DoctorAlien:
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).

“Sunday is our mark of authority… the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923).

Syncan, what do you have to say?

DoctorAlien:
In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read: Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the
Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her!
—Rev. Peter Geiermann,
C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.

Syncan, what do you have to say?

DoctorAlien:
James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day -Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes . Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!

"Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"


Syncan, what do you have to say?

Syncan:




Correct! Council of laodicea (363 AD), was held before council of Carthage (397 AD) which made only these collection of books the ones you call the bible. So if they were wrong at 363 AD, You think they became right at 397 AD ?

However note that, the council only made an official declaration on a practice that has been handed over to them by their fathers of faith, as can be seen in earlier writings.

DoctorAlien:


The catholic church didn't write the Bible. They just collected the books written by inspired men of GOD together. And even if they did not collect them together, the Scriptures would somehow still be available to the people of GOD. So, we didn't accept the books of the Bible because the catholic church prescribed them: we accepted them because we know their authors were inspired by GOD(2 Tim. 3:16).

analice107:

No, i go to church on sunday. will be in Church tomorrow, why?

Syncan:


hahaha, don't make me laugh. various books were used at various places in christendom, one of such books was the Epistle of Barnabas, it was used by christians and quoted by some fathers of faith, but the Catholic Church decided not to include it in the Canons in (393-397AD). Where did the Catholic Church get such powers from?

Let me give you a bit of history. When the canons were being collected, one church father Eusebius (C 324) wrote this: "Let there be placed among the spurious works the Acts of Paul, the so-called Shepherd and the Apocalypse of Peter, and besides these the Epistle of Barnabas, and what are called the Teachings of the Apostles, and also the Apocalypse of John, if this be thought proper; for as I wrote before, some reject it, and others place it in the canon."

Did you notice the books he mentioned, these are books used in parts of Christendom as Inspired, some people agree to some and others rejected some. Example is the Acts of paul, which contained the "third epistle of Paul to the Corinthians", this book was accepted as canon in the eastern church (church in syria), another is the apocalypse of John (revelations) which some rejected. As a matter of fact, as early as (287AD), Dionysius, bishop of Alexandria, believed the book of revelations was written by another person probably Cerinthius. So who gave the Catholic Church the Power to pick and choose, finally come out with what you have now ; then Command that you regard the rest as non canons, and why did you accept their decision? Why did you accept that second timothy that you quoted is canon, but third Corinthians is not?

Papist:

You are talking Church history to someone whose sect was invented in 19th century America. He will obviously play down the role that the Catholic Church played in canonising Christian scripture because accepting this Catholic authority is damaging to his beliefs. So in a way there is cognitive dissonance going on here.

Syncan:

Curiosity...just to know how far you've "deviated" from Scripture.
A happy Lord's day to you.

analice107:

No sir, still deep in the scripture.

Happy Resurrection.

Syncan:


Ah with Sunday worship? ...*in DoctorAlien's voice* You must be joking.

Syncan:

There is no indication that the apostles continued in the keeping of the Sabbath.

Syncan:

They were very conscious of separating their religion from Judaizers. The Epistle to the Galatians was focused upon refuting Judaizing, since many Gentile Christians had fallen prey to the heresy.

Syncan:


Yes. The Authority of the church with she removed the burden of circumcision on gentiles...

zionmade:

So explain why he harvested a corn on sabath wen d commandment says dnt do anything farm on sabath?
Explain wat rom 7:4 mmeans wen it says dat we are dead to d law.
Explain wat rom 3:27-28 means.

And for ur last verse John 3:16 made it clear (for whosoever believeth in me should not perish) did u see doeth d law there?
What was paul talking about in rom 8:3

D only commandment from Jesus dat i know of is Serve d lord with all ur heart, and love ur neighbor as urself. Do u know any other one?

zionmade2:
All those things u listed there were repeated in d new testament apart from d sabath day.
And apart from No 1 and d sabath, d rest Jesus said are summarized by "love ur neighbor as urself" and if u look well dat is d summary. So i said it before only two things are required from a Christian. Serve d Lord and love ur neighbors as urself
Now explain to me d meaning of those two chapters and stop running away

DoctorAlien:
Jesus summarized the whole law into "Love for GOD" and "Love for man". How do you love GOD?

Do you know that you will be judged by the 10 Commandments? (James 2:12; 1:25; Psa. 19:7)

Splinz:


Wrong. Your church or any other one has no such powers. Circumcision still remaineth and a Christian is also circumcised.

However, its mode of administration was removed/changed from physical to spiritual (Romans 2:29), and the changer of this mode is God Himself who circumcised us through His Spirit.

Or was it your church that gave us the Holy Spirit?

Splinz:


There is, in fact, many. Jesus having kept the Law, of course, the Sabbath inclusive (Matthew 5:17) and left us an example to follow in His steps (1 Peter 2:21), can't be said to have suddenly turned a blind eye to obvious lawlessness of His apostles, the very thing He delivered us from (Titus 2:14). Neither can it be say that an authorization was given by Him to the apostles, citing Matthew 18:18, to change laws and ordinance decreed by divine fiat. Matthew 18:18 must be kept solely on the context of “loosening and binding” that which is in complete harmony with the Law, not one that usurps God's prerogative. This is because, abandoning God's commandments in order to keep yours (Mark 7:8 ) simply amounts to “vain” worships (verse 7) and sin (1 John 3:4).

It may also interest you to know that attempting or “changing of set times and laws”, such as the Sabbath law established right at the very creation of man, blessed and sanctified—set apart from every other day (Genesis 2:3), is associated with Satan and his agents (Daniel 7:25).

Now, having said all these, lets see one of the many accounts that shows that the apostles did in fact, kept the Sabbath.

Paul kept the Sabbath

The account, ACTS 18:1-11 , is remarkable. It reveals that Paul worked during the week and kept the Sabbath—“every” Sabbath: “After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; and found a certain Jew named Aquila…with his wife Priscilla…and came unto them. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue EVERY SABBATH, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks [Gentiles]…and he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them” (vs. 1-4, 11). Eighteen months is equivalent to 78 weekly Sabbaths on which Paul taught God’s Word!

Verse 6 shows that the Jews became angry and, blaspheming, departed from Paul. This left him teaching Gentiles only—and yet he continued teaching them on the Sabbath! The argument that he met on the Sabbath to satisfy the Jews holds no water.

Paul taught both Jews and Gentiles each Sabbath. And he worked the other six days in accord with “Six days shall you labor, and do all your work.” If Paul was also observing Sunday, he would have been routinely violating the other aspect of the Sabbath command, having but five days to work.

Finally, notice that Acts 17:2 states that Paul, when in Thessalonica, “…as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures.” This was also a Gentile city.

The pattern is clear. Paul kept the Sabbath, meeting with and teaching brethren everywhere he went. Now consider what he instructed the Gentile Corinthians: “Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Christ” (I Cor. 11:1).



I do not know of what you mean by “Judaizing”— a phrase that reeks of loathsomeness and distancing of self from the Jews. If you think that you have a faith that is at variance with the Jews (true Jews), then you may as well re-examine your faith.

This re-examination becomes imperative in light of the fact that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22) and also that a Christian is a Jew (Romans 2:29). So then, claiming that keeping the Sabbath means “Judaizing” and must be rejected, also means and can be correctly say that you have no salvation. Yes, Jesus was/is a Jew! And if you can't identified with Him as a Jew, then you simply have no part in what belongs to the Jews!

PS: “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9).