I do not think it will work.I mean how will you categorize a kogi yoruba?Southern nigeria or northern nigerian?

Where will the capital be?Certainly not in the yoruba or igbo dominated areas.

real4life:

You are also guilty of this. My original questions are not being answered, only short comments like this one are being made and I am duly responding to avoid being misquoted.

For the avoidance of doubt, I do not condone killings of July 1966, January 1966, or any other killing.

Guilty of what? No one is misquoting you as you responded differently to the killings based on the victims and that was what I pointed out.

How do you all propose to reorganize the millitary after this new country is actualized? Will the Navy and all its current resources be garnished by the Republic of South Nigeria?

What about the Nigerian Army and Airforce, how do we share all the weaponry, armunition, and other resources?

Let's hear your ideas.

ndu_chucks:

How do you all propose to reorganize the millitary after this new country is actualized? Will the Navy and all its current resources be garnished by the Republic of South Nigeria?

What about the Nigerian Army and Airforce, how do we share all the weaponry, armunition, and other resources?

Let's hear your ideas.

We will only be interested in the attack helicopters, small arms and artillery; we will keep the Navy (the North has no use for it).
Most of the other weapons are very archaic and uninteresting.

It should be fairly straightforward to acquire very modern weapons. If the new weapons are very specialised and ultra modern, then they would initially be manned by foreigners and mecenaries. It would be better for us to immediately embrace IT based warfare systems like the rest of the modern World.
In our formative years, I would suggest that the country forms strategic military alliances, so that the borders will remain secure.

YES OH. THE PROBLEM OF NIGERIA STARTED WHEN HE NRTH WAS JOINED TO THE SOUTH.
EVIL, UNEDUCATED BARBARIC SAVAGES WERE JOINED TO DECENT HUMANBEINGS

Afam:

I really don't understand you my friend, you seem to be taking sides regardless of the facts on ground and that is unfortunate.

Someone accused the Igbos of not voting for a Yoruba candidate even when there was an Igbo vice presidential candidate in the same election and Mekusxxx brought evidence to dispel such lie. The accuser refused to address the exposed lie and all you can say is for them to stop acting like others and still encourage them to stick to facts.

It seems you prefer facts when they suits you and discard them when they don't. Can we be more consistent here in what we believe and preach?

I am not taking sides; my comment is not with regards to their debate about igbo voting for yoruba. I am merely asking them to stop making general statements about other tribes in manners similar to such displayed by Mekusxxxx and wilywily. I am making an effort at driving down tribalistic and counter productive mud-slinging. I am yet to witness you asking the same of mekus.

Beaf:

We will only be interested in the attack helicopters, small arms and artillery; we will keep the Navy (the North has no use for it).
Most of the other weapons are very archaic and uninteresting.

It should be fairly straightforward to acquire very modern weapons. If the new weapons are very specialised and ultra modern, then they would initially be manned by foreigners and mecenaries. It would be better for us to immediately embrace IT based warfare systems like the rest of the modern World.
In our formative years, I would suggest that the country forms strategic military alliances, so that the borders will remain secure.

If this will be your response to the remaining parts of Nigeria, I'm afraid it will not be satisfactory to them. You need to go back to the drawing board and come up with specifics that would be attractive enough to those affected to enable them to part peacefully.

@asha80.kogi and kwara are hypocrites that will sabotage the south.they should join ''their fellow fulanis'' in the north.it is strictly south-east,south-south and south-west.

Afam:

I really don't understand you my friend, you seem to be taking sides regardless of the facts on ground and that is unfortunate.

Someone accused the Igbos of not voting for a Yoruba candidate even when there was an Igbo vice presidential candidate in the same election and Mekusxxx brought evidence to dispel such lie. The accuser refused to address the exposed lie and all you can say is for them to stop acting like others and still encourage them to stick to facts.

It seems you prefer facts when they suits you and discard them when they don't. Can we be more consistent here in what we believe and preach?

Thanks Afam, for noticing. It is evident that Katsumoto is a covert bigot. How then can you form a country with people like that? Igbos cannot jump from one fry pan (Hausa) to another (Yoruba).

An ideal workable option:

Republic of southern Nigeria with capital in Benin (reasonably central and devoid of domination by the two major ethnic groups in the south)
Regional capitals in Enugu, Ibadan and Calabar
Regional economic capitals in Lagos, Onitsha/Nnewi and Port Harcourt
Rotational presidency after 2 terms of 3 years. To be constitutionalized
Dead or incapacitated president to be replaced by person from same region (to be contitutionalized)
No states: three regions only-SW,SS and SE (or whetever)
Each region can divide their region as they deem fit. No federal allocation to sub-divisions, however.
50%-75% resource control; 50%-25% to the fed govt.
no quota system in employment and educational opportunities

Mekusxyz:

Thanks Afam, for noticing. It is evident that Katsumoto is a covert bigot. How then can you form a country with people like that? Igbos cannot jump from one fry pan (Hausa) to another (Yoruba).

It is must be lonely being a world renowned tribalist right, now that Nchara has left you all alone. Telling you directly that you a bigot does not imply I am a tribalist. Your recent attempt at making less incendiary posts is as a result of my direct attack on you. No one in their right minds will ever group you and I together.

ndu_chucks:

If this will be your response to the remaining parts of Nigeria, I'm afraid it will not be satisfactory to them. You need to go back to the drawing board and come up with specifics that would be attractive enough to those affected to enable them to part peacefully.

Are you implying that the North has nothing but violence to offer? How can a prospective country with low GDP want to engage in war? Na suicide be dat.

I don't understand why a deal that is 100% to the benefit of the North will be unsatisfactory; you get to keep practically the whole army. We will only be interested attack helicopters, small arms and artillery and the Navy. The North can keep the whole airforce; we will get ultra modern shoulder fired anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles until our own airforce has been built.
What will be satisfactory, giving the North the whole of current weaponry? Or will our forming foreign pacts to secure our borders be such a scary prospect?

Katsumoto:

It is must be lonely being a world renowned tribalist right, now that Nchara has left you all alone. Telling you directly that you a bigot does not imply I am a tribalist. Your recent attempt at making less incendiary posts is as a result of my direct attack on you. No one in their right minds will ever group you and I together.

My mission is clear here: if I am now making less incendiary remarks, it follows that your people the offenders, have done same. If they resume, I am all out again to defend myself and mine. Notice (you will claim you did not see it) the thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-374031.0.html created by Olu (in the Tribalism section) and the fireworks that followed. You are a fo-ol to even deny your crass tribalistic tendencies. As you have seen, even hundred of your type cannot stop me when your people offend and I go on the defense. Take that to the bank.

Mekusxyz:

An ideal workable option:

Republic of southern Nigeria with capital in Benin (reasonably central and devoid of domination by the two major ethnic groups in the south)
Regional capitals in Enugu, Ibadan and Calabar
Regional economic capitals in Lagos, Onitsha/Nnewi and Port Harcourt
Rotational presidency after 2 terms of 3 years. To be constitutionalized
Dead or incapacitated president to be replaced by person from same region (to be contitutionalized)
No states: three regions only-SW,SS and SE (or whetever)
Each region can divide their region as they deem fit. No federal allocation to sub-divisions, however.
50%-75% resource control; 50%-25% to the fed govt.
no quota system in employment and educational opportunities

Well done, very workable.

A couple of minor observations, I believe you limit growth by specifying economic capitals, business and trade will naturally flow to the most conducive environment.
The only other suggestion is that you move to 1 term of 5 years because our people haven't come to terms with losing elections after the first term. That way you get 1 shot and no return.

The north is being allowed to keep Abuja, which should help them to develop their economy.

One thing that must be avoided is rotational presidency. When will we learn to elect people based on merit? If we have rotational presidency then it will be harder for the southern region to full unite.  Rotational presidency prevents the right person for the country to come out at a specific moment in time.

I would only agree to having a rotational presidency, if it would be for a short while the infrastructure needed to allow all people in the south to be able to watch debates on t.v. and for the candidates to campaign in various places so that people can hear what they have to offer.

There should still be states, but have a more decentralized federal govt. so that that states will have more control of their destiny in their hands. This also means that the revenue that will be split for the states will be larger than that for the FG.

As for the military, the south will keep the navy, the north can have the airforce, but the military weapony needs to be split. The nigerian military isn't that sophisticated anyway, so i don't think it will be difficult for the south to develop a stronger military and weaponry.

Having an economic city in the south-west, southeast/southsouth, and then having the capital somewhere in the center will really allow for a mixing of the population because people will have options about where they want to go in order to try to make it big.

Mekusxyz:

My mission is clear here: if I am now making less incendiary remarks, it follows that your people the offenders, have done same. If they resume, I am all out again to defend myself and mine. Notice (you will claim you did not see it) the thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-374031.0.html created by Olu (in the Tribalism section) and the fireworks that followed. You are a fo-ol to even deny your crass tribalistic tendencies. As you have seen, even hundred of your type cannot stop me when your people offend and I go on the defense. Take that to the bank.

I was the one that reported that thread to Kosovo but he didn't delete. Instead he moved it to the tribalism section. You can confirm with Kosovo, he will back me up on that. I have opened only one thread on this forum and I questioned the basis of having a tribalism section.

So if one Yoruba guys opens a thread attacking Igbos, you will retaliate on behalf of all Igbos? You are so clever and mature.

Katsumoto:

I am not taking sides; my comment is not with regards to their debate about igbo voting for yoruba. I am merely asking them to stop making general statements about other tribes in manners similar to such displayed by Mekusxxxx and wilywily. I am making an effort at driving down tribalistic and counter productive mud-slinging. I am yet to witness you asking the same of mekus.

You are taking sides because you always side the guys I accused you of siding while calling on mekusxxx and Wilywily to stop.

My position on tribal and ethnic issues is very clear and you are correct you won't see me siding with anyone while asking others (who are probably non Igbos) to stop because I always ask everyone to avoid tribal issues not just supporting some and blaming others.

Katsumoto & Afam. Please stop.

Sometimes in life you agree to disagree and move on. This is one of those times.

Thank you

Mekusxyz:

An ideal workable option:

Republic of southern Nigeria with capital in Benin (reasonably central and devoid of domination by the two major ethnic groups in the south)
Regional capitals in Enugu, Ibadan and Calabar
Regional economic capitals in Lagos, Onitsha/Nnewi and Port Harcourt
Rotational presidency after 2 terms of 3 years. To be constitutionalized
Dead or incapacitated president to be replaced by person from same region (to be contitutionalized)
No states: three regions only-SW,SS and SE (or whetever)
Each region can divide their region as they deem fit. No federal allocation to sub-divisions, however.
50%-75% resource control; 50%-25% to the fed govt.
no quota system in employment and educational opportunities

This is actually a good idea. Very workable. Any "South Nigeria" with the capital in Igbo or Yoruba dominated area is unacceptable (No room for the condescending WAZOBIA nonsense). Also like Sapeleguy stated, you only get 5 yrs to make a difference, after that you have to step aside, no more "second term" . The name "Nigeria" should be dropped and replaced with something else, as long as it has no connection to Igbo or Yoruba.

I am strictly bent on the Republic of Igbo land that will encompass the territories stretching from Abaomaga to Igwe Ocha Mbara Ama/Igwenga and from Agbor to Arochukwu.

However, the Igbo republic will still be open to discussion of merger with Ibibio, Ogoni, Annang, Atama, Ogoja, Ijaw of old River states and Idoma of Benue state. If the aforementioned groups could not reach mutual agreement to form united sovereign nation, Ndigbo should forge ahead with the declaration of Republic of Igbo land.

I am not sold to the idea of Republic of South Nigeria.

ndu_chucks:

How do you all propose to reorganize the millitary after this new country is actualized? Will the Navy and all its current resources be garnished by the Republic of South Nigeria?

What about the Nigerian Army and Airforce, how do we share all the weaponry, armunition, and other resources?

Let's hear your ideas.

We shall borrow some leaves from Gowon when he declared that all serving soldiers should return to their regions of origin. The new countires shall keep the weapons stationed in its domain.

ndu_chucks:

Katsumoto, Jubril Aminu's thinking has nothing whatsoever with my questions.  My questions were designed to make people think of practical ways of accomplishing the so-called Federal Republic of South Nigeria.

As a practical matter, the South Nigeria republic cannot exist in the manner you described above without the North being defeated in another civil war. Note that the ports and off-shore resources were developed by instruments collectively owned by Nigeria - all regions of Nigeria.   A negotiated sharing of those resources is the only thing that could work, in my view, without a war.  

Trust me, the North will never agree to the scenario you described without a war. The question is, are we ready for another civil war? If not, honest negotiations are the only way out.

Please don't talk rubbish. When Ethiopia parted company with Eritrea, The Eritreans took their ocean/port with them and Ethiopia being landlocked now import all their stuff from the ports of neighbouring Djibouti as Eritrea totally refused them to use their port any any rate.

asha 80:

I do not think it will work.I mean how will you categorize a kogi yoruba?Southern nigeria or northern nigerian?

Where will the capital be?Certainly not in the yoruba or igbo dominated areas.

States that categorise themselves as Northern can only be described as Northern. Also, any place with an Emir will fall under the North.

The tricky areas I see are Benue, Plateau and Taraba; these areas are very unlikely to want to hang out with a Northern country. So, I think we should possibly be looking at Benue, Plateau and Taraba; perhaps, Southern Kaduna and the Abuja area.

EmperorOlu:

Correction Katsumoto ,ONDO has Oil and one of the  largest deposit of bitumen in the world

Oil deposit has also been found in Ogun state recently:

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nta90408.htm

So the Oduas will have nothing to worry about

It is funny that in one of your recent post, you were asking someone if Ijaws wanted to go with Biafra. But here you are claiming that Ondo has oil but forgetting that the oil Ondo has is only Obasanjo/Irikife’s 1978 boundary adjustment miracle of carving out a chunk of Ijaw and thrown them into Ondo and overnight Ondo become an oil producing state.

Odua republic is simply 100% Yoruba nation, so Ijaw man will not be with you when the time comes, so your claim of Ondo oil exist only in the present cooked Nigeria demarcations, it’s either they be on their own in a greater Niger Delta or they form a willing marriage with you or we Biafra, but we will prefer not to have the Ijaw ever again in the same country.

Eziachi:

Please don't talk rubbish. When Ethiopia parted company with Eritrea, The Eritreans took their ocean/port with them and Ethiopia being landlocked now import all their stuff from the ports of neighbouring Djibouti as Eritrea totally refused them to use their port any any rate.

Your emotional outbursts are not going to help you in negotiating this new nation.  I am not talking rubbish as you stated. Please note that Eritrea took the ocean/ports by force and that Eritrea became a nation as a result of war.  I thought people were brainstorming on ways to form this new nation through negotiations. Try to keep this fact in mind and please control your emotions.

You either negotiate or secede and face another war.

Dede1:

We shall borrow some leaves from Gowon when he declared that all serving soldiers should return to their regions of origin. The new countires shall keep the weapons stationed in its domain.

Will this new nation be open to joint security arrangements at all?  A type of arrangement that will protect all regional parties involved(the new southern nation plus the other northern nations) from invasion by foreign forces or is this out of the question?

Obinoscopy:

I'm beginning to think you are one of the racists

You haven't seen anything yet,maybe you are new to NAIRALAND politics section. The guy SEFAGO has a grand title to his name here. He is the R*PE APOLOGIST. He is the one that claimed that all the Biafran women R*PE by some Nigerian soldies deserved it and also claimed that in a war, anything is legal including R*PE.
And promised him that I will always remind him that that statement till the end of his days.

Beaf:

States that categorise themselves as Northern can only be described as Northern. Also, any place with an Emir will fall under the North.

The tricky areas I see are Benue, Plateau and Taraba; these areas are very unlikely to want to hang out with a Northern country. So, I think we should possibly be looking at Benue, Plateau and Taraba; perhaps, Southern Kaduna and the Abuja area.

I don't think it matters much how many states on the northern boarder under current configuration ultimately joins the southern Nigeria republic. In the US, only 13 states (then called colonies) formed the union: New York, New Hampshire, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. Today, the US has 50 states.

I have always harped on the fact that Nigeria was not properly founded hence all these problems we face today. Let us first restrict the founding membership to the three southern geopolitical regions. When we complete the founding negotiation and have established a sustainable progressive constitution, any northern state that wants to join will only need to ratify the constitution on a take it or leave it basis. I believe that the key to the success of the whole project lies in the ingenuity of the constitution itself. We must not be in a hurry and it must be an exhaustive and sophisticated constitution worthy of a 21 century country.

I think it is time to start a "tea party" movement in the south. I bet you we can have a country of our dreams in about 2 or 3 years time.

sjeezy8:

Yorubas arent sell outs because they dont have an agreement with the any tribe or region.

One there will never be an arewa republic because of the norths dependence on ND oil. Even sultan of sokoto wouldnt want that.

Two why would any sensible yoruba join Federal Republic Of South Nigeria with those who have anti yoruba sentiments in them? When have the East and West ever agreed on anything?

Yorubas voted for olu falae, the East voted for Obasanjo
Yorubas voted for Mko abiola, the east voted for Bashir Tofa
Yorubas voted for Awo, the East voted for Zik
Abacha killed and imprisoned many promninent yorubas, Ojuwku befriended Abacha

Three Federal Republic Of South Nigeria is a joke as if the East or west wont try and secede on their own.
Im being realistic

Do often digest what you write before you post it. So on three different elections Ndigbo has voted a Yoruba, an Igbo and a northerner and in those occasions, Yorubas has always voted just a Yoruba, so what does that tell you about the two groups?
So how can a nation that always voted for it’s kind ever have a trusted relationship with any person? What is tribalism to you?
And for your information, Abiola WAS ALMOST NECK AND NECK with Tofa in the majority votes in the East. That show how bigoted you can go to support you bigoted ideas by making false claims.

If Ojukwu, according to your intellect befriended Abacha, so it didn’t occur to you that:
Oladipo Diya: Abacha’s 2nd in command
Bode Geroge, Momuni Olori, A.K Adisa, Onolakpo Soloye- Abacha kitchen cabinet.
Olu Onagorowa: Abacha Attorney General
Lateef Jakande: Abacha’s minister
Dapo Sarumi: Abacha’s minister
Alhaji Aloa Arisokola: Abacha’s chief money Launderer
Alhaji Mudashiru: The supplier of Kudirath movement to her killers
Oni of Ife: Led many delegation to Abacha to tell him God was behind his leadership/ June 12 an act of God.

Should I go on?

Pay attention to rafter in your eyes before pointing a a leaf on someone else’s.

Onlytruth:

I don't think it matters much how many states on the northern boarder under current configuration ultimately joins the southern Nigeria republic. In the US, only 13 states (then called colonies) formed the union: New York, New Hampshire, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. Today, the US has 50 states.

I have always harped on the fact that Nigeria was not properly founded hence all these problems we face today. Let us first restrict the founding membership to the three southern geopolitical regions. When we complete the founding negotiation and have established a sustainable progressive constitution, any northern state that wants to join will only need to ratify the constitution on a take it or leave it basis. I believe that the key to the success of the whole project lies in the ingenuity of the constitution itself. We must not be in a hurry and it must be an exhaustive and sophisticated constitution worthy of a 21 century country.

Sounds like a brilliant way forward.

Onlytruth:

I think it is time to start a "tea party" movement in the south. I bet you we can have a country of our dreams in about 2 or 3 years time.

Amin!

becomrich;:

Mekusxyz  what your point. you have none. Tofa is the only man . Ok. list the number of yoruba people that have won Igbo compare to northerner. It tell you were they belong.  The issue go beyoud vice president for the igbos. So you feel igbos are second hand cloth. That is what have kill nigeria till today.

Igbo voted massively for Abiola in 1993, Obasanjo in 1999, and Tofa in 1993, to you that are not enough. What you should have tell us, is any election that the Yoruba nation had voted massively for a non-Yoruba when their own is a candidate in that election? The answer is none and never.

In 1979 all members or 100% of Lagos, Ogun, Ondo, Oyo houses of assembly are UPN because they considered it a Yoruba party.
However, in Imo house of assembly, NPP has the majority, but NPN has substantive number, GNPP has five members, UPN 2 and PRP 1.
In addition, Anambra was 60%-40percentage between NPP and NPN.

If you wanted practice democracy, which of the parts will dream to practices it? The one that one party won 100 percent or the one that is evenly mixed? Its funny, people are accusing PDP of introducing one party system, but we knew where it originated.