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Churches Seems To Be More Successful by okgerald(m): 11:13pm On Jan 08, 2010 |
I have come to observe that in lagos and some other parts of the states i happen to travel to, churches seems to develop faster than mosques. A friend once invited me to her church(even though i took the pastor said with pinch of salt) and the ambiance was so nice. I wanted to invite her to my local mosque but was discouraged cos the place wasn't all that 'Behind'. Am aware that the most important thing is the message amongst other things but i think we need to work on our mosques to make them more inviting. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by AbuZola3(m): 11:45pm On Jan 08, 2010 |
Don't generalize, only a few mosques are not develop, in my place where i stay 95% of mosques are decorative and adorable |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by AbuZola3(m): 11:47pm On Jan 08, 2010 |
Wait a minute, did you say you attend church service |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by dominique(f): 10:50am On Jan 09, 2010 |
thats because most churches are interested in amassing wealth. . . wordly material wealth that Jesus preached against. the preachings from the pastor of the church on the street where i live are mostly on tithes and offerings.always reminding the members not to rob God and the church. heck, he even said children should pay tithes from their pocket money . i'm afraid materialism has taken a front seat to worship in most churches. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by Nobody: 12:24pm On Jan 09, 2010 |
Churches teaches love peace,repentance&forgiveness.These is all what God is about.God inturn strengthens his church&have made it to grow not only in Nigeria but d entire universe |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by AbuZola3(m): 1:23pm On Jan 09, 2010 |
Church is a business center |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by muhsin(m): 1:29pm On Jan 09, 2010 |
@Poster, Churches seem to be more successful because there are many of them or what? The beauty of building (church) or its number; or plethora of followers of a religion, etc does not make that religion to be true. I actually see no connection, or anything from that "observation" that could shake someone's belief about his faith and start asking nearly silly questions like this one. Stay calm and focussed; don't just be that succumbed. Its a pure bluff. Please forgive me if I am harsh. You can enlighten me on the point I miss. Thanks |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by isalegan2: 6:14am On Jan 10, 2010 |
Abu Zola: Salaam Aleikum, This wasn't addressed to me, but I have to answer in the affirmative. Yes, I have attended church services when invited by friends and family members who have (unfortunately) converted to born-again. On the whole, maybe half a dozen times. For me, it was educational, and as long as I do not stand up to make statements I absolutely do not believe, like, being born a sinner and God and man are one, etc., I don't see it as violative of my faith. Attending church never for one minute made me interested in switching to that side. On the contrary, it strenghtned my faith because I saw what I never want to be associated with: girls and women dancing around shaking their butts like they were at a party instead of a house of worship. What in the world! No offense to anyone if this is your way, but seriously, after the solemnity of salah, it was an experience to see that. As I said, there are people in my extended family who have changed to born-agains. This is not only affecting Islam, but even other traditinal Christian denominations. Even here in the USA, many Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran churches are full of older parishioners because there is a huge movement to the evangelical/pentecostal style of worship. It is not only in Nigeria and Africa. The desperation and hardship of life in many places may be contributing to this. To be perfectly frank, the style of worship in churches will attract many, compared to the serious disciplined way of muslim prayer. They get to talk in tongue and be demonstrative, and dance to live loud music and drums? Once the glamour wears off, and more people are fed-up with the constant harrassment to donate money they do not have, while news breaks about another super-rich preacher defrauding the commoners, there will be a shift back. Yes, "churches seem to be more successful," but things aren't always as they appear. NOTE: If there is a hadith or sunnah discouraging Muslims from attending a church service as a mere observer, I'd like to know it. I certainly don't pretend to be scholar in the deen, so I'm open to knowledge. Respectfully, I.G. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by zayhal(f): 5:05pm On Jan 11, 2010 |
isale_gan2: You have just hit the nail on the head. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by AbuZola3(m): 6:01pm On Jan 11, 2010 |
@isale- There are things that makes it abominable/church forbidden such as to go and receive blessing, healing but reason other than that is permissible |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by isalegan2: 3:31am On Jan 12, 2010 |
Abu Zola: Thank you for you reply. -Omo Isale-Gangan |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by MUNEER2(m): 1:47pm On Jan 12, 2010 |
@ Isale gan2 The reasons are more than that if you won't say I'm prying |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by alimat2(f): 2:05pm On Jan 12, 2010 |
isale_gan2: hmmmmmmmmm, omo isale gan-gan, eyin ti island @Topic, U as a Muslim u dnt have to compare the beauty of the church or the richness of the non Muslims with that of the mosque or the Muslims cos it is make to know that those that owns the world will definitely own it to its fullest nd with all its goodness and its riches and that the best of richness and goodness is in life afterdeath. One of the teaching of the holy Prophet is that this earth to Muslims is like that of a prison yard and to non-Muslim is a bed of roses and that paradise would be bed of roses for Muslims after death and prison yard for non Muslims.So u dnt hav to lose ur focus all u need is the message and follow the rules and laws of islam. That non Muslims are very successfully and most churches are beautiful shl not be a problem to Muslims but these days Muslims seems to compete and compare themselves with non Muslims in terms of richness. Mushims should NEVER think of richness in this world!!! |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by isalegan2: 3:54am On Jan 13, 2010 |
alimat 2: MUNEER2:Feel free to elaborate. Thanks. eta: Hope I'm not asking for trouble. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by okgerald(m): 8:55pm On Jan 14, 2010 |
Hi all , thanks for the reply, i am a muslim trying to build a solid relationship with my God. I Only made an observation and am happy for the sensible replies i got . And why would mushin tell me am asking a silly question? I only made an observation and have the right to discuss it on this forum. Afterall thats part of the reason we are lall here. To ask and to get replies. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by AbuZola3(m): 8:57pm On Jan 14, 2010 |
True |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by MUNEER2(m): 3:31pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
isale_gan2: Dearest Sister in Islam, I'm so grateful you are giving me a chance to express my view about your going to church Allow me to use your word 'elaborate' this in few steps Firstly, the Prophet SAW strongly warned us against taking christians and jews as our intimate friends, they'll never love you wholeheartedly until you practice what they practice, that's the reason why your friends have been inviting you to their sermon Secondly, have they ever followed you to the mosque to pray? We all know they won't, so, the answer is clear Thirdly, in one of the Hadith of the Prophet SAW, he said 'you shall be resurrected amongst the people you love most on earth', in another, he said, 'you shall be resurrected according to what you die on', you don't want to die in a church. . . I pray you won't Fourthly, the Prophet said, 'Our heart crumbles like a metal that is being rubbed against a concrete wall'. When you listen to what they have to say, your hatred for what they do reduces, and it's being replaced with likeness, and liking what they do will only lead you astray. Finally, I want you to remember that what makes someone to become a Kufar very rapidly is not participating in what they practice, but not condemning what they practice. . . So, it is better for you to spend your time over what you will neither be rewarded for, nor be punished for than spending it in the church I pray you understand my stand better than I've expressed, May ALLAH help increase you in faith Masallam |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by isalegan2: 11:29pm On Jan 17, 2010 |
MUNEER2: Wow. Thanks for taking the time. I really enjoy reading your post. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by babymi2(f): 12:46pm On Jan 18, 2010 |
Abu Zola: |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by muhsin(m): 5:51pm On Jan 18, 2010 |
@baby-mi, Even some exponents Christian aboard NL testified to that, I can recall. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by Jairzinho(m): 9:47am On Jan 21, 2010 |
isale_gan2 = Sensible Muslim |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by Deen4me(m): 3:55pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
@ isale_gan2 I saw propaganda videos about Sudan and Somalia being played. I saw a Nigerian preacher stand in front of a church in America proclaim how he cannot wait for the day America would take over Iraq and Afghanistan and a particular African country and compel its people to worship American's god, I am always impressed at the level of naivety we Nigerians display. This is just sad . Find below excerpts from a fatwa for the scenario being discussed "If your going to the church is just to show tolerance and lenience, then it is not permissible, but if it is done to call them to Islam and create opportunities for you to do so, and you will not be taking part in their worship and you are not afraid that you may be influenced by their beliefs or customs, then it is permissible." The full fatwa is available below http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/111832/churches |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by isalegan2: 1:58am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Deen4me: What did I do? |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by Deen4me(m): 2:55pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
Sorry for the mix up i was referring to your quote below about the pastor and urging US invade iraq etc I saw propaganda videos about Sudan and Somalia being played. I saw a Nigerian preacher stand in front of a church in America proclaim how he cannot wait for the day America would take over Iraq and Afghanistan and a particular African country and compel its people to worship American's god, |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by MUNEER2(m): 11:29pm On Jan 23, 2010 |
isale_gan2:Dearest Sister in Islam Please, check up this verses in the Qur'an, I'll strongly advice you use a Tafsir for adequate understanding of the interpretation 'cos i can't really type right now and you can possibly get back to me for your conclusion. . . (Q2:120, Q3:28, Q4:129 and 144) Thanks I'm sure my brother Deen4me has convinced you a lot, Salam |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by ayinba1(f): 1:37am On Jan 25, 2010 |
@isale I think what some posters are trying to point out to you is that, even though you say going to the church has not been an issue for you, or having close non muslim friends has not bothered you (my own interpretation, of course), it is not advisable to persist in these acts. We as muslims (should) continually strive to be better in our deen. Especially for something mentioned in the Quran, I will give an extra effort to comply. We are not perfect but the aim is to strive for perfection. As a male (again, my assumption), do you not see anything wrong in observing "worship" as described by you in the churches? (Note, I've been there, done that). I pray that Allah grants you more understanding. The churches are built for what they are built for and NO, you do not need any ritual to come into the mosque as a non muslim. Just observe the primary etiquette of removing your shoes, dressing modestly and covering your hair(females). U should invite some of your non muslim friends. |
Re: Churches Seems To Be More Successful by AbuZola3(m): 11:23am On Jan 25, 2010 |
@ayinba, i like ur zeal |
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