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Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 8:38am On Jan 20, 2010 |
What rational explanation do you people seek to elicit from these people ? Fact 1. While i see parents of normal people in cars, on foot and on motorcycles taking their tots to school as i post, i can see their abandoned tots in rags with plastic containers roaming the streets in droves singing and begging for alms- there are millions of such children in various states doing this thing they call a religious rite. They are sent away from home by their parents, some from as young as three, to live in the most abominable conditions. Many of the educated ones(even here on NL) defend this life style claiming it is integral to islam, but ofcourse we know there are no almajiris in the middle east and that the educated ones themselves hope to send their children to boarding schools in Togo. 2. While i see young adolescent boys and girls heading for secondary school in uniforms for either morning or afternoon classes, i see our adolescent hausa friends heading the petrol stations with empty jerricans to profit from the petroleum scarcity we currently experiencing. You see they are the young entrepreneurs of hausa land known as black marketers, and this is probably is their apprenticeship in business management. Now compare both groups and tell me which of the groups has a far higher tendency to grow and end up a menace to the Nigerian society ? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by RichyBlacK(m): 3:20pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
@citizenY, citizenY: I hope there is nothing wrong with your head. When I was a mod, I never hesitated to express my opinion on any issue, okay. Only one horn? I have seven horns on my forehead, mumu.
I don't have to put my hand in fire to know it will burn me. It is a fact that many of those misguided youths in Northern Nigeria are fed hate by clerics who preach in some mosques.
So, we can't make deductions without Uncle Sam? I hope you're joking.
Too much yarn. When are we going to see reputable, well-known and influential Northern leaders come out and condemn with no reservation the actions of misguided Muslim bands of marauding murderers scattered all over Northern Nigeria? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Sunofgod(m): 3:51pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
How can 'Backward Thinking' people possibly advance? To advance you need to be forward thinking, Therefore this topic is illogical. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 4:10pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
@sunofgod, i'm sorry for creating it then, you living so close ignorance it can slowly grow on you too. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Kobojunkie: 4:41pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
Abu-Maryam: I would love to tell you that I buy the argument you give here for this but I can't. The inquisition was politically motivated as well, but RELIGION was used. To this day religion still holds the blame, and rightfully so, because religious minded people claimed they were above it and ought to be, but they did not exhibit this claim of theirs. People decided they had to be held responsible and so they were. That is the way it usually works, and should in this case. You ask since when did the religion of the next door man become a threat to my existence, and I answer, since the Islamic up north took it upon themselves to KILL those who are not of their belief; since fundamentalists decided they had a right to take my life just because they could. I am sorry but it has gone too far and people, even I, are worried. We tried to turn a blind eye to all this for some time now but it is we cannot continue to deny the reality of things. These elements are a problem, and the elements we speak of claim to be of the Islamic faith. That the system is wrong is no reason for a particular group, any group, to take it on itself to decide who lives and who dies. Completely unacceptable! You seem more focused on those who are, in their frustration, according to you, slandering your faith, than you are in bringing down those who have perpetrated these acts against their fellow humans and neighbors. Are those who are perpetrating these atrocities not themselves slandering your faith in the worst way? What are you doing about it? Isn’t the fact that they spend innocent blood in their acts worse testimony to your faith than the acts of those on Nairaland posting translations you do not agree with? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 5:56pm On Jan 20, 2010 |
I believe another pillar of development or advancement as a people is the ability to critically assess ourselves or be introspective. On NL we constantly hear people from various parts of the country/world criticize propositions/actions put forward/done by people of similar affiliations or inclinations but that is totally lacking in that community. I'll give a quick example with state governors, who has ever heard a person of hausa origins criticise the dismal performance of a hausa state or governor something which is common place on NL? It may have happened but i'm yet to see it. How can you convince someone from another part of the country that you are concur when we talk of improving this contraption of ours ? If there were any doubts in my mind as to whether what i believed was prejudiced, the religious riots(just one of many) and reactions from the almajiris has caused the doubt dissipate. They are definitely not on my page. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 8:37pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
When they drop their plans for Islamic hegemony, then may be we may listen to their crap |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Jarus(m): 6:10pm On Jan 23, 2010 |
I have actually gone beyond ethno-religious debates on Nairaland politics section and I prefer to take a siddon look these days and do more of reading than engaging in long, often overflogged debates, while just coming out, once in a while of course, to condemn the condemnable, commend the commendable or proffer way forward where I haver idea, but I came across this post by a fellow, Richyblack, on page 4 of this thread, and I dug into my archives of articles to supply him something from Sanusi There are Imams in Mosques that preach the hatred that encourages this zombie mentality, however, the Northern elite do not seem to be doing anything to deal with these hate-mongering clerics. Richie, Sanusi had this to say, amongst other lacerative condemnations, in an article he wrote in March 2004 titled MUSLIM LEADERS AND THE MYTH OF MARGINALIZATION The problem of religious conflict and parochialism bedevils the north. Of course it is not the only problem, which is why a unified northern forum must address the common problems faced by all northern people. The north suffers from the neglect of agricultural production, the lack of proper access of cash-crop farmers to the international market, the collapse of industry, the debilitation of its infra-structure, lack of alternative source of power to hydro-electricity, among others. Most of all the north suffers from the general massification of its population that is to say, its collective subjection to the intense and deliberate processes of qualitative leveling for the purpose of quantitative maximization. As a result of this, politicians and religious demagogues and fanatics have a ready army of uneducated, unemployed northerners willing to participate in bloody riots and attend rallies where emotional inanities pass for patriotic leadership. So now, have you 'read/seen a northern elite speak the clerics'? Need full article? Send a mail to jarusnairaland@yahoo.com |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 6:54pm On Jan 23, 2010 |
@Jarus you know we know ourselves from that other place where we really reveal our innermost selves. I've read that Sanusi dissertation he presented at Arewa house myself, but can you really address problems by presentation of papers at symposiums and conferences ? Is there anything more infuriating than one's rights being taken for granted especially when it comes to religious matters ? of course they say It's the tonic of the mass. Have you ever been in a bus travelling on a four hour journey only for the driver to stop in middle of no where, slip out and tell the passengers while walking away It's time for his prayers ? Secondly i believe the constitution clearly seperates state from religion, but i guess building mosques in government premises doesn't violate that law, or what do you say ? Many of these things occur and every one Let's it pass for the sake of peace; but when individuals who have, to all intents and purposes never known the love of a mother from growing on the streets attack sons, daughters, cousins etc of people who have invested life and money to develop their wards with BOKO, what do you think the reaction to such a loss would be ? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by IKEYMAN1: 11:05pm On Jan 23, 2010 |
jarus Richie, NOT GOOD ENOUGH there are countries with more deprivation than in the north; the diference here is u will never see them act like chimps the north got serious class A wahala need to be addressed just as the niger-delta; kidnapping in east is dealt with |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by RichyBlacK(m): 3:35pm On Jan 24, 2010 |
Jarus: Jarus, Thanks, that was a good statement by Sanusi. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 4:44am On Jan 25, 2010 |
Speaking out against something is not taking action against it. How many times have you seen a mother censor her son in front of guests only for her to hiss and roll eyes after they exit her front door. The staggering number of almajiris on the roads; the deepening level of poverty; the misconception that violence is a monopoly owned by his people; religious sermons of hate telling people that others are the cause of their problems, all these are just part of the fodder that religious intolerance/violence thrives on. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Fhemmmy: 4:45am On Jan 25, 2010 |
It will be easier for a pregnant camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Hausas to be Advanced, cos they dont really want it. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Nobody: 10:03am On Jan 25, 2010 |
RichyBlacK: Statements at conferences are not enough. What is required is for Muslim leaders to condemn these killings IN ALLAH's NAME ,in no unequivocal terms,on radio,television and the print media. Besides,Sanusi made that statement in 2004.Can he repeat it on television now that he has a higher position .If he can,it would go a long way to calm the fears of other terrorized nigerians! |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by paddylo1(m): 3:05am On Feb 08, 2010 |
Interesting discourse. . i believe true federalism will help put an end to all these and perhaps a creation of a southern kaduna state. . . let each settlers in a state respect the indigenes laws and traditions and if possible put it in the Nigerian constitution . . with true federalism,if the core north wants to be backwards,it is their right to be. . . as life will go on in the rest of the country |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by MandingoII(m): 3:15am On Feb 08, 2010 |
Nigeria will ALWAYS be a fractured land. Its the way your colonial masters devised it. You nolonger hate the Whites. You HATE passionately each other. and corporate money |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by JosBoy4Lif(m): 5:35am On Feb 08, 2010 |
MandingoII: Mandingo, I know that you usually have nothing positive to say about Nigeria; but my god you hit the nail this time. In a country that directly supports the segregation of her people on ethnic/religious grounds is it no wonder that like Mandingo has said we "passionately hate each other" Like I have advocated Nigeria needs to: 1) Get rid of State of Origin/Indigine 2) Get rid of zonal/rotational representation 3) Stop government support of Chiefs/church/mosque 4) Stop govenrment support of Hajj/Pilgrimages and embrace secularism 5) Get rid of Sharia law, Jungle justice and any other forms of either cultural or religious influence on Law These changes if implemented would have positive effects in uniting and building |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Beaf: 5:46am On Feb 08, 2010 |
JosBoy4Lif: The root of Nigeria's problem is every state going to beg for money in Abuja. It isn't any of the above. Whenever we decide to practice true federalism, both the monthly governors Abuja begging bowl congregation and all other ill's will die out. If we practice true federalism, those who want to practice sharia will have every opportunity; business and development will simply move elsewhere. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Hadone(m): 12:00pm On Feb 10, 2010 |
@ Mr edoyad You achieved all what you intended in posting this thread. i.e abuses to Islam and Muslims, increasing unnecessary hatred to Hausas and good people of the north who fought for Nigeria's independance when your grandparents were illiterates, so unheard and hiding in valleys and rocks like snakes or wild reptiles eating ALADE, without even having proper cloths to cover their body. But a silly Alade eater like you who dont even have respect for christianity in its real sense is now trying to take advantage of tribalism dominated nairaland and make Hausa people to advance. The people (HAUSA) specialised in both local and international trade, mining, fishing (KAMUN KIFI), textile (MASAKA) manufacturing (KIRA) building (GINI) architecture (MAI ZANE) tanning (JIMA or MAJEMA), different types of traditional musical instruments such as drums, local guitars, pianos and so on. They are also educated through both traditional and Islamic education which is still regarded by educationist from all over the world. Ask any of your fellow ALADE eaters provided they hold or are about to hold NCE, B. Ed or any recognised education certificate, they must have studied History of Education in Nigeria which no doubt start with the advent of Islamic education in Nigeria. Where were your grand parents then? illiterates, so unheard and hiding in valleys and rocks like snakes or wild reptiles eating ALADE Who then need to advance? @good christains/southerners in da house Good day, i dont mean to hut anyone but tribalists. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Hadone(m): 12:06pm On Feb 10, 2010 |
edoyad & co think twice pls. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 12:33pm On Feb 10, 2010 |
@hadone, thank you for your meaningful contribution to this discourse. Could you please enlighten us as to what part of the country you're from and challenges you're facing ? Cos at the moment i being of southern kaduna origin and resident in kaduna seem to believe that religious dogma and illiteracy are the bane of the hausa society. More disturbing is their clamour for political power but failure to use that power to improve their fortunes. Have you seen the number of beggars and almajiris around the area you live recently ? I swear i get nightmares while i sleep sometimes. My cousin tells me that if i visit kano and see the amount there that my nightmare could turn to a cardiac arrest. But why must this be ? Don't the "alhajis" you people serve feel the suffering of those children singing and clapping, begging for alms with plastic cups in hand ? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Hadone(m): 1:45pm On Feb 11, 2010 |
edoyad:[size=16pt]You are now coming up and changing your previous arrogant face to a good Nigerian. Meanwhile, as u insist to know, iam a proud indigene and resident of Katsina State (same geo-political zone u hailed from). And the second part of your question insist to know the challenges iam facing. But i dont understand the type of challenges you are talking about. With regard to the number of beggers and almajiris u are talking about, i can strongly agree with u that it is a serious set back to Nigeria and the north respectively. Most of all, Hausa people and Islamic religion suffer worst than anything. This is simply because about 95 or even 100% of street beggers are Hausas and muslims or begging in the name of Islam. But let me use this medium to tell everybody that begging is prohibited in Islam. Islam encourage self reliance and discourage any form of begging. Therefore if any muslim begged a kobo or its kind, that person in solely abusing Islamic religion. Unless if he or she is not on occasional critical condition or difficulty that lead him to helpless situation. In such circumstances he can beg for assistance from fellow muslims and non-muslims alike who can assist him. But to make it day-to-day activity or business, islam prohibit it. And about the "alhajis" you are talking about, that is why Islam mandated them togive alms to the needy. Remember, they are not only encouraged to give but Allah make it necessary for them to give. And this almsgiving is outlined among the five pillars of Islam. One good thing to look into at this stage is that even if religion categorize you as a needy and capable of recieving the alms. You are not allowed to go to any Alhaji and start asking him to give you. Because if you ask him, then you commit a sin, If you remember, i initially told you that begging is prohibited in Islam.[/size] |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Hadone(m): 2:20pm On Feb 11, 2010 |
I think if we opt to understand and bear with each other, we can really move forward. But it is quite annoying to always generalise. In this recent crisis of Jos, some good pastors in kuru jenta tried as much to stop the massacre of muslims by some christain youths. But is it justice for me to generalise the whole christains of that village and start cursing on them? How would that innocent pastor feel for God sake? That is similar to what is presently happening in this country. Even if your own father or son killed somebody, why should some one charge you for killing? You never killed before and dont even pray for a day to kill someone. This is the kind of troubles we muslims especially Hausa/fulani are facing. Our religion did not encourage us to harm anyone not to talk of killng. NO! Not muslim of my type. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Beaf: 2:24pm On Feb 11, 2010 |
^ The thing is Nigerians are not blind. Each time there is one of the regular pogroms up North, it is the Hausa/Fulani that go around killing Southerners. It isn't Gwari or Angas or any of the other Northern ethnicities. It is strictly Hausa/Fulani. Call a spade, a spade! Those people don't value life. If you don't want the tag, talk to your brothers and sisters to stop their evil behaviour. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Nobody: 2:46pm On Feb 11, 2010 |
Ok |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Nobody: 2:47pm On Feb 11, 2010 |
Ok |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by ezeagu(m): 2:49pm On Feb 11, 2010 |
emy_nike: Only this group? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by Hadone(m): 12:59pm On Feb 16, 2010 |
Mr. edoyad you seems to have abandon the thread you build with your own hands. Dont you have any more idea? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by calid16: 6:22am On Mar 09, 2010 |
It is unfortunate that Nigeria going through this crisis but it is not good to label every body bad cos one or a few make mistakes. If we keep doing this thing there will be no forward movement but we continue to hang on to bitterness. |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by EzeUche(m): 6:32am On Mar 09, 2010 |
The only good almajiri is a dead almajiri!!! |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by edoyad(m): 3:52pm On Apr 18, 2011 |
Oops! How did i get here ? |
Re: Is It Possible For Hausa People To Advance ? by nwabobo: 2:10am On Jan 13, 2012 |
EzeUche: True talk bro! |
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