |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by Mrmoz(m): 12:07pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
Nick4life: Yes you are u ought to be praying for country not hope things get worst for ur own gain |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by AbuEzeFemi(m): 12:09pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
unfortunately this is one if the lows of the Buhari administration |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by Reference(m): 12:09pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
Dottore: Then you are not a very brilliant person. You could have just waited for the assailant to run out of bullets as he fired wastefully away. Next time look at the fundamentals. Has the oil price appreciated significantly, no. Has government expenditure (waste) reduced significantly, no. Has the government evolved diverse income, no. Has government been able to attract serious FDI, no. Then why are you selling instead of buying. Isn't it obvious even to a dummy that the naira rise was woefully unsustainable and that it was just a political ruse and an opportunity for high level government theft through currency round tripping. That economic fundamentals may have just improved by an inch but the naira was subsidized by a mile. Now 'Team Toothpick' importers have arisen like the elephant grass at the scent of the new rainy season and they will be a thorn in the nation's economy going forward. Nigeria is like a malaria or tuberculosis patient who will not take his medications seriously. The result is intransigent poverty and economic damage. Reforms are painful whether we like them or not. What we abuse the likes of the IMF for is what we have to face to survive. And whether we like it or not a weak naira is the only way to drag a stubborn, lazy Nigerian to diversify and produce stuff. Go to any major city of Nigeria and find all roads and highways dotted with 'shops'. Few make, everyone sells. That is poverty on display. I have said it time and again. Nigeria needs a socio-economic overhaul, a renaissance where restructuring is complimented by sound free market policies of which the free exchange of the naira is compulsory. Government has no business setting the rate of the naira when its share of the economy is in the minority. Nigerians have much more money that all of government. Why should government dictate how much the naira trades for. This is the sad result. 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by AbuEzeFemi(m): 12:15pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
Truth234: |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by Reference(m): 12:21pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
Mrmoz: Praying for what exactly.....well your attempt at getting some of us livid won't work this weekend. I am determined to rest and have a swell time. Then face the week where a whole raft of new price hikes await my firm. This is what we say. Instead of biting the bullet, floating the naira, taking the inflation whole and stabilising after a few months, the government prefers a slow agonizing cancerous demise by this continual instability. We told them about fuel subsidy, they refused to listen, now naira subsidy. After wasting billions in reserve, we are back to square one. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by musicwriter(m): 12:22pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
davidif: This doesn't deserve a reply, cause you're obviously talking something else. What I pointed out is "interest rate and central banks" not other duties of central banks. I wanted to inform you how that violates the principles of free market which you hold dear. Go to Google and search "why do central banks adjust interest rate?". Alternatively, read this link by bank of England where the question was answered http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetarypolicy/Pages/how.aspx I' am out. 1 Like |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by davidif: 1:08pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
musicwriter: I know why central banks adjust interest rates but i have no clue what that has to do with Emiefiele continuing the disastrous policy of pegging the naira to the dollar but either way, I have no time to argue. Oh and by the way, you are a freaking conspiracy theorists that's why I couldn't take you seriously enough cos you dont have credibility because folks like you see what you want to see. You selwctove look for facts rhat support your suspicions instead of challenging them. And you guys believe in some stupid pathetic grand conspiracy to keep Naija down which is completely dumb. |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by st012: 1:14pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
check below |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by occam(m): 5:05pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
Reference: I like your analogy (bold) This CBN has no clue how to manage the economy. China with over $3 trillion in foreign reserve continues to increase their coffers, yet Nigeria with a meagre $30 billion is using it to subsidize parents sending their children to schools abroad. Go figure! This policy is very dysfunctional and smells of corruption. Exchanging nearly $2 billion at subsidized rate (370) for invisible (BTA, school fees), when real rate is 410, is an "implicit tax" on productive sectors of the economy and other people not benefiting from this corrupt driven policy. Any Government attempting to defer the FX market eventually fails. When speculators smell blood, the CBN will quickly back off this policy of trying to keep naira value at a fixed rate. Let the market determine naira rate. Period. We focus on policies to increase local production and export of goods. Anything else, is just hoping for magic to turn the economy around. 1 Like |
Re: Naira Slides To 405/$ Amid Tight Dollar Supply by mikolo80: 10:57pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
dayus444:importing toothpick 56 years after Independence, voting for rice sharers and bbn while fire on the montane. of course they know we are fools |
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