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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Arsenalholic1: 7:38pm On May 22, 2017 |
ajl:Aswerigad that country is so dope. You hardly differentiate between a native Canadian and nonnatives. A common term we all used was "our prime minister" and it was cool irrespective of the fact that most of us weren't Canadians You're back in Nigeria? |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by MENELIK1: 7:41pm On May 22, 2017 |
Xda59: I challenged you sir, spell the word "OBA" with benin alphabets. The day I saw comments of Yorubas insulting Azikiwe on Nairaland was when I knew the Osus have bitten more than they can chew, I think it is the turn of the Binis, what they call great that is less than a quarter of Ibadan to receive their bashing. Bring it on, you will get more than what you deserve. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Nobody: 7:59pm On May 22, 2017 |
CONFAMA: Edo people don't bear Yoruba names. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Nobody: 8:00pm On May 22, 2017 |
[quote author=MENELIK1 post=56776547] I challenged you sir, spell the word "OBA" with benin alphabets. The day I saw comments of Yorubas insulting Azikiwe on Nairaland was when I knew the Osus have bitten more than they can chew, I think it is the turn of the Binis, what they call great that is less than a quarter of Ibadan to receive their bashing. Bring it on, you will get more than what you deserve.[/quote ] The story of the relationship between the people known as the EDOS and the YORUBAS have been discussed in different format on many occasions. For many years, the Obas of Benin and the Oonis of Ife have maintained their silence, leaving academicians and politicians to argue it out among themselves. But for the first time in the history of these two ruling houses, they have started talking about the history of the relationship between the two traditional rulers. From Prince Edun Akenzuas speech. you can hear the traditional rulers say it as they know it. Omo n' Oba n' Edo, Uku Akpolokpolo, Oba Erediuwa's recently published book have again restated what most scholars have been trying to say all these years. The publication of the speech and this new book would help most researchers in understanding the fact that, there are two oral traditions about the man called the ODUDUWA OF ILE-IFE. Both traditions exists in theYoruba land and Edo land. A good examination will show some similarities and dissimilarities. But unfortunately, most Yoruba writers who have been in the fore front of writing about this subject, tended to do it as if no other tradition existed. Whlie many have been looking for the track left behind by Oduduwa's soldiers, as they marched to conquer the EDOS, some have merely described the EDOS as sub-branch of the Yoruba ethinic group. The Edo-speaking people rejects both positions. They have consistently argued that the man ODUDUWA was no other person than Prince EKALADERHAN, the runaway son of OGISO OWODO of IGODOMIGIDO. OWODO was the last ruler with the title of OGISO before the advent of the present dynasty in Benin. It looks as if it is necessary now to recount some of the tales on how Ekaladerhan ended up at UHE ( ILE-IFE). Ekaladerhan had been falsely accused by Queen Esagho as being responsible for the inabilitiy of his father's wife to bear other male children. Queen Esagho had bribed or intimidated others who went to the oraclist with her into silence. The oracle had actually declared Queen Esagho as the culprit and demanded that she should be killed. But some of the executioners who knew the truth, spared Ekaladerhan in the jungle and advised him to run for his life. Ekaladerhan ran, rested at Ughoton for some time and then moved westwards to a place the Edo-speaking world call UHE (Ile-Ife). The truth about what the oracle decreed came out later. Queen Esagho was executed but Ogiso Owodo died childless, regreting what he did to his only son and heir until the end. The fact Ekaladerhan existed is shown to this day when an Edo man, especially those living near and around Benin City, declare an inclement weather or a very dull day, "EKALADERHAN'S DAY." For it said that when Ekaladerhan was to being taken to the forest for execution, the Edos were filled with mourning and the day was very dull. Therefore any dul day is called Ekaladerhan's day. But of all yoruba academicians, only one of them came close to unearthing the personality of the man, called the ODUDUWA of Yoruba land. He wrote: "From what we are able to gather from research work on the early history of the Yoruba, we learn that the personage who has been given the the name ODUDUWA was the powerful leader whom the nucleus of a strand of the present Yoruba race migrated into this land from their original home........It is not certain what his original name was; but it could not have been Oduduwa.......But during the course of history, his figure has become wrapped in legend to the extent that we can now dimly discern the concrete outlines of the original....... We learn from oral traditions that when Oduduwa arrived in Ile-Ife, there was already a community of aboriginal people under the headship of ORELUERE" The writer was Rev. Professor Bolaji Idowu, former head of the Department of Religious Studies, University of Ibadan, Nigeria AND fomer head of the Methodist Mission in Nigeria in his book, OLODUMARE. The Edo people have always argued, that Ekaladerhan changed his name to what is known today as Oduduwa for security reasons. He has just escaped execution at the hands of his own people by God's providence. In Benin City and all over Edo-speaking world of today, ODUWA-path to progress, is a very active word. if you add the following prefix of IZ, ID, you have the following names-IDODUWA, IZODUWA-all active Edo names. Then you also have OGHODUWA/OGHODUA-an attribute or the name of the almighty God, the creator of the universe or IGHODUWA-I saw the path of progress. OKODUWA is a very active names among the Esans (Ishan) And depending on which dialect of the Edo group you are translating from, it could mean (a) Idoduwa-I have bought /missed the path of progress. (b) Izoduwa-I have chosen the path of progress. When you add all of the above, including Bolaji Idowu quotation, to the the following statements credited to the Yoruba tradition about Oduduwa: a) The man Oduduwa trekked form Mecca or somewhere from the Middlle East in 90 days ( North-East) (This is an impossible feat, but Igodomigodo-ancient Benin City is East of Uhe-modern Ile-Ife) b) He stoped only once to rest at OGHO modern Owo town in Ondo state of Nigeria ( Ogho/Owo is a half way house for a man running away from some pursuers from Benin City. It is about 70 miles from Benin City and almost the same distance to Ile-Ife. Owo was on the fringe of the ancient Benin Kingdom. A run away Benin prince will certainly keep moving until he gets to a place where his identity can not be revealed. Ogho is the Edo name for the city. And Owo man does not call himself the son of Owo but OGHO. Owo was part and parcel of the ancient Benin/Edo Empire. The legendary ASORO of the Benin Massacre of 1897 was an Owo crown prince ) c) Oduduwa came from the sky in a chain ladder OGISO means king from or of the sky in Benin City. (Ogiso was the title of Ekaladerhan's father-Ogiso Owodo of Igodomigodo It is undestandable for Ekaladerhan would tell the people he met at Uhe, that he came from the sky since that was what OGISO meant . d) And other land marks in Benin City about the man Ekaladerhan e) Oduduwa is the ancestor of the Yoruba race. What happened to ORELUERE, the leader of the aboriginal community that was at Uhe/Ile Ife? Did Oduduwa come to Ile-Ife alone? If not, what happened to his followers? What happened to the aboriginal community at Ile-Ife? Which of these names sounds yoruba (ANAGO)-Oreluere or Oduduwa f) According to the Oni of Ife, Oranyan/Oronmiyan came to Benin in about 1190's AD. This means that ODUDUWA came from the sky about 1100 AD. Is the Oni Ife saying the yoruba race began in the 1100's AD?. Yoruba archeological history does not support such suggestion. It also mean that Ile-Ife did not have a monarchial institution until Oduduwa arrived there. The question then is, why would the Edo-speakimg world with hundreds of years in monarchial experiment now appeal to an upstart monarchial institution for a king, if there were no prior relationship with the king? We are already aware that Rev. Samuel Johnson's book, "The History of the Yorubas" was not only Oyo-centric but was heavily influenced by European writers account of the history of the yorubas as recounted to them by Sultan Bello of Sokoto and his men. Therefore you may have to come to the conclusion that the Yoruba Oduduwa is the same as Ekaladerhan of the Edos. BUT The man who came to Benin City known as ORONMIYAN/ORANYAN (OMONOYAN) was a Yoruba man. Even though his father Oduduwa may have been an Edo man, he had a Yoruba mother. The language he understood was yoruba (ANAGO). The men and women who travelled with him from Uhe/Ile-Ife to Benin were Yoruba men and women. And one of the family that came with him is the EDIGIN OF USE near Benin. In fact Edigin is a corruption of the yoruba (Anago) word OLIGI-the head of the wood cutter for the royal entourage. But when he got to Benin City, he met an established community who refused to accept him because he said his title was OBA instead of OGISO. Chief Ogiamen as usual led the oppsition against him as he did to his grandfather. It should also be noted, that it was the attempt by EVIAN and later his son OGIAMIEN to crown themselves the Ogiso (king) of Benin,. that prompted some of the executioners to let the world know, that the Oduduwa of Ile-Ife is the same man as Prince Ekaladerhan. Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) refused to return to Benin City, telling the emissaries sent to him " Eke ne oma eghele, ore re igiogbe ore-wherever a man find peace and prosperity is his home." But sent his son known as Oronyan/Oronmiyan. He too left Benin in anger leaving a pregnat woman behind, who gave birth to the man who later became Oba EWEKA, the first, of Edo History. Oranmiyan therefore, was said to have called the land ILE-IBINU( the land of vexation) from where Benin is supposedly derived. This statement is still shaky since we have claims from some Nupe's that Benin is Nupe derived. We have evidence that the Itsekhiris may have given the name to Europeans travellers who popularised the name Benin. We are therefore, not surprised that Oba Ewuare decided to do away with name Benin altogether, which to him was an alien name. He named us EDO N'EVBO AIHIRE-Edo the city of love. But BENIN has stuck for eternity. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa11a: 8:18pm On May 22, 2017 |
People who talk of Ile Ife are high school drop out. It shows , they drop out of high school. It is just a way of testing people who failed high school.. if they they know the correct history.. When you give your answer as Ile Ife. You drop out of high school |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 8:19pm On May 22, 2017 |
mmsen: Your point about African-Americans does not help your argument. Rather the fact that despite the discrimination and abuse that they face affords them access to greater wealth and living standards than the residents of Ile-Ife should cause you to question the need for monarchy. The monarch of Ile-Ife has nothing to do with standard of living in Nigeria. The question you need to ask yourself is why despite having GDP of over 400 bn dollars, we are still a third world country. You and I know that Ooni wasn't responsible for mismangement of revenue generated by Nigeria from 1960s till date. If you wanna know the reasons Nigeria and most African countries found themselves in dire state, you need to do some reading but surely it wasn't Ooni or other monarchs fault. About US, dude go to inner cities like Chicago, Compton, St Louis, Flint, Memphis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Detroit etc. And experience what it is to live as a black in a first world country. Like I told you earlier stop basing your argument on what you see on TV. It is not true reflection of what's going on. Willem Alexander has no power and limited access to public resources, he doesn't have as much opportunity to be corrupt. But other monarchs have been and are. The Saudi monarchy are notoriously crooked. Likewise their counterpart in Bahrain And in your mind, you think Ooni as power or access to resources more than Willem-Alexander? The point of the argument was Ooni just like Willem-Alexander and other European monarchs I mentioned earlier are only constitutional and have zero to limited access to public fund, however, what their institutions represent is upliftment and identification with their cultures and traditions. You bringing Monarchs of middle east doesn't help your argument because with, what you are doing is comparing absolute monarchs with constitutional monarchs. Capitalists at least have to find sources of income to fund their projects - monarchs do nothing. Does Ile-Ife even have 24 hour electricity? And if not why not? Why is Dangote doing more to eradicate the problem of power scarcity than all of the monarchs in Nigeria? Bro, you need to understand what Capitalism really is. And if I may ask out of curiosity, where do you think they get those funds from? Do you know who the Rothschild and Medici families are? Like I said, things are not the way you see them. And for goodness sake, can you stop putting the responsibilities of social amenities provision on Monarchs. Ile Ife not having electricity is not the responsibility of Ooni just like running of government affairs in UK is not the responsibility of Queen Elizabeth. Least I forget, Dangote is doing more to eradicate power scarcity because as an entrepreneur he needs stable power supply for his businesses just like Carlos Slim of Mexico is doing in his country Our ancestors are not gods, they did some good and they did some silly things - such as hiding behind superstition and religion to explain the world, selling their neighbors into slavery, engaging childish witch hunts of those who tried to do things differently. We should learn from the good as well as their errors to be better instead of foolishly mimicking their behavior. We have access to more information than they did and should use it to progress The bolded is the reason why we need reeducation of misinformed knowledge passed to us by Caucasians. We have been wrongly informed to feel guilty and blame ourselves for being enslaved by white people. All races have been enslaving and subjecting others to their rules from time immemorial. Euroasia, Native americans just like Africans sold or conquered others of their kinds into being slaves. And Africans do not sell their family or neighbours into slavery, they sold people of other tribes or villages that they believe were different from them. Also, I believe you should be knowledgeable to know that witch hunting in Europe lasted to as recently as 18th century. During the witch hunting era of Europe that lasted for centuries, guess who were mostly executed? Women and children of course. I'm not trying to justify this barbaric act in present era in Africa but every race has their history and you demonising African history and glorifying European history is a typical whitewashing history we have been taught in school. Don't be fooled brother, do more reading and discovered the truth about your race by yourself. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by CONFAMA: 8:20pm On May 22, 2017 |
Xda59: E no go better for you if you're lying. I use to have a girlfriend named Yemi and she was from edo state. Back then, she use to tell me gory and scary tales of the edo witches which was why she and her parents took of from edo state to escape their persecution.... 3 Likes |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa11a: 8:34pm On May 22, 2017 |
Ile Ife is just knew for yoruba art... And voodoo worship... The ooni of Ile Ife is a very low rank person. Equivalent of a Baron |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by colbankz(m): 8:47pm On May 22, 2017 |
obembet:am a yoruba gee like u but learn to freew ya mind frm hate |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Nobody: 8:49pm On May 22, 2017 |
CONFAMA: Where in edo state is she from? You need to understand that the difference between edo state and bini speaking people referred to as Edos even when we had Bendel state. Your girlfriend must be from akoko edo which is a different story on its own but in summary, they are originally edo people. However, large number of yoruba emigration into that territory has influenced their tongue and even in their names. No Bini man bears a Yoruba name. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Archbello(m): 8:50pm On May 22, 2017 |
................. why those guys no invite king ado ibrahim na? Thought he has the most beautiful palace in africa. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Arsenalholic1: 9:18pm On May 22, 2017 |
lockupnop:Amen bruv. 1 Like |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Kingspin(m): 9:27pm On May 22, 2017 |
To London, another man's land trace it back to Nigeria. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by CloudResident(m): 9:30pm On May 22, 2017 |
Afonjas don come again.Haters go line up for the nearest lagoon... Wait o, why only him for Nigeria? Respect, that's what I call respect! 1 Like |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by AworiLagosian: 9:30pm On May 22, 2017 |
Akinlekanwr: Lagos Airport is NOT on Baale of Idumota island's territory. Ikeja has an Oba called Olu of Ikeja. 1 Like |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Archbello(m): 9:40pm On May 22, 2017 |
If virtually we are to go by humility as my brothers in the insinuate,i think -King Ado Ibrahim Of The Ebira Kingdom- most deserve this honor. If virtually we are to go by humility as my brothers in the insinuate,i think -King Ado Ibrahim Of The Ebira Kingdom- most deserve this honor.
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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by nathawoniyi(m): 10:10pm On May 22, 2017 |
the children of oba akinolu could be on this platform, enough of insulting ori ade,I warned. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by mmsen: 10:18pm On May 22, 2017 |
slurryeye2: The Nigerian economy was valued at close to $600 billion in 2014. The reason why Nigeria is third world is because of the productivity of the nation is not in alignment with the population. Nor would I expect it to be when you have some regions who think it is acceptable to send their children out to beg and when not doing that to waste hours every week reciting Arab nonsense. As to you trying to justify slavery. Shame on you. Europeans bought slaves from your beloved African monarchs who also fought against the Europeans to maintain the trade when the British attempted to end the barbaric trade. I am not one to romanticize Europe or European history but equally when Africans have done wrong we need to acknowledge it so that we can hold them to account where possible and learn from the error. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by springtech(m): 10:44pm On May 22, 2017 |
God bless the Oni. Always representing. Hard work is good, but wise work is better. Check My Signature, see how i make cool cash weekly seamlessly. Here we don't know recession. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Flintstone06(m): 10:56pm On May 22, 2017 |
nathawoniyi: Ori Ade kor, ori imu ni |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa12: 11:17pm On May 22, 2017 |
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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by SpencerM(m): 11:39pm On May 22, 2017 |
Arsenalholic1:bro pls can we chat mor on d country i got plans 4 it pls i need info 07063742909 |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 11:41pm On May 22, 2017 |
mmsen: I know people like you, Mr ITK. You just have to correct my gdp figure even though you are wrong. Nigeria GDP as at year end of 2015 stood at $481 bn, and I'm quite sure the one for 2016 will be lower than that. I never justified slavery, all I said was, stop exonerating other races from participating in slavery. In as much as slavery has been in existence from beginning of time, what distinguished trans-atlantic slavery from other slavery was the treatment of the enslaved as property by Caucasians. I never said Africans haven't done anything wrong, all what I'm telling you is that don't demonize our history and tradition.
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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by mmsen: 11:49pm On May 22, 2017 |
slurryeye2: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp We must self police for our own good. It's not about demonizing tradition or history. If something is wrong we must first acknowledge and then correct the mistake. We should not dogmatically stick to tradition, you see where it has gotten us. We could be so much further along if we didn't have so many people who insist on clinging to outmoded practices. Nigeria must reform or it will die. The same goes for Africa as a whole. |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 12:12am On May 23, 2017 |
mmsen: Take this as my message from this discourse. If you lose your traditions, you lose your identity. If you lose your identity, you will never move forward. In as much as I support reform some of our traditions, I do not support abolishing many of them, and one of them is the monarchical system |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by fizziea(m): 12:28am On May 23, 2017 |
oni lagoon of lagoon nko |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by mmsen: 12:46am On May 23, 2017 |
slurryeye2: Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too? Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house? Do you spend your time farming? Or trading? Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land? Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham? |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa12: 12:53am On May 23, 2017 |
Ogunnusi is not Royal.. he cant sign any document |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 3:43am On May 23, 2017 |
mmsen: Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too? You said didn't they. And I'm sure "didn't they" implies something that happened in the past. Do you want me to tell you some of the absurd practices carried out in dark age Europe too? Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house? If you're knowledgeable about architectural concept, you should know that those traditional houses are ingeniously built. Houses that remains cool inside during hot afternoon and warm up at night without temperature regulator. I'm surprised there are not so many mud houses in Nigeria these days Do you spend your time farming? Or trading? I don't understand this your question. Are you saying farming depicts lack of civilization or farming is only limited to African tradition. I don't just understand you Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land? From this question I can guess the tribe you come from. This question is a total red herring to discourse at hand. However, to enlighten you and folks that think like you, Ilorin was never stolen or conquered by Fulani. If you wanna know what really happened, I can explain to you in details Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham? I don't know what you are implying by this question too. But just to let you know, Jews have African ancestry. You need to seek contemporary historical knowledge and not the whitewashed history you have been taught. http://forward.com/culture/140721/genes-tell-tale-of-jewish-ties-to-africa/ |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by MENELIK1: 7:05am On May 23, 2017 |
[quote author=Xda59 post=56777038][/quote] Sir, you did not attend to my request |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by macof(m): 8:24am On May 23, 2017 |
Johnhug66: Is there a difference between dog and Dog? You people fooling yourselves with an ordinary letter capitalization that really holds no meaning The Ooni is King of Kings. It's not about the man but the throne |
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by macof(m): 8:44am On May 23, 2017 |
GuyfawkesAB:know The entire Bini empire that was not as big as modern Oyo state is what foolish Bini people claim to be the biggest empire in Africa Those people are running mad gradually |
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