Did I hear u say psychology?

Onyiridike:


You actually think dt everybody that studied biochemistry is facing what you are facing. Only here in Kaduna state more than 50 biochemistry graduates have been gainfully employed in 3 years time. Imagine the number that will be employed in big cities all over Nigeria.

For your information, Breweries, Nestle, UAC, NAFDAC, NARICT, NABDA, UNICEF, WHO, IAR, to name but a few don't joke with Biochemists.

You simply went to school to get a degree without clear vision and plan of what to do with it.

For your information, no company designs a drug without a biochemist.

Are you sure you actually studied biochemistry?

I have told you time without number that every course of study (medicine inclusive) is suffering in Nigeria because we produce more graduates than we can absorb.

Nigerian Breweries wants to employ 3 Biochemists and 1500 of them will apply

University Teaching hospital wants 20 doctors and 500 will apply

Shell wants 3 petroleum engineers and 2500 will apply.

The same thing applies to other courses.

You have been stressing PROFESSIONAL COURSE. Who is a professional?

If you think a Biochemist is not a professional, then you should have your brain examined.

sorry for interfering but why do u people state your point abusively ,ehn why? Abeg no abuse me sef o just asking

MaestroZeus:
my passion was to study psychology...just love analyzing people and situation buh with job opportunity in Nigeria,nobody taught me b4 going for MLS.....

You're missing slot from studying it. Psychology is one of the best courses in the world

addizzle:
dats my course in skul

wow which school?

makinson2865:
Agricultural engineering is one of those lucrative jobs both in Nigeria and abroad.u can work as agricultural scientists as well as food science and engineer, u can stil fit in as mechanical engr in some organisation's where fabrication of machines is needed.u can work as biogas and biodieael engr.infact AGE is a wide and versatile discipline. ....I rep AGE...LAUTECH CLASS 09

Thanks a lot

[quote author=zerojoy post=57691671]wow which school?[Imostate polytechnic.

[quote author=addizzle post=57740606][/quote] Nice.. I'm in ATBU, Bauchi. Can I get 2 knw u? Gv me ur twitter handle

Onyiridike:


You have been stressing PROFESSIONAL COURSE. Who is a professional?

If you think a Biochemist is not a professional, then you should have your brain examined.

A professional course is one whose primary / first degree is a professional degree at Bachelors level not at postgraduate and often times require licensure to practice.

And a Biochemist with Bsc. Biochemistry isn't a professional my dear he/she is just like any other graduate with Bsc.

Professional degree and professionals:
LL.B - law
MBBS - Medicine
BDS - Dentist
B.Pharm - Pharmacists
B.Eng - Engineers
B.MLS - MLS
OD - Optometry
BPT - Physiotherapists
Etc, Etc lol

These are professionals by virtue of their first degree any other thing doesn't count it's just an addition to their degree.

nelszx:


A professional course is one whose primary / first degree is a professional degree at Bachelors level not at postgraduate and often times require licensure to practice.

And a Biochemist with Bsc. Biochemistry isn't a professional my dear he/she is just like any other graduate with Bsc.

Professional degree and professionals:
LL.B - law
MBBS - Medicine
BDS - Dentist
B.Pharm - Pharmacists
B.Eng - Engineers
B.MLS - MLS
OD - Optometry
BPT - Physiotherapists
Etc, Etc lol

These are professionals by virtue of their first degree any other thing doesn't count it's just an addition to their degree.

This is what you were made to believe.

1. A lecturer is a professional, he has professional bodies that regulate entry and work ethics. You can become one with a B. Sc

2. A research officer is a professional, they equally have a body

3. A quality Control analyst is a professional. His work is regularized by SON and NAFDAC.

4 . A laboratory Technologist (Biochemistry option) is also a professional and you need only HND to operate.

The problem of Nigerians is that once you don't have a title such as Dr. Eng. Arch. after your name then you are not a professional.

What is the technical meaning of the word "professional"?

So a teacher is not a professional?

A nurse is not a professional?

In some places, you require a licence to operate a barbing saloon, does that make a barber a professional?

The question is if a Biochemist is a professional regardless of his educational qualification and training? And my answer is an emphatic YES!!!

Even an MBBS graduate requires more training to become a full-fledged professional in a particular field.

Does it occur to you that as an MBBS graduate, you can opt for Biochemistry in your postgraduate studies?

I may not understand how a professional is defined in Nigerian context but I believe strongly that any graduate that creates a niche for himself in his area of discipline while abiding to established rules and work ethic is a professional.

Onyiridike:

This is what you were made to believe

That's what I have always known

1. A lecturer is a professional, he has professional bodies that regulate entry and work ethics. You can become one with a B. Sc

Quite true to an extent by virtue of Msc and PHD not necessarily Bsc as Bsc alone can't make you a professional

2. A research officer is a professional, they equally have a body

True to an extent but I'm not aware of their body if there's one please enlighten me.

3. A quality Control analyst is a professional. His work is regularized by SON and NAFDAC

Not true SON and NAFDAC are agencies and can't regularise anything. IPAN regularises QC analysts.

4 . A laboratory Technologist (Biochemistry option) is also a professional and you need only HND to operate.

True to an extent

The problem of Nigerians is that once you don't have a title such as Dr. Eng. Arch. after your name then you are not a professional.

What is the technical meaning of the word "professional"?

Person formally certified by a professional body of belonging to a specific profession by virtue of having completed a required course of studies and/or practice. And whose competence can usually be measured against an established set of standards.
www.businessdictionary.com/definition/professional.html

So a teacher is not a professional?

A teacher is a professional and they are regulated and licensed by the Teachers Registration council of Nigeria (TRCN). Not what we see in private schools where any university graduate can be a teacher, go to government schools and see the real teachers who are professionals not the quacks that rigmarole private schools (cheap labour)

A nurse is not a professional?

A nurse is a professional with a professional degree and regulated and licensed by a professional body everywhere in the world.

In some places, you require a licence to operate a barbing saloon, does that make a barber a professional?

At this point, professional for a barber is abused. The regular barber on the streets are artisans in Nigeria, there are barbers who attend barbers college for a degree in barbing these ones are licensed though not in Nigeria as any Tom, Dick and Harry can be a barber. The professional barbers though alien to Nigeria; go to college and get a degree and are regulated.

The question is if a Biochemist is a professional regardless of his educational qualification and training? And my answer is an emphatic YES!!!

Quite true by virtue of Post graduate training in a particular aspect as professionally inclined else he's just as normal as any other Biochemist out there. And besides there's no profession out there known as Biochemist (quote me anywhere)

Even an MBBS graduate requires more training to become a full-fledged professional in a particular field.

MBBS graduates and other professional degree holders are professionals in themselves seeking more knowledge to become a "SPECIALIST" not a professional any longer. In doing so he's now a professional + Specialist which most people refer to as "EXPERTS".

Does it occur to you that as an MBBS graduate, you can opt for Biochemistry in your postgraduate studies?

Of course yes, because he/she wants to lecture in that department.

I may not understand how a professional is defined in Nigerian context but I believe strongly that any graduate that creates a niche for himself in his area of discipline while abiding to established rules and work ethic is a professional.

If such niche isn't regulated by a professional body my dear you are not a professional as there's no difference between the person and the regular quack out there

nelszx:


That's what I have always known

Quite true to an extent by virtue of Msc and PHD not necessarily Bsc as Bsc alone can't make you a professional


True to an extent but I'm not aware of their body if there's one please enlighten me.


Not true SON and NAFDAC are agencies and can't regularise anything. IPAN regularises QC analysts.


True to an extent

The problem of Nigerians is that once you don't have a title such as Dr. Eng. Arch. after your name then you are not a professional.


Person formally certified by a professional body of belonging to a specific profession by virtue of having completed a required course of studies and/or practice. And whose competence can usually be measured against an established set of standards.
www.businessdictionary.com/definition/professional.html


A teacher is a professional and they are regulated and licensed by the Teachers Registration council of Nigeria (TRCN). Not what we see in private schools where any university graduate can be a teacher, go to government schools and see the real teachers who are professionals not the quacks that rigmarole private schools (cheap labour)


A nurse is a professional with a professional degree and regulated and licensed by a professional body everywhere in the world.



At this point, professional for a barber is abused. The regular barber on the streets are artisans in Nigeria, there are barbers who attend barbers college for a degree in barbing these ones are licensed though not in Nigeria as any Tom, Dick and Harry can be a barber. The professional barbers though alien to Nigeria go to college and get a degree and are regulated.



Quite true by virtue of Post graduate training in a particular aspect as professionally inclined else he's just as normal as any other Biochemist out there. And besides there's no profession out there known as Biochemist (quote me anywhere)



MBBS graduates and other professional degree holders are professionals in themselves seeking more knowledge to become a "SPECIALIST" not a professional any longer. In doing so he's now a professional + Specialist


Of course yes, because he/she wants to lecture in that department.



If such niche isn't regulated by a professional body my dear you are not a professional as there's no difference between the person and the regular quack out there

Thank you for the correction on NAfDAC and SON.

Why are you contradicting yourself?

You don't need an M. Sc to become a lecturer in Polytechnics, monotechnics and Colleges of education.

I assume that you are educated and based on your definition (don't use business dictionary as a standard) who is a professional?

Just the way you need an MBBS certificate to work in a hospital as a medical doctor, you equally need a B. Sc Biochemistry to work as a Biochemist even if your job roles entails that you are called a lecturer, research officer, quality control analyst, scientific officer, technologist e.t.c. In a similar way, a medical doctor can be called a medical officer, oncologist, surgeon, gynaecologist, e.t.c.

Does it occur to you that we equally have specialists such as:
1. Enzymologists
2. Nutritionists
3. Genetic engineers
4. Molecular biologists
5. Medical biochemists
6. Protein chemists
7. Lipid biochemists
8. Biotechnology

I respect medical doctors but they should also respect others.

Before now, nurses were not regarded and a lot of polictics were in place to make give them their place in Nigeria.

Even Biochemists and microbiologists were treated equally as medical laboratory scientists before politics and interests changed the statues-quo.

National Association of Biochemistry and molecular biology is already pushing it at national assembly and very soon we can fly in all directions.

Onyiridike:

Thank you for the correction on NAfDAC and SON.

OK

Why are you contradicting yourself?

Where's the contradiction

You don't need an M. Sc to become a lecturer in Polytechnics, monotechnics and Colleges of education.

You didn't state this category before I was looking at university but by the way thanks

I assume that you are educated and based on your definition (don't use business dictionary as a standard) who is a professional?

To a lay person a professional is one who's certified to practice a particular profession

Just the way you need an MBBS certificate to work in a hospital as a medical doctor, you equally need a B. Sc Biochemistry to work as a Biochemist even if your job roles entails that you are called a lecturer, research officer, quality control analyst, scientific officer, technologist e.t.c. In a similar way, a medical doctor can be called a medical officer, oncologist, surgeon, gynaecologist, e.t.c.

The only place the job of a Biochemist is defined is lecturing other placement it's advertised with those in Microbiology, food science and SLT and besides have you seen any advert that the word "professional Biochemist" is used to advertise?

Does it occur to you that we equally have specialists such as:
1. Enzymologists
2. Nutritionists
3. Genetic engineers
4. Molecular biologists
5. Medical biochemists
6. Protein chemists
7. Lipid biochemists
8. Biotechnology

These aren't exclusive to Biochemist as it's open to all (Industrial chemistry, doctors, MLS, Biotechnology, Pharmacology, Pharmacists, Nutrition and dietetic and.............Biochemists)

I respect medical doctors but they should also respect others.

Of course they do everyone, is accorded the respect due them

Before now, nurses were not regarded and a lot of polictics were in place to make give them their place in Nigeria.

This is strange, in Nigeria?

Even Biochemists and microbiologists were treated equally as medical laboratory scientists before politics and interests changed the statues-quo.

That was because of the shortage of personnel in the lab then and after they started producing their own graduates, that void has since been filled.It's not politics it's called "The law of Independent assortment" by Gregor Mendel.

National Association of Biochemistry and molecular biology is already pushing it at national assembly and very soon we can fly in all directions.

Until then, I wish you the best hope it won't be DOA as that of Microbiology. All the best dear, you sure are an enlightened mind and I wish you the best #Salut

nelszx:

OK


Where's the contradiction


You didn't state this category before I was looking at university but by the way thanks


To a lay person a professional is one who's certified to practice a particular profession


The only place the job of a Biochemist is defined is lecturing other placement it's advertised with those in Microbiology, food science and SLT and besides have you seen any advert that the word "professional Biochemist" is used to advertise?


These aren't exclusive to Biochemist as it's open to all (Industrial chemistry, doctors, MLS, Biotechnology, Pharmacology, Pharmacists, Nutrition and dietetic and.............Biochemists)


Of course they do everyone, is accorded the respect due them


This is strange, in Nigeria?



That was because of the shortage of personnel in the lab then and after they started producing their own graduates, that void has since been filled.It's not politics it's called "The law of Independent assortment" by Darwin


Until then, I wish you the best hope it won't be DOA as that of Microbiology. All the best dear, you sure are an enlightened mind and I wish you the best #Salut

You are not completely right sir!

Some of those specializations are ONLY open to Biochemists. Also, the role of a Biochemist in an organization cannot be performed by all and sundry.

Onyiridike:


You are not completely right sir!

Some of those specializations are ONLY open to Biochemists. Also, the role of a Biochemist in an organization cannot be performed by all and sundry.

Well the floor is all yours

Enlighten me more on those specializations. I'm very much open to learning

nelszx:


Well the floor is all yours

Enlighten me more on those specializations. I'm very much open to learning

Enzymology, medical Biochemistry and lipid chemistry, Protein Chemistry and analytical Biochemistry are restricted to Biochemists.

Any quality control measure that requires animal trials to investigate the effect of a consumable good on living cells can only be performed by a Biochemist.

In basic research, research that involves the production of industrial raw materials such as enzymes and biochemicals can only be done by a biochemist. Also, the manipulation of genes to solve certain genetic diseases. You can read up the work of Prof. Andrew Jonathan Nok. And many others.

In food industries, Research & Development unit needs the unique knowledge of Biochemistry to improve some products e.g bioactive peptide can now be incorporated into food proteins such that they can be hydrolysed by gastroinstestinal enzymes when consumed. These bioactive peptides has antihypertensive, antidiabetic and antioxidant potentials. In developed countries, foods produced through these process are called "food of the elderly" and are sold at expensive prices. There are many other breakthrough and I can share if you are interested.

Also, in oil companies, only biochemists can use enzyme immobilization techniques to prevent enviromental pollution due to oil spills.

In pharmaceutical industries, only biochemists perform animal trial and also genetically engineer microorganisms to produce certain useful products. They also use the knowledge of enzymology to design drugs that can alter a pathway in organisms that produce an undesirable product which could be responsible for a disease condition. And many others.

I still have many to share but let me stop here for now.

I singlehandedly applied for Biochemistry, I love the course and I want to use my knowledge to solve societal problems.

Onyiridike:


Enzymology, medical Biochemistry and lipid chemistry, Protein Chemistry and analytical Biochemistry are restricted to Biochemists.

Any quality control measure that requires animal trials to investigate the effect of a consumable good on living cells can only be performed by a Biochemist.

In basic research, research that involves the production of industrial raw materials such as enzymes and biochemicals can only be done by a biochemist. Also, the manipulation of genes to solve certain genetic diseases. You can read up the work of Prof. Andrew Jonathan Nok. And many others.

In food industries, Research & Development unit needs the unique knowledge of Biochemistry to improve some products e.g bioactive peptide can now be incorporated into food proteins such that they can be hydrolysed by gastroinstestinal enzymes when consumed. These bioactive peptides has antihypertensive, antidiabetic and antioxidant potentials. In developed countries, foods produced through these process are called "food of the elderly" and are sold at expensive prices. There are many other breakthrough and I can share if you are interested.

Also, in oil companies, only biochemists can use enzyme immobilization techniques to prevent enviromental pollution due to oil spills.

In pharmaceutical industries, only biochemists perform animal trial and also genetically engineer microorganisms to produce certain useful products. They also use the knowledge of enzymology to design drugs that can alter a pathway in organisms that produce an undesirable product which could be responsible for a disease condition. And many others.

I still have many to share but let me stop here for now.

I singlehandedly applied for Biochemistry, I love the course and I want to use my knowledge to solve societal problems.

Alright dear,
I commend you for your post. I need not say more as I'd let this slide though I still have my reservations but that notwithstanding thanks for your time.
Happy Sunday and Eid (whichever you are celebrating)

Jman06:
So much ignorance in your post my dear. If i may ask, where are you working? Lol @no company designs a drug without a biochemist. They are not even needed to design food supplement let alone drugs because pharmacists can do that with much more expertise. Stop looking at those biochemists that got employed in the 90s and early 2000s things av changed now. And yes, biochemists are not professionals because they don't have ethically defined jobs they are licensed to do

asin eh! How can a biochemist design drug when a pharmacist is there. Wel the girl is trying to defend her course which everybody would do

samwise99:



I CAN RELATE THIS....

medsurg students do learn pathology...., it means they will know little on pathology... they won't come and replace medical laboratory scientist because they were taught pathology..


also

medical laboratory science students will learn pharmacology... to know little abt drugs... and not to replace pharmacists........




so make Una continue... the argument is interesting.

nice point

makinson2865:
Agricultural engineering is one of those lucrative jobs both in Nigeria and abroad.u can work as agricultural scientists as well as food science and engineer, u can stil fit in as mechanical engr in some organisation's where fabrication of machines is needed.u can work as biogas and biodieael engr.infact AGE is a wide and versatile discipline. ....I rep AGE...LAUTECH CLASS 09

Oriola and Abegunrin

mrslim1991:
Oriola and Abegunrin

waooo, u must be a ladokite to av known dr oriola and Dr tp abegunrin.which class do u belong to?

makinson2865:
waooo, u must be a ladokite to av known dr oriola and Dr tp abegunrin.which class do u belong to?

yeah, AGE class14

HighIQ:
Welcome, here are some big courses with a potential of rendering those who studied it into a state of regrets.They are big courses. There names sound good to the hearing. But are these big courses really what they claim to be?. Or are their other courses or profession competing with them.? Let take a look at them in MY top 5 listings below.

1) PETROLEUM ENGINEERING: This is a very big course to many. And a lot of people who study this course are potential workers at the oil refineries and oil companies. But after these places where can a petroleum engineer work? Absolute no where! Apart for the fact that these graduates compete with graduates of other engineering courses for the limited vacancies they are equally likely to be ignored since it is a restricted course. Chemical engineering which encompasses major chemistry of engineering including Petroleum engineering are great competitors of these people. It means if a petroleum engineer is unable to get a place in the oil industry or oil company. It may become virtually impossible to get any other job due to its nature of restriction.

2) MASS COMMUNICATION: This course also sound so good but apart from the fact they are only resticted to only the mass media, graduates of English language and other related fields are also strong competitors of these people.

3) BANKING AND FINANCE: This course also sound so beautiful and it can easily attract the.mind of Jamb candidates into studying it. But the fact is that the banking sector is a very open sector to virtually any graduates even the science students and yoruba graduates. So at this time, your been a graduate of Banking and finance won't matter at all. The worst is that you are likely not going to get any Job outside the Banking sector.

4) INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS: Everyone want to be an international man but does the course really profess the name it bears?

5) MEDICAL BIOCHEMISTRY: Even biochemists are highly respected not to talk of a whole Medical Bichemist. But the fact is Medical biochemistry is under Bichemistry and as a result a restricted course. So they are likely to depend only in the hospital for a job. But sadly, graduates of Medical laboratory science have taken over most of their hospitals and likely to be a great competitor or combater of these set of people.

for me I think ur assessment is totally wrong ...there will be always jobs for engineers especially in developing Africa ...mind you petroleum engineering is a combination of both mechanical and chemical engineering...in matters finance I believe you can never lack employment if u have the right knowledge ....same with medicine...actually it's the art related courses that you should be wary of

Me wey study political science nko....? If I tell you my career path now you go laugh jam trailer.......


Word for all students, undergraduates and graduates.. No matter the course you are studying endeavor to get an IT/ICT skill..... No talk say you no hear.

hmm!! Please dudes just tel me d areas/companies in whc bsc/phd physiology can work in naija,though dey may be limited as u pple have stated earlier.thanks

esivue007:
hmm!! Please dudes just tel me d areas/companies in whc bsc/phd physiology can work in naija,though dey may be limited as u pple have stated earlier.thanks

hospital mortuary

INTERMAN:
hospital mortuary

mortuary? So no company @ all in naija for any physiology graduate ni?

The really unfortunate thing is these are courses that are hard AF
and you finish years of suffering and paying money and you cannot find job to eat
it is truly very sad



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Stay away from
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Mathematics
History
Guidance and counseling
Banking and finance
Psychology
English
All language (foreign oo, village oo)
Zoology
Vet Medicine
Religious studies
Philosophy
Anatomy
Parasitology
Anthropology
Biochemistry, Microbiology, Chemistry
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what is mathematics doing there, are you trying to compare maths with all those courses. have you ever met a jobless maths graduate before

headboyprince:
what is mathematics doing there, are you trying to compare maths with all those courses. have you ever met a jobless maths graduate before

I wonder o,.. the guy doesn't know that Mathematics is a hotcake,..
Undergraduates in Mathematics pls work hard, u will never regret staying maths.