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Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by modaink333: 12:33pm On May 14, 2017 |
rossyc:Sister Lucia, the third visionary, lived much longer, dying in 2005 at the age of 97. The Church is currently examining documents and collecting testimonies for her beatification cause. 3 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by obayaya(m): 12:34pm On May 14, 2017 |
fasterwell: The church is pretty cautious about the third revelation of Lucia, the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate heart and a lot of details about 13th October, 1917. I'm appalled by the fact that politics is eating deep into the heart of the Vatican. But that notwithstanding, The Canonisation of Francisco and Jacinta is long overdue. |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Ishilove: 12:37pm On May 14, 2017 |
Hian... so they saw 'apparitions' and 'offered themselves for sinners'? No where did was the name of Jesus mentioned in the article. Issokay. |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by xavieree(f): 12:38pm On May 14, 2017 |
wizod:If u like wail and do nothing else with your time till u die...catholic church with its doctrine was here before u were born and it will still b here long after u re dead and gone!...wackass sayin shit bout wat he/she doesnt understand...as soon as I saw this thread, I knew all you anti catholics will suffocate here today...spewing thrash..well it only ends here...Nothing u say will change a dime. The amount of energy you people exhaust on us eeh..jeez...If u spend half of that being a better human being the world will b a better place 5 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nobody: 12:38pm On May 14, 2017 |
itzwizzle: Lucia died earlier or later? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by obayaya(m): 12:39pm On May 14, 2017 |
wizod: We pray for ourselves, we pray for the faithful departed and we also ask the faithful departed to pray for us.. It's called the communion of saints. I'm sure you approach your pastor to pray for you at times. We do too but we go a step further by inviting angels and saints to pray for us also. If you believe in life after death.. If you believe in heaven.. but do not believe in the communion of saints.. Then there's something wrong with your beliefs Psalms 148: "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Iamzik: 12:45pm On May 14, 2017 |
modaink333: God cannot come down to make Saint so it's only proper for you to make them Saint and refer them to God in heaven. Earthly being recommending Saint to God in heaven! Now who is the real Ode? Every Christian that live a holy life and makes it to Heaven is a saint 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Luvdk(f): 12:48pm On May 14, 2017 |
No be only saint,but cent Mtcheeew! |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by cyrilamx(m): 12:49pm On May 14, 2017 |
Guy stop this ranting of "where is it in the bible?" did u not read from scripture that a lot of things Christ did that didn't find their ways into scripture? And did St Paul not ask Christians to hold fast to the teachings he bestows on them whether by letter (scrpture) or word of mouth( oral tradition)? 2.Thes. 2:15, sacred Tradition...that is oral teachings came before the Bible. Also did u not read where Christ bestowed on Peter the keys of Heaven and the power of binding and losing in Matt.16-18-19 an an other Apostles in Matt.18:18? It was this authority the Apostles relied on in steering the church, a pointing of deacons as a Acts 6:1-7, taking crucial decision like bold claims of working in conjunction with the holy Spirit regarding dietary laws. Acts 16:28, setting guidelines regarding Church worship...go read church history how the church Fathers as successors of the apostles decided the canons of the scripture almost 400 years into christianity. If you have problem with the Catholic Church, den refrain from worshipped on Sunday, using the Bible, observing Easter and Christmas and lots more. If God actually prohibited the making of image as u guys are wont to point out, why did he allow cherubs to be moulded on the ark of the covenant? Or did God turn blind eyes when Solomon adorned the temple with images of lions, oxen and cherubs, 1 kings 6: 23-28,29,32;7:29? Why did God ask Mos to make a bronze serpent and instructed the bitten children of isreal to look up to it for healings? Num 21:7-9? For those asking if th Catholic Church is God really shows the shallowness of protestantism. Christ bequeathed supreme powers/authority to his Church he founded in St. Peter...same authority, St. Peter's successors in the name of Pope enjoy till today. That why for more than two thousand years the Catholic Church still thrives despite d numerous failings of her members and the bad popes. Hence the church is able to make bold claims like forgiving sins Jn 20:23, declaring a person to to Saint in heaven but never making anybody a saint (the church declares not make Saints...holy life makes one a saints) in the cause of history the Catholic Church had have a defend it's teachings against numerous heretical teachings, apostasies and hostile movement as is prevalent among man-made churches today. Christ founded a church and not a Bible. Bible came out of necessity to write down t life of Christ and the need to respond to questions the young thriving Christian community were asking hence the various letters In other word, the (Catholic) church and not the Bible is the pillar and guardian of the revealed Truth. 1.Tim 3:14-16, and the Bible came out of the Church. The day u ask ur pastor or anybody else pray for u, wil be the day divine anger will descend on you. Have you never heard of communion of Saints or worship in heaven? Those in heaven can intercede for us same way we intercede for one another through the mediatorship of Christ Jesus. If fallible pastors can be requested to intercede for u, what can't we see the prayers of our heavenly friends before God. Remember scripture is never averse towards the intercession of our guardian angels? Matt. 18:10 Iamzik: 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by thesuave10(m): 12:49pm On May 14, 2017 |
Fourwinds: Sure thing man. Whatever makes you sleep at night. By the way weed? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by rexbuton: 12:55pm On May 14, 2017 |
Syncan:Hello Sir, I'd like to join this debate. POINT1 is very correct. We are expected to pray for others, Kings, the country etc . Very correct. However there is something we must clarify. You definitely would argue that you don't pray to the saints, but you pray through them. Let's look at this scenario, I talk to Mr. A to help me tell Mr B that I need a watch. This means that I spoke to Mr A. We can't say I didn't speak to Mr A, that instead I spoke through him. It is impossible. Me and Mr A definitely had a conversation. Now let us substitute ''talk/speak'' with 'pray'. I pray to Mr A to help me pray to Mr B that I need a new watch or a new pen. You see my point? Yet you say you don't pray to the saints... Let's add something, do the saints have the capability to hear you? Heb9.27 says " For it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement: KJV" Pending judgement, these people are asleep John 11:11-13, Acts 13:36,1 Thessalonians 4:13 if you dispute these read up 1Sam 28 when Saul conjured up the prophet Samuel... In Deut 18.11 God expressly forbids any consultation with the dark arts in whatever form including Necromancy - Communication with the dead! POINT2 has been partially dealt with above. The righteous man you speak of may not have the capability to assist me, as we aren't even 100% sure of his redemption. Even if this person is in paradise already, would he be concerned about the temporal problems on earth? The verse you quoted doesn't relate, only the living can pray for a living person only. Anything outside that is very likely to be ineffective in line with biblical evidence. POINT3 (1Tim 2:1) "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men" Emphasis on the bolded. All men. The dead are not men in this context. They are dead. Your explanation further goes on to contradict your original idea and also buttress the fact that Jesus Christ is the only way to His Father, our God. Jn 14.6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. I'll follow your posts closely |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Iamzik: 12:55pm On May 14, 2017 |
cyrilamx: Oh really? Peter has supreme authority and also forgave sins and pope is his representative. Ok I hope the blood of Peter/pope and their declaration of forgiveness is enough to save you if not.... And yes God abolished the use of symbol/images after Jesus rose from the dead. Even the Jew's stopped temple sacrifices. Where did you see people making image in the New Testament? (Acts 17:29 KJV) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. I didn't know that a man can forgive another man's sins against God. Is he Jesus? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by free2ryhme: 12:58pm On May 14, 2017 |
iaamxavier: medium Did Jesus use any graven image (medium) to connect to his Father |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by free2ryhme: 1:01pm On May 14, 2017 |
bonfany1129: The reference in the Bible to this serpent is in John 3:14. Jesus indicated that this bronze serpent was a foreshadowing of Him. The serpent, a symbol of sin and judgment, was lifted up from the earth and put on a tree, which was a symbol of a curse (Galatians 3:13). |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by free2ryhme: 1:02pm On May 14, 2017 |
Elesta: Ok sister |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by ukchy: 1:03pm On May 14, 2017 |
Trueigbo:N' obodo Fatima ahhh, na 1917, Eze Nwanyi nke eluigwe biakwutere umu aka ito. .... O si ha kpebe ekpere, O si ha mebe opipia, O si ha kpebe ekpere maka njo nke uwa....., Aha ya bu Lucy,.... Aha ya bu Francisco,.... Aha ya bu Jecinta n'obodo Fatima..... Otito diri Jesu na ndu ebebe Amen! !!! Otito diri Jesu na ndu ebebe Amen!!!!!!!! Umu Mary ooooooh! !!!!!!! Anyi g'elota, na Jesus Christ alugo olu Ebube! !!!!!! Udo diri anyi ,.......udo diri anyi Otito diri Chukwu, na Jesus Christ alugo olu Ebube ya.(Really missing the block Rosary days ) Happy celebration to catholics all over the world as the apparition of our blessed mother is remembered today 6 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by ukchy: 1:06pm On May 14, 2017 |
But you use your pastor as medium abi Make una leave us Catholics alone Thatz out doctrine If it pain you Abeg chaaaa n'uzo or go Hug nnukwu NaaamA free2ryhme: 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by nellyelitz(m): 1:10pm On May 14, 2017 |
Nomswilli:look at this one o, do u even know me? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by libero05(m): 1:16pm On May 14, 2017 |
iaamxavier:u jst gave d pentecotals smackdown! |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Mpanyi: 1:18pm On May 14, 2017 |
iaamxavier: You don:t need to join issues with those that deliberately chose to get lost There is nothing you can do about it. |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Andrewkinggg: 1:19pm On May 14, 2017 |
thesuave10: Delusional all at the same time, I doubt? The stories they all gave at different times conforms each other.. Try again next time |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Arijude(m): 1:19pm On May 14, 2017 |
Bugatie:Maria |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Solumtoonna(m): 1:21pm On May 14, 2017 |
Syncan:Ị malu 1917, ị malu 1917, ezenwaanyi nke eligwe bịa kwutere ụmụaka ịtọ, afa ya bụ Lucio, afa ya bụ Jahcinta, afa ya bụ Francisco, ụmụaka ịtọ n' obodo nke Fatima, ọ sịrị ha kpebe ekpere, ọ sịrị ha mebe ọpịpịa, ọ sịrị ha kpebe ekpere maka njo nke ụwa... 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Mpanyi: 1:24pm On May 14, 2017 |
free2ryhme: You guys are hypocrites. You are asking: is Christ still on the cross? But you won't stop shouting 'blood of Jesus' So let me ask. you: is Christ still bleeding? 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Amberon: 1:24pm On May 14, 2017 |
Lol, I knew you were dense but I didn't know your situation was this critical. The bolded just gave you away as a schizophrenic person who is totally devoid of any iota of logical reasoning. Who is talking about wealth and population in christaindom? Catholics 51% ?? Who cares? That is most likely false but for the sake of this convo lets just say its true, who gives a donkey's ass? That's 51% of people practicing idolatry of which God says won't see his kingdom. Why do you think catholic churches are always used in occult movies? Wealth? Who cares about that too? That's most likely false. The wealth of the Pentecostal church cannot be estimated because every single Pentecostal church is on its own. The bolded is full blown insanity. The catholic is no not among the top 20 biggest churches in Nigeria. And even at that, it is not about the size of the church you dumb fool. All your popes that have died, did they carry their churches to the grave? Mumu iaamxavier: |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Solumtoonna(m): 1:24pm On May 14, 2017 |
Linqsz:Luci died a year before the death Pope John Paul |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nobody: 1:25pm On May 14, 2017 |
Ontarget: How do you know that God didn't give catholics that instruction? 3 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by lonelydora: 1:25pm On May 14, 2017 |
Trueigbo: Back in the days during Block Rosary in Enugu |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by lonelydora: 1:27pm On May 14, 2017 |
Bugatie: Brother, take some bottles for my head. Epic |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Eaugusta(f): 1:34pm On May 14, 2017 |
free2ryhme:You probably doesn't know the meaning of saint and how the church relate with them. Always ask the right source when you are not clear with anything. For clearity sake, nobody bows to saint |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Shafiiimran99: 1:37pm On May 14, 2017 |
Iamzik:Islam doesn't preach violence neither does Islam support force conversation |
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